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redbrotha said: MoonFox said: Awesome ep, seemed great. But the people who he just saved seem..not to happy. So, ungrateful bastards or what? That chick didn't seem to thrilled being saved like that..guess rape was better for her. But I could be wrong. Still .. wtf Anyone would be scared if some unknown thing just vaporized people whether it's playing the hero role or not. It's a common human instinct. If there's something unknown, majority wouldn't fantasize or be amazed by it. They would fear it because they don't know what to expect next. Anyone would be scarred to death if an unknown object created a level of destruction they never though was imaginable. A parallel would be dropping a Nuclear Bomb at the Battle of Marathon and being surpised that the Greeks are running away at the image of 40 000 Persians vaporized by one 16 years old riding a talking steel statue. I would shit my pants even if the dude was my friend. |
| Really nice work alduren. I can see why none of the groups did this. The RAW on TokyoTosho in nowhere near the usual .ts standard. I'm picking it up now though and look forward to the fan made subs :P |
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ReasonDesu said: Really nice work alduren. I can see why none of the groups did this. The RAW on TokyoTosho in nowhere near the usual .ts standard. I'm picking it up now though and look forward to the fan made subs :P You can go to Lovely Anime to watch, they have a subbed version and good enough video for the bandwith |
| The expressions on their faces were priceless, and might I add, perfectly fitting for what just happened. This wasn't even an attack, it was just as Red said: annihilation. Took him 3 seconds to vaporize whole pirate fleet :D |
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alduren said: Any feedback on the v1.5 subs? About the green text on Chamber, good or bad? Font size good, etc? Like you guys know by now it's my first time trying to sub, I would appreciate feedback for next time I sub something (also, tell me if you know a show /episode that need's subs atm). Personally I was not a fan of the lime green text. Kinda burnt my eyes a little. One line in the first 5 minutes has the first few words really big compared to the rest. Some of the very first lines I struggled to read, they could have probably stayed on screen a split second longer. Not having issue with the timing further in though. Only half way through atm but for a one man effort and your first sub this is rather good. Thanks again. *EDIT* Also this http://kenitra.biz/dibetagurashi-episode-1-raw/ Can't find a decent raw though. |
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| I didn't even notice the green font, so not an issue on my front. The police may be a tad too big, but again, not an issue (and that's a pretty subjective matter). You may want to double-check your translation (or ask a native English speaker to do so) to avoid minor mistakes like where/were though. All in all, great job, especially since it's your first time translating! Keep it up! :) About the episode itself: people were totally thinking "sanctified excrement" when he dealt with the pirates. The real tragedy is that we have to wait two weeks for the next episode... |
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crevette said: I didn't even notice the green font, so not an issue on my front. The police may be a tad too big, but again, not an issue (and that's a pretty subjective matter). You may want to double-check your translation (or ask a native English speaker to do so) to avoid minor mistakes like where/were though. All in all, great job, especially since it's your first time translating! Keep it up! :) The sub was good, and I don't see the problem with the green letter and it helped highlight the AI voice of Chamber better. crevette said: About the episode itself: people were totally thinking "sanctified excrement" when he dealt with the pirates. The real tragedy is that we have to wait two weeks for the next episode... I was tending more towards the "What the Reproductive act I want to do with your sister" ... but "Sanctified Excrement" also works ^_^ Dude that was cruel. |
AnimageNeby said: Or perhaps I just watch so many anime in a season that it is hard for you not to see me ;-) since I am not sure if you also love slice-of-life, harem and fanservice anime as much as I do ;-) Ah, symbv, you're here too. Seems we frequently fancy the same sort of anime. ;-) On topic, the anime production seems to be quite ahead as it is reported that all seiyuus have done their voice-acting part for the final episode already. Of course voice-acting usually takes place long before the actual animation is done but at the very least all the storyboarding and key animation, together with a substantial amount of in-between animation, must be done first before voice-acting can start. So we can see that all the critical foundation work has finished for the whole series at just when ep.2 is aired, which is quite early. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
