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Jan 12, 2018 1:00 AM
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I don't understand why everyone is using the manga as a basis of everything that makes this show good or bad, an adaptation doesn't have to stick purely to the original material and just because it changed many things from the original, it doesn't mean that it's inherently worse. Not to mention the manga Crybaby originated from is literally 40 years old. Introducing the story to an entirely new audience, changes need to be made. I came into Crybaby completely fresh, I don't care what happened in the original manga, this is its own series and it should be taken as such.

Despite saying that, honestly, I don't understand why everyone is calling this when it's a masterpiece when it's clearly far from it. I had a lot of problems with the first 5 episodes of this anime: no character development whatsoever, the lack of a distinct plot, multiple plot holes, the insane amount of unnecessary nudity... however, all of this seemed to be resolved within the second half, which I actually really enjoyed.

I don't understand why half of the sexual content in this show was even necessary. Miko masturbating to the thought of Akira, along with a scene of her being raped which was never touched upon again..? What?? This was clearly meant to have some significance, since it was brought up again when Mayuta asked if she had a neighbor with some weird loud pet, which was just herself apparently because of the donkey braying. None of this had any point. I can only ask why? Silene's... existence, too. I expected her to play a much greater role than she actually did in the series, and her "arc" (is it considered an arc?) really eventuated to nothing, which makes me question such sexual scenes with her. The first-person motorboating was especially distasteful.

A lot of areas in the series either didn't make any sense or didn't have an impact either. Ryou and Akari very seriously fighting over Miki and whether to kill her or not one moment, and the next we're back to Miki's house enjoying breakfast with her family, because apparently Ryou took back his threat to literally kill Akira and thought "nah it's chill", as if he wasn't dead serious about his plans from the start and willing to do anything to make them succeed. Another point was where Miko suddenly transforms into a half demon, one second she's horrified upon seeing one at the club, the next she's chilling in her transformed body... I feel like they definitely should have shown the struggle between those two points. I especially hated the scene in which Akira sees his demon-possessed father and dead mother, this scene had such little build-up what was clearly meant to be very emotional and turning point for Akira to see this demon business is a lot more personal and serious than what he thinks ends up having zero impact on the audience and apparently Akira himself. How are we meant to feel sad here when these characters were established five minutes ago with not even mention of his parents beforehand?

I absolutely adored the second half of the series in comparison to the first. I feel like it showed that content can be mature without the use of excessive sexual themes, and it ended up the better for it too. The characters suddenly came to life, and I actually felt a connection to them, particularly Miki and Miko, as they started addressing the things happening to them and the relationships between them, something that.. for some reason didn't exist before, strangely enough. Everyone's death actually meant something to me, and I wasn't watching with a dissatisfied grimace as I imagine I would otherwise. I also like how Akira managed to gain his actual personality back and regained his selfless qualities, I was getting sick of his cocky bravado that only stopped in between moments of "hang on Ryou, I don't think straight up murdering people is something we should do". I also did not mind the ending whatsoever, I do feel like Ryou ending up to being an angel was a bit over the top, but I was perfectly satisfied in any case.

Parts I consistently enjoyed throughout the series were the OST and art of course, and I actually really liked the rapping as it brought a form of spirit to this town and its people which we really don't learn about much. I will be playing Devilman no Uta constantly for the next two weeks :P
Jan 12, 2018 5:45 AM
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impression from this series:
1-8 - what theeeee....
9 - heartbroken
10 - devastated

this anime was such a ride
Jan 12, 2018 8:38 AM

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Because the anime should have be
MechaJellyfish said:
I don't understand why everyone is using the manga as a basis of everything that makes this show good or bad, an adaptation doesn't have to stick purely to the original material and just because it changed many things from the original, it doesn't mean that it's inherently worse. Not to mention the manga Crybaby originated from is literally 40 years old. Introducing the story to an entirely new audience, changes need to be made. I came into Crybaby completely fresh, I don't care what happened in the original manga, this is its own series and it should be taken as such.

A lot of changes are inherently worse, and therefore prevented the show from becoming as good as it could have been. I expected Crybaby to fix some of the issues with the original manga, not make them worse.
Jan 12, 2018 11:36 AM

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Hagorama said:
Fuck that was really powerful,
Quite literally everyone dies.
Ep 9 and 10 were really great.

