Sword Art Online II Episode 3 Discussion

eien_kiseki said:
I have mixed opinion about GGO getting a 24episode anime adaptaion while SAO and ALO saga got barely 13 episodes each... On one hand at least they will take the time to flush out more of the story and it will feel less rushed, but GGO to me is the weakest arc in the novel series and had a very boring plot. I feel trepidation over how this anime series will be received since they are taking their time with this thing people might drop watching it out of boredom, and it really makes me sad that they didn't spend 24 episodes for SAO and ALO each = =

I mean... for me the sole anticipation of GGO is the first few moments (episodes) of Kirito playing GGO, but the plot really didn't interest me much and neither did Shinon appeal to me despite her tragic back story. Right now i feel so much anger and regret that SAO didn't get 24 episodes and was rushed to completion =(

ssjokg said:

Great point./sarc

You really think that people would always try to be heroes for strangers right?
Nice fantasy.Quite worse than Reki's writing.

7thVoid said:

Yes her case is worse but there is no reason to say that playing GGO is more illogical than skydiving.

m-i-c-h-a-e-l said:
Pretty boring episode. Zero gameplay. The flashback, meh, whatever. But why was the bank robber drooling the whole time lol

Link_of_Hyrule said:

Shit, I have a fear if heights yet I climb sixty to eighty foot trees without any gear just so I can say I can do things even with this fear. Scary as hell but it can happen. Her fear of guns isn't well defined I'll say that much. Actually her change of personality in the game for me is like a coping mechanism. She tries to fight through her pain in ggo to overcome it in real life, but when push comes to shove she's still unable to face the reality that reality itself is nothing but a cruel game with permanent consequences.

TenseiKano said:


He was obviously drugged up

Wow. People complained that Season 1 was too rushed and now they complain that GGO is too slow. Geez they sure like to complain about everything

HATUL said:


You're giving Reki credit as if he had that in mind when he was writing it. The robber's head was right next to the counter when he dropped the gun they could've knocked him out without risk.
Normally you'd blame the director for a stunt like this, but since this is based off a fanfiction novel I assume it's his fault.

Link_of_Hyrule said:

Shit, I have a fear if heights yet I climb sixty to eighty foot trees without any gear just so I can say I can do things even with this fear. Scary as hell but it can happen. Her fear of guns isn't well defined I'll say that much. Actually her change of personality in the game for me is like a coping mechanism. She tries to fight through her pain in ggo to overcome it in real life, but when push comes to shove she's still unable to face the reality that reality itself is nothing but a cruel game with permanent consequences.

Link_of_Hyrule said:

Shit, I have a fear if heights yet I climb sixty to eighty foot trees without any gear just so I can say I can do things even with this fear. Scary as hell but it can happen. Her fear of guns isn't well defined I'll say that much. Actually her change of personality in the game for me is like a coping mechanism. She tries to fight through her pain in ggo to overcome it in real life, but when push comes to shove she's still unable to face the reality that reality itself is nothing but a cruel game with permanent consequences.

TenseiKano said:


He was obviously drugged up

Wow. People complained that Season 1 was too rushed and now they complain that GGO is too slow. Geez they sure like to complain about everything

Botato said:
Your fear of heights is obvious not even a fraction as severe as this girl's is. Do you vomit and pass out whenever someone brings up heights? Of course not, because even if a fear that severe was possible, you wouldn't be choosing to climb trees everyday, would you? Stop trying to fool yourself into thinking that this makes sense; be objective and admit that it's bullshit. That is all I ask SAO fans.[/spoiler]

Link_of_Hyrule said:
I don't know man, I think maybe guns remind her of the time she killed someone. That's a horrific scene imprinted in her mind. It's not just a fear of guns.

Link_of_Hyrule said:
Dude, did you see her reaction when someone pointed a FINGER gun at her? A fucking FINGER gun gets THAT kind of reaction over a decade later?

Link_of_Hyrule said:
There are certifiable lunatics who aren't that crazy. Even if it was realistic, someone with such an incredible fear would never play an MMO centered around guns every single day and be totally fine with it! It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen!

Link_of_Hyrule said:
What a pointless statement. I can't prove that someone suffering from PTSD wouldn't take all their clothes off and dance the electric slide everyday at precisely 11:43 AM either, but that doesn't mean it makes sense and that doesn't make it good writing.

ssjokg said:

An argument full of valid points.

Botato said:
Others already argued against this and all you're doing is "LALALALALAL CAN'T HEAR YOU!! THAT'S STILL STUPID!!"

Link_of_Hyrule said:
Their arguments are ridiculous, unsupported by any evidence, and ultimately worthless.

Kitoge said:
Fudge! I'd be a proud mother if my girl shot a robber. Okay I wouldn't be happy if she killed him, but I'd still be impressed.

Link_of_Hyrule said:
I don't know man, I think maybe guns remind her of the time she killed someone. That's a horrific scene imprinted in her mind. It's not just a fear of guns.

Link_of_Hyrule said:
Their arguments are ridiculous, unsupported by any evidence, and ultimately worthless. I am hearing them fine, but that doesn't mean they make any sense. This is a laughable portrayal of PTSD to the extent of which I've never seen and I've already stated why that is so.

Link_of_Hyrule said:
That's essentially what you are saying: "If you can't disprove it, then it's legit!"

No, it's not. That is a logical fallacy.

Botato said:
Well, I can say the same about your own arguments.

fanshii said:
I love how messed the bank scene was just so Shinon could shoot the guy for trauma!11!1 drama!!11 btw SAO please stop taking yourself too seriously.

