| I want recommendations since moe anime and/or fanservice seems to be all over the place now. I mean things on the level of cult classics. Animes and manga I liked: Shinseiki Evangelion being an all time favourite (despite its fanservice that wasn't too much), Lain, Monster, Boogiepop Phantom, FLCL, Petshop of Horrors, Paranoia Agent, Kemonozume and Noein (both mostly for the experimental animation style which I loved, still good plots IIRC). |
damicoreJul 25, 2017 8:21 PM
| I think you would like Ergo Proxy, it fits the bill I'd say. Oh, and wrong forum, this should be in the "anime and manga recommendations" forum, or thread, or whatever you call it. |
QuiGonJonNov 8, 2012 10:26 AM
 If you really want to fit in, just put Legend of the Galactic Heroes in your top 5 and have it be the only 10-rated anime in your list. |
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| Not sure what you have and have not seen so might have already seen them but two I can think of that you might like are: - Baccano! (unique way of telling the story, very good anime which might seem rather random at first but everything does happen for a reason and once you can understand how the story is being told it makes everything extremely interesting however explaining why it seems random at first would ruin half the fun. Very cool anime in general, however not much of a mind fuck, might appear to be that way at first but as stated earlier everything does happen for a reason) - Kurozuka (this is more of a mind fuck, atleast in my opinion, was pretty good however I for one never really got in to it that much. If you are looking for a mind fuck with no fanservice or moe though this might be good, it certainly has a dark atmosphere through out the entire anime.) |
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Laniaka said: Shoujo Kakumei Utena I was going to say this, so I'm seconding this with a passion. No moe, no fanservice AT ALL. You liked Evangelion and it's similar in that it is also a deconstruction series. |
| Higurashi - Character design is moe, but thats actually a pro for the mind fucks. Texhnolyze - some people find it to be a mind fucker. Great series. Nijigahara Holograph - manga Liar Game - manga |
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| If you have time, check out the list of the club. http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=1475 |
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| Texhnolyze might suit you. Plus it has a brilliant ending. |
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Holybaptiser said: Higurashi - Character design is moe, but thats actually a pro for the mind fucks. Texhnolyze - some people find it to be a mind fucker. Great series. Nijigahara Holograph - manga Liar Game - manga Higurashi is the exact thing he's NOT looking for and I'm sure that when he specified "no moe or fanservice but still a mindfuck" he had series like Higurashi, Elfen Lied, and Madoka in mind as the types he did not want. He's looking for more than just "It's cute art and bloody so that makes it a mind-fk!" |
Amberleh said: Higurashi is a mind fuck simply because its cute and bloody, and not because of the way the mystery is presented? Ok.... You might wanna put some real thought into what you watch, because I can't take you seriously.Holybaptiser said: Higurashi - Character design is moe, but thats actually a pro for the mind fucks. Texhnolyze - some people find it to be a mind fucker. Great series. Nijigahara Holograph - manga Liar Game - manga Higurashi is the exact thing he's NOT looking for and I'm sure that when he specified "no moe or fanservice but still a mindfuck" he had series like Higurashi, Elfen Lied, and Madoka in mind as the types he did not want. He's looking for more than just "It's cute art and bloody so that makes it a mind-fk!" Edit - It's nowhere to be found on your list, so you're simply just presuming things, so my question for you is, how would you know enough about it to say its exactly not what he's asking for? |
HolybaptiserNov 8, 2012 12:56 PM
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
| So help me God if anyone says Psycho-Pass. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| Another one for Texhnolyze, watching right now and it seems to be what you want |
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| Paprika |
Nordhau5 said: So help me God if anyone says Psycho-Pass. No mindfuck and only 5 episodes, why would anyone? Watch Kaiba. |
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Holybaptiser said: Amberleh said: Higurashi is a mind fuck simply because its cute and bloody, and not because of the way the mystery is presented? Ok.... You might wanna put some real thought into what you watch, because I can't take you seriously.Holybaptiser said: Higurashi - Character design is moe, but thats actually a pro for the mind fucks. Texhnolyze - some people find it to be a mind fucker. Great series. Nijigahara Holograph - manga Liar Game - manga Higurashi is the exact thing he's NOT looking for and I'm sure that when he specified "no moe or fanservice but still a mindfuck" he had series like Higurashi, Elfen Lied, and Madoka in mind as the types he did not want. He's looking for more than just "It's cute art and bloody