Anime Tourism

He's also an anime tourist, so I don't know why you would share his video on this topic.

For me everyone that like watching anime no matter what they watch and does not force themselves in to something they does not like, and also respects the history of anime are anime fans for me.

Also with their mentality I would say these people calling people tourists are also tourists themselves:
-Cannot differentiate demographic from it's actual genre/theme (which is basic thing to learn)
- Does not know basic anime behind the scenes things and also staff roles
- Does not know about manga magazines
- Does not know some of the biggest anime series that are in Japan such as detective conan, lupin the 3rd, gintama etc.
- Cannot defricate art from animation

Yet I don't do these things because for the things I have mentioned above.

@jacobPOL

There is no such English word as "defricate".

And judging by your three posts in a row it seems you are taking this a bit too seriously and personally.

I've seen plenty like this and almost finished watching his. Let's just hope Rental Family the Brendan Fraser live action doesn't make people complain about rental families, sigh, can't wait for that on Twitter.

I hate social fads, or emotional/moral garbage so to me it's annoying. I dig deeper into the medium so I don't see the social media nonsense, I don't watch seasonal anime, I just buy the blu-rays of those interested in and move on, spend lots on manga and visual novels.

I don't always care for the community aspect (I look from time to time), so I end up not hearing things unless I actively care to so to me it's experience a medium and move on then hearing all the noise about it even if I do in some way from algorithms regardless.

I've seen Yuri anime, not Yaoi, Fudanshi and more. But how many people have that complain about this stuff? I just take a look for perspective first, for research, not go oh that's weird.

I learnt this medium from scratch in 2014, how anime fans would want, like any other newcomer, did so EDM. But yeah tourists just have their values and seem to miss the point of any sub culture/or other region's entertainment.

Then again how many people have seen Yuri, Yaoi, H-anime and still put on the 'I'm able to talk pure' (insert anime youtubers here). I get context to talk about somethings and flip flop based on relevant times but sometimes they do go 'oh that's weird' and I'm like? You have seen more then this? So why are you saying that's weird, when you have seen more, don't put your moral standing now. XD It just annoys me.

I can say I've seen worse, doesn't mean I'm praising it, it means I may not agree with it either but I'm not downplaying it at all if it fits it's dark important themes to cover at all, if it has relevance. Fetish sure take or leave, but contextual purpose to cover a theme/tone/etc. sure it has a place not a 'get it away I don't want to think or see it' kind of childish way and hide from it.

We may not like things but showcasing it in a fair way is fair to do so not wave away because it's too much for people to handle if it has a place for those who are open to understanding from another perspective not a get it away from me perspective like simple minded emotional stupid people then intelligent people who take a step back, think up scenarios/perspectives or understand what someone/some character is experiencing and think for more then 2 seconds not immediate reaction as if their reactions and their speaking need to be out quickly or they think your weird.

I only see it from other creators who talk about it really, but it's still annoying to hear/see, especially if you walk past products, serve people or otherwise with the merch/clothes, etc. and see the same narrow view surface level brained people get the same few mainstream IPs and your busy getting the more anime fan/under surface level stuff that is sold, not going for the merch or the mainstream manga/anime but just the main sources of things you want of an IP.

To me more audiences is 'fine' but it's the social aspects I get why it gets to people or it's a trend/people who catch things, and we aren't chasers, we actually care about the medium, they don't, so it's just annoying and boring.

I get the angle he is covering it from. Like from a audience size/business standard point sure more money, but it's funded to the same studios, the same IPs, the main spin offs, the few times we get niche ones, anime not as much.

But for gaming I get so annoyed and just give up, or on occasion get the niche ones that I know will flop but still wanted to fund them in some way (within reason, if I can tell then yeah I won't buy for full price or anything).

But like I thought (I don't care for mainstream anime, but I still respect what exists even if I dig deep), I started with anime in 2014, same as EDM the same time, same with expanding to other game genres even though been gaming for years so I have the different levels of those things for sure, I learnt the community terms, I pushed to understand genres/tropes, what boundaries anime covers of ecchi or other things, for context. Not moral/social complaining like many normal people would.

