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RedMage23 said: after Moeka sent the D-mail, she is no longer a lab member and she also never even set foot in the lab at all.Dusk252 said: You're mostly right, but there was one exception: Moeka. There was one world line shift after which nobody remembered Moeka except for Okabe. Moeka is the only outsider but right now she is an official lab member ^.^and won't get killed by Mr.brown or Nae or suicide ... |
MorningGloryAug 25, 2011 9:28 AM
| I have one question as i don't remember explanation about it or maybe it was never explained to begin with. Did SERN have some kind of timeline log machine? if someone changed timeline, then SERN machine will log that event and also get information about that unknown user? If yes. then can you tell me where it was mentioned.. or why they need to crack SERN database and delete data in order to go back to original timeline? |
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| Heart-shattering episode, very atmospheric yet almost brutal seeing what needs to happen in the next episodes. By far one of the best of the series, and a fantastic build up for what's yet to come. |
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| Poor Mayushii having to relive the killings in her nightmares again. Okabe had it bad too. I'm glad he is still keeping it together somehow. |
| I'm glad the questions I have had for a while has been half-answered, so I would still like to know more without getting major spoils from the VN. So in the original Alpha world line, before Kurisu was murdered and before the lecture began for the first episode, Suzuha landed on top of that building in 2010. And then afterwards we see that Kurisu is unfortunately murdered and then here's the part I ponder about. Okabe sent the FIRST D-mail. I don't recall the phone microwave already being established AND about the message he sends it to. He sent it to Daru, but how the hell is he of any significance to move the world line by preventing Kurisu's death?! I've been hearing that question is really going to be revealed in the VN, but if not, then what? Second of all, back to the part Suzuha landing before the first D-mail was sent. She was time traveling, but for what purpose besides what we could possibly know as looking for her dad? Is it not to go back in time to prevent SERN from creating the dystopia? I know this would be something that's considered Beta world line since that's what she revealed, but what purpose in Alpha? Last but not least, I've rewatched ep 1 for about 4 times including the first run through to try and understand what happened. Right after Okabe met Kurisu and ran away, he received a text message before his screen went static. I cannot read Japanese yet, but can someone mind tell me what it reads if they're willing to rewatch the episode? I know this is all going to be revealed very soon, but I'd like to know this stuff before they reveal without spoilers judging from what's already aired. I know, I'm weird like that. xP |
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GigaSPX said: I'm glad the questions I have had for a while has been half-answered, so I would still like to know more without getting major spoils from the VN. So in the original Alpha world line, before Kurisu was murdered and before the lecture began for the first episode, Suzuha landed on top of that building in 2010. And then afterwards we see that Kurisu is unfortunately murdered and then here's the part I ponder about. Okabe sent the FIRST D-mail. I don't recall the phone microwave already being established AND about the message he sends it to. He sent it to Daru, but how the hell is he of any significance to move the world line by preventing Kurisu's death?! I've been hearing that question is really going to be revealed in the VN, but if not, then what? You got it wrong. The current worldline is Alpha, and the original one is Beta. The phone microwave was already being invented before the events of Steins;Gate. Daru was conducting a test run of the device by attaching his phone to it, when Okabe sends the mail to him. It's just a coincidence. Fatalism. Kurisu survived because the timeline was shifted into the Alpha Attractor Field. As simple as that. Okabe's 1st D-mail made this worldline comes true. It's the start of a chain of events that ultimately leads to SERN dystopia. Kurisu's survival is not the initial cause, but she is a much needed component of the chain nevertheless. Going by causality and the Attractor Field Theory, Kurisu MUST survive to see the foundation of the dystopia. GigaSPX said: Second of all, back to the part Suzuha landing before the first D-mail was sent. She was time traveling, but for what purpose besides what we could possibly know as looking for her dad? Is it not to go back in time to prevent SERN from creating the dystopia? I know this would be something that's considered Beta world line since that's what she revealed, but what purpose in Alpha? It will soon be revealed, I can give you a hint tho. In episode 2, Okabe said John Titor was supposed to make her(we knew it's indeed Suzuha) frist appearance on the US forums back in 2000, claiming that something terrible will happen in the future and she's here to save the world. Sounds familiar? GigaSPX said: Last but not least, I've rewatched ep 1 for about 4 times including the first run through to try and understand what happened. Right after Okabe met Kurisu and ran away, he received a text message before his screen went static. I cannot read Japanese yet, but can someone mind tell me what it reads if they're willing to rewatch the episode? It's nothing special. =X |
