| @Zapredon I do agree that rating influenced viewership. But, there's a certain type of anime that a certain group of viewer avoids. Only because a show have a high rating, doesn't mean everyone will give it a try. LotGH may have a high rating, yet it has a low amount of people who have completed it. But well, maybe because it's old and has 110 episodes. Then, take Ping Pong the Animation for example, it has a high rating (rank 48) and only 10 episodes, yet it has only 104k members (rank 574). Another reason why people don't try it is because it's artstyle. Basically, there's a group who avoid old show, a group who avoid long runner show, a group who avoid "bad looking" artstyle or character design. And surely there's a group who avoid a certain type of anime such as CGDCT, Mecha, Romance and so on. I don't deny the influence of rating towards general popularity. But rating may have nothing to do with the popularity of a certain type of anime among a certain group who generally avoid them. Just because LotGH has a high rating, doesn't mean people who avoid long running show will try it. And just because Ping Pong has a high rating, doesn't mean people who avoid "bad looking" artstyle or character design will try it. Then why are CG popular even among non mecha fans or people who generally avoid mecha? Regarding Blue Gender and RnL. Yes their popularity may have something to do with their rating. But I was talking about popularity among non mecha fans or people who avoid mecha. I don't think the amount of non mecha fans watched Blue Gender as much as non mecha fans who watched RnL. |
Kurniawan_KtrFeb 25, 2017 11:55 PM
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: @Zapredon I do agree that rating influenced viewership. But, there's a certain type of anime that a certain group of viewer avoids. Only because a show have a high rating, doesn't mean everyone will give it a try. LotGH may have a high rating, yet it has a low amount of people who have completed it. But well, maybe because it's old and has 110 episodes. Then, take Ping Pong the Animation for example, it has a high rating (rank 48) and only 10 episodes, yet it has only 104k members (rank 574). Another reason why people don't try it is because it's artstyle. Basically, there's a group who avoid old show, a group who avoid long runner show, a group who avoid "bad looking" artstyle or character design. And surely there's a group who avoid a certain type of anime such as CGDCT, Mecha, Romance and so on. I don't deny the influence of rating towards general popularity. But rating may have nothing to do with the popularity of a certain type of anime among a certain group who generally avoid them. Just because LotGH has a high rating, doesn't mean people who avoid long running show will try it. And just because Ping Pong has a high rating, doesn't mean people who avoid "bad looking" artstyle or character design will try it. Then why are CG popular even among non mecha fans or people who generally avoid mecha? Regarding Blue Gender and RnL. Yes their popularity may have something to do with their rating. But I was talking about popularity among non mecha fans or people who avoid mecha. I don't think the amount of non mecha fans watched Blue Gender as much as non mecha fans who watched RnL. Genre is usually more tolerable than different/old animation style. That is why people can still watch modern day highly rated mecha anime. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: But, there's a certain type of anime that a certain group of viewer avoids. Only because a show have a high rating, doesn't mean everyone will give it a try. LotGH may have a high rating, yet it has a low amount of people who have completed it. But well, maybe because it's old and has 110 episodes. Then, take Ping Pong the Animation for example, it has a high rating (rank 48) and only 10 episodes, yet it has only 104k members (rank 574). These two anime are "elitist" stuff. Their ratings are so high only because they have narrow appeal and most people avoid them. It's easier to lure people into watching Lain, that's why it has only 7.99 score (#547 rank), with 226,298 members. In the end, understanding what people are watching and what they like is a full-time job. Pman1994 said: Kurniawan_Ktr said: @flannan I do agree that waifuism is not the focus of anime that featuring giant robots, but how do you know that its not the reason for it's popularity among non-mecha fans or people who normally avoid mecha? I bet, if there's a mecha anime with loli characters as main characters, many CGDCT fans will like it, even though they normally don't like mecha. there was a show that aired in 2016 that was like that, it aired in summer, it was called regalia the three sacred stars. but the problems with that show, are many and obvious despite that the show actually has arguably cool mecha fight scenes such as very boring one note characters, a plot thats generic monster of the week affair, terrible dialogue, and a production cycle while it was airing that was so bad they had to stop airing episodes for 2 months after episode 4 aired to fix them, So, I have just watched Regalia. It's pretty good if you're watching it when it's complete, like me. As a fan of CGDCT, I would say it's not really satisfying in this regard. It's more "cute girls shouldering all the responsibility in the world", and not relaxing at all! It is, however, very moe. |
MiziTami said: no, it's lesbo masterpiece with glorious character, plot and PLOTGangsterCat said: everyone should watch CROSS ANGE, the BEST MECHA ANIME EVER MADE Isn't CA that one censored lesbo trash anime that came out last year? |
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MiziTami said: GangsterCat said: no, it's lesbo masterpiece with glorious character, plot and PLOT But it was censored :/ .......................... Thank anime gods for uncensored DVD releases and fansubs that update to that version of the video! |
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MiziTami said: GangsterCat said: everyone should watch CROSS ANGE, the BEST MECHA ANIME EVER MADE Isn't CA that one censored lesbo trash anime that came out last year? Damn, you did a better job at advertising it than the fans. *Adds CA to his Plan to Watch* |
