| I mean it depends on your age and the age of the waifu, like if I'm 16 and into a 15 year old that doesn't mean I have an issue. |
 My biggest regret: Reading all 200+ chapters of Kanojo, Okarishimasu |
Meusnier said: Opticflash said: I was not thinking of any mathematical analogue when using any terms during the discussion. Regardless of whether you believe I have misused any terminology, it should be clear what the ideas of the discussion were around. "Morals & Law" is a separate topic to how some people are attracted to lolis but not necessarily real life children, and I was discussing the latter. I see, but this usage seemed slightly odd to me since no one argued that such a univalent correspondence between those two categories of physical attraction (fictional and real) existed. In posts #84 and #95, you simply stated this non-existence reason, and if you elaborated more in post #90, you still repeated this statement and tried arguing about possibilities and borderline possible counter-examples (in the first paragraph: "Can we disregard the idea..."). And if I get it right, what a lot of people are stating here is that there is a strong dependence between what one likes in fiction (where more inhibitions disappear, and this is why I spoke about "Morals & Law;" think of Redo and of all the deluded individuals who thought that enjoying this show and not finding a good number of scenes disturbing did not say anything about themselves... Eventually, it all boils down to the sophistry "fiction has no influence on reality" made by the illiterates and those afraid of possible censorship who confuse critique and prohibition) and reality, and I am bewildered to see that you did not acknowledge that. My usage of one-to-one was to dispute those claims of "liking lolis makes you a pedophile"; there were a few who outright said this and my phrasing was to suggest that the (seemingly "obvious", at a glance) connection between liking the two (lolis and real life children) is not so straightforward, and the claim has little merit at best. See posts #36 or #85 for instance. The bolded is more or less within reason, however it is important to distinguish between what some people actually like about lolis (their characteristics, that are not exclusive to children) and real life children (they do not even look anything alike aside from their size). If anything, loli fandom only suggests a niche market for people who may have preferences for petite women, or virgin women, or women with "cute" facial features or mannerisms. Although there were one or two people who did not explicitly claim that liking lolis makes one a pedophile (see the careful phrasing in #58 - "... then you are turned on by characteristics of a prepubescent or early pubescent child."), but I highly doubt petiteness in women or the like was the angle they were going for. Likely they, and most people, were only trying to shame lolicons and have readers believe that being a lolicon means one must also be (or have a very high probability of also being) sexually attracted to real life children. |
OpticflashNov 21, 2021 11:32 AM
SeproDep said: Sexuality is not strictly related to what genitals a person has, but more an overall sense of femininity/masculinity. LostSpectre said: How on earth is a man liking dick not gay?That's not even remotely true, bisexual means an attraction to men, not whether you think dick girls are hot. |
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| It's fine to have a loli waifu, it's fiction. |
Meusnier said: Well, I like Redo because it's hilarious, you don't actually expect me to be disturbed by that fucking edgy 14 yr old shit do you? I do get your overall point, if you like loli in a sexual way, you most likely are into women who look 13, but there's nothing wrong with that nor is capacity of attraction to a "child-like" body even noteworthy outside the scope of true pedophilia, as long as it's not real or it's an adult, it's as irrelevant as any other fetish. Opticflash said: I was not thinking of any mathematical analogue when using any terms during the discussion. Regardless of whether you believe I have misused any terminology, it should be clear what the ideas of the discussion were around. "Morals & Law" is a separate topic to how some people are attracted to lolis but not necessarily real life children, and I was discussing the latter. I see, but this usage seemed slightly odd to me since no one argued that such a univalent correspondence between those two categories of physical attraction (fictional and real) existed. In posts #84 and #95, you simply stated this non-existence reason, and if you elaborated more in post #90, you still repeated this statement and tried arguing about possibilities and borderline possible counter-examples (in the first paragraph: "Can we disregard the idea..."). And if I get it right, what a lot of people are stating here is that there is a strong dependence between what one likes in fiction (where more inhibitions disappear, and this is why I spoke about "Morals & Law;" think of Redo and of all the deluded individuals who thought that enjoying this show and not finding a good number of scenes disturbing did not say anything about themselves... Eventually, it all boils down to the sophistry "fiction has no influence on reality" made by the illiterates and those afraid of possible censorship who confuse critique and prohibition) and reality, and I am bewildered to see that you did not acknowledge that. |