Why Did ryo grew a pair of breasts??

A solid 8/10 for me,
Art and sound were 10/10 though.
If it would have had more sol moments would have given it a 10

Liked it way better than the other stuff made by science saru.


Because he. they. are Satan. They had a penis and breast, meaning they weren't either male nor female.
Jan 12, 2018 11:37 AM

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I did not expect this ending... at all... I should have though.
People were dying left and right... :/
Jan 12, 2018 3:37 PM
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so i was really sad that every one of the people we knew (i mean secondary and supporting characters) all died. like the battle just felt too lonely because of that. but i guess that might have been the whole point. but in the end it wouldnt even matter if anyone lived because the world just got a hard reset and is now a new place. like the thing with the cities of sin(i dont know how to spell their names) the world just got too tainted by demons and humans alike so it all had to start over.
Jan 12, 2018 4:53 PM

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i cant believe i gave in to the hype... it looked quite promising at first but uhhhh im so disappointed. The best thing out of the show were those random rap sequences
Jan 12, 2018 11:10 PM
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i just finished devilman crybaby and i couldnt understand why did miko kill the rapper obviously he had also become an devilman and it seemed counterintuitive from a story telling perspective to let him survive the sabat party only to be killed off screen for no apparent reason. is anyone else having this doubt or maybe has answers????
Jan 13, 2018 2:13 AM
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hmm..

Jan 13, 2018 4:10 AM

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Still heartbroken even if i expected it... kinda wish theyd include the part where Satan realises he did wrong and just imitated God by destroying humans like in the Manga before Akira is fully finished

I think this anime did put an extra punch on what the manga could not pull off, with a modern twist. At the same time i do think they kinda chucked in some unnecessary nudity but whatever. I also think how Satan got his Ryo identity was better and much more straightfoward in the orig manga. Also he finally has nipples

9/10
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Jan 13, 2018 7:07 AM

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Nice style, animation and all, but otherwise a huge letdown. Definitely the worst Yuasa work by far.

Is it the source material? Haven't read the manga myself, but I've a feeling that there's just too much silliness thematically and in the story itself.
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Jan 13, 2018 3:03 PM

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I love these netflix anime projects. I'm hopeful for more older manga/games adaptation from them.
I really love the 1:1 manga adaptations that most of the japanese studios have been doing, but this kind of adaptation is also great when the studio can pull it off and have a good director working on it.
Jan 13, 2018 6:57 PM

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What a nihilistic, destructive tale this was.

Yeah, this is definitely superior to the original source material, the manga. the plot is more self-realized with much better foreshadowing. the characterization for the cast of characters, especially for Akira, was handled much better and was much more well-written. the relationships were established and explored better. i actually felt something for Miki's death, other than pure shock. god, i wanted her to live so bad.


Only downside is, the art was far superior in the manga. i'm okay with Akira's character design, i think i even like it more his original one, but Ryou's design was such a huge downgrade compared to his original, iconic design in the manga and OVA. same thing goes for Demons, too. also, the horror elements were presented better in the manga.

Yuasa did the best job he could probably do. i love it when directors take control of the original source, improve it, and turn it into a better piece of work with their own vision.

10/10
Jan 14, 2018 12:35 AM

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Yeah, i guess. It's pretty gritty and dark. Every Episode force me ask basic question about god, human, and my boner for miko.

Good job Netflix.
God is silent. Now if only man would shut up
Jan 14, 2018 1:13 AM

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So, that after credits scene... It would appear that Satan and his demons lost to God an his Angels. Am I to assume that the charred planet is what remains of the 'old' Earth that was the battlefield, and there is a brand new Earth? It's probably not even a significant point, but I am a bit curious as to others thoughts.

Having not read or previously had any exposure to the source material, the constant build of despair hit me hard. Just when I thought it would culminate with Miki's death, time goes on as humans are eradicated while Akira and Satan fight their war. I'm not really sure how I feel about the depiction of Akira's death. The way it was presented to the audience was powerful, but his death made me feel like everything was meaningless - which may have been the intent given the recurring theme of despair.

What I did not like about this show is that often the plot seemed disjointed in that i may have missed key points, but that was just the way the information was presented.