Not complain like a toddler about this social thing, this cultural difference, this misunderstanding of culture/fiction about media from somewhere else. No wonder they had to localise some things to jelly doughnuts let alone cut so much let alone differences nowadays.

Then again there is people that 'play pure' or 'still show off degenerate stuff' so they flip flop for views. It may be themselves but in some cases it is still for views, regardless of set for each video. It makes things awkward.

Like Joey's Nirvana T-shirt analogy on Trash Taste months ago (I dropped off their podcast anyway the flip flopping and eh content just wasn't worth it anymore I only dip in and out of some videos from them), to me I feel the same. While I myself don't care, it does make it hard to talk to people about a sub culture when they really aren't approachable, which is hard to communicate to people that don't get that and think oh it's easy to make friends, not when you dig deep into a medium it's not.

But that's the thing, getting people to do that besides their original values, rather then another country's or other entertainment sub culture ones, you can't get many people to do that. There is normalising, but there is also context/understanding, not just oh I think these values/morals, get emotional/stick to the immediate social standing.

But also from a business stand point as well, you have 'they will only fund the surface level/mainstream' I've seen enough companies only focus on theose, sometimes branch out/revive certain things and even then the modernising or the safe IPs to revive is just boring, let alone the new IPs.

Some companies do push for a niche to expand with a budget but still add a formula to them, others do a fair job reviving it, others can't even have the brain power to modernise it in a fair way (more so game mechanics I'm referring to not just modernising for modern culture nonsense purposes but I mean games simplify themselves these days so who am I kidding sigh).

He's also an anime tourist, so I don't know why you would share his video on this topic.

@Suntanned_Duck2


Has anyone actually read this?

Anime tourism discourse is tiresome. Yes what theanimemen did is bad but do we really have to call everyone tourists that have opposing opinion as the other people? this is just immature.

@ktg
He was pretty based in his history as he played a lot of eroge, and was known for liking Oshino Shinobu.

As for the tourist issue.
I think the real tourists to worry about the ones paying companies to push their propaganda. I doubt anime directors and mangakas give a single care about what your average anime tourist says.

Not like I follow any Anitubers... but the dude is called "The Anime Man"? lol

That’s like calling yourself “The Pizza Guy” and then admitting the only shit you eat now is salad. lol

But I get it, rebranding and calling themself "The Seasonal Hype Show Avoidance Man” just doesn't have the same ring to it. lol

@ktg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VCkq0e2920&pp=ygUZbGlmZWN5Y2xlIG9mIGFuIGFuaW1lIGZhbtIHCQmyCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

Just going to put this here, he is in the later stages, the anime impresses less, moves on to other things, how much covering anime on Youtube gets awkward, etc. stays in the medium through social media or manga/eroge. So I'm not 'defending' I'm more so comparing perspective. I don't care for his content either, but I can still look at things from a point of view regardless of if I hate someone. Not offer an immediate response like some people/most people do and don't think for more than 2 seconds.

I myself do this, I do in the Minecraft mod community, I make wikis, the same way some modders just 'mod' the game and don't even really understand the scale of the game anymore.

I do the same in the anime community, but we still understand the medium, we still understand the community terms, mentality of the deep fans and the newcomers, the medium, the tropes, we still do our research.

Still engage in manga, visual novels, other ANIME COMMUNITY related products.

His elitism for things sure, his not interested in a particular show sure, but I don't even engage in that either, I just don't watch it, don't talk about it, but he is in public social media spaces so I get it, the next big show gets talked about, everyone has to watch this seasonal this and that.

If his audience was more intellgient and went we get it you like these types not 'are you watching this hype show of the season' every 3 months, or seen this scene, like a bunch of hyper children, when the context was clear, 3 months ago, and after that, etc. it's obvious once knowing a person, what to ask them or not.

People saying dumb things to get people off their back I get it, but if people are that dumb they can't read sign that's also their own problem, and there is a case of 'I will listen to you because you like it and listening for your sake' and there is 'I'm made my point clear, move on and stop telling me about it to convince me to like it to get validation' which can also happen.