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| The more times I see Mayushii die the harder I laugh. :P |
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| I totally see now...but damn, now I see where this story is heading. :/ Thanks for answering my question! |
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| So Kurisu went to the place where she died maybe we will get a clue or something that could solve the problems |
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| It is possible that Suzuha is Kurisu killer from >1% world? |
PilariousD said: It is possible that Suzuha is Kurisu killer from >1% world? I think the clues point towards that. Suzuha has made it clear that she is on Okabe's side and against Kurisu. |
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| Mayuri's monologue in this almost brought me to tears. God I love Kana Hanazawa. |
PilariousD said: It is possible that Suzuha is Kurisu killer from >1% world? I don't think it's her at all. All we saw is her hatred towards her in the alpha worldline and even there she didn't take the action to kill her. In beta Kurisu dies, that's it. No time machines which SERN can control to create dystopia (maybe after years of researching and experimenting they can make it?) Steins;Gate still makes me guess >.< |
Han-yuu said: I have one question as i don't remember explanation about it or maybe it was never explained to begin with. Did SERN have some kind of timeline log machine? if someone changed timeline, then SERN machine will log that event and also get information about that unknown user? If yes. then can you tell me where it was mentioned.. or why they need to crack SERN database and delete data in order to go back to original timeline? yeah but no one but the lab members have some form of reading steiner, the ability to remember what occurs during time line shift, like the older suzuha near death, they'll just be like "did anything change? i dunno, oh well" they'll just have logs that they cant tell changed |
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bakuramariks said: I don't think it's her at all. All we saw is her hatred towards her in the alpha worldline and even there she didn't take the action to kill her. In beta Kurisu dies, that's it. No time machines which SERN can control to create dystopia (maybe after years of researching and experimenting they can make it?) But we KNOW Suzuha still travels to July 28, 2010, even in the beta world line. Okabe saw her. The reason Suzuha didn't try to kill Kurisu is because (in the alpha world line) we know that's not the reason why she traveled to the year 2010; the reason was to meet her father. "The Time Machine" factor could also come into play: you can't go back in time and change the past or else you would eliminate the cause for you having traveled back in time in the first place (it can be a bit confusing if you haven't read The Time Machine by H.G. Wells). Personally, I don't think Suzuha killed Kurisu in the beta world line either. Deep in her heart I think Suzuha knows that Kurisu is mostly an innocent victim. I'm just saying that it seems like the show wants you to think that. |
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kkmaster1337 said: Han-yuu said: I have one question as i don't remember explanation about it or maybe it was never explained to begin with. Did SERN have some kind of timeline log machine? if someone changed timeline, then SERN machine will log that event and also get information about that unknown user? If yes. then can you tell me where it was mentioned.. or why they need to crack SERN database and delete data in order to go back to original timeline? yeah but no one but the lab members have some form of reading steiner, the ability to remember what occurs during time line shift, like the older suzuha near death, they'll just be like "did anything change? i dunno, oh well" they'll just have logs that they cant tell changed okay, i understand about okabe reading steiner and lab members can remember things happened in previous time line, like Rukako remembered his past or Suzuha etc. but what i don't understand is why they need to crack SERN database? and delete data in alpha line when Okabe is planning to go back in beta line? (yeah, he stopped his plan because of Kurisu death but i think that has nothing to do with cracking SERN database) I remembered Daru hacked SERN server when they were in Alpha line (after first timeline incident). Kurisu was also there. SERN tracked their location and also what are they up to.. that make sense. BUT in beta line (where kurisu died) they didn't hacked SERN database then why he need to delete record first before going back to beta line? |
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Han-yuu said: but what i don't understand is why they need to crack SERN database? Hint: John Titor mentions "this" in one of his @Channel Posts. |