Overall, this was a great anime. A solid 8/10.
Jan 14, 2018 7:50 AM
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ReaperEXE said:
So, that after credits scene... It would appear that Satan and his demons lost to God an his Angels. Am I to assume that the charred planet is what remains of the 'old' Earth that was the battlefield, and there is a brand new Earth? It's probably not even a significant point, but I am a bit curious as to others thoughts.


That after credit scene is possibly the most important scene in the entire show. I've noticed it has flown over a lot people's heads. Basically the entire anime is Ryo's punishment for betraying God, an eternal cycle of suffering and mourning over the loss of Akira. The moral of the story is God is a fucking savage so go to church kids.
Jan 14, 2018 9:25 AM

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I don't see the appealing in this anime at all. I decided to watch it after all the hype people were showing in social media, but I didn't see it. It may be because I didn't read the original source, but the story in general was really meaningless, not profound at all. It's watchable at most. The animation and OSTs were really good, but the story was really cheap. I barely felt any connection with the characters presented... Wamu and Miko at most. And yet, not really.
Anyway, I just felt like I had to say something after seeing so many reviews calling it a masterpiece and so on. For me, it was a 5/10.
Jan 14, 2018 9:30 AM
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No, this wasn't an adaptation of the manga. Nor did they remain entirely faithful to the themes of the manga. They did adapt a few moments but changed them around, most of this was anime original.

Anywho, solid 7/10 anime. I really wish they would've left out some of the more juvenile stuff (i.e. the rappers, Akira's demon sex drive) but as a whole it was pretty good. I would honestly say the manga and its two OVA adaptations are far, far superior though. A lot of the nuances were lost. The only character that really got any meaningful development in this was Ryou. Ryou's relationship with Akira might be the only thing this anime does better than any other Devilman anime, since for once it does actually feel like they're friends.

I think the ending was kind of fumbled, although at the same time I did really enjoy the last two episodes. It didn't quite capture the apocalyptic feel and oppressive horror of the manga's final act.

I feel as though the juvenile stuff made the juxtaposition between the first half and the last half of the show much better. It went from being a fun and goofy, but still brutal, monster of the week show to a depressing apocalypse story. In my opinion I would keep the juvenile stuff.
Jan 14, 2018 10:27 AM
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Man i loved the ending it was rushed sure but im in love with the final scene you know when Ryo finally understood that he loves Akari and is now sad and cried and I CANT WITH THE FEELINGS ;_; i give this anime 10/10 bcuz i havent seen the original manga and havent seen the ovas and well this anime was able to make me relate to the characters and feel sad and i havent seen such a sad ending in a while and it really got to me. I love anime with scenes and endings that really break my heart therefore 10/10 from me ^^
Jan 14, 2018 12:05 PM
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Wow. This show was the quite the emotional ride! Had just enough gore and action to satisfy my gruesome desires. Also, the music was awesome! I really did enjoy it a lot more than I thought I would, especially the last two episodes. I also like wonky running.
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Jan 14, 2018 12:15 PM
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It was a happy ending because AKIRA arrived in the afterlife purgatory heaven with loved ones within a collective conscious. he cracked a big smile of joy and peace no longer possessed by entity amon
Jan 14, 2018 1:41 PM
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Overall I give the show a 6 it does some things better than 72 manga but drops flat in other areas. For one the overabundance of sex scenes were not needed just come off as shock factor it’s almost if the creators were afraid modern audience wouldn’t be entertained or be able to keep their attention otherwise. In turn makes it less focused than the manga.

As for the art and animation it works in some areas and doesn’t it just looks plain ugly in some scenes. The biggest impact is the on the demons designs as they lack the evil and sinister look of Go Nagi’s art even compared to the original OVA the yellow gore didn’t help either.

One biggest problems with anime is Ryo character doesn’t work in Devilman Crybaby as tries to use the similar events and story of the 1972 Devilman, but adds this new personality. Manga Ryo was supportive, desperate, and human and even with his pessimistic view on humans. He was believable and relatable. Akira had reasons to trust him.

In this new version Ryo openly films him, commits several murders, threatens to kill Miki, hacks several people's phones and stalks them, wants Akira's help to out the demons on national television. Doesn’t make any sense in the anime for Akira to trust him he’s total psychopath there’s no balance to him. This makes the reveal less impactful as you know from the get go Ryo behind these events in some way. His backstory is convoluted seemed to be no end game for his plans against humanity it just sort happened.