alduren said: Any feedback on the v1.5 subs? About the green text on Chamber, good or bad? Font size good, etc? Like you guys know by now it's my first time trying to sub, I would appreciate feedback for next time I sub something (also, tell me if you know a show /episode that need's subs atm). You did a great job. Thanks a lot for the subs. |
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| Fantastic ep, loved it. Raises a question for me though, like..just how damn strong are those space aliens. I mean shit he delt with current day human tech like...well frankly a Modern day MBT facing off against cavemen...now more like a battle cruiser fighting a turtle. It wasn't a contest, yet humanity can't even hold its own against the bugs?... wow. Still I think this might be the best Mecha show I have seen in a loooong time. |
| Such an amazing 2 episodes thus far. My thoughts on the matter of Red: Of course with the very quick annihilation of the pirate fleet, the community will see it as a threat. And with that threat comes intense fear that this man has the power to wipe out their entire civilization in a matter of minutes. So even if he did do a "good deed" to establish a "good relationship" with the people, the fact that they will have this lingering in their minds is not good. He would be in their civilization with their thoughts that he should be feared and that he needs to be handled carefully in a way that they cater to him so that he won't cross them. My thoughts are that he won't be able to live normally in this society, even just to stay until there happens to be an event that takes him back to his home time-line. (Or if they pick him up themselves in a forceful way) So despite him maybe attempting to mingle-in with them to stay, there could be a possibility of assassination attempts, alienation, and abuse (by using him for wars) Which of course could bring out a different perspective from him, thus could either end violently, or even cause him deep pain. The tension is astronomical and their views on him have completely changed. I'm excited to see what will happen in the coming episodes, but man I'm coming up with 833329837 different scenarios. It does suck that we'll have to wait another 2 weeks for another episode since this one wasn't really "released" officially yet from my understanding. |
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| that was cool shooting ppl to dust |
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| Fun episode! |
| "What color do you want to be?" -Shiina Mashiro |
Kagurawest said: He has to fend for himself so where is the order? If he just waits and does nothing until he gets some orders, I am sure you will still call him a complete idiot. As for killing human, to him it is killing the enemy because of a request from a person from the attacked side. And as a soldier this is what he has been doing all his life.Damn he's a complete idiot. First thing he is doing is kidnapping and killing. Isn't he trained to follow orders? I'm pretty sure that killing humans is a punishable act even where he is coming from. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Kagurawest said: Damn he's a complete idiot. First thing he is doing is kidnapping and killing. Isn't he trained to follow orders? I'm pretty sure that killing humans is a punishable act even where he is coming from. What orders? And I'm pretty sure the military guidebook doesn't cover the situation he's in. Besides, he efficiently and swiftly stopped the pirate attack with minimum colateral damage while also ensuring that THESE SPECIFIC PIRATES will not attack them again. Mission Success. The Kidnapping wasn't the most intelligent thing to do though, as Chamber noted while the kidnapping was going on. |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
| Red got some explaining to do next. Those lasers sure are deadly. |
alduren said: Any feedback on the v1.5 subs? About the green text on Chamber, good or bad? Font size good, etc? Like you guys know by now it's my first time trying to sub, I would appreciate feedback for next time I sub something (also, tell me if you know a show /episode that need's subs atm). I liked the green text for chamber didn't bug me at all, text size was good I was able to read everything. Thanks for taking the time to sub this. |