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RedMage23 said: sound like grandfather paradox but unfortunately, this Anime created attractor field and the divergence to counter this problem."The Time Machine" factor could also come into play: you can't go back in time and change the past or else you would eliminate the cause for you having traveled back in time in the first place (it can be a bit confusing if you haven't read The Time Machine by H.G. Wells). Han-yuu said: SERN is just right below their lab ...and "SERN" is not deaf since Okabe speak so loud regarding those time machine topic and those "noisy experiment".SERN tracked their location |
| Now that she's been told she should be dead, kurisu is going to have an existential crisis.. you know what that means. I dunno, I'm just paranoid. |
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MorningGlory said: RedMage23 said: sound like grandfather paradox but unfortunately, this Anime created attractor field and the divergence to counter this problem."The Time Machine" factor could also come into play: you can't go back in time and change the past or else you would eliminate the cause for you having traveled back in time in the first place (it can be a bit confusing if you haven't read The Time Machine by H.G. Wells). Um... it may SOUND like the grandfather paradox, but it's not exactly. The attractor field has very little to do with what I'm talking about. What I'm saying has nothing to do with moving world lines. Like I said, it's confusing if you haven't read the book. |
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| This episode was just really sad...): I really don't know what else to say.. |
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kusushi said: Were you Okarin, which one will you save? Kurisu or Mayuri? Kurisu <3. But I really hope He'll save them both .... |
RedMage23 said: bakuramariks said: I don't think it's her at all. All we saw is her hatred towards her in the alpha worldline and even there she didn't take the action to kill her. In beta Kurisu dies, that's it. No time machines which SERN can control to create dystopia (maybe after years of researching and experimenting they can make it?) But we KNOW Suzuha still travels to July 28, 2010, even in the beta world line. Okabe saw her. The reason Suzuha didn't try to kill Kurisu is because (in the alpha world line) we know that's not the reason why she traveled to the year 2010; the reason was to meet her father. "The Time Machine" factor could also come into play: you can't go back in time and change the past or else you would eliminate the cause for you having traveled back in time in the first place (it can be a bit confusing if you haven't read The Time Machine by H.G. Wells). Personally, I don't think Suzuha killed Kurisu in the beta world line either. Deep in her heart I think Suzuha knows that Kurisu is mostly an innocent victim. I'm just saying that it seems like the show wants you to think that. Your basically right. Even if Suzuha wanted to kill Kurisu in any of the worldlines, it wouldn't be possible because the world "planned" for her to be killed around 2036 in the dystopian future. You can't try to kill her prior to that date. The world will end up getting in the way in order to prevent her premature death. For example, if Suzuha tried to shoot her pointblank with a gun, the gun will somehow jam and Kurisu will escape. Unlike Mayuri, the world does not wish for her death just yet. So does that mean it's possible that Suzuha could kill Kurisu when the time comes? To be honest, it's not impossible. However, that's just a possibility. Much like how you can commit robbery - it's possible, but will you go through with it? I hope not. I'm surprised by how many people thinking Suzuha must have been the one who killed Kurisu but I guess the simple fact that Suzuha hating Kurisu is enough to assume so. We'll just have to wait and see for the truth... ...but heres a hint if you dare to see: |
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DesolateOne said: I'm gonna put this in spoiler tags even though it's just speculation. In Boukan no Rebellion, Suzuha tries and fails to kill Kurisu TWICE (she gets cold feet and her character won't allow her to pull the trigger). It's implied that this is in the alpha world line, but it's also not confirmed as 100% canon to the anime. I think it's worth mentioning, however. |
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RedMage23 said: DesolateOne said: I'm gonna put this in spoiler tags even though it's just speculation. RedMage23 said: In Boukan no Rebellion, Suzuha tries and fails to kill Kurisu TWICE (she gets cold feet and her character won't allow her to pull the trigger). It's implied that this is in the alpha world line, but it's also not confirmed as 100% canon to the anime. I think it's worth mentioning, however. Yep I guess that's proof that there will be some force that will prevent predetermined deaths from occuring prematurely. |
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MorningGlory said: SERN is just right below their lab ...and "SERN" is not deaf since Okabe speak so loud regarding those time machine topic and those "noisy experiment". FB is affiliated with SERN, but it would be inaccurate to equate him with SERN. He even said himself, he's SERN's cattle. |
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| i feel for okabe... he's had to ruin things that people he cares about love and in the end hes faced with another problem.. and though he's technically time leaping... hes been doing this for HOURS AND HOURS! mayuri talking to grandma just made it even worse :( in the end a wierd scene with kurisu ._. 3 more episodes.. LETS GOOO i wanna see how this plays out.. i have this anime as a 10! lets see if the ending is good |
