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Tentology said: Porn isn't a "worse" version as the intend of creating it is different.Milk_is_Special said: Don't really know what you're trying to say, probably because English is not my native language... Lol let's just say that porn is a "worse" version of ecchi even if they're not the "same", but even so people aren't ashamed of watching it. |
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Milk_is_Special said: Tentology said: Porn isn't a "worse" version as the intend of creating it is different.Lol let's just say that porn is a "worse" version of ecchi even if they're not the "same", but even so people aren't ashamed of watching it. Porn focus penetration, the sex basically. Ecchi doesn't involve sex at all, just arousal based on looks and seduction towards a number of cartoonish subjects. Both of them have 1 thing in common, they objectify women. |
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lasterrending said: Fabio-s said: Both of them have 1 thing in common, they objectify women. While that's easy to say, I'm not sure it's actually true for ecchi. Some does, certainly, but I think it's far more demeaning toward men than toward women. Women have personalities in ecchi, and it's part of what makes them sexy. In a typical harem there's often at least one girl who's strong, confident, and popular, the classic unattainable girl. The other girls may fall into a set of personality tropes, but they're usually still far more interesting than the male lead. You could argue that ecchi makes unfair generalizations by applying labels to women, but I'm not convinced it's objectification. Compare that to what your typical harem comedy says about men. When an uninteresting guy is surrounded by much more interesting beautiful women due to no action on his part, it presents a moral, perhaps unintentionally, that his intelligence, personality, and accomplishments are meaningless. His worth is measured by the total worth of the women attracted to him. Yes I know, not all ecchi = harem. And not all ecchi or harem fit this description. But it's still a large part of the genre. Ecchi presents women as symbols of sexuality with exaggerated breasts and looks. Don't get me wrong, you made your point clear and I agree with everything you said, but when I said it objectifies women I was looking at a bigger picture. Like in porn, the guy is simply there as a symbol of [passive] dominance, but the focus is not him. Ecchi focus women and everything they do with the man. Regardless of the personalities and intelect the women show in ecchi, in the end they serve the same purpose, being sexy to the viewer. I don't like ecchi, because it's just what I don't look for in anime. Anime for me is about story with its originality and plot twists, something that will make crave for more in an interesting way, not like ecchi and its constant roleplay "casting couch" scripts that serve one purpose alone: To arouse the viewers. |
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Fabio-s said: lasterrending said: While that's easy to say, I'm not sure it's actually true for ecchi. Some does, certainly, but I think it's far more demeaning toward men than toward women. Women have personalities in ecchi, and it's part of what makes them sexy. In a typical harem there's often at least one girl who's strong, confident, and popular, the classic unattainable girl. The other girls may fall into a set of personality tropes, but they're usually still far more interesting than the male lead. You could argue that ecchi makes unfair generalizations by applying labels to women, but I'm not convinced it's objectification. Compare that to what your typical harem comedy says about men. When an uninteresting guy is surrounded by much more interesting beautiful women due to no action on his part, it presents a moral, perhaps unintentionally, that his intelligence, personality, and accomplishments are meaningless. His worth is measured by the total worth of the women attracted to him. Yes I know, not all ecchi = harem. And not all ecchi or harem fit this description. But it's still a large part of the genre. Ecchi presents women as symbols of sexuality with exaggerated breasts and looks. Don't get me wrong, you made your point clear and I agree with everything you said, but when I said it objectifies women I was looking at a bigger picture. Like in porn, the guy is simply there as a symbol of [passive] dominance, but the focus is not him. Ecchi focus women and everything they do with the man. Regardless of the personalities and intelect the women show in ecchi, in the end they serve the same purpose, being sexy to the viewer. I don't like ecchi, because it's just what I don't look for in anime. Anime for me is about story with its originality and plot twists, something that will make crave for more in an interesting way, not like ecchi and its constant roleplay "casting couch" scripts that serve one purpose alone: To arouse the viewers. I feel that you are confusing ecchi (which is something that can be added to any story to make it more appealing to male viewers) with harems (which are a genre about a bunch of likeable women being in love). For example, as far as I know, Queen's Blade is ecchi, but not harem. The same applies to Strike Witches. Dog Days has its harem moments, but it's mostly ecchi. Highschool of the Dead is ecchi, but not harem (the MC has a love triangle at most). On the other hand, Nisekoi and Kami nomi zo Shiru Sekai aren't ecchi, but they are harems. There are other non-ecchi harems. |