As for the ending Ryo him confessing his love for Akira he doesn’t really learn anything or change he still coming from a selfish point of view it’s about Akira and nothing else. Satan in the manga realized the magnitude of his actions even preceding to humble himself (keep mind his deity which makes it such a powerful scene) by calling himself an idiot and hypocrite. Even with Akira changes his character still works with the plotline. They dropped the ball on Ryo.

Overall the manga is still better and gets its message across much clearly and is focused touches on more themes. Though it’s still a decent adaption.
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that ending tho... oh my god. ryo why did u just finally realize a done fucked up? it pains me that he was finally able to feel emotions UNTIL he started an apocalypse. okay :/

anywayss, definitely one of my fav anime now. i would consider re-watching this uhh like.... 10 times...

9.69/10
no wait
10/10

does anyone think there will be another spin-off or anything of the sort? i need.
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Jan 14, 2018 4:12 PM

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Binged this Yesterday.

Better then the original manga, IMO.

Jan 14, 2018 9:43 PM
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deku2 said:
So I never read Devilman and went in watching this anime completely blind... It ripped my heart in half and tore it into pieces lmao that was absolute mindfuckery, in the best way possible. I wasn't expecting Ryo to be Satan and that end /end/ with Akira torn in half... I have to admit it did felt bit rushed (both 9 and 10, a lot happened in just two episodes) but it all came together nicely in the end
10/10 to be honest

The only thing that I didn't completely understand, did the world like "reset" at the final scene? Because that was the feeling I got.


Not sure, but I think the moons are the previous earths, because in the first info dump where we see the demon earth there was no moon present (I seem to remember it that way), so after the earth faced destruction the first time it became a moon and a new one took its place. That's what happened here, pretty sure.

I don’t think that’s it. They showed the moon being cut in half by one of the attacks, so I assumed that those two half’s formed 2 new moons. I could be wrong though
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Temujin26S said:
Overall I give the show a 6 it does some things better than 72 manga but drops flat in other areas. For one the overabundance of sex scenes were not needed just come off as shock factor it’s almost if the creators were afraid modern audience wouldn’t be entertained or be able to keep their attention otherwise. In turn makes it less focused than the manga.

As for the art and animation it works in some areas and doesn’t it just looks plain ugly in some scenes. The biggest impact is the on the demons designs as they lack the evil and sinister look of Go Nagi’s art even compared to the original OVA the yellow gore didn’t help either.

One biggest problems with anime is Ryo character doesn’t work in Devilman Crybaby as tries to use the similar events and story of the 1972 Devilman, but adds this new personality. Manga Ryo was supportive, desperate, and human and even with his pessimistic view on humans. He was believable and relatable. Akira had reasons to trust him.

In this new version Ryo openly films him, commits several murders, threatens to kill Miki, hacks several people's phones and stalks them, wants Akira's help to out the demons on national television. Doesn’t make any sense in the anime for Akira to trust him he’s total psychopath there’s no balance to him. This makes the reveal less impactful as you know from the get go Ryo behind these events in some way. His backstory is convoluted seemed to be no end game for his plans against humanity it just sort happened.

As for the ending Ryo him confessing his love for Akira he doesn’t really learn anything or change he still coming from a selfish point of view it’s about Akira and nothing else. Satan in the manga realized the magnitude of his actions even preceding to humble himself (keep mind his deity which makes it such a powerful scene) by calling himself an idiot and hypocrite. Even with Akira changes his character still works with the plotline. They dropped the ball on Ryo.

Overall the manga is still better and gets its message across much clearly and is focused touches on more themes. Though it’s still a decent adaption.

So out of all the intelligent discussion in this forum I think your comment nails it in some places, if not in others. If it makes any sense, I preferred the characterisation of anime Ryo, cause he just didn't have enough of that in the OG manga for readers to really care all that much, but I vastly prefer the character of manga Ryo. I gave the anime more than a six because Ryo is the only character I really have this problem with (okay, maybe aside from Miki being turned into a Purity Sue), and Akira's character in the anime is really awesome, but in botching Ryo's character as much as they did they completely ignored the main message of the story.

