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Apr 14, 2020 9:58 AM

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I'm stil not sure about all of this ^^'
I love the cast of Digimon Adventure and Yamato is my favorite male character, but I'm already tired of him and Tai hugging the spotlight once again.
Where are the others???
Why are we getting Omegamon so early on?
I honestly hope Sora, Mimi & Joe will be introduced soon and Izzy won't stay the support character forever. The fact that not even Izzy or Yamato were added to the iconic falling scene in the OP is also really concerning :/
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Apr 14, 2020 11:11 AM

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Yeah, this episode broke me. Probably gonna drop the show after this.

The episode as a whole was meh, but Omnimon this early, even if it's just a one time thing, is just too much for me. There was no proper build up and I was already annoyed by 1st episode Greymon. We haven't even seen Mimi/Joe/Sora yet...

The reason Omnimon is so cool in the first place is because of how he's the result of the development of the characters + a miracle. To only have the miracle part without the rest feels weird.
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Apr 14, 2020 12:02 PM

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Wth is going on? Omegamon in Episode 2? ๐Ÿ˜…
Apr 14, 2020 12:29 PM
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Hi. Don`t know whom to ask, but why this title isn`t on the main seasonal page? (here https://myanimelist.net/anime/season)
Apr 14, 2020 1:41 PM

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Amour95 said:
Hi. Don`t know whom to ask, but why this title isn`t on the main seasonal page? (here https://myanimelist.net/anime/season)

Hello! It is, but you have to tick the box that says "kids".
Even though this is a kids friendly show, supposed to attract a new generation of fans, it is also a clear nostalgia bait for older fans, so to me it doesn't make much sense having the kids tag, it's only gonna hide the show from most people who look into shows in the seasonal anime page.

For example, "Asatir: Mirai no Mukashi Banashi" is listed as PG-Children and doesn't have a kids genre tag, therefore it appears in the seasonal page. Something needs fixing for sure, either put a kids tag in that show or remove it from Digimon.
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Apr 14, 2020 3:01 PM
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I'll call it right now, this Omegamon isn't the one we know from the original Adventure, after all, he's also the one who narrates the whole thing. This is the Royal Knight Omegamon, split into Agumon and Greymon, like in Digimon Cyber Sleuth
Apr 14, 2020 5:01 PM
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Im really enjoying the action but as everyone is saying..This all feels so rushed. i wish more character lore was built up before turning into Omnimon.
Apr 14, 2020 6:36 PM
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Louro_8 said:
Amour95 said:
Hi. Don`t know whom to ask, but why this title isn`t on the main seasonal page? (here https://myanimelist.net/anime/season)

Hello! It is, but you have to tick the box that says "kids".
Even though this is a kids friendly show, supposed to attract a new generation of fans, it is also a clear nostalgia bait for older fans, so to me it doesn't make much sense having the kids tag, it's only gonna hide the show from most people who look into shows in the seasonal anime page.

For example, "Asatir: Mirai no Mukashi Banashi" is listed as PG-Children and doesn't have a kids genre tag, therefore it appears in the seasonal page. Something needs fixing for sure, either put a kids tag in that show or remove it from Digimon.


Well that is funny, because Yu-Gi-Oh, Bakugan and Beyblade are there... Do you know what can be done?
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Amour95 said:
Louro_8 said:

Hello! It is, but you have to tick the box that says "kids".
Even though this is a kids friendly show, supposed to attract a new generation of fans, it is also a clear nostalgia bait for older fans, so to me it doesn't make much sense having the kids tag, it's only gonna hide the show from most people who look into shows in the seasonal anime page.

For example, "Asatir: Mirai no Mukashi Banashi" is listed as PG-Children and doesn't have a kids genre tag, therefore it appears in the seasonal page. Something needs fixing for sure, either put a kids tag in that show or remove it from Digimon.


Well that is funny, because Yu-Gi-Oh, Bakugan and Beyblade are there... Do you know what can be done?




You need to click the "kids" box like I said, then it will show in the seasonal page. (just look at the image above)

lol that's weird, I guess someone forgot to add a kids tag to those shows, but tbh I think having a genre called "kids" is a bit stupid. It's not a genre, it's a target audience. Instead, there should be a filter for G-All Ages, PG-Children, PG-13, etc.