so that makes it a mind-fk!" Edit - It's nowhere to be found on your list, so you're simply just presuming things, so my question for you is, how would you know enough about it to say its exactly not what he's asking for? You didn't look at my list very hard- It's there. Also, I happen to have a weaboo sister and a friend both of whom were obsessed with Higurashi so, unfortunately, I know FAR more about it than I care to and have seen more than even my list presents, but I didn't feel the need to add in that I had seen more episodes when I saw random out of order episodes in addition to the 8 consecutive ones I watched. I know it's not what he wants because he specified "Mind fk with no moe". For someone to specify that, wouldn't you assume that he had a couple series in mind that he did NOT want recs for? And I'm pretty sure that the most well-known moe mind fk series are Higurashi, Elfen Lied, and Madoka, so it's very safe to assume that it isn't what he wanted. |
AmberlehNov 8, 2012 1:53 PM
| Perfect Blue would fit nicely. There is a touch of fanservice, but it's not really meant to titillate - I can't really say more without spoiling it. |
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Amberleh said: Considering how I mentioned that the character design is moe, it's up to the op as to whether or not he wants to check it out. No point in you saying anything, especially when you have nothing to recommend.Holybaptiser said: Amberleh said: Higurashi is a mind fuck simply because its cute and bloody, and not because of the way the mystery is presented? Ok.... You might wanna put some real thought into what you watch, because I can't take you seriously.Holybaptiser said: Higurashi - Character design is moe, but thats actually a pro for the mind fucks. Texhnolyze - some people find it to be a mind fucker. Great series. Nijigahara Holograph - manga Liar Game - manga Higurashi is the exact thing he's NOT looking for and I'm sure that when he specified "no moe or fanservice but still a mindfuck" he had series like Higurashi, Elfen Lied, and Madoka in mind as the types he did not want. He's looking for more than just "It's cute art and bloody so that makes it a mind-fk!" Edit - It's nowhere to be found on your list, so you're simply just presuming things, so my question for you is, how would you know enough about it to say its exactly not what he's asking for? You didn't look at my list very hard- It's there. Also, I happen to have a weaboo sister and a friend both of whom were obsessed with Higurashi so, unfortunately, I know FAR more about it than I care to and have seen more than even my list presents, but I didn't feel the need to add in that I had seen more episodes when I saw random out of order episodes. I know it's not what he wants because he specified "Mind fk with no moe". For someone to specify that, wouldn't you assume that he had a couple series in mind that he did NOT want recs for? And I'm pretty sure that the most well-known moe mind fk series are Higurashi, Elfen Lied, and Madoka, so it's very safe to assume that it isn't what he wanted. |
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
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Holybaptiser said: Amberleh said: Considering how I mentioned that the character design is moe, it's up to the op as to whether or not he wants to check it out. No point in you saying anything, especially when you have nothing to recommend.Holybaptiser said: Amberleh said: Higurashi is a mind fuck simply because its cute and bloody, and not because of the way the mystery is presented? Ok.... You might wanna put some real thought into what you watch, because I can't take you seriously.Holybaptiser said: Higurashi - Character design is moe, but thats actually a pro for the mind fucks. Texhnolyze - some people find it to be a mind fucker. Great series. Nijigahara Holograph - manga Liar Game - manga Higurashi is the exact thing he's NOT looking for and I'm sure that when he specified "no moe or fanservice but still a mindfuck" he had series like Higurashi, Elfen Lied, and Madoka in mind as the types he did not want. He's looking for more than just "It's cute art and bloody so that makes it a mind-fk!" Edit - It's nowhere to be found on your list, so you're simply just presuming things, so my question for you is, how would you know enough about it to say its exactly not what he's asking for? You didn't look at my list very hard- It's there. Also, I happen to have a weaboo sister and a friend both of whom were obsessed with Higurashi so, unfortunately, I know FAR more about it than I care to and have seen more than even my list presents, but I didn't feel the need to add in that I had seen more episodes when I saw random out of order episodes. I know it's not what he wants because he specified "Mind fk with no moe". For someone to specify that, wouldn't you assume that he had a couple series in mind that he did NOT want recs for? And I'm pretty sure that the most well-known moe mind fk series are Higurashi, Elfen Lied, and Madoka, so it's very safe to assume that it isn't what he wanted. I did. I mentioned Revolutionary Girl Utena. You don't spend too much time reading do you? =) It's also not just the character design that is moe in Higurashi- It's just a moe series in general. On that note, I'll second Perfect Blue and Paprika. Another one you should consider is Angel's Egg. |