Ryo doesn't discover feelings at the end of the story; he has feelings, and God is absolutely determined to make him suffer as much as possible for it. The reveal of the existence of demons to the public wasn't orchestrated by him, and was something he was trying to avoid, from what I gathered. I like to think that it's exactly why God is doing this: because Satan developed feelings and opinions when unquestioning obedience to God was the only thing that was really allowed, but that's kind of unimportant in this discussion. I really liked the anime, the soundtrack, the visuals and most of the characters, but what they did with Ryo makes it so much less than it could have been.
"Though mountains crack, and ice will thaw

Though walls will fall, to tooth and claw

Though stars will fade, and shadow spread

On the heights we stood, with iron red.


And as they died, they killed the dead.
Jan 15, 2018 5:02 AM

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Although the art style is not top notch for me, it ended as a pretty solid show for me, great ending, now that I read that the manga has a sequel I'm looking forward to see if they also adapt it. Overall 8 or 8. something/10
Jan 15, 2018 5:32 AM

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Yisus666 said:
Although the art style is not top notch for me, it ended as a pretty solid show for me, great ending, now that I read that the manga has a sequel I'm looking forward to see if they also adapt it. Overall 8 or 8. something/10


It's not that likely that the sequel (Devilman Lady) will be adapted again, it was adapted already back in 1998 - https://myanimelist.net/anime/1629/Devilman_Lady?q=devil%20

Though the adaptation was pretty much an alternate take on the story and is not in canon with anything else. It is great on it's own though and I feel better than the manga.
Jan 15, 2018 7:46 AM

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Yisus666 said:
Although the art style is not top notch for me, it ended as a pretty solid show for me, great ending, now that I read that the manga has a sequel I'm looking forward to see if they also adapt it. Overall 8 or 8. something/10


It's not that likely that the sequel (Devilman Lady) will be adapted again, it was adapted already back in 1998 - https://myanimelist.net/anime/1629/Devilman_Lady?q=devil%20

Though the adaptation was pretty much an alternate take on the story and is not in canon with anything else. It is great on it's own though and I feel better than the manga.


Thanks for the info, I'll give it a try ;)
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hybridial said:
Yisus666 said:
Although the art style is not top notch for me, it ended as a pretty solid show for me, great ending, now that I read that the manga has a sequel I'm looking forward to see if they also adapt it. Overall 8 or 8. something/10


It's not that likely that the sequel (Devilman Lady) will be adapted again, it was adapted already back in 1998 - https://myanimelist.net/anime/1629/Devilman_Lady?q=devil%20

Though the adaptation was pretty much an alternate take on the story and is not in canon with anything else. It is great on it's own though and I feel better than the manga.

I wouldn’t say it’s better but certainly different. I kinda like the manga for its completely bonkers plot so there’s that.
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Temujin26S said:
Overall I give the show a 6 it does some things better than 72 manga but drops flat in other areas. For one the overabundance of sex scenes were not needed just come off as shock factor it’s almost if the creators were afraid modern audience wouldn’t be entertained or be able to keep their attention otherwise. In turn makes it less focused than the manga.

As for the art and animation it works in some areas and doesn’t it just looks plain ugly in some scenes. The biggest impact is the on the demons designs as they lack the evil and sinister look of Go Nagi’s art even compared to the original OVA the yellow gore didn’t help either.

One biggest problems with anime is Ryo character doesn’t work in Devilman Crybaby as tries to use the similar events and story of the 1972 Devilman, but adds this new personality. Manga Ryo was supportive, desperate, and human and even with his pessimistic view on humans. He was believable and relatable. Akira had reasons to trust him.

In this new version Ryo openly films him, commits several murders, threatens to kill Miki, hacks several people's phones and stalks them, wants Akira's help to out the demons on national television. Doesn’t make any sense in the anime for Akira to trust him he’s total psychopath there’s no balance to him. This makes the reveal less impactful as you know from the get go Ryo behind these events in some way. His backstory is convoluted seemed to be no end game for his plans against humanity it just sort happened.