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Wordsmith said: Kagurawest said: Damn he's a complete idiot. First thing he is doing is kidnapping and killing. Isn't he trained to follow orders? I'm pretty sure that killing humans is a punishable act even where he is coming from. What orders? And I'm pretty sure the military guidebook doesn't cover the situation he's in. Besides, he efficiently and swiftly stopped the pirate attack with minimum colateral damage while also ensuring that THESE SPECIFIC PIRATES will not attack them again. Mission Success. The Kidnapping wasn't the most intelligent thing to do though, as Chamber noted while the kidnapping was going on. Kidnapping and loli ass touching, to be precise. Kagurawest said: symbv said: Kagurawest said: He has to fend for himself so where is the order? If he just waits and does nothing until he gets some orders, I am sure you will still call him a complete idiot. As for killing human, to him it is killing the enemy because of a request from a person from the attacked side. And as a soldier this is what he has been doing all his life.Damn he's a complete idiot. First thing he is doing is kidnapping and killing. Isn't he trained to follow orders? I'm pretty sure that killing humans is a punishable act even where he is coming from. First He does not need to fend to himself when he has a impenetrable armor to get in and move to every location on the planet. Second When a little girl runs to you accusing the attacking side as evil (can be true or not to his point of view) enemies (not particularly to him; don't get confused to their chliche evil laughs though) does not give him the justification (he is neither one of the ship crew nor one of the pirates crew side) to kill others . Third he doesn't give them a warning. And regarding his statuts as a soldier I'm pretty sure that he cannot abuse his status nor use his weaponry for killing and using self defence as justification is just ridiculous shown he is massacrating random pirates (who certainly have family too, probably living on those ships). So yeah calling him an idiot is rather an understatement. This is not his problem is priority is to secure himself and Chamber, before resuming contact wit the Alliance to be picked up. So destroying the enemies of his current guests as a way to gain their trust and cooperation was the right thing to do, not giving warming and killing them all is just a detail. |
Kagurawest said: Well, as if seeing all these people he should not at least try to find out more about the planet from those people. First He does not need to fend to himself when he has a impenetrable armor to get in and move to every location on the planet. Kagurawest said: Well, there is nothing like justification he needs. As a soldier he is trained to attack to kill. That's it. Second When a little girl runs to you accusing the attacking side as evil (can be true or not to his point of view) enemies (not particularly to him; don't get confused to their chliche evil laughs though) does not give him the justification (he is neither one of the ship crew nor one of the pirates crew side) to kill others . Kagurawest said: You are thinking he is trained like the soldier in our present days? You think he is ever trained to fight wars with other humans? His training is just to go to fight to kill as quickly and as thoroughly as possible, and this is all he knows. And given what we see in ep.1 this is all very sensible attitude to take. It is just when he comes to a totally different world that his logic no longer makes sense.Third he doesn't give them a warning. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Kagurawest said: symbv said: Kagurawest said: He has to fend for himself so where is the order? If he just waits and does nothing until he gets some orders, I am sure you will still call him a complete idiot. As for killing human, to him it is killing the enemy because of a request from a person from the attacked side. And as a soldier this is what he has been doing all his life.Damn he's a complete idiot. First thing he is doing is kidnapping and killing. Isn't he trained to follow orders? I'm pretty sure that killing humans is a punishable act even where he is coming from. First He does not need to fend to himself when he has a impenetrable armor to get in and move to every location on the planet. ANd I'm pretty sure he knows that. For water and food well he can become a pirate too or just offer to work for his earning (not as a soldier). Second When a little girl runs to you accusing the attacking side as evil (can be true or not to his point of view) enemies (not particularly to him; don't get confused to their chliche evil laughs though) does not give him the justification (he is neither one of the ship crew nor one of the pirates crew side) to kill others . Third he doesn't give them a warning. And regarding his statuts as a soldier I'm pretty sure that he cannot abuse his status nor use his weaponry for killing and using self defence as justification is just ridiculous shown how he is massacrating random pirates (who certainly have family too, probably living on those ships). So yeah calling him an idiot is rather an understatement. Red even said that it was a good chance to get some trust and leverage with the villagers. By the reactions of the villagers, killing all the pirates wasn't what they expected and that is why in the next episode Red is gonna have to explain things. You make a lot of assumptions about what a "soldier" like him should do, when we don't know what his principles are. He is trying to find a way out and contact the Alliance, nothing else, he is not trying to help those people without getting something back. |