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Remocracy said: A loli refers to a small body type, they look 13 or under or so, but it doesn't matter what their canonical age is. I mean it depends on your age and the age of the waifu, like if I'm 16 and into a 15 year old that doesn't mean I have an issue. |
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ChizuruFan23 said: I don't think you would talk to your parents about the kinds of porn your into, doesn't mean anything. Ayashimon said: it's totally ok if it's only 2d if you actually like real children in that way get some help I wouldn't call it totally ok, but its no where near as bad as if you liked children in real life. Like you wouldn't tell your parents you like lolis would you? |
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Chiorashi-kun said: I can give you a lot more in depth answers, but here's the cliff notes version.Sexuality isn't something you choose, is it? At one point in life, you just kind of realize your attractions differ from what is common or accepted. If you're a working adult, dedicating their spare time to their hobby (anime), chances are you won't run into children that much. So, if you find out that you find sexual depictions of lolis attractive, how could you know for certain that this goes for real life children as well? You could do 'research', but sexuality doesn't equal morality: I'm sure most lolicons (with a right upbringing) would rightfully be disgusted by the thought of doing this 'research'. This means, I think, that a lot of lolicons are probably uncertain about this. And so they just hope that their attraction is exclusive to anime, and can you blame them? Most societies, for good reasons, condemn pedophilia, meaning that, if given the choice, most want to believe they're 'not that kind of person'. But this brings me to my starting point: every pedophile once believed they weren't one. You only fully realize you're homosexual once you've repeatedly fallen in love with the opposite sex. (Quick disclaimer: I'm not arguing that most lolicons are in fact pedophiles without knowing it, I only think that most understandably refuse to ascertain it.) This is a very risky move here, but I might as well use myself as an example for further illustration. I find Renge from Non Non Biyori very adorable (who doesn't?), but the mere thought of sexualizing her utterly disgusts me. But when I watched Shoujo Ramune, I was... not disgusted? In fact, you could say it, well, y'know, did its job... And so I thought, and still think, to myself: what the hell is going on?! Is it because Renge is sympathetically characterized as an innocent child with distinct personality traits, whereas the lolis in Shoujo Ramune are presented from the get-go as soulless sexualised objects? I honestly couldn't tell you, as I've been in this state of confusion for some years now and don't expect it to be resolved anytime soon. It is a major contribution to the self-hatred I regularly experience. Basically, what I'm trying to say here, is that the debate surrounding 'to be or not to be a lolicon and pedophile' isn't just confronting and discomforting to 'normal' people. Having your sexual orientation not align with your moral compass, can lead to a fragmented self, an identity crisis, self-hatred, and all the other 'good stuff'... You know if you're a real pedophile, there's no ambiguity here. A pedophile feels significantly more attraction to young (prepubescent) children than sexually mature adults. If you're "normally" aroused by sexual maturity, wider hips, thicker thighs, fuller rounded butts, and cup size breasts, then it's extremely unlikely you can be a genuine pedophile. There's also a massive difference between how we relate to sexuality with humans compared to a stylized piece of art, I find loli art attractive for many reasons that are purely unique to anime stylization, and my attraction to the body of a cartoon is not directly comparable to that of a human being, I enjoy flat chests much more in hentai than when it comes to people. I think your example is completely normal. I don't typically enjoy sexualizing characters that I'm fond of, and I'm not just talking about loli. It's certainly easier to sexualize loli if they're soulless sex objects, and there's nothing wrong with that in the context of fiction. Personally, I ignore that a loli is underage, as it's just not important to me, they don't exist in any true sense. I can see why people think this is something horribly twisted, but many people are uninterested in their actual "age", and don't necessarily even relate to wanting to rape a loli in the same way as sexually abusing a human child, because again, they literally don't exist. Plus, it's not even considered rape unless it's non-consensual, underage people can consent to sex in fictional porn, because porn is fantasy, not reality See, bottom line, people are insanely paranoid about "pedophiles", so lolicon gets blown out of proportion, but the reality of being fetishistically attracted to a female entity that looks underage or lacks mature sexual development, is barely interesting in terms of porn/fetish, and if something like rape is just an "accepted" fantasy element, then so are sexual depictions of unrealistic cartoon "children", to think otherwise is just sheer hypocrisy. Leaving aside that the majority of loli hentai features sexually mature loli's, and not "children" it's just such a stupid argument, imagine arguing that a person is more of a pedophile for being attracted to smaller sexual features and not oversized tits and ass, of all the twisted fetishes out there, a fictional/stylized prepubescent female is really going to be the worst of them? Even though, the most egregious element, her being innocent/underage, is actually fabrication? No. The problem is that paranoia robs these people of rational thought, they're incapable or unwilling to understand that lolicon can just be a "normal" fetish. |