Some people are too much validation seekers and too stupid to read context too.

I can respect something I have no interest in, I can also have suggestions for what I think can work, I can also ignore all those people in any medium this applies to (anime, gaming, music, books, etc.)

I don't engage in any of that, I just watch what I want, but I'm not an Anituber either, so it doesn't effect me with the seasonal questions, or the 'I've told you I don't care move on' when the idiot viewers can't get past that the moment has ended move on.

He says some stupid things sure, many people do, I'm not going to ignore any of that, I don't know every moment, I don't care either. Watched his content enough to know things, but I don't remember or care either.

I don't care for his content that much really anyway these days, so this isn't a 'defence', but I mean I can see also why he is in 'certain ways' in the state he is in now.

I can be an idiot towards some things but I've also tried to change my mindset on things to be more open too, respect this, understand context for that, maybe he hasn't i don't know.

Sort of fitting in the 'I'm still a working adult that's moved on from these hobbies' to the 'I dig in on occasion with these communities/hobbies'. Kind of weird middle space I guess?

I still watch anime but only the blu-rays, I quit seasonal in 2023 out of laziness, sure many niche ones I'm missing out on but oh well I'll get to them when I feel like it.

I don't engage with the community a lot unless "I feel like it" on the MAL forums, or just watch odd videos about stuff.

I don't have to either if I watch only niche audience shows online or the odd ones that are anime community surface level greats or particular niche ones in sub communities.

The 'oh point to this weird anime yet push away they watch Hentai' I mean that angle I think is dumb but whatever, they do what they do for views and to appeal to audiences i guess. Sigh.

Have a Hentai podcast episode, the next oh we have to point out this is degenerate anime, this degenerate anime with these figures, like they are pure, it's just stupid and flip flopping annoying.

Sure context matters they don't have to talk about it all the time but it can be in some ways a bit ridiculous looking but it varies.

So some veterans can be 'tourists' but what tourists for 'anime' when they still engage in MANGA/VISUAL NOVELS which are still ANIME COMMUNITY related products. That's just getting particular of it's not ANIME enough, that's just dumb.

They are still part of the medium.

They don't have to engage in their roots ALL THE TIME.

People must be living good lives if "anime tourism" is a problem.

For me everyone that like watching anime no matter what they watch and does not force themselves in to something they does not like, and also respects the history of anime are anime fans for me.

Also with their mentality I would say these people calling people tourists are also tourists themselves:
-Cannot differentiate demographic from it's actual genre/theme (which is basic thing to learn)
- Does not know basic anime behind the scenes things and also staff roles
- Does not know about manga magazines
- Does not know some of the biggest anime series that are in Japan such as detective conan, lupin the 3rd, gintama etc.
- Cannot defricate art from animation

Yet I don't do these things because for the things I have mentioned above.

Oh, let me guess, you're the type that gets mad when people call shonen a genre.


You say this but the first thing you list as a sign of an anime tourist is something many have an opposing opinion on.

I thought this would be about real problems with tourism, like people making pilgrimages to anime locations and creating messes, crowding, and disruption to the local citizenry. But no, it's the culture-war grievance definition of "tourist" as "anyone whose opinions and preferences I disagree with, or who pay for products and services from companies I don't like."

I've been watching anime since the 90s and as far as I can tell, there is no tourism problem in anime. Seems like this is just some gate-keeper/elitism garbo happening. Acting like anime is some sacred thing that people aren't allowed to jump into because they only started in 2020 or complaining that they're not liking cartoons in the "right way" is worthy of the largest eye-roll.

If you don't like the video, that's cool. Go ahead and disagree with the opinions of the animemen. Hate on the style of video they made. That's all good. Their channel looks pretty cringe overall as far as I can tell, but to call them tourists or fake fans is just weak and smells a bit like insecurity and immaturity imo.

I disagree with like 75% of the points made in that video (towards the end, joey starts making more sense)
Its good that people can try new things. Its good that people can change. Its good that these animemen scrubs promote anime. Its good that they bring people into it. Its good that more people in the community means more money into the industry and more money means more good anime. Gate-keeping is bad.