Kagurawest said: This is quite an absurd claim to make. Why he is not doing the right thing for his country or as a soldier or for humanity? It seems that you are using the standard of the present world and its circumstances to judge how Ledo should act as a soldier. And I am not even sure where the "humanity" part comes from. As for country, well, all he knows is everything is under the Federation except for a few space nomads, and then there is the enemy. At least he is trying to adapt to the situation where what he sees does not fit into that long-held understanding he has held.Well I do understand that having a ultimate weapon can help him to get what he wants. So he is doing the right thing for himself. But he is not doing the right thing for his country or as a soldier nor for humanity itself. So I concluse that his act is ignorant and selfish. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Kagurawest said: Well I do understand that having a ultimate weapon can help him to get what he wants. So he is doing the right thing for himself. But he is not doing the right thing for his country or as a soldier nor for humanity itself. So I concluse that his act is ignorant and selfish. His country is Avalon, which was established in episode 1 to need every single ship and mecha available to fight the Space Bugs. So his priority is to return to space ASAP which requires getting some coordinates to chamber and establishing communication. So He doing the right thing for his country and the right thing as a Soldier of his country. As for Humanity itself, it doesn't matter. If He becomes a soldier from Gargantia then maybe He would have to change his ROI |
| Dat Ending! Damn this is good. I'm really hoping that this is as dark as the show is gonna get. I'm opposed to violence/gore as a form of entertainment. Its ok to use it to set a tone or to make something poignant (like was done here with the pirates). Guess i'm just saying that i am hoping for this to be a more healing story for the MC. |
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meneliksempai said: So destroying the enemies of his current guests as a way to gain their trust and cooperation was the right thing to do, not giving warming and killing them all is just a detail. I agree, plus at this point he is acting to do what he can to get home. Who would you pick to help you figure out what's going on.. pirates or the girl who actually cared enough to talk with him? I would go for the girl. I think what Kagurawest said is ridiculous. Red had to take action. |
| "What color do you want to be?" -Shiina Mashiro |
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Kagurawest said: I think to him it is either allies or enemies. At this stage he is not considering anybody from Amy down as friends or potential friends, just allies that can help him get back to his force. And for enemy it does not matter what species they are, to attack the enemy means to kill, fast and complete.I assume that his allies were always humans and his enemies those space bugs. So yeah I'm pretty sure he can distinguish between those two species. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
japzone said: It's ignorant but not selfish. Where he's from the enemies have to be killed on the spot for the sake of survival so his actions make perfect sense for him. In this new environment he has no knowledge of local customs or circumstances, so yes he's ignorant. Without knowing any better he reacts to the situation the way he's been taught and from his experience. The end result is that he vaporizes the "enemy" pirates the same way he would his space monsters. He's perfectly justified for what he did in his society, but the problem is that his current environment doesn't have a need to "annihilate" enemies so his actions are shocking and interpreted as a threat. That's the whole situation as it is now and it'll undoubtedly cause tension between him and the people of Gargantia. I could believe that there is some tacit agreement between Gargantia and the Pirates to tolerate small scale raids, and that killing that many pirates would trigger a wider war. But considering the pirates shot missiles at boats and were ready to rape the women, I don't believe that they would uphold any sort of gentlemen agreement. |
| Plus, it's not like the pirates were taking over Gargantia to hold a sewing circle. These were some bad people. We as viewers got to see the scene where one of the Pirates ripped off the shirt of an innocent girl. I think the director set that up so we as viewers don't feel bad when Red destroys the pirate ships. |
| "What color do you want to be?" -Shiina Mashiro |