LostSpectreNov 21, 2021 1:05 PM
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LostSpectre said: You'd say that but a lot of people consider Megumin a loli for exampleRemocracy said: A loli refers to a small body type, they look 13 or under or so, but it doesn't matter what their canonical age is. I mean it depends on your age and the age of the waifu, like if I'm 16 and into a 15 year old that doesn't mean I have an issue. |
My biggest regret: Reading all 200+ chapters of Kanojo, Okarishimasu |
Akira_____ said: As you all know there's alot people with different perspectives on this topic and not everyone has to disagree or agree with me. As for me considering a loli charecter as a waifu , thinking that she's cute and all that stuff seems okay as I don't even have to compare or relate this to real life because at the end they are all 2d charecters that I love watching . Yes it is okay op don't worry about it. There is nothing wrong with it :D |
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| you fuckers need some serious help jesus christ |
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Remocracy said: I mean it depends on your age and the age of the waifu, like if I'm 16 and into a 15 year old that doesn't mean I have an issue. When we refer to age range, OP isn't talking about teens since lolis and teens are different. Lolis are under 13. Remocracy said: LostSpectre said: You'd say that but a lot of people consider Megumin a loli for exampleA loli refers to a small body type, they look 13 or under or so, but it doesn't matter what their canonical age is. Adult lolis exist too. |
NurguburuNov 21, 2021 4:04 PM
| All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
Nurguburu said: There is no such thing as an "adult loli", that's called a "petite person".Remocracy said: I mean it depends on your age and the age of the waifu, like if I'm 16 and into a 15 year old that doesn't mean I have an issue. When we refer to age range, OP isn't talking about teens since lolis and teens are different. Lolis are under 13. Remocracy said: You'd say that but a lot of people consider Megumin a loli for example Adult lolis exist too. |
My biggest regret: Reading all 200+ chapters of Kanojo, Okarishimasu |
Remocracy said: Megumin looks all of 13, so I would say that checks out. LostSpectre said: You'd say that but a lot of people consider Megumin a loli for exampleA loli refers to a small body type, they look 13 or under or so, but it doesn't matter what their canonical age is. |
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| Yes. Anyone who disagrees is simply misguided and must be pitied. |
LostSpectre said: But she's canonically 15, also you really can't tell the difference between a 13 year old and a 15 year old girl in most animes.Remocracy said: Megumin looks all of 13, so I would say that checks out. You'd say that but a lot of people consider Megumin a loli for example |
My biggest regret: Reading all 200+ chapters of Kanojo, Okarishimasu |
Remocracy said: You could say a loli looks to be under 13, by "normal" standards, but it's just how they look, not their given age, or we wouldn't have the whole "she's actually 1,000" nonsense that antis never stop repeating. As for an "adult" loli yes that exists, but we're obviously talking about anime, and not people. No one should refer to a person as a loli. Nurguburu said: There is no such thing as an "adult loli", that's called a "petite person".When we refer to age range, OP isn't talking about teens since lolis and teens are different. Lolis are under 13. Adult lolis exist too. |
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LostSpectre said: No one should refer to a person as a loli. Very true. Comparing a loli to a real person is equal to comparing God to a real person. Who would be so bold to insult such majestic, perfect beings that exist only in the imaginations of the righteous? |
| [quote=Remocracy message=64993008] LostSpectre said: I would say it's easily more reasonable for her to look 13 over 15, but it's not an exact science. Remocracy said: Megumin looks all of 13, so I would say that checks out. You'd say that but a lot of people consider Megumin a loli for example |
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Trashtaste1 said: That's one reason I have to really scoff at all the pedophile fearmongering, even the most model worthy children can't compete with loli perfection. LostSpectre said: No one should refer to a person as a loli. Very true. Comparing a loli to a real person is equal to comparing God to a real person. Who would be so bold to insult such majestic, perfect beings that exist only in the imaginations of the righteous? |
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| its a drawing bro, of course lol MEOW |
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| sure people will tell you it's fine because it's just a drawing but uhm the fact that you asked this probably gives you enough of a reason to probably not? it's still creepy |
   "i tried to drown an 8 year old once" - @marinara-sauce バンの一味 |