Fabio-s said: Get the fuck out of here, we don't need people like you here.Milk_is_Special said: Porn isn't a "worse" version as the intend of creating it is different. Porn focus penetration, the sex basically. Ecchi doesn't involve sex at all, just arousal based on looks and seduction towards a number of cartoonish subjects. Both of them have 1 thing in common, they objectify women. |
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Fabio-s said: Milk_is_Special said: Porn isn't a "worse" version as the intend of creating it is different. Porn focus penetration, the sex basically. Ecchi doesn't involve sex at all, just arousal based on looks and seduction towards a number of cartoonish subjects. Both of them have 1 thing in common, they objectify women. Poisoning the well here I see. sexualisation =/= misogyny. |
Semem said: Nah, I don't see a reason to be ashamed for liking it. it's just ecchi lol, I aggree with this guy |
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Fabio-s said: Milk_is_Special said: Porn isn't a "worse" version as the intend of creating it is different. Porn focus penetration, the sex basically. Ecchi doesn't involve sex at all, just arousal based on looks and seduction towards a number of cartoonish subjects. Both of them have 1 thing in common, they objectify women. I don't think so. Ecchi doesn't objectify women, they have perosnalities and all, when porn just focuses, as you said, on the "penetration". It means the girl in a porn movie has no personality and is like a sex object, while in Ecchi the girls do have personality, feelings and wishes. |
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Milk_is_Special said: Get the fuck out of here, we don't need people like you here. At least the other users presented some kind of argument to disagree with me. Incredible how you are allowed to post anything in this forum when you only use raw schediaphile emotions. Accept other people's opinions or enter the discussion with proper arguments. |
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| I don't care for it, but as far as how most people would view it: faping to real porn=normal, faping to cartoon girls= wierd. Watch if you want who cares. |
| I don't really like how some are blissfully open about it, like having their waifus in little or no clothing as their avatar or sig. It comes off to me as indecent and immature. Not that I have a problem with ecchi as a whole though, other than the negative stigma that the medium of anime gets from it. |
| thats like asking is GoT something shameful to watch. |
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Lobinde said: he never said it did.Fabio-s said: Porn focus penetration, the sex basically. Ecchi doesn't involve sex at all, just arousal based on looks and seduction towards a number of cartoonish subjects. Both of them have 1 thing in common, they objectify women. Poisoning the well here I see. sexualisation =/= misogyny. OT: No, watch whatever you want, but don't be surprised when people think you're a pervert for watching it. In the end, most people's opinions of you don't matter, just don't go telling your boss or parents that you like it. |
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AltoRoark said: I don't really like how some are blissfully open about it, like having their waifus in little or no clothing as their avatar or sig. It comes off to me as indecent and immature. now even you have resorted to trolling.. -_____- merryfistmas said: just don't go telling your boss or parents that you like it. my first boss new lol, then he proceeded to show me the video of that real life anime barbie doll girl creature 1. answer, FUCK NO..... ecchi for life 2. damn you whoever revived this... |
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Mamster-P said: I doubt he's trolling, he's just, as you would put it "stating his opinion". If your boss likes it that's pretty cool, I'm speaking an general though and my experience with people who have a very negative opinion of those who watch cartoon fan service. I've met a lot of those.AltoRoark said: I don't really like how some are blissfully open about it, like having their waifus in little or no clothing as their avatar or sig. It comes off to me as indecent and immature. now even you have resorted to trolling.. -_____- merryfistmas said: just don't go telling your boss or parents that you like it. my first boss new lol, then he proceeded to show me the video of that real life anime barbie doll girl creature 1. answer, FUCK NO..... ecchi for life 2. damn you whoever revived this... |
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merryfistmas said: I doubt he's trolling, he's just, as you would put it "stating his opinion". If your boss likes it that's pretty cool, I'm speaking an general though and my experience with people who have a very negative opinion of those who watch cartoon fan service. I've met a lot of those. guh..... i thought he was one of the good guys..... SERIOUSLY?..... those ppl pretty much don't exist offline for me lol... and the rare times they do... fuckem.... lol i mean... even anime haters in general..... not something i even think about when im not online lol but fuckem too lol |
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Fabio-s said: Ecchi is garbage and a complete waste of time. That being said, you don't have to feel ashamed for watching a mediocre genre, just look at yourself in the mirror and realize that you get turned on by moving drawings. It's ridiculous, right? Look at yourself in the mirror and realise you empathise with fictional characters. Look at yourself in the mirror and realise you can get immersed in fake worlds. Look at yourself in the mirror and realise you derive enterainment from pixels on a screen. Look at yourself in the mirror and realise moving pictures can make you laugh. It's utterly ridiculous, right? All this fake shit that evokes a myriad of reactions from people. How silly of them. |