As for the ending Ryo him confessing his love for Akira he doesn’t really learn anything or change he still coming from a selfish point of view it’s about Akira and nothing else. Satan in the manga realized the magnitude of his actions even preceding to humble himself (keep mind his deity which makes it such a powerful scene) by calling himself an idiot and hypocrite. Even with Akira changes his character still works with the plotline. They dropped the ball on Ryo.

Overall the manga is still better and gets its message across much clearly and is focused touches on more themes. Though it’s still a decent adaption.

So out of all the intelligent discussion in this forum I think your comment nails it in some places, if not in others. If it makes any sense, I preferred the characterisation of anime Ryo, cause he just didn't have enough of that in the OG manga for readers to really care all that much, but I vastly prefer the character of manga Ryo. I gave the anime more than a six because Ryo is the only character I really have this problem with (okay, maybe aside from Miki being turned into a Purity Sue), and Akira's character in the anime is really awesome, but in botching Ryo's character as much as they did they completely ignored the main message of the story.

Ryo doesn't discover feelings at the end of the story; he has feelings, and God is absolutely determined to make him suffer as much as possible for it. The reveal of the existence of demons to the public wasn't orchestrated by him, and was something he was trying to avoid, from what I gathered. I like to think that it's exactly why God is doing this: because Satan developed feelings and opinions when unquestioning obedience to God was the only thing that was really allowed, but that's kind of unimportant in this discussion. I really liked the anime, the soundtrack, the visuals and most of the characters, but what they did with Ryo makes it so much less than it could have been.


Honestly I agree with the 6 out of 10 rating, but for a few different reasons. I love Masaaki Yuasa, but the animation style didn't fit at all with the mood of the anime. I hate how people look at a vague and incoherent plot and say its the "deepest thing they ever watched" Then again, a few scenes were done well, the beginning was an okay hook, and some tracks in the ost are worth a second listen. The production quality is really bad throughout the entire anime and the pacing was all over the place. Time is wasted on stupid raps and tit flashes rather than actual character development

I don't think we watched the same anime if you rated this above an 8.
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Man i loved the ending it was rushed sure but im in love with the final scene you know when Ryo finally understood that he loves Akari and is now sad and cried and I CANT WITH THE FEELINGS ;_; i give this anime 10/10 bcuz i havent seen the original manga and havent seen the ovas and well this anime was able to make me relate to the characters and feel sad and i havent seen such a sad ending in a while and it really got to me. I love anime with scenes and endings that really break my heart therefore 10/10 from me ^^



... okay very nice points, i completely agree with everything here kappa
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I hate how people look at a vague and incoherent plot and say its the "deepest thing they ever watched"


This would probably be the main reason one would give this show more than 8/10. It's not that vague and it's not particularly incoherent. Paced a little hapdash maybe, even I recognise the manga sort of changes in plot about midway through, and this was because from what Go Nagai said, many of his ideas for the second half came to him midway through publishing, but with chapters already released he couldn't really go and retcon them. He did make additions to later editions of the manga that help this a bit. If Crybaby's guilty of anything, it's in not really fixing this when it had a chance to.

And it's not deep. It's quite sad, but as I keep saying, it's a very simple plot. It's the plot equivalent to a bludgeoning with a hammer.

What I like, is the honesty of it, the fact it really doesn't try to dress it up but instead just focus on intensity. But I fell in love with Devilman originally without the full plot, but because the OVAs which were stupendously animated and fucking cool.

You might see where the appeal of the concept comes a bit more if you watched them.

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MrHawky said:
deku2 said:
So I never read Devilman and went in watching this anime completely blind... It ripped my heart in half and tore it into pieces lmao that was absolute mindfuckery, in the best way possible. I wasn't expecting Ryo to be Satan and that end /end/ with Akira torn in half... I have to admit it did felt bit rushed (both 9 and 10, a lot happened in just two episodes) but it all came together nicely in the end
10/10 to be honest

The only thing that I didn't completely understand, did the world like "reset" at the final scene? Because that was the feeling I got.


Not sure, but I think the moons are the previous earths, because in the first info dump where we see the demon earth there was no moon present (I seem to remember it that way), so after the earth faced destruction the first time it became a moon and a new one took its place. That's what happened here, pretty sure.