| Of course it's okay, I have many in my collection already and I shall accumulate plenty more. |
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| do you need the approval of others? personally think it's kinda disgusting but at the same time i'd rather it's something out of a cartoon than actually diddling kids irl |
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Plecsius said: It's a problem that you think there's any relation to begin with, it's like implying someone hates women if they like rape porn. do you need the approval of others? personally think it's kinda disgusting but at the same time i'd rather it's something out of a cartoon than actually diddling kids irl |
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| i don't think it is a problem if you don't love them in a sexual way... i mean.. its a child.. many people have different opinions and this is mine. My favorite anime character is a loli btw (Kanna from dragon maid) but its because she is so cute that i want to hug her everytime and i love her design (i also rlly love dragons). But sometimes i feel awkward when i say that a loli is my fav anime character but i dont like her in a sexual way so i think its fine x( |
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| Sure, in real life it's fine, as long you are real and she is fictional. In the fictional world it's also fine, as long as she is either several hundred or several thousand years old. |
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| if it doesn't affect anyone and makes you happy it's the most important |
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| Technically, yeah, since you're not hurting anyone irl, but it's still really gross and puts a bad taste in my mouth. |
Take care of yourself |
| It's not illegal if nobody finds out |
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BigMac7 said: Yes! I agree with this, its not a crime but its just insanly creepy and weird, almost like a masochist, not a crime but creepy and weird as fuckDoes it make you a pedophile? NO, because they're not real afterall. Does it make you creepy? YES, because you're not disgusted by the thought of seeing 8-12 year old characters in a sexualised manner. |
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| I mean liking traps are gay, so liking a loli means ur a pedophile |
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LostSpectre said: uuuuh you know being bisexual means ur attracted to both genders, not just men right? Lol the I.Q in this forumSeproDep said: That's not even remotely true, bisexual means an attraction to men, not whether you think dick girls are hot.I like futa. I've admitted to being bisexual multiple times because I like women and dicks. Enjoying futa makes you bisexual. Therefore, liking loli makes you a pedophile. I have no idea what's so hard to understand about this. |
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Moltenc said: I mean liking traps are gay, so liking a loli means ur a pedophile Liking traps is not gay at all. It is what a straight or bisexual man would be interested in. Moltenc said: LostSpectre said: uuuuh you know being bisexual means ur attracted to both genders, not just men right? Lol the I.Q in this forumThat's not even remotely true, bisexual means an attraction to men, not whether you think dick girls are hot. Imagine critiquing someone's IQ while simultaneously starting off with "uuuuh" and using "ur". They obviously meant bisexual as in also being sexually attracted to men. |
Kuroi_Black said: Are you sure something isn't wrong with you for treating a non-realistic cartoon depiction of a human like it's actually a fucking human? Imagine thinking someone is weird because they find a character attractive who has the body of a porn star, but because of their entirely made up and fictional age, it's somehow supposed to be creepy and disgusting, instead of ya know, you ignoring their age like a normal person, because they have no age, they don't fucking exist. lolThreads like this make me absolutely ashamed to be a part of this community. I don't know why you people think because they're fictional characters, that makes it ok to have an attraction to them. That's abnormal and disgusting. I don't understand why you guys can't just go for grown women, animated or not. If you prefer a loli over a grown women, then yes you are a weirdo and yes you are a pedophile. If you're attracted to depictioins of underaged girls, then somethings clearly wrong with you. It's stuff like this that gives the anime community a bad rep... Oh, and there's nothing abnormal about being attracted to loli as a fetish, if anything, it's painfully ordinary. |
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Moltenc said: Liking traps isn't gay, though. Guess that means I don't have to respond the rest of your false equivalence.I mean liking traps are gay, so liking a loli means ur a pedophile |