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Eh, fair enough. And higurashi isn't on your list btw. |
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
Holybaptiser said: Eh, fair enough. And higurashi isn't on your list btw. Ever bother to check people's dropped list? |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: I'm trying to bury this stupid argument and yeah I looked, but it can be hard to notice things on a phone. Shoot me.Holybaptiser said: Eh, fair enough. And higurashi isn't on your list btw. Ever bother to check people's dropped list? |
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
| I personally agree with Holybaptiser here. Yeah, Higurashi is "moe" but to write off something just because of that is, well, I'll just say there is much more to Higurashi than that. I'll recommend that the OP give AT LEAST the first 4 episodes a try, who knows? He may like it. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Sigh...OP obviously doesn't know the definition of moe and fanservice. His first post is also very hypocritical. Moe and fanservice doesn't make an anime bad and lack of it doesn't make an anime good. Anyways try Mushishi. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| Mabye RahXephon? |
| Revolutionary Girl Utena is my pick, one of the best animes i have ever seen. |
| Alright Nobunaga, try: Akira Cowboy Bebop Ghost in the Shell Kara no Kyoukai Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica - sure it may seem incredibly moe, but that's what makes it such a weird anime. Its actually pretty dark and that contrasting cute moe exterior just adds to the atmosphere. Other anime that follow this pattern would be: Higurashi no Naku Koro ni and Mawaru Penguindrum. Millennium Actress Mushishi Paprika Perfect Blue Tamala 2010: A Punk Cat in Space |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Nordhau5 said: So help me God if anyone says Psycho-Pass. No mindfuck and only 5 episodes, why would anyone? Because it is a self-proclaimed "mature, moe free, fan-service free, mind-fuck" anime. Nobody has suggested it though, so my faith in malmanity has been restored. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
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Nordhau5 said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: Nordhau5 said: So help me God if anyone says Psycho-Pass. No mindfuck and only 5 episodes, why would anyone? Because it is a self-proclaimed "mature, moe free, fan-service free, mind-fuck" anime. Nobody has suggested it though, so my faith in malmanity has been restored. OP should watch Psycho Pass. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Nordhau5 said: |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| Neon Genesis Evangelion didn't have moe? Why is Rei Ayanami one of the most fetishized and imitated moe characters of all time? Revolutionary Girl Utena doesn't have fanservice? Did everybody miss all the gratuitous shirtless pretty-boy scenes? And FLCL had its fair share of moe and fanervice as well, being from Gainax and all. Lain Iwakura could also be considered moe. m_c093 said: I'd say it's even more moe than its alleged spiritual predecessor, Neon Genesis Evangelion. Look at the character types in Ayato's harem: a Cool Older Woman who's introduced via Sudden Girlfriend Appearance (and has "adult child" moe moments), a jealous/tsundere non-related little sister character, a kinda-related "innocent fanservice girl," and a schoolmate/childhood friend with a dark secret. While the visual fanservice is mild (primarily based on Megumi wearing the same tube top in practically every episode), RahXephon does manage to string together two beach/swimsuit episodes in a row. It's basically a moe harem comedy with secondary mecha/war/philosophical elements, though much of the comedy is unintentional.Mabye RahXephon? But to be positive for a moment, I do recommend Haibane Renmei, whose original story was by the character designer of Lain and Texhnolyze. It's not exactly a mind fuck, but it is thought-provoking, and there's only as much moe as one is willing to look for -- in general, not very much. |
| Better late than never and just to back up the others who already suggested it, here's my personal recommendation on what I consider to be a potential classic: Kara no Kyoukai: The Garden of Sinners - A 7-part film series along with a 30-minute Epilogue. Personally my most favorite anime of all time and one of the only few that I actually consider to be a true masterpiece. It's supernatural/mystery/action/thriller/romance all wrapped up in one. It has a very compelling, intelligent, and most of all an emotional story. Not to mention it has a great soundtrack and also beautiful animation. The story is about two main characters, ordinary high school boy Kokutou Mikiya and how he meets an eccentric girl called Ryougi Shiki. Just as Mikiya gets close with Shiki, mysterious murders begin to occur in the city and they both get caught in an incident, causing Shiki to become hospitalized. Upon recovering from her 2-year coma, Shiki discovers that an inner power has awakened inside of her. Both Shiki and Mikiya are then employed by a magus/sorceress called Aozaki Touko to help investigate the baffling mystery behind a series of supernatural incidents occurring in the city. You should know that the first 4 films are out of order and it's done on purpose since you're meant to piece the story together like that. Also it's best to take the series this way: the Movies 1-4 is meant to be Act I while Movies 4-5 is meant to be Act II and finally, Movies 6-Epilogue is Act III. |