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| @Zapredon That's a good point and also make sense to me. But still, rating alone can't determine people who generally avoid mecha will try a certain mecha anime or not, especially among non mecha fans or people who avoid mecha. Since they are mostly casual watcher who care alot about visual, and I think good looking (female) character is one of factor that could influenced them. @flannan well, my point was not (only) about why those shows have a high rating. But, despite they have a high rating, why a certain group of viewer still avoid them? If rating influencing people who generally avoid such show to try them, or in other words rating influences viewership among people who generally avoid them, it will make sense if they have a high amount of viewer. That's right that they may have narrow appeal and most people avoid them despite their rating. It shows that the rating they have doesn't influence people who avoid them to give them a try. Or in short, rating (most likely) doesn't influence viewership among people who avoid those shows. |
Kurniawan_KtrFeb 26, 2017 10:35 AM
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
flannan said: Thank anime gods for uncensored DVD releases and fansubs that update to that version of the video! The nipples were still lacking, it was weird. Budget or something about Japan that i'm missing? |
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| hit or maybe ? for example like ttgl and eureka. i feel like ttgl and eureka are more enjoyable to watch. maybe it depends on the story itself. |
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| Im a big fan of mecha and I love them, my favorite show is Code Geass |
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Johnnyd3rp said: flannan said: Thank anime gods for uncensored DVD releases and fansubs that update to that version of the video! The nipples were still lacking, it was weird. Budget or something about Japan that i'm missing? I haven't yet seen the show myself. But a number of mangaka just draw breasts without any nipples, and it seems to work. For example, Ken Akamatsu, author of Love Hina and Negima. |
flannan said: Johnnyd3rp said: The nipples were still lacking, it was weird. Budget or something about Japan that i'm missing? I haven't yet seen the show myself. But a number of mangaka just draw breasts without any nipples, and it seems to work. For example, Ken Akamatsu, author of Love Hina and Negima. I've never read a manga where the nipples aren't shown, i thought it was something more common in the anime medium since i've seen it only there. I find it weird anyway, especially in an ecchi show. |
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Kurniawan_Ktr said: @Zapredon That's a good point and also make sense to me. But still, rating alone can't determine people who generally avoid mecha will try a certain mecha anime or not, especially among non mecha fans or people who avoid mecha. Since they are mostly casual watcher who care alot about visual, and I think good looking (female) character is one of factor that could influenced them. Rating is good enough. How did anime viewers know there are waifu material if they didn't watch it in the first place. It's only because they see high rating,only then they watch it. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Zapredon said: How did anime viewers know there are waifu material if they didn't watch it in the first place. By how good looking (design) they are? |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
| what if they are casual anime watchers who mainly watch mecha? ever though of that? |
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Kurniawan_Ktr said: Zapredon said: How did anime viewers know there are waifu material if they didn't watch it in the first place. By how good looking (design) they are? They still need to watch it if they want to know how good looking they are,only then they can find out. Also, in order to become waifu material, they must have the personality viewers expect from waifu, and they can only learn this by watching it. |
ZapredonFeb 26, 2017 10:19 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| @Zapredon People liking an anime character for different reason. Even though personality is what is matter in the end for (maybe) majority of us, at the first sight, it's the visual aspect of character (design) that provokes people's emotion. Also, People don't need to watch the anime to know how the characters looks like (design). People can look at their pictures. |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: @Zapredon People liking an anime character for different reason. Even though personality is what is matter in the end for (maybe) majority of us, at the first sight, it's the visual aspect of character (design) that provokes people's emotion. Also, People don't need to watch the anime to know how the characters looks like (design). People can look at their pictures. In that case, then how come Blue Gender got so little views. They can also look at pictures of Marlene Angel and decided to watch it. Same can also be said for Rinne no Lagrange. Then there's also Evangelion. |
ZapredonFeb 27, 2017 2:22 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Well i never really got into code geas snd so i just hate every mecha anime. |
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Yourlolm said: Well i never really got into code geas snd so i just hate every mecha anime. Wow, that's a really absurd generalization! What makes you think Code Geass is in any way representative of mecha anime in general? For example, I expect it to be completely unlike Tengen Toppa Gurenn Lagann. Kurniawan_Ktr said: @Zapredon People liking an anime character for different reason. Even though personality is what is matter in the end for (maybe) majority of us, at the first sight, it's the visual aspect of character (design) that provokes people's emotion. Also, People don't need to watch the anime to know how the characters looks like (design). People can look at their pictures. Let's see. Kantai Collection takes up about 50% of *booru-style imageboards. (The other 50% are taken up by Touhou, and there is that girl from a sci-fi game who tries to carve out a niche for herself) Which suggests everybody has seen their pictures, and learned of how waifu the warship girls are. Yet Kancolle the anime has only 107,680 members and 977 favorites (rating 7.04). By the way, the girls's favorites are 892/283/157/123 among the four girls which are on the series' main page. I wonder if they're sorted by the number of favorites. Anyway, I guess this show is watched for waifus. |
