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Lestrade said: While quite uneventful this episode was very interesting nonetheless. I really like how the equality of all masters is reinforced once again hence the small number of defeated servants. Hell, if Kirei would have cared about the grail to begin with Assassin probably would have been still alive. I guess the spells Irisviel casted in the storehouse are the reason why Saber got summoned by Shiro unintentionally one decade later. Overall, this episode mainly served to give the viewers more information concerning the rules of the holy grail war but it also fleshed out Kirei's character. I think it is also the first time when Kirei is seen losing his composure. Archer certainly did a nice job in analyzing Kirei's true nature which even Kirei himself wasn't fully aware of. Everything is set up for Kirei's betrayal of his mentor now... On another note I wonder what Kirei sees in Kariya as Archer pointed out since he doesn't seem to pose such a great threat. Though, it would be convenient to have him as the last opponent to face as one could just wait until Kariya is weakened to such a extent that he isn't able to control Berserker anymore and would be an easy prey, I guess. Looks like we get to see Lancer and Caster next episode. I wonder if one of them will bite the dust seeing that it will be the last episode before the break . That, and also Shiro has avalon. Kariya is suffering, and he will likely suffer to his death. I guess that makes Kirei a sadist? :/ Yea, can't wait for the next episode.. probably some epic scramble to kill Caster for the extra reward |
| オタクなんじゃねぃよ I'm not an otaku. |
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OkaishiDec 20, 2011 3:05 PM
| Gil is such a sadistic king XD and geez he really drinks a lot, doesnt he? XP |
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| Gilgamesh you sly dog, what do you mean?? Great episode, although at this point I crave for some mad servant action!! |
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ThessDec 20, 2011 7:25 PM
| I remerber that this season has 13 EP. Gill's chessboard make a lot of hint from staff, actually I think it preview a lot of change of the relationship between master and servent. Umm..I think next EP will show stop at rider's attack~ |
| Awesome episode. I can't believe an episode filled with dialogue went by so fast. The conversation with Gil and Kotomine was really interesting. Hopefully the finale of this season will end well. |
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OkaishiDec 21, 2011 6:49 AM
| I enjoyed the episode, but then again its difficult for me to not enjoy a Fate/Zero episode, especially one with Kirei and Gilgamesh being Kirei and Gilgamesh. Season 1 has been very good and I hope they finish it on a high note. It will be painful to wait for the 2nd season though, maybe I'll read the LN but I'm not sure. And regarding Thess and Okaishi's discussion, I'm gonna have to agree with Thess, I didn't care for Last Episode that much, I thought Fate's ending was good the way it was(one of the strongest points of the route in my opinion), no reason for it to be "expanded". But I guess it was a nice treat for Saber fans. As for which girl was more suited for Shirou, it's a matter of preference... |
YunoleffDec 21, 2011 10:55 AM
ChronosXIII said: The judge gets them at the end of the War, not before it ends. And he needs to steal one because he's currently a Servant-less Master. Listen to Kirei's explanation again. If you yell that F/SN didn't had this happenning, just chalk it up to different writers.What? ALL of Assassin was killed last episode? Heh, I thought there would have been more. Holy crap, the new base looks a lot like that "inn" in Fate/stay Night. Oh damn, Gilgamesh's constant questioning finally broke Kirei's current state of mind. But...why would he need to steal another Servant? Hell, I'm just confused. A Master lost his Servant so the Command Seals should have been given to the judge who is Kirei's dad right? Why would he get them again if a Servant was the one that died and not a Master? |
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| More conversation between Kerei and Archer. Other than Rider, I'm high anticipating the events between those two and Tokiomi. |
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| All right, pictures of episode 13 . the last of the season. Nothing much to say, or see. |
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| i really don't understand why Gil is so interesting about Kirie ? |
loub31 said: Because Kirei is a sadistic bastard just like him. If you want to see what exactly made Kirei so interesting for Gilgamesh you'd have to play the VN's last route (where Kirei stops pretending and finally shows the reasons for his actions and his superhuman skills). You also have to keep in mind Gilgamesh doesn't really "love" women. He wanted Saber as an object. But he really truly bonded with Kirei.i really don't understand why Gil is so interesting about Kirie ? In a way you can also say this of Alexander and his bond with his comrades (and with Waver). |
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Gamaliel said: All right, pictures of episode 13 . the last of the season. Nothing much to say, or see. ehh!? Don't tell me that the fight would start a few seconds before the ep ends. No action does not mean bad but...I hope I'm wrong. Tokiomi's fire was shown in the OP of this season, but they won't actually show him fight. Well I hope I'm wrong again. |
ernstDec 22, 2011 9:06 PM
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
| I think the first half of this will end with a super big cliffhanger and we have to wait another 3 months to enjoy the epic fight on the river. I bet Fate 0 will have a big return and the 14th episode will be as nice as the first one. |