Dude. NO!
They split the moon in 2 halfs during the battle so you get two smaller ones.
It's jsut emphasizes that the world just keeps going on even if the previous one ended...this kinda stuff....
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UnleashTheGoat said:
Temujin26S said:
Overall I give the show a 6 it does some things better than 72 manga but drops flat in other areas. For one the overabundance of sex scenes were not needed just come off as shock factor it’s almost if the creators were afraid modern audience wouldn’t be entertained or be able to keep their attention otherwise. In turn makes it less focused than the manga.

As for the art and animation it works in some areas and doesn’t it just looks plain ugly in some scenes. The biggest impact is the on the demons designs as they lack the evil and sinister look of Go Nagi’s art even compared to the original OVA the yellow gore didn’t help either.

One biggest problems with anime is Ryo character doesn’t work in Devilman Crybaby as tries to use the similar events and story of the 1972 Devilman, but adds this new personality. Manga Ryo was supportive, desperate, and human and even with his pessimistic view on humans. He was believable and relatable. Akira had reasons to trust him.

In this new version Ryo openly films him, commits several murders, threatens to kill Miki, hacks several people's phones and stalks them, wants Akira's help to out the demons on national television. Doesn’t make any sense in the anime for Akira to trust him he’s total psychopath there’s no balance to him. This makes the reveal less impactful as you know from the get go Ryo behind these events in some way. His backstory is convoluted seemed to be no end game for his plans against humanity it just sort happened.

As for the ending Ryo him confessing his love for Akira he doesn’t really learn anything or change he still coming from a selfish point of view it’s about Akira and nothing else. Satan in the manga realized the magnitude of his actions even preceding to humble himself (keep mind his deity which makes it such a powerful scene) by calling himself an idiot and hypocrite. Even with Akira changes his character still works with the plotline. They dropped the ball on Ryo.

Overall the manga is still better and gets its message across much clearly and is focused touches on more themes. Though it’s still a decent adaption.

So out of all the intelligent discussion in this forum I think your comment nails it in some places, if not in others. If it makes any sense, I preferred the characterisation of anime Ryo, cause he just didn't have enough of that in the OG manga for readers to really care all that much, but I vastly prefer the character of manga Ryo. I gave the anime more than a six because Ryo is the only character I really have this problem with (okay, maybe aside from Miki being turned into a Purity Sue), and Akira's character in the anime is really awesome, but in botching Ryo's character as much as they did they completely ignored the main message of the story.

Ryo doesn't discover feelings at the end of the story; he has feelings, and God is absolutely determined to make him suffer as much as possible for it. The reveal of the existence of demons to the public wasn't orchestrated by him, and was something he was trying to avoid, from what I gathered. I like to think that it's exactly why God is doing this: because Satan developed feelings and opinions when unquestioning obedience to God was the only thing that was really allowed, but that's kind of unimportant in this discussion. I really liked the anime, the soundtrack, the visuals and most of the characters, but what they did with Ryo makes it so much less than it could have been.



You make good points, the sad thing is that they could've balanced his character with the traits of manga Ryo, with all my criticisms I don't hate Ryo anime (partly because of the manga too) as the psychotic side was an interesting spin while entertaining but got old fast just leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

That's very good explanation, I liked bits of Satan's new backstory better than manga but as whole way too vague and bit convoluted just falls apart. The manga was very clear and concise of what Satan plans and why he did everything he did.
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That was painful and I am in pain
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I gotta say, the ending took me by surprise, it felt kinda rushed too; but overall this anime was fucking great.
I would give the Soundtrack a steaming 15/10 if i could though.
Jan 16, 2018 8:53 AM

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Yep, I'm just never gonna like these types of endings. Makes everything seem pointless, it was a really fun show but Miki's death ruined it for me.
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I missed this kind of anime, reminds me of those OVA from late 80s early 90s that I used to watch as a brat with uncensored gore, sex, horror and despair, ala genocyber; midori; jack; etc.

I'm dreaming this trend achieves momentum so that uzumaki get an adaptation.
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i liked the last episode but i was pretty upset because of you know what..
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Watched all 10 episodes between last night and today. Predictable ending imo, and the amount of fuckery in that war was certainly something. This series was certainly...something. With everyone dead it seems like one of those anime where sex and violence is what shaped the world as well as destroyed it; even for the demons. 2/10 for effort.
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Yuasa will be on reddit for real???
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This was a great ride so I'm giving it a 8/10 for enjoyment, but could have definitely done better in the plot,pacing, and character development. The animation was unique so I won't really fault all the bleh faces since it still worked with the action.