We're getting a bit out of topic here, so I won't say any more about that stuff in this episode discussion. I hope I helped you :)
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Apr 14, 2020 9:01 PM

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My theory is that this is the perfect set up to introduce side evolutions like Victorygreymon and Zeedgarurumon. Now that Taichi and Yamato know about Omegamon this early I bet they will try to get to this level again in the next fights. They'll probably achieve Ultimate level by half the story (Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon) Also skullgreymon could be introduced because Taichi forces Greymon into transformming into Omegamon. So at the half way point into the series Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon fuse again into Omegamon and defeat the bad guy. Then in the next arc the badguy is so strong that not even Omegamon can defeat him so they lose and die (they turn into digi eggs). After being reborn Agumon digivolves into Geogreymon instead of the expected greymon, same for gabumon. At the end they reach ultimate level and Victorygreymon and Zeedgarurumon are born. They could also show us the fusion of these 2 digimon. People also forget that Digimon can evolve into pretty much anything.
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Apr 14, 2020 9:20 PM

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I guess the new kids are gonna get on board next episode. Wait, FUSION IN DIGIMON? Idk if there is in the old one and I just forgot but damn
Apr 14, 2020 9:29 PM
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My theory is that this is the perfect set up to introduce side evolutions like Victorygreymon and Zeedgarurumon. Now that Taichi and Yamato know about Omegamon this early I bet they will try to get to this level again in the next fights. They'll probably achieve Ultimate level by half the story (Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon) Also skullgreymon could be introduced because Taichi forces Greymon into transformming into Omegamon. So at the half way point into the series Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon fuse again into Omegamon and defeat the bad guy. Then in the next arc the badguy is so strong that not even Omegamon can defeat him so they lose and die (they turn into digi eggs). After being reborn Agumon digivolves into Geogreymon instead of the expected greymon, same for gabumon. At the end they reach ultimate level and Victorygreymon and Zeedgarurumon are born. They could also show us the fusion of these 2 digimon. People also forget that Digimon can evolve into pretty much anything.


Ahaha. I meant what could be done to change the tags)
Apr 15, 2020 12:11 PM

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well uh... it's lowkey trash ?
let's see what's coming next...

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Apr 16, 2020 2:13 AM

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Ok first off, the good parts. Great fight animation for Greymon and Garurumon. The directing for the timer running to zero and the missile shooting off was decent. And kudos to the voice actors for establishing char personalities well.

But as much as I tried to "shut my brain off" and enjoy the (not as good as first ep) action sequences and directing, I just really, really couldn't. There were just too many things rubbing me the wrong way. From the plot to the character beats to the evolutions, everything felt way too rushed, even more than the last episode. And I'm not just talking about Omegamon.



For example, the framework of this episode's story and character beats was clear enough. We could see Taichi baffled by Yamato solo-wolfing, and then Taichi understanding Yamato's plan, and then Taichi nonchalantly being "coulda given me a heads up, but awesome fight!" BUT they've literally JUST met half an hour ago! This kind of interaction I'd understand from two close buddies, or heck even casual friends. You don't trust someone you met in the rush of the fight to carry out a vital plan you didn't even explain! A fight doesn't go that smoothly in that scenario! Especially when that entire sequence of events happens in less than a minute canonically!

Ok so they beat the boss. And then a reverse deus ex machina evolves the boss so things can go to shit again and so the writers can stuff another story beat in. This time, within 5 min (oh forgive me, two mins canonically), Taichi gives the "teamwork is the dreamwork" speech, everyone has a darkest-hour "believe in the power of friendship" moment, they resort to a last-ditch "this is the only way" plan, and it miraculously works. TV tropes in their purest forms. Who wants to bet we can find some of the same exact dialogue lines elsewhere?

I can rag on and on, but the short of it is, we know what all these story and character beats are supposed to represent. They're just stripped to the bare bones until they barely feel like it. None of these beats are given time to breathe, to develop, to feel real. The writers are throwing them at us one after another, and hoping that genre-savvy viewers will just get what's supposed to be happening.

Reminds me of Tri. No show should want that.



Something else that bothered me: the fact that Toei chose the War Game plot for the second ep. Because the first episode was a good introduction to Digimon for Taichi and, plot-wise, logically built up to every event. The news broadcast Taichi idly turned on attracted Koushiro's attention, who in turn filled Taichi in on the cyberterrorism/train crisis. It then makes sense for them to run to the train station, and character-wise it makes sense for Taichi to run off in an attempt to do... something to save his mother and sister, thus bringing him to the Digital World.

It also makes sense for the fight to happen as it did. The fact that Taichi pushes aside his "wtf, who are you, where am I, what's going on" confusion so quickly and just goes with the flow is understandable. He's bewildered at the monster fight, and then he's worried about saving his family, the important factor strong enough to bring him to the Digital World in the first place. Explanations can come later. (Not that the complete lack of "wtf is going on" isn't jarring to some degree.)

In comparison, the hijacked nuke just feels shoehorned in.