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It's a good thread, makes people think about a whole genre and how it's perceived by different anime fans. The reason I revived this was to reply to an indecent person who thought he/she could trash talk to me for free, when I didn't even addressed that individual in any shape or form before. Maz said: Look at yourself in the mirror and realise you empathise with fictional characters. Look at yourself in the mirror and realise you can get immersed in fake worlds. Look at yourself in the mirror and realise you derive enterainment from pixels on a screen. Look at yourself in the mirror and realise moving pictures can make you laugh. It's utterly ridiculous, right? All this fake shit that evokes a myriad of reactions from people. How silly of them. I don't feel horny looking at cartoons, they evoke other feelings though if I suspend disbelief. It's what you take from anime that will make you feel the way you feel. If you like ecchi what am I going to do? You can't deny it's moving drawings trying to arouse you though. If you can suspend enough disbelief to allow that kind of reaction, good for you. |
Fabio-sJul 3, 2016 2:57 PM
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Fabio-s said: I don't feel horny looking at cartoons, they evoke other feelings though if I suspend disbelief. It's what you take from anime that will make you feel the way you feel. If you like ecchi what am I going to do? You can't deny it's moving drawings trying to arouse you though. If you can suspend enough disbelief to allow that kind of reaction, good for you. I'm not trying to deny anything. I'm simply pointing out that you can deride all fiction. People seem to solely focus only on the sexual side of things, though. If you're gonna disparage it, try and do so without resorting to such an obvious double standard. |
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kamisama751 said: FullmetalPenguin said: No, but it would be better to watch hentai because stuff actually happens and its not a 12-26 episode long dick tease. ^This. Most people still don't get that hentai is better. xD Sure, if what you only seek while watching Ecchi is material to jerk off, then yes, Hentai is better. If what you seek is more than just fap material, Ecchi is better... Ecchi/Comedy and Ecchi/Romance comes to mind... @Mamster-P, What do you take from this? |
HyperLJul 3, 2016 3:18 PM
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| I dont think that you should be ashamed on watching any anime with ecchi genre coz many good anime has this and its not like you are watching hentai anyways so dont hold yourself back |
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| Nothing is wrong with Ecchi. For me, I dont care about it as long as it isn't a tag in a show I'm really looking forward too. As long as it stays its own genre I'm fine with it. I also watched Kiss x Sis a few weeks ago, and I felt ashamed of myself. Then I got over it lol |
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Maz said: I'm not trying to deny anything. I'm simply pointing out that you can deride all fiction. People seem to solely focus only on the sexual side of things, though. If you're gonna disparage it, try and do so without resorting to such an obvious double standard. Anime is divided in different genres for a reason. Refusing a genre for having something it's centered on and I happen to not like it, is valid. For me it's ridiculous for an anime to try to arouse me, but I'm ok with it inciting other feelings, it's not me having double standards. As a kid you are/were used to watching animated stories of practically all sorts, but not sexually oriented ones, right? I'm making a general guess here. It's what you take from anime, since it's by default an art that deviates the most from reality in the visual sense. |
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Kuma said: nothing to be ashamed off, but also nothing to be proud of. isn't it that simple? I agree with this. Also, as long as your not shoving it down people's throats to be into that. Some people can be sex repulsed and some ecchi anime cover topics that can make certain people upset / sick and ...basically get to know a person before you recommend anything that can be considered harmful to others. Other than that, no, don't be ashamed, but don't be arrogant about it either. |
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FullmetalPenguin said: HyperL said: And what would the other reasons for watching ecchi shows be?Sure, if what you only seek while watching Ecchi is material to jerk off, then yes, Hentai is better. If what you seek is more than just fap material, Ecchi is better... I already updated my post with the reasons, it's basically comedy and romance, two order genres that can work well with Ecchi... |