Kagurawest said: meneliksempai said: Kagurawest said: Well I do understand that having a ultimate weapon can help him to get what he wants. So he is doing the right thing for himself. But he is not doing the right thing for his country or as a soldier nor for humanity itself. So I concluse that his act is ignorant and selfish. His country is Avalon, which was established in episode 1 to need every single ship and mecha available to fight the Space Bugs. So his priority is to return to space ASAP which requires getting some coordinates to chamber and establishing communication. So He doing the right thing for his country and the right thing as a Soldier of his country. As for Humanity itself, it doesn't matter. If He becomes a soldier from Gargantia then maybe He would have to change his ROI Ok I admit I do not know what a soldier should or would behave in an unknown situation. But killing is not an answer when he has no idea about the situation nor does he made any attemtion to seek for an alliance (so far the ship crew shouldn't be a candidate for seeking help with their current tech). Therefore his action to "seek" help from the ship crew by "solving" their current problem help him surely to get "help" but a very evil decision. Your problem is that you are operating under the premise that Killing is wrong, so lets hammer something here : KILLING IS NOT WRONG. The reasons why you kill might be right or wrong, the act of taking a life is almost neutral. He is a soldier and killing is what He does, War is all about killing your enemy as fast as possible. This is just what He did, so far the crew has provided no reason for hostility besides the confusion of the situation, He got information that these pirates are a threat to his sole source of help in this unknown world so killing was the answer, especially when in his usual battle setting in space He has to kill his enemies on spot. The pirates killed the crew of the small ships protecting the attacked ship and were about to rape the women, that is pretty evil no matter what corner of the Galaxy you come from. |
Kagurawest said: meneliksempai said: Kagurawest said: Well I do understand that having a ultimate weapon can help him to get what he wants. So he is doing the right thing for himself. But he is not doing the right thing for his country or as a soldier nor for humanity itself. So I concluse that his act is ignorant and selfish. His country is Avalon, which was established in episode 1 to need every single ship and mecha available to fight the Space Bugs. So his priority is to return to space ASAP which requires getting some coordinates to chamber and establishing communication. So He doing the right thing for his country and the right thing as a Soldier of his country. As for Humanity itself, it doesn't matter. If He becomes a soldier from Gargantia then maybe He would have to change his ROI Ok I admit I do not know what a soldier should or would behave in an unknown situation. But killing is not an answer when he has no idea about the situation nor does he made any attemtion to seek for an alliance (so far the ship crew shouldn't be a candidate for seeking help with their current tech). Therefore his action to "seek" help from the ship crew by "solving" their current problem help him surely to get "help" but a very evil decision. I don't think it was evil but smart. In times of war (which was what he was in while in space), you have to make hard decisions. It's a kill or be killed atmosphere. There was no time to chat with the pirates and ask... "hey what's your intentions?" |
| "What color do you want to be?" -Shiina Mashiro |
| Lets all not forget that Red has no prior experience to society, apart from reading or seeing vids that explain about it. Chamber's info before the attack in ep1 told us that he has been in service for 16 years now, which qualifies him to go to the fleet and experience the society there for the first time. given the fact that he looks rather young, we can deduce that he was raised (and probably bred) by the military, being taught how to fight from the get-go. One of his first toys was probably a life-like toy-gun. Thus, he doesn't know about diplomacy, or how to act in a society. The sole purpose for his existence, until now, has been killing stuff. No fear, no remorse. The perfect soldier. Ofc, warning the pirates would have been morally more correct. But that's what a policeman or some kind of special force would do. A soldier doesn't shout "freeze or I'll shoot", because that's when he gets perforated (or rather, blown up in this case) on the spot. Also, lets not forget that he knows what pirates are: They loot, plunder, pillage, abduct, rape and generally make a nuisance out of themselves. So he does what he was taught to do: kill. When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
Kagurawest said: By the time you used the word "evil" you are already imposing your moral standard, based on your understanding drawn from the present age and world you live in, on a character whose upbringing and moral code and life is entirely different. I would agree that killing is not an answer, but only because it goes against the common understanding held by the people in Gargantia and thus create more issues than it resolves, not because the action in itself is evil or not.Ok I admit I do not know what a soldier should or would behave in an unknown situation. But killing is not an answer when he has no idea about the situation nor does he made any attemtion to seek for an alliance (so far the ship crew shouldn't be a candidate for seeking help with their current tech). Therefore his action to "seek" help from the ship crew by "solving" their current problem help him surely to get "help" but a very evil decision. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Elite60 said: Woah, don't mess with Red and Mecha Sugita. Together, they kicked those pirate asses like it was nothing. well with advance tech anyone could do that though it was pretty cool |