A trippy predictable jumble of action, gore, and sex. Recommend you watch this with other people for full enjoyment because that's what I did and had a good laugh.

Music was 10/10

(I didn't read more than 2 volumes of the original manga nor seen the Anime so I can't judge on faithfulness.)
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Oh man, I really loved this. The music was astounding. In typical netflix fashion, the gore and sex were probably a bit overdone but it does look surprisingly artistic in animated format. The plot was insane. I felt terrible for both of the boys at the end... there seems to be a lot of unexplored backstory (the rest of the demons, the intent of God and his angel legion etc) but I guess open-ended speculation is half of the fun!

Episode 9 was absolutely insane though, I felt physically sick.
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Very fast pacing in the end, but holy shit I loved it. 9/10 for me.
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What an incredible ride. I'm not familiar with Nagai's manga so that probably makes it easier for me to have enjoyed this on its own terms. Love Yuasa's art and animation styles and i thought the fast pace and soundtrack really gave this a kinetic energy that is quite lacking in anime in 2018.

Will recommend and watch again.
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Jan 17, 2018 5:31 PM

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Fuck, things just kept getting more and more extreme.

Serious end of eva and berserk vibes, I'm not too sure I liked the pacing of this show.

Somewhere between episode 7 and episode 8 things starting going way too fast and we lost some crucial explanations.

I love this show so much though, the music was amazing, the characters felt real and the episodes had a lot of weight to them. I really wish things had slowed down a bit to fit in an extra two episodes.

I've got to give it 9/10, it could have been a 10 and it was so close but I didn't feel like things were just right. So close though.
I've been here way too long...
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Fuck, things just kept getting more and more extreme.

Serious end of eva and berserk vibes, I'm not too sure I liked the pacing of this show.

Somewhere between episode 7 and episode 8 things starting going way too fast and we lost some crucial explanations.

I love this show so much though, the music was amazing, the characters felt real and the episodes had a lot of weight to them. I really wish things had slowed down a bit to fit in an extra two episodes.

I've got to give it 9/10, it could have been a 10 and it was so close but I didn't feel like things were just right. So close though.
That's how I feel too. It was so close to a 10/10 but the last few episodes just weren't good enough for me. It could have been so much better if Satan explained everything before the climax rather than during it.
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Damn, he didn't defeat Ryo in the end.
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So, that after credits scene... It would appear that Satan and his demons lost to God an his Angels. Am I to assume that the charred planet is what remains of the 'old' Earth that was the battlefield, and there is a brand new Earth? It's probably not even a significant point, but I am a bit curious as to others thoughts.

Having not read or previously had any exposure to the source material, the constant build of despair hit me hard. Just when I thought it would culminate with Miki's death, time goes on as humans are eradicated while Akira and Satan fight their war. I'm not really sure how I feel about the depiction of Akira's death. The way it was presented to the audience was powerful, but his death made me feel like everything was meaningless - which may have been the intent given the recurring theme of despair.

What I did not like about this show is that often the plot seemed disjointed in that i may have missed key points, but that was just the way the information was presented.

Overall, this was a great anime. A solid 8/10.


I'm in the same boat and am very glad I got to watch such a classic that I had no clue about that as I understand, was adapted for our modern era.

While having some likeable characters die and having some left standing may make people feel that individual death more impactfull,there's still that feeling of hope that some very valuable lessons were learned at a great cost, but things can still work out. That happens in a lot of stories we're fond of, where the main character(s) loose some of their friends,family,mentors,etc in order to learn a valuable,even if tragic, lesson.

But here, it doesn't matter if Ryo/Satan learned a valuable lesson at the end, because it was simply too late given all the damage he's caused. Yea, all the hysteria is overblown but it nevertheless manages to drive it's point across. While the anime still baits us with that hope for a while with the kids & people hugging Akira & someone like Miki influencing people for the better in a crisis, it just wasn't enough. It's also interesting,sad but also somewhat hopeful just considering that if more people like her,Akira,Miki no2 & the rappers were around, things would've been completely different in the end.
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