Biggest life hot takes?

theres really no reason for an incest taboo tbh

so what that'd be eugenics don't u think
think Abt it weve advanced past making it illegal for disabled ppl to breed or exist right

and I wasn't even thinking about breeding just some incestuous sister action

@Zarutaku No but I could go on long tirades on how I wish I could just be a normal straight cis male than whatever the fuck I am now. This life had been pretty depressing ngl.

@traed Shush let me have my valid reason to self loathe.

@JaniSIr It's the simple truth in how I feel alot of the time. Every time I've had sex with a woman I've hated it almost entirely over the parts at play. Therefore I will not reproduce and thus loathe myself for not hitting the absolute minimum it takes to have a fulfilling life.

@Nette That sort of sad, and absolutely terrifying.

Modern birth control solves that lol. They even offer pills to underaged girls here for free without a parental notice (don't ask how I know). Furthermore, it sounds more safe and healthy cuz kids don't fuck random strangers at drunk parties.
I'm not advocating, just some theoretical thoughts...

@elgatosaika Yes... eugenics in inheriting genetic mutations

History speaks for itself, just pick a noble family at random and you have a high chance of seeing what the results of inbreeding are

theres really no reason for an incest taboo tbh

These nobles only ended up that way because they forced to keep it in the family over many generations.
Removing incest taboo doesn't force anyone into incest relationship, it just removes fear of social ostracism.

@Zarutaku Not to say it'd suddenly become the norm, but is it really bad to fear something that would likely be harmful to future offspring?

Sure it takes generations to get as bad as what history has shown, but scientifically offspring are stronger when there's genetic diversity, we don't only observe this in humans, but also other animals, just compare a puppy or kitten from a breeding farm to a mutt, generally the mutts are healthier

@Zarutaku Not to say it'd suddenly become the norm, but is it really bad to fear something that would likely be harmful to future offspring?

Sure it takes generations to get as bad as what history has shown, but scientifically offspring are stronger when there's genetic diversity, we don't only observe this in humans, but also other animals, just compare a puppy or kitten from a breeding farm to a mutt, generally the mutts are healthier

@DigiCat I don't deny that genetic diversity is more beneficial overall and that incest offspring has an increased risk of genetic defects (whatever the percentage), but if that was an argument then the procreation taboo would also have to apply to everyone with a genetic disorder because they get passed on 50% of the time (or 100% if both parents have the disorder). Should all these people really be prohibited from reproducing? If yes, then who has the authority to define what counts as "genetic disorder" because it could theoretically be any detrimental genetic trait.

Your forum signature is all true.

@Zarutaku I'd say it's a bit more complicated than that

For one, not all genetic disoders work with the 50% mom 50% dad, there's millions of combinations in the genetic code that determind how one will turn out

For 2, say 2 people with the same genetic disorder fall in love and want to have a family, if they're responsible they'll take into account based on their own experience with it what they'll pass on to their kids, now the question is should they give up on having a family because of the health risk they'd impose on their kids? The answer is no, but by no i don't mean they should have kids, but there a millions of kids in need of a loving home

I don't think it's a question of banning people from procreating, but it's a question of morality, are you going to make the kid suffer? And i'd think most people are sane enough that if the answer to that is yes they'd find an alternative

I also don't think the question "what counts as a genetic disoder?" is the right one to ask, but rather "is the genetic disoder detrimental to one's health?"

Depends on how high the risk really is.

Well, afaik a disorder is detrimental by definition, why else would it be called disorder?

@Zarutaku I don't have much knowledge on exactly how different genetic disoders work

But to use anothe type of disoder as an example, take mental disoders, so chemical imbalances in the brain

ADHD vs Schizophrenia, which is more likely to be detrimental to one's daily life?

Don't know, but I guess it depends on the individual and how well they can handle the symptoms.

@JaniSIr

How is it terrifying? It's biological imperative. Is it depressing? I mean yeah and in a perfect world I wouldnt be "gay" in quotes. A byproduct of the failings of society at large yeah but also I should have the courage to disregard stuff that is "my problems" for the greater good as well.