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boyboss said: Are you sure something isn't wrong with you for treating a non-realistic cartoon depiction of a human like it's actually a fucking human? Imagine thinking someone is weird because they find a character attractive who has the body of a porn star, but because of their entirely made up and fictional age, it's somehow supposed to be creepy and disgusting, instead of ya know, you ignoring their age like a normal person, because they have no age, they don't fucking exist. lolI'm not the ultimate authority of what is or isn't "okay," but I personally find it very creepy and choose not to associate with anyone who is openly attracted to loli or shota, regardless of whether the character is over 18 in canon. I also find it off-putting when other adults are into high school age characters who aren't specifically intended to look super young. It's obviously not a real child, there's no "victim" per se (though it could be argued that it perpetuates harmful ideas), but it's art meant to represent a child, and no amount of back-and-forth circular debates and semantics can change that. Oh, and there's nothing abnormal about being attracted to loli as a fetish, if anything, it's painfully ordinary. |
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Kuroi_Black said: LostSpectre said: Are you sure something isn't wrong with you for treating a non-realistic cartoon depiction of a human like it's actually a fucking human? Imagine thinking someone is weird because they find a character attractive who has the body of a porn star, but because of their entirely made up and fictional age, it's somehow supposed to be creepy and disgusting, instead of ya know, you ignoring their age like a normal person, because they have no age, they don't fucking exist. lol Oh, and there's nothing abnormal about being attracted to loli as a fetish, if anything, it's painfully ordinary. I was specifically talking about lolis. Not characters that look like grown women, but are actually kids. Yes, you are abnormal if you're attracted to lolis and you should seek help immediately. You're not going to convince me otherwise, so you might as well stop trying to argue with me about this. It is unfortunate that society is beginning to shame less and less those actions seemed as "abnormal" or "weird" (e.g., LGBT movements, a person with an 'emo' appearance, a woman embracing a 'masculine' role, a man acting or dressing feminine, various kinks or fetishes, etc.), isn't it? |
| It is probably ok. There is nothing wrong at all with simply having loli waifus. As long as it begins and ends there. Don't do anything else concerning loli waifus other than "having" loli waifus and you will be fine. |
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Kuroi_Black said: Opticflash said: It is unfortunate that society is beginning to shame less and less those actions seemed as "abnormal" or "weird" (e.g., LGBT movements, a person with an 'emo' appearance, a woman embracing a 'masculine' role, a man acting or dressing feminine, various kinks or fetishes, etc.), isn't it? Except none of those are abnormal or weird If you went back only a few decades, they'd be considered very abnormal or weird in a country like the United States. Many gays and whatnot would be ostracized, and some would even cry while coming out to their bigoted parents today. Transgender women are frequently assaulted and murdered to this day. A woman who does not want to bear children? A disgrace to womanhood in many conservative communities. A man wearing a crop top and skirt in public? An effeminate, gay pervert. Many of these are very weird, only seen as less weird over time. |
Kuroi_Black said: You're still wrong whether I can convince you or not. Loli is barely interesting compared to all the really weird shit out there. lolLostSpectre said: Are you sure something isn't wrong with you for treating a non-realistic cartoon depiction of a human like it's actually a fucking human? Imagine thinking someone is weird because they find a character attractive who has the body of a porn star, but because of their entirely made up and fictional age, it's somehow supposed to be creepy and disgusting, instead of ya know, you ignoring their age like a normal person, because they have no age, they don't fucking exist. lol Oh, and there's nothing abnormal about being attracted to loli as a fetish, if anything, it's painfully ordinary. I was specifically talking about lolis. Not characters that look like grown women, but are actually kids. Yes, you are abnormal if you're attracted to lolis and you should seek help immediately. You're not going to convince me otherwise, so you might as well stop trying to argue with me about this. |
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Pibix said: A loli would make a great pocket pussy, but I guess that's not necessarily a "waifu" thing, so I digress. Yeah its fine, as long as you define waifu as "must protecc" and not your "desires" to them. |
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LostSpectre said: Lol this man trolling (Character Limit)Pibix said: A loli would make a great pocket pussy, but I guess that's not necessarily a "waifu" thing, so I digress. Yeah its fine, as long as you define waifu as "must protecc" and not your "desires" to them. |
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| "Waifu is a term for a fictional character, usually in anime or related media, that someone has great, and sometimes romantic, affection for." That is the definition of a Waifu - you will notice "sometimes romantic" which means that saying any female character is a waifu does not necessarily mean you are looking at them as sexual, it can just mean that they are a character who you admire as a person and have a connection to in some form. And when it comes to Lolis, many of them are well written and you can respect as characters so if you can admire them that would mean that they are in fact "A waifu" |
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