What mother would just lay there (she's only been pushed, it's not like she couldn't move) and look at her child struggling with a robber with a gun?
Also it's an universe with such advanced virtual worlds and yet the bank has zero security. I don't know if bank staff should be trained or not, so I won't comment on that.

But apart from that, I like the arc way more than ALO! I prefer watching Shinon than Kirito for some reason.

fanshii said:
What mother would just lay there (she's only been pushed, it's not like she couldn't move) and look at her child struggling with a robber with a gun?

fanshii said:
Also it's an universe with such advanced virtual worlds and yet the bank has zero security. I don't know if bank staff should be trained or not, so I won't comment on that.

7thVoid said:
I would've had the mother try stopping him from attacking her daughter then have sinon shoot blindly killing both the robber and her mother. That'd give a more realistic reason to how she is now.

7thVoid said:
I can understand that the reality of it seems unlikely but it is a show, a fantasy one at that. There are things that happen to people that can't be explained and they do things to people that we don't know about. People kill to see what it's like, some because they themselves have a fear of dying. Logic doesn't always apply to real life and very much that of a anime like SAO.

Link_of_Hyrule said:
Yes, you can. But that doesn't mean you can support that claim with evidence.

YOUR arguments, on the other hand, are basically just "Someone else debunked this already lolololol".
1. No they haven't.
2. If you actually knew how the statement was debunked, you wouldn't need to refer me to other people.

Tynker said:
I don't know about you guys, but what shock me the most isn't Sinon's reaction to guns, or her flashback or whatever. It's the fact that they have a connection fee? And the way I understand it it's not a monthly subscription. If it's a F2P, okay. But I have my doubts on this one (And I hope they can play a set amount of time whitout paying extra fee in this case). Aaaaand, all items are reset if you go and play on another game, or mmo at least. That's... this world is a real rip-off haha.

If I was Sinon, I would be traumatized by that. I may have misunderstood how it works though.

Botato said:
Because obviously what happened is a nonscary very ordinary thing for a frail woman.

Link_of_Hyrule said:

If you have to play the "not everything is logical" card to justify the writing, then the writing is bad. It's one thing to have a minor pothole or logical break, it's another thing to build the entire characterization of a lead character on complete bullshit

fanshii said:


Are you serious? Any mother would protect her child, even if she was injured and had to take on more than just a one guy. Hell, a mother would probably sacrifice herself. She wasn't even trying - even after the robber was laying. She's just watched and allowed her child to shoot a gun a FEW times.

Link_of_Hyrule said:
Yes, you can. But that doesn't mean you can support that claim with evidence.

YOUR arguments, on the other hand, are basically just "Someone else debunked this already lolololol".
1. No they haven't.
2. If you actually knew how the statement was debunked, you wouldn't need to refer me to other people.

Link_of_Hyrule said:

If you have to play the "not everything is logical" card to justify the writing, then the writing is bad. It's one thing to have a minor pothole or logical break, it's another thing to build the entire characterization of a lead character on complete bullshit

ssjokg said:

The anime skipped that she has some mental issues after a car accident.

R32 said:
I'm convinced that this show can't do anything else to make me despise Shinon more after this episode.

Sorry guys that I talked to in the Episode 2 thread, but I think I'll stick with my judgement.

Also, loving the pseudo-arguments in here. It's cute.

ssjokg said:

1.Wrong
2.But you haven't said anything to actually support your claim UNLIKE all those who claim that it is logical for that to happen.

Arkane said:


If she killed the robber AND her mother, I don't think she'd recover even with GGO... lol.

ssjokg said:
The anime skipped that she has some mental issues after a car accident.

T3hSource said:
Hmmm... wouldn't a mother be more obsessed with her child, her only family, after her husband has gone(kind of like Terror in Tokyo atm).

Link_of_Hyrule said:
Dude, how many times do I need to repeat myself until you consider my claim "backed up"? You are just straight up lying to avoid using actual logic to argue with me.

My Claim: This is an unrealistic portrayal of PTSD

Supporting evidence: The show has portrayed the MC as deathly afraid of guns, so much so, that she vomits at passes out at even the mention of them (even if it's a fucking finger gun). This indicates deep psychological trauma over ANYTHING that is gun related, especially since the incident happened over a decade ago. That level of fear is a bit farfetched, but not unreasonable.

However, if the show is going to tell us that she is THAT afraid of guns, they cannot turn around and say that she handles ultra-realistic firearms on a daily basis and is not even slight phased by it. This contradicts what the show has previously told us about the character and completely breaks all logic related to her supposed "realistic" psychological trauma. (I'm not even going to go into how stupid it is that a child would attack, overpower, and shoot a criminal; that is a whole 'nother conversation).

Happy now?

T3hSource said:
Hmmm... wouldn't a mother be more obsessed with her child, her only family, after her husband has gone(kind of like Terror in Tokyo atm).

However, if the show is going to tell us that she is THAT afraid of guns, they cannot turn around and say that she handles ultra-realistic firearms on a daily basis and is not even slight phased by it. This contradicts what the show has previously told us about the character and completely breaks all logic related to her supposed "realistic" psychological trauma. Even if it is being used as therapy, her success in the game has fail to transfer over even remotely to real life, so by definition, the game has not served as therapy at all.(I'm not even going to go into how stupid it is that a child would attack, overpower, and shoot a criminal; that is a whole 'nother conversation).