@Nette I can't rationally explain it, but the way you described that situation is sort of a body horror.

At least it didn't start spiralling.

@NoelleIsSleepy Ever thought about the possibility that some of the good people you mentioned are secretly the negative crazy ones? Just a hunch.

@elgatosaika Yes... eugenics in inheriting genetic mutations

History speaks for itself, just pick a noble family at random and you have a high chance of seeing what the results of inbreeding are

@Zarutaku I mean yeah, it's way more complicated than genetic disoders and there a varying levels of each mental disoder

But realistically, between ADHD and Schizophrenia, which symptoms are more likely to be manageble without outside help? Not to say they're always manageble, but more likely than the other

@DigiCat I guess ADHD is more manageable overall, but then there's @deg who has schizophrenia and he seems like a self-composed fella compared to some ADHD kids I heard of.

@DigiCat
In terms of genetics inbreeding is no different than how any genetics are passed on. Inbreeding blindly knowing nothing of genetics you have a higher chance of passing on genetic illness, but at the same time it has to be there to begin with and the opposite is true that particularly beneficial genes also have a higher chance of being passed on. And this is only compared to going at it random. These days anyone can order a genetic screening to see if they are carriers to any genetic illnesses and can test a fetus to see if it would be better to abort. If they were to actually plan to inbreed such people would be more likely to actually check this for their own genes than presumably unrelated people and if it weren't for social stigma they also would more likely test a fetus. The reasons royal families have issues is because they didnt know about genetics and inbred generation after generation after generation.

@DigiCat I guess ADHD is more manageable overall, but then there's @deg who has schizophrenia and he seems like a self-composed fella compared to some ADHD kids I heard of.

Another hot take; Not everyone is meant to be a parent and it is perfectly fine to choose not to reproduce. Especially when your reason for wanting that is "to lead a fulfilling life" whatever that means.

Children are a lot of responsibility and not for everyone.

I would also add, adoption is a better option.

@Zowabo Eh. People should only adopt if they're willing and able to deal with some serious potential mental health issues in the child. Doesn't happen across the board, but there's research and evidence that adopted kids deal with mental health shit at a higher than average rate in comparison to non-adopted children.

I find nationalism meaningless. You can't control where you are born.

That it's okay to give up. To not feel guilty saying "I can't do this." You can destroy yourself by trying something so hard and falling apart after failing. Not everyone can do everything. Not everyone can learn and have As. Run a marathon. Play an instrument. Drive a car. Anything. Fuck that "you can do it if you try hard enough" bs

That it's okay to give up. To not feel guilty saying "I can't do this." You can destroy yourself by trying something so hard and falling apart after failing. Not everyone can do everything. Not everyone can learn and have As. Run a marathon. Play an instrument. Drive a car. Anything. Fuck that "you can do it if you try hard enough" bs

No surprise: Dante's hell is a walk in a park compared to what those kids pass through at their age. I've seen a lot of this shit.
It doesn't mean they don't deserve better future. Parents of adopted kids sometimes feel like they are sitting on a ticking bomb, but with a decent effort it pays off, rest assured.

@LoveYourSmile Everyone deserves a better future. I get what you're saying, and I won't discount good can come of it. But it's also not the wonderful panacea to the circumstances people used to think it was. Not even just with kids adopted from foster care, or older kids. Even if someone was adopted at birth, can cause some serious issues. Moreso with some than others, sure. I can't speak specifically to others without making a lot of assumptions, but it certainly contributed to me being fucked in the head, lol.

Don't date modern women, they're picky as heck

@traed Not quite how it works

1) Yes genetics are passed on, but genetic mutations aren't, it's literally in the word, the healthy gene mutates, changes, and this has a higher probability to happen with inbreeding than not

2) There are also non genetic factors to take into consideration, such as the immune system, which inbreeding weakens

3) Even if you got a genetic screening and have the top genes to pass on, it'll always be healthier to pass on those genes with someone who's not related who also has those favorable genes than with someone who is related