Kagurawest said: That's all he has been trained to do. And in the face of the combat they are seeing, it is sensible. So there is no idiocy there. It only looks problematic when he applies the logic in this situation which results in vast overkill. And he did it because he did not know better. As an earlier post said, this only made him ignorant but far from an idiot.Hm, I see why taking action would lead to a desired outcome. But I think with his cthulu machine he can easily talk to the ship crew AND to the pirates(as he has done already by just sitting on the bench). And if and only if the pirates deems to be unworthy compared to the ship crew then he can kill some of them to scare them off. But total annihilation is in my eyes mirrors idiocy. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
simplewhimsy said: I don't see particular problem with going for the former route if we get good development of how he learns to care and think outside of his soldier training. I mean, I can already see some character depth with just 2 episodes so I am not too worried about "no real character depth". The 1-cour length of course can mean a bit of rushing but I think a good telling of a story of character progress is still possible.It's why I have such high hopes for this anime. Either this can go the froofy everyone-wins route where he learns how to care for other people and everything is sunshine and rainbows, or it can take a nice hard look into what happens when you've got child soldiers maturing into adults who have no inkling on what it means to live a life without death, with all of the psychological issues that go along with it. I am very afraid it's going to be the former rather than the latter, with a lot of short cuts and no real character depth, especially with it only being twelve episodes long. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| waaaaaaa!! it's here! :)) more more episode please!! another amazing episode ^^ RED!!! Man he's so cool! Amy is so cute ;) |
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Kagurawest said: symbv said: Kagurawest said: By the time you used the word "evil" you are already imposing your moral standard, based on your understanding drawn from the present age and world you live in, on a character whose upbringing and moral code and life is entirely different. I would agree that killing is not an answer, but only because it goes against the common understanding held by the people in Gargantia and thus create more issues than it resolves, not because the action in itself is evil or not.Ok I admit I do not know what a soldier should or would behave in an unknown situation. But killing is not an answer when he has no idea about the situation nor does he made any attemtion to seek for an alliance (so far the ship crew shouldn't be a candidate for seeking help with their current tech). Therefore his action to "seek" help from the ship crew by "solving" their current problem help him surely to get "help" but a very evil decision. Yes I use the word evil from my understanding. But I assume that the word evil ,even it is a highly subjective matter, that this understanding is hopefully shared among the forum user ( I do not really care what the right and wrong standard is by those space people except for entertainment issues). Your quote "thus create more issues than it resolves" just proves my accusation of him being an idiot right. I've called him in my first post an complete idiot because when I saw what he did was like "WTF is he doing?." I've expected more of a peacful and smart solution from a future man (like breaking the fingers of the pirate leader one by one; cruel and effective by imposing fear to them but wouldnt't be such a tragedy like killing humans who just happens to be on the pirate side) You when you think about "Future men" you seem to think about Star Trek, but the real "Future men" is the same as the future men of the past : Someone who use force to guard his values. Avalon might be an Utopia but that they only award citizen ship to soldiers proves that the Gentlemen Soldier is the only kind of future man possible,. It might have been an overkill, but saying that "humans who just happens to be on the pirate side" is just relativism their crimes. Let me say this again : The Pirates killed a bunch of people from the salvage crew and were going to rape two of the women on board. Just being human doesn't put them in any special category as some sort of protected species. |
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