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kusushi said: Were you Okarin, which one will you save? Kurisu or Mayuri? Mayuri obviously, since Kurisu was meant to die in the beta world line. Saving Kurisu means losing Mayuri... Like Mayuri's life is the sacrifice needed for Kurisu to live on, and vice versa. |
| Get rid of the tuturu bitch. Okabe must pick the tsundere! It's the only way to go |
| tfw no gf tfw i keep getting the banhammer on here tfw Koleare keeps banning me every other day tfw I'm misunderstood by le mod |
RedMage23 said: if you take it this way, CERN are just a bunch of scientist >.>"MorningGlory said: SERN is just right below their lab ...and "SERN" is not deaf since Okabe speak so loud regarding those time machine topic and those "noisy experiment". FB is affiliated with SERN, but it would be inaccurate to equate him with SERN. He even said himself, he's SERN's cattle. ( i just realize there is no such organization named as SERN in wiki .I think I spell it wrongly but its not an important matter lol) |
Koyomi_Araragi said: Okabe can't choose neither alpha nor beta world. So, choose gama! Gamma is probably worse than both. It's definitely worse than beta. MorningGlory said: if you take it this way, CERN are just a bunch of scientist > Well yeah, but apparently there are 300 or so SERN scientists who comprise the "ruling body" that is behind the conspiracy. THOSE people are SERN. |
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MorningGlory said: if you take it this way, CERN are just a bunch of scientist >.>" ( i just realize there is no such organization named as SERN in wiki .I think I spell it wrongly but its not an important matter lol) SERN is modified from the original french name of CERN. It stands for Société Européen pour la Recherche Nucléaire, or the European Society for Nuclear Research. =) RedMage23 said: Koyomi_Araragi said: Okabe can't choose neither alpha nor beta world. So, choose gama! Gamma is probably worse than both. It's definitely worse than beta. IMO Omega(Feiris' end) > Alpha(SERN dystopia) > Gamma(Hyde of the Dark Dimension) > Beta(???) > Delta(Harem). RedMage23 said: MorningGlory said: if you take it this way, CERN are just a bunch of scientist > Well yeah, but apparently there are 300 or so SERN scientists who comprise the "ruling body" that is behind the conspiracy. THOSE people are SERN. LOL 300. Indeed SERN is just a research institute working on behalf of the Committee of 300... It's not a spoiler pal, this shadow entity is merely mentioned in the VN as a recurring figure of the whole Science ADV series. Or perhaps it's finally time for them to show their true color in the upcoming Robotics;Notes. |
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| tension tension tension, i think it was nice seeing Mayuri's past, i feel so sorry for Okabe how must he feel after saving Mayuri's like countless times and now have to choose between her or Kurisu. |
| Mm, the smell of Okabe x Kurisu. |
| Emotional episode. Okarin went dangerously close to breaking after realizing Kurisu's eventual fate, seeing Mayuri die yet again and undoing the dreams of all his other friends. Well, many, if not most people would break if those things happened to them. The decisions he has had to make have only gotten more difficult the farther he has come, and this one is his hardest yet. Kurisu, being the smart girl that she is, would realize after his explanation that he was hesitating so much to undo the last D-mail because she is important to him and that he really cares for her, at least as much as if not more than what he does for Mayuri. Three episodes left. |
| Powerful episode and that post right above me pretty much says what I think. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Okarin is just breaking... really sad stuff... |
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| He should lock Mayuri in a room for the whole day. Mayuri and streets dont get along. |
| He really will turn mad at this rate. I really feel for him. |
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| It's been a while since Mayuri's last death and it still haunts me. I admired Okabe for not getting mad after seeing his long life childhood friend died multiple times in front of him. Aleka said: Mm, the smell of Okabe x Kurisu. Ahaha~ I feel the same as you do =) Next episode will really be Kurisu's death =( |
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| I like how dramatic this anime is getting at it's end, but I just pray that it won't get some half-assed deus ex machina ending, where he saves everyone. |
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Lang said: He should lock Mayuri in a room for the whole day. Mayuri and streets dont get along. lol this, but if he did the room would catch on fire or something since she is fated to die. xD Okabe is becoming even more broken and the whole thing where Mayuri was talking at her grandmother's grave made me tear up. "Just stay the way you are" "I always know where my hostage is" aww so sweet. T_T Okabe/Mayuri. <3 |
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| Great episode. So touching. I wonder what Okarin is going to do. 5/5 |
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