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Leon-Gun said: loub31 said: Because Kirei is a sadistic bastard just like him. If you want to see what exactly made Kirei so interesting for Gilgamesh you'd have to play the VN's last route (where Kirei stops pretending and finally shows the reasons for his actions and his superhuman skills). You also have to keep in mind Gilgamesh doesn't really "love" women. He wanted Saber as an object. But he really truly bonded with Kirei.i really don't understand why Gil is so interesting about Kirie ? In a way you can also say this of Alexander and his bond with his comrades (and with Waver). i don't think that kirie is sadistic ; he was very angry when Gil told him that he was enjoy to watch karia suffer |
loub31 said: Leon-Gun said: loub31 said: Because Kirei is a sadistic bastard just like him. If you want to see what exactly made Kirei so interesting for Gilgamesh you'd have to play the VN's last route (where Kirei stops pretending and finally shows the reasons for his actions and his superhuman skills). You also have to keep in mind Gilgamesh doesn't really "love" women. He wanted Saber as an object. But he really truly bonded with Kirei.i really don't understand why Gil is so interesting about Kirie ? In a way you can also say this of Alexander and his bond with his comrades (and with Waver). i don't think that kirie is sadistic ; he was very angry when Gil told him that he was enjoy to watch karia suffer he works for the Church where he isnt supposed to have such "pleasures" as Gil puts it.If you had read Fate/stay night's Heaven's Feel and/or the Fate/zero's light novel it would be more easier to understand him |
loub31 said: Leon-Gun said: loub31 said: Because Kirei is a sadistic bastard just like him. If you want to see what exactly made Kirei so interesting for Gilgamesh you'd have to play the VN's last route (where Kirei stops pretending and finally shows the reasons for his actions and his superhuman skills). You also have to keep in mind Gilgamesh doesn't really "love" women. He wanted Saber as an object. But he really truly bonded with Kirei.i really don't understand why Gil is so interesting about Kirie ? In a way you can also say this of Alexander and his bond with his comrades (and with Waver). i don't think that kirie is sadistic ; he was very angry when Gil told him that he was enjoy to watch karia suffer In short, he got angry because he didn't want to admit that's the case. People usually don't want to admit their dark side, THAT is why Kirei got angry. And, he most certainly is a sadist. That was the entire point to his character in Fate/stay night, he was in a similar situation as Shirou and went in the completely opposite path. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I swear I could feel the attraction between Gilgamesh and Kirei :D |
 ~ IA- Aria on the Planetes ~ Vocaloid V3 voiced by LiA (Clannad Afterstory, Angel Beats! theme song singer) |
| I'm slightly confused, if a Master loses their servant, they are out of the Grail War right? So then for another master to join again, wouldn't another master have died? |
zhfac said: I'm slightly confused, if a Master loses their servant, they are out of the Grail War right? So then for another master to join again, wouldn't another master have died? Kirei explained it himself, the Grail will select the most fitting to be a master, if a previously selected fitting master got his servant defeated, he has a high chance of being reselected again. Thus, everyone must kill both master and servant. If the master died, now the grail loses a fitting choice and most likely that there are no other fitting magus to be selected, thus no more new players. |
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
ssjokg said: loub31 said: Leon-Gun said: loub31 said: Because Kirei is a sadistic bastard just like him. If you want to see what exactly made Kirei so interesting for Gilgamesh you'd have to play the VN's last route (where Kirei stops pretending and finally shows the reasons for his actions and his superhuman skills). You also have to keep in mind Gilgamesh doesn't really "love" women. He wanted Saber as an object. But he really truly bonded with Kirei.i really don't understand why Gil is so interesting about Kirie ? In a way you can also say this of Alexander and his bond with his comrades (and with Waver). i don't think that kirie is sadistic ; he was very angry when Gil told him that he was enjoy to watch karia suffer he works for the Church where he isnt supposed to have such "pleasures" as Gil puts it.If you had read Fate/stay night's Heaven's Feel and/or the Fate/zero's light novel it would be more easier to understand him he really enjoy seeing someone suffer, he just denying himself |
| Assassin is really defeated this time, huh. I can only guess that Kirei likely used that one Command Spell to force Assassin to attack Rider all at once. The female Assassin's reaction in combat last episode tells me that they probably knew it was suicidal to attack the Servants gathered then, and that they had no choice but to obey. Kirei obediently ordering Assassin on a suicidal mission goes to show just how little he initially cared about the war. It appears the Grail won't let him off that easy though, with the Command Spells manifesting again on his hand. Meaning, not only is he fit to be a Master, he might have also found a new reason to claim the Holy Grail as well. Kirei coming to that realization must be due in part to Archer's short speech. It looks like we can expect a betrayal sooner or later. Apparently I was wrong about expecting Caster to bite the dust first, because he has a price on his head, but it's quite surprising that nobody's really taking the bait. Perhaps the reward of additional Command Spells isn't really that enticing, or everybody else is just too careful not to be distracted by what appears to be a diversion designed to keep them busy by hunting Caster. Unless I'm mistaken, it looks like Irisviel's preparations in the storehouse pave the way for Shirou much later in the 5th war. That would explain his mysterious and rather spontaneous summoning of Saber. |