And really, the second episode felt like such a wasted opportunity. Taichi had just finished what he set out to do and saved his family. He also experienced a lot of new shit: the Digital World itself, a fire-breathing dragon that talks, the concept that these green flying jello-bugs can break trains and traffic lights, and "omg the small dragon's now big enough to stomp on me and why was the blue doohickey shining orange?" This would've been such a great point for Taichi to process everything that has happened and get to know Agumon. He could check how his mom and sis are doing, maybe talk it out with Koushiro, or even if the writers wanna introduce Yamato they could, and Taichi could ponder on the implications of other kids in the net and who the heck Yamato is after Yamato inevitably pulls the lone-wolf card and runs off.

Any of that would've been welcome plot points and lead to interesting character developments. Instead we got crisis "save the world" scenario that let the writers fall back on generic plot points and avoid any meaningful introspection or character interaction beyond the "hi there, how are yo--woah an emergency! let's work together!"



I could go on about how Koushiro is info-dumping impossible levels of detail at this point, or that Yamato's personality so far can literally be summed up by "lone wolf", or how Hikari and Takeru's involvement in evolving to Omegamon had horrible zero narrative buildup, or Omegamon. But quite frankly this post is too long already.

It's such a shame too, the first episode had me so excited for this reboot.
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Apr 16, 2020 2:15 AM

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Please wake me up when Mimi arrived...

cheap Bokura no War, so tired of Yamato and Tai hogging the spotlight already

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Apr 18, 2020 2:43 AM

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Yamato and Garurumon already? That feels somewhat haphazard since in the original it took quite a while before they knew of each other's existence, and then again they're the best of rivals as much as they're friends in a long bond.

Even then, for Omegamon to show up this early...what gives???

Don't know what to make of all this, but the plot better be sufficient going forward.

Apr 18, 2020 7:59 AM

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Harukaze23 said:
After being reborn Agumon digivolves into Geogreymon instead of the expected greymon, same for gabumon. At the end they reach ultimate level and Victorygreymon and Zeedgarurumon are born. They could also show us the fusion of these 2 digimon. People also forget that Digimon can evolve into pretty much anything.

Or complete new digimons never seen before.
Apr 18, 2020 10:19 AM
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I'm not the biggest fan of Omegamon in ep 2, but I have an idea on how it may be pulled off. I feel like Omegamon will stick around until the end of the arc but be enough of a strain on them that they cannot pull it off for a long while.
Apr 18, 2020 5:54 PM

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Aw, we're going to a regular Digital World next episode. That's kind of lame. I was really looking forward to a Battle Network style Digimon. Plus the internet world they've been in so far is super aesthetic. Still optimistic but I'm very afraid they're gonna fuck this up. Fingers crossed we can mark this as the first good Digimon anime in 15 years.
Apr 18, 2020 10:30 PM

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WAIT WAIT WAIT WHAT?!?!?!?


So what we get the first movie retold as EPISODE 2?!?! Complete with Diaboromon clone and Omnimon?!?!


I am really trying to judge this on it's own, but to jump evolution wise all they way to the end in episode 2 is jarring to say the least.
Apr 19, 2020 3:20 AM
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Guys Chill! This could open up for new possibilities of evolution and that's a very good about it, they could be more diverse of evolution that's why Omnimon is just a tip of iceberg. Do you wanted Greymon did fusion other than Garurumon? Or new way of evolution rather than follow the traditional one to make it more spice things up.

I don't wanted think the nostalgia from the original to make it fair to reboot one because the original from the 90s staffs/writers are long gone and we had to wait more episode to judge it, maybe you would change your perspective in this reboot later on.
Apr 20, 2020 5:28 AM
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As someone who’s only seen the original first 3 seasons of Digimon: I like this. It didn’t feel right that there was just a passive power-creep that acted like “XP”—when things are far more uncertain, and there’s lots of room for varying experiences amongst the main cast, I feel they have a lot of room for Shounen drama that is normally really predictable when it’s a game of “who’s unlocked what” and not a mixture of circumstances, emotions, and just “being a bit batshit-insane” with the writing since, let’s be real: we all know ‘what comes next and how it’s meant to happen’ otherwise.

Feeling like this’ll be a real great homage to the original that’s aimed at us oldies that grew up on the early-morning shows until it was either cut from TV or we outgrew it, and now we are down for a nostalgia trip.

But hey, that’s just my wishful thinking and there’s no way I’m butting heads with the fans around here. Whatever happens, the show looks beautiful and it’s really reminding me of Season 1 to the point that I’m hard(-pressed to criticise its choices at all yet, lel).
Apr 26, 2020 1:38 PM

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Seems like they're going for more "Life issues" than "Adventure" for this new series.

IE: they up'd the maturity level of Digimon from Kids to Teen/ Young Adult.