| Mawaru Penguindrum anyone? There wasn't a single episode that didn't cause a mindfuck in the end. At least for me it was probably the most random/minfuck anime I've seen yet. |
Zalis said: Neon Genesis Evangelion didn't have moe? Why is Rei Ayanami one of the most fetishized and imitated moe characters of all time? Revolutionary Girl Utena doesn't have fanservice? Did everybody miss all the gratuitous shirtless pretty-boy scenes? And FLCL had its fair share of moe and fanervice as well, being from Gainax and all. Lain Iwakura could also be considered moe. Rei Ayanami is one of the most fetishized characters of all time because the so called fans never got anno's point. And that's for the whole series. She was not meant to be moe at all, she was turned into that by a braindead fandom and then her character was copied for the nth time. Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I watched higurashi in 2008 but it wasn't really that groundbreaking. I don't know, and the moe seemed totally unnecesary. You could make the girls nice people without turning the into retarded moe clichés. But then again, Higurashi is originally a VN. I'm already putting up with the moe in Ever17: The out of inifinity (a VN). I've watched paprika and really liked it. The same goes for akira. I was meaning to watch tatami galaxy, this may be the push I needed for them. I'm sorry j0x but gurren lagan is not really my thing, I tried watching it twice. The clichéd characters everywhere killed the show for me. The badass, the retarded kid, the girl with boobs and gunz! I know some of it was meant to be humorous, but it didn't seem funny at all to me, the overused archetypes were still there and were infuriatingly obnoxious. Sigh...OP obviously doesn't know the definition of moe and fanservice. His first post is also very hypocritical. Moe and fanservice doesn't make an anime bad and lack of it doesn't make an anime good. Anyways try Mushishi. First thanks for the recommendation, I will definitely try it. It's already been recommended by a friend. Now could you tell me what I don't know about what moe is? You say this like it was a super deep trait of japanese culture. I don't know what fanservice is? Come on, we all know what it is, it's those parts of the show that make you go "Why on earth did they have to add this to the show? It totally snapped me out of the story and looks forced and horrendous. Oh japan, you so silly sometimes." And why, exactly, am I hypocritical? |
damicore said: Now could you tell me what I don't know about what moe is? You say this like it was a super deep trait of japanese culture. I don't know what fanservice is? Come on, we all know what it is, it's those parts of the show that make you go "Why on earth did they have to add this to the show? It totally snapped me out of the story and looks forced and horrendous. Oh japan, you so silly sometimes." And why, exactly, am I hypocritical? Rofl. Putting fanservice aside (which is also more complicated than you think), you obviously have the wrong impression of moe. But then again most western fans use it like you do: Just calling everything they don't like ('Why on earth did they have to add this?') moe, while actually it's the other way round. Moe is different for each person and encompasses the characters, actions and ideals you're passionate about in anime (vaguely defined). That can be K-On or Kaiji. As for you being hypocritical, I'd attribute that claim to you combining your un-knowledge of what moe means with the claim that good series cannot include it and only without moe can anything ever become a cult classic. Also the already mentioned fact that the series in your starting post do include moe elements. But I guess the NGE fanboys always know how to make everything adjust to their worldview? See your paragraph about NGE not being moe. This post is of course assuming you're actually interested and it wasn't a purely rhetorical question in order to make your point about what moe has to be. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: damicore said: Now could you tell me what I don't know about what moe is? You say this like it was a super deep trait of japanese culture. I don't know what fanservice is? Come on, we all know what it is, it's those parts of the show that make you go "Why on earth did they have to add this to the show? It totally snapped me out of the story and looks forced and horrendous. Oh japan, you so silly sometimes." And why, exactly, am I hypocritical? Rofl. Putting fanservice aside (which is also more complicated than you think), you obviously have the wrong impression of moe. But then again most western fans use it like you do: Just calling everything they don't like ('Why on earth did they have to add this?') moe, while actually it's the other