| Really great discussion between Gil and Kotomine. I was completely engrossed. Tomokazu Seki does a great job here. |
| "This Forest isn't going to reveal all its secrets for the likes of you." |
| This episode was kinda really boring with the whole episode consisting of dialogue... :/ |
| Wait a second. Irisviel is a homonculus ? :o Ahohime said: This episode was kinda really boring with the whole episode consisting of dialogue... :/ Isn't this what makes Fate/Zero great in the first place? I personally don't really care about the battle because, so far, except the Rider vs Assassin fight, no one dies. |
Valaskjalf said: Wait a second. Irisviel is a homonculus ? :o. It's been established since episode 3. She's the Homunculus dispatched by the Einzberns in this war. Aka |
| Great episode I hope caster gets killed off in this last one |
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| Interesting to see the ties to Fate/Stay Night in location and obviously the link with Saber. Great dialogue between Gilgamesh and Kirei. Guessing the first series will end after the fight with Caster? |
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| Gilgamesh: "Then you'd better find yourself a strong Servant if you're going to fight me." *picks up his own piece* Oh, shit. |
Ahohime said: This episode was kinda really boring with the whole episode consisting of dialogue... :/ I think you're watching the wrong show. |
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| Great episode, even better the second time I have to say. As far as I'm concerned that dialogue between Kirei and Gil at the end is easily one of the best directed scenes I've had the pleasure of watching in anime. Every thing from the use of Chess pieces to show the underlining meaning to Gil's words, to denial of his nature, to how the music used and finally how the episode ended with the shot of Gil's eye. Perfect scene. As I said before, the scene with Saber and Irisviel going to Shirou's future home was cool as well. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| This episode was very interesting for F/SN readers. It sheds light on Kirie's actions in the 5th war and man I was just glued to the conversation. These last two episodes have been really good. |
Hakuromatsu said: Gilgamesh: "Then you'd better find yourself a strong Servant if you're going to fight me." *picks up his own piece* Oh, shit. Kirei can't take a hint. Another brilliant dialogue heavy episode. |
| The build up was freaking intense! Looking forward to the next episode! |
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| Wonder what Kirei will do next. |
| So, he has to steal another masters servant to renter? Hmm.... |
 "I like to expose what people hide. I'm an intellectual rapist." - Furudo Erika |
| That's the real Kirei from the VN, not the bland villain from the adaptation of Fate/stay night. And Gilgamesh stands as a noble King, who plans events in his ways. He already figures what could happen to Kirei and who is servant would be. Iris is not feeling well, that's sad, I'd love to see her drive the car again. |
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| Rather a slow episode with only dialogue though the end was rather interesting with the a new master in the game! Well up to the last episode of the first season! |
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| so ... If I understand this right he plans to steal archer? Or atleast that is what archer wanted to have happen? I was sort of hoping for a new servant to be summoned tbh but I guess I don't mind too much either way. Also recently occurred to me that they mention that the Holy Grail War is held every 60 years, was their a reason why in F/SN it was held so much earlier than that, I mean I can't remember their being one but w/e, anyways semi sad seeing this all go down. Also wondering where Shirou is, his father is Kiritsugu so did he just get abandoned? |
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Pirating_Ninja said: so ... If I understand this right he plans to steal archer? Or atleast that is what archer wanted to have happen? I was sort of hoping for a new servant to be summoned tbh but I guess I don't mind too much either way. Also recently occurred to me that they mention that the Holy Grail War is held every 60 years, was their a reason why in F/SN it was held so much earlier than that, I mean I can't remember their being one but w/e, anyways semi sad seeing this all go down. Also wondering where Shirou is, his father is Kiritsugu so did he just get abandoned? It's impossible to summon a new servant in this war. Once the 7 servants are in the war that's all you get. If you are wondering about that in Fate/stay night you'll get your answer there eventually. As well, as about Shirou. About the 60 yrs. thing that actually isn't answered until the Heaven's Feel route of the VN, if I remember correctly. Hopefully, someone can clear that up....but it would probably be best to just continue on until the end of Season 2. One of us Typemoon fans will more than likely help you there. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
Pirating_Ninja said: so ... If I understand this right he plans to steal archer? Or atleast that is what archer wanted to have happen? I was sort of hoping for a new servant to be summoned tbh but I guess I don't mind too much either way. Also recently occurred to me that they mention that the Holy Grail War is held every 60 years, was their a reason why in F/SN it was held so much earlier than that, I mean I can't remember their being one but w/e, anyways semi sad seeing this all go down. Also wondering where Shirou is, his father is Kiritsugu so did he just get abandoned? It was stated in FSN that Kiritsugu adopted Shirou AFTER the end of the 4th war. |
| Most interesting. Assassin is dead, but Kirei is still in the game. |
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| My initial impression of this series is that it definitely needs more Kiritsugu badassery. Yes, definitely. (Very cool so far though!) |
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