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| I'm not a single bit ashamed of being a fan of Ecchi or Harems or whatever people like to make threads to complain about. I also think the "well y dun u just watch hentai?????" argument is pretty much just like I spelled it out right there - retarded. If I wanted to watch hentai then I'd watch hentai; the thing with Ecchi anime is that they tend to provide an excellent outlet of lewd and sexually charged humor in an animated way that looks much more graceful than the adult cartoons of the west and is more focused on just the sexually charged parts instead of just sheer shock value, which is again the bigger issue with adult animation in the west. Ecchi tend to be much more down to earth and less reliant on just being offensive and are more reliant on setting up lewd humor in ways that are either over the top or whatnot but tend to have much, much less focus on just offensive humor and shock value. Great for sitting back and having a tea or some beer with after coming home from work, too, because they're hardly ever something to take seriously and are just good for relaxing and seeing some lovely ladies and getting some decent comedy. Complex or even well written stories don't necessitate appeal to some people, sometimes it's just shit like what I described above. People who say to just watch hentai clearly miss out on as much by probably looking at them in the most shallow way possible and then decrying them as being shallow anime, which, again, is just retarded. Basically, people who think that's a good argument are people who are trying to act smart by demanding a quality story that isn't focused on teh boobiez and more on teh churucterr development and other false praises/criticisms that hardly go explained but always are brought up but are clearly too stupid to realize that it isn't what these kinds of anime are trying to accomplish in the first place, so of course they don't live up to what you're wanting out of them. It's like buying strawberry ice cream and then complaining that it doesn't taste like chocolate ice cream. People who try to act smart end up being the dumbest, I guess, per usual. |
ManabanJul 3, 2016 3:56 PM
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| Ecchi is trash, wish people who obsess over it would just watch hentai & get it over with. The story & characters (typical bland self insert for the neckbeards, boring waifu bait etc.) in those shows are shit anyway, one only watches for the PLOT. Its the lowest type of anime and gives it a bad name. |
AssumingControlJul 3, 2016 3:59 PM
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| God no I ain't ashamed of it. People that can't enjoy ecchi shows take themselves way to serious. Plenty of other anime out there to watch if its tagged ecchi, guess what it will have panty shots and gropping so move along and quit bitching. Its not like it suddenly came out of nowhere. As long as you enjoy it and its not hurting anyone physically or mentally I say keep on what your doing. Enjoy the Oppai! |
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Fabio-s said: It's a good thread, makes people think about a whole genre and how it's perceived by different anime fans. The reason I revived this was to reply to an indecent person who thought he/she could trash talk to me for free, when I didn't even addressed that individual in any shape or form before. you're sounding a lot like me right now... lol..... don't follow my example :( HyperL said: Sure, if what you only seek while watching Ecchi is material to jerk off, then yes, Hentai is better. If what you seek is more than just fap material, Ecchi is better... Ecchi/Comedy and Ecchi/Romance comes to mind... @Mamster-P, What do you take from this? i don't ever think hentai is better than ecchi... what else can i say? i run into hentai gifs all the time and they're not hot to me i don't even look at doushinjis lol i have pictures, but moving images are better Omni_slash95 said: Ecchi is trash, wish people who obsess over it would just watch hentai & get it over with. The story & characters (typical bland self insert for the neckbeards, boring waifu bait etc.) in those shows are shit anyway, one only watches for the PLOT. Its the lowest type of anime and gives it a bad name. perfect example of a closeted fan right here you're not fooling anyone.... at least not me lol, idgaf what you say.... i see right through that shit -___- |
EcchiGodMamsterJul 3, 2016 4:29 PM
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Mamster-P said: Fabio-s said: It's a good thread, makes people think about a whole genre and how it's perceived by different anime fans. The reason I revived this was to reply to an indecent person who thought he/she could trash talk to me for free, when I didn't even addressed that individual in any shape or form before. you're sounding a lot like me right now... lol..... don't follow my example :( HyperL said: Sure, if what you only seek while watching Ecchi is material to jerk off, then yes, Hentai is better. If what you seek is more than just fap material, Ecchi is better... Ecchi/Comedy and Ecchi/Romance comes to mind... @Mamster-P, What do you take from this? i don't ever think hentai is better than ecchi... what else can i say? i run into hentai gifs all the time and they're not hot to me i don't even look at doushinjis lol i have pictures, but moving images are better Omni_slash95 said: Ecchi is trash, wish people who obsess over it would just watch hentai & get it over with. The story & characters (typical bland self insert for the neckbeards, boring waifu bait etc.) in those shows are shit anyway, one only watches for the PLOT. Its the lowest type of anime and gives it a bad name. perfect example of a closeted fan right here you're not fooling anyone.... at least not me lol, idgaf what you say.... i see right through that shit -___- Oh the salty ecchi fan replies again. You just have to deal with some people not liking that genre man. Its complete shit. The problem isn't having hot female characters (who doesn't like them?) but the way its done, just childish and pure pandering. And every ecchi show is literally the same, zero effort put into them. |
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