They're going for a more "fast paced action" rather than the old "slow paced character development" to fit the current generation

IE: video games, back when Digimon first released, it was the era of RPG, now it's the era of BR and fast pace action games. (RPG pretty much dies off now, barely any new RPG game is being developed (and I mean MMO, not single players)

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Omegamon going SSJ4 by episode 12
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Yamato's character is perfect. In the original his loner wolf shtick sorta never worked because he's so friendly in the beginning. But here he doesn't smile once, he refers to Koushiro by his last name even after correction, doesn't even call Taichi by his name (or want anything to do with him, really) and just generally unfriendly and cold. It IS odd his Crest activates though, so I don't understand how that works. Because he decided to work with Taichi??

That small bit with Koushiro shyly saying "you can call me Koushiro" was cute and a nice moment showing how much of a bad influence Taichi is on the poor boy. xD Taichi doesn't know what honorifics are! "That's your name? Cool, I'mma saying it!"

More banter between their digimon, plz.

But Omegamon? Already? Uhhhhhh... How? Why? Aren't they revealing all the good stuff TOO soon? It happened when Hikari and Takeru got their Crest (somehow), but still.... I don't really like it... (And I noticed they change is center symbol back to round from X-Evolution and Tri's redesign of it being a mix of Courage and Friendship. That really sucks.) I'm trying not to compare the two often, but Our War Game is my favorite movie so I'm highly biased to Omegamon and how he appears.

And the evolving seems to be happening just like that... Seems a bit odd; isn't evolution supposed to be difficult? This virus can do it pretty easy. Is that bit of lore not going to be a thing in this reboot? Hmmm.

Are the rest of the kids gonna get their Crests like that? Instead of it being like a gift card, it's now a free mint?

Okay, I admit, I only enjoy this episode because of Yamato. I'm starting to get suspicious...
May 16, 2020 1:32 PM

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Yamato's voice is so deep, lmao. It doesn't fit this character's age at all.

Wait, wasn't it a creature called Omegamon appearing by the end of the 2nd episode of this show...? o_0

This episode was mediocre and concentrated solely on Taichi and Yamato.

This series seems to be fine, but I will drop it. I finally understood that while I really like Digimon universe years ago, I can't get the same joy today. Maybe my taste changed drastically, maybe 2020's version is just worse than I expected it to be, dunno. Anyway, I think it us a good opportunity to introduce younger viewers into Digimon, but as for me I will pass and watch something else. ;p
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Yamato's voice is so deep, lmao. It doesn't fit this character's age at all.

Wait, wasn't it a creature called Omegamon appearing by the end of the 2nd episode of this show...? o_0

This episode was mediocre and concentrated solely on Taichi and Yamato.

This series seems to be fine, but I will drop it. I finally understood that while I really like Digimon universe years ago, I can't get the same joy today. Maybe my taste changed drastically, maybe 2020's version is just worse than I expected it to be, dunno. Anyway, I think it us a good opportunity to introduce younger viewers into Digimon, but as for me I will pass and watch something else. ;p


digimon universe wasnt actually a digimon series (it was a spin off called appmon where they slapped digimon on for branding), so if you liked that you wont like the rest of the franchise. in fact digimon universe is the black sheep of the franchise and people tend to pretend it doesnt exist.
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digimon universe wasnt actually a digimon series (it was a spin off called appmon where they slapped digimon on for branding), so if you liked that you wont like the rest of the franchise. in fact digimon universe is the black sheep of the franchise and people tend to pretend it doesnt exist.

I meant not Digimon Universe as an anime, but Digimon franchise's universe. Like, everything related to Digimon, not a particular anime position.

However, I had in mind one specific anime. My only contact with Digimon before checking out this 2020's version was Digimon Adventure ( https://myanimelist.net/anime/552/Digimon_Adventure ) and that I had in mind. Sorry for causing a misunderstanding. I didn't know that something like "Digimon Universe" existed, to be honest. ;p That's why my post could've confused people familiar with this franchise, as if I was not talking about the franchise as a whole, but about that one particular anime.
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The appearance of Omegamon so soon does definitely raise warning bells in my head, although I do feel they do deserve some credit by tying it directly into their siblings crests rather than making it on their own power.

My real issue though is how with a higher reliance on the crests as a power source how Yamato actually managed to evolve his Digimon, or do they plan on leaving that as a gaping plot hole? That's honestly a great place to come back and revisit and use to develop the characters, but it could just as easily become overlooked.
Sep 16, 2020 1:21 PM

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Wow. This was Bruh moment. I guess we get remake of movie before Digimon adventures starts?
Jan 6, 2021 12:42 AM

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Thought I was watching the War Game movie for a minute there. Can't say I didn't see that one coming though. Situation gets worse and only Taichi and Matt are present? Who could it be other than Omegamon to save the day.
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Well, that was fast. Omegamon in the second episode.

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omnimon/omegamon ep 2? lol

Matt's voice seems okay, and loved that this was a Garurumon heavy ep, howling blaster...what a guy!

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