flannanFeb 26, 2017 11:33 PM
MiziTami said: GangsterCat said: everyone should watch CROSS ANGE, the BEST MECHA ANIME EVER MADE Isn't CA that one censored lesbo trash anime that came out last year? NOW I'm a little motivated! At least, motivated to pick this series up. |
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| @Zapredon @flannan I think I have explained why I categorized mecha watcher into 3 categories. Having a waifu doesn't mean a mecha show will be popular among general viewer, or among non mecha fan or people who generally avoid mecha (even though it can be an explanation factor for a certain mecha's popularity). "Blue Gender have a good looking waifu, yet it's not popular. RnL have three waifus yet it has the amount of member similar to Blue Gender. Kancolle's characters are so popular yet it only has . . . . This anime have so many waifus, they should be popular if your theory was true" Again, not all of mecha show seen by the same group of people. And my hypothesis is non mecha fans are watching mecha for waifu. Not that mecha that have waifu will be popular among them. Also, being a factor doesn't mean it's the only factor. There are so many factors that could be influenced popularity. It's not as simple as "it has god-tier waifus, it must be popular" or "it has a high rating, it must be popular". When I was saying waifus influencing a certain mechas' popularity among non mecha fans, I don't deny the existence of other factors. I even never claim waifus as the best explanation of mecha popularity among non mecha fans. Surely, there's a factor that could explain popularity better than others, but it's unknown, until someone conduct a serious research regarding popularity of mecha show among non mecha fans. |
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
Kurniawan_Ktr said: @Zapredon @flannan I think I have explained why I categorized mecha watcher into 3 categories. Having a waifu doesn't mean a mecha show will be popular among general viewer, or among non mecha fan or people who generally avoid mecha (even though it can be an explanation factor for a certain mecha's popularity). "Blue Gender have a good looking waifu, yet it's not popular. RnL have three waifus yet it has the amount of member similar to Blue Gender. Kancolle's characters are so popular yet it only has . . . . This anime have so many waifus, they should be popular if your theory was true" Again, not all of mecha show seen by the same group of people. And my hypothesis is non mecha fans are watching mecha for waifu. Not that mecha that have waifu will be popular among them. Also, being a factor doesn't mean it's the only factor. There are so many factors that could be influenced popularity. It's not as simple as "it has god-tier waifus, it must be popular" or "it has a high rating, it must be popular". When I was saying waifus influencing a certain mechas' popularity among non mecha fans, I don't deny the existence of other factors. I even never claim waifus as the best explanation of mecha popularity among non mecha fans. Surely, there's a factor that could explain popularity better than others, but it's unknown, until someone conduct a serious research regarding popularity of mecha show among non mecha fans. Where is your evidence that they are not seen by same group of people and what are the factor that influence which group of people watching certain mecha anime? |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| @Zapredon Then do you think they are seen by the same group of viewer? How about the proportion of those group? Do you believe the amount or proportion of mecha fan or other group of people who watch Blue Gender and RnL are the same?. Only by looking at the cover, Blue Gender has many differences from RnL. Since everyone has a preferences, the more differences a certain anime has than others, the higher the probability they are seen by different group of viewers. |
Kurniawan_KtrFeb 28, 2017 1:20 AM
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
| I think because the mecha genre doesn't take a ton of risks and follows the same generic formula. Untrained, immature teenage male MC somehow gets tied into war-type plot/jumps into a giant robot and starts fighting people/takes the moral stance of using their own power to end the war through fighting/ultimately grows into a badass pilot that kicks a lot of ass by the end. Wash, rinse, repeat. Now, I know that not every mecha anime follows this sort of formula...*cough cough* Cross Ange *cough cough* Kannazuki no Miko *cough* However, I think it's become a genre well renowned enough where people have a general idea of what they are going to get even before giving the show a chance. Personally, I think there are some really good mecha anime out there and some not-so-good. The one positive thing I can say about the genre is even when I do watch a show, no matter how "bad it is, it certainly doesn't fail to entertain. |
| Most of them are just really fucking boring to me. There are some exceptions though. Code Geass, Evangelion. The newest Gundam anime Iron blooded Orphans is really good. Most of the Gundam animes that I have watched were really boring to me. However Iron Blooded Orphans does a very good job of pulling you in. I recommend it to both anime veterans, and casuals. *edit* TTGL is also the shit. Alot of mecha anime are guilty of looking rather dull, but this series has more of an out there art style. Zoids was decent too. |
astrozombie84Feb 27, 2017 10:55 PM
Kurniawan_Ktr said: @Zapredon Then do you think they are seen by the same group of viewer? How about the proportion of those group? Do you believe the amount or proportion of mecha fan or other group of people who watch Blue Gender and RnL are the same?. Only by looking at the cover, Blue Gender has many differences from RnL. Since everyone has a preferences, the more differences a certain anime has than others, the higher the probability they are seen by different group of viewers. If cover pictures make difference, then why does Blue Gender has lesser members than Code Geass or why RnL has lesser members than Code Geass. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
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