way round. Moe is different for each person and encompasses the characters, actions and ideals you're passionate about in anime (vaguely defined). That can be K-On or Kaiji. As for you being hypocritical, I'd attribute that claim to you combining your un-knowledge of what moe means with the claim that good series cannot include it and only without moe can anything ever become a cult classic. Also the already mentioned fact that the series in your starting post do include moe elements. But I guess the NGE fanboys always know how to make everything adjust to their worldview? See your paragraph about NGE not being moe. This post is of course assuming you're actually interested and it wasn't a purely rhetorical question in order to make your point about what moe has to be. We're talking about moe in the anime culture not as a japanese slang isolated from that culture. Moe is different for each person and encompasses the characters, actions and ideals you're passionate about in anime (vaguely defined). That can be K-On or Kaiji. Then you're saying everything can be moe, everything from Adam from NGE to Konata is? I think you're the one looking for far fetched explanations of why you enjoy something like moe. "Moe fanboys always know how to make everything adjust to their worldview". See? I can do that too! |
damicore said: We're talking about moe in the anime culture not as a japanese slang isolated from that culture. Moe is different for each person and encompasses the characters, actions and ideals you're passionate about in anime (vaguely defined). That can be K-On or Kaiji. Then you're saying everything can be moe, everything from Adam from NGE to Konata is? I think you're the one looking for far fetched explanations of why you enjoy something like moe. "Moe fanboys always know how to make everything adjust to their worldview". See? I can do that too! Well, the thing is that Higashi is right. Moe isn't an all-encompassing word for things that are cute - it's for things that elicit a passionate and possibly protective response from you. So yes, everything can be moe. I've known more than one Kaiji fan to say he's moe, but it's not something I personally would ever apply to it ... so Moe is also a very personal term. What's moe is different for every person. |
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Sweetpea said: damicore said: We're talking about moe in the anime culture not as a japanese slang isolated from that culture. Moe is different for each person and encompasses the characters, actions and ideals you're passionate about in anime (vaguely defined). That can be K-On or Kaiji. Then you're saying everything can be moe, everything from Adam from NGE to Konata is? I think you're the one looking for far fetched explanations of why you enjoy something like moe. "Moe fanboys always know how to make everything adjust to their worldview". See? I can do that too! Well, the thing is that Higashi is right. Moe isn't an all-encompassing word for things that are cute - it's for things that elicit a passionate and possibly protective response from you. So yes, everything can be moe. I've known more than one Kaiji fan to say he's moe, but it's not something I personally would ever apply to it ... so Moe is also a very personal term. What's moe is different for every person. Search for the moe in your heart. Now, honestly though, moe IN PRACTICE ends being just to make characters and stuff LOOK cute and adorable, to get the audience passionate/protective about a character without doing any genuine character development. A great description from a guy at other forum. I obviously meant moe as Konata, K-on and retarded things like those. Whenever I see a young girl talking like a baby I don't want to hear anymore of whatever she has to say (if she has anything to say at all, that is). As for Kaiji being moe or not or Rei being moe for some otakus with far-fetched asceptions of the word, I don't care either. Those characters were properly developed; they didn't become likeable for a bunch of otakus because they spoke like 8 year olds and spout lines like "please, takepyon oniichan, be gentle with me". THAT's where the difference lies. |
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| This is absurd. You all know exactly what he means by moe and that he clearly doesn't like it. Every person has unique likes and dislikes, why is he not allowed to dislike Higurashi and other things just on the premise that it has what most people would perceive as moe (myself included)? WHY on earth are you all just arguing for the sake of argument over what moe actually means? YOU KNOW WHAT HE MEANT. HE DOESN'T LIKE IT. Case closed. It's really easy to NOT recommend him that stuff because you know what series have it. On a side note, however- I don't think you were watching Gurren Lagann properly. Did you know that it is made by the same studio as Evangelion and is meant to be a DIRECT COUNTER to it? Where Evangelion deconstructs the mech genre using purposely cliched characters, Gurren Lagann RECONSTRUCTS it using cliched character types- all completely intentional. You kind of have to know that to appreciate it. =) But if you don't like it then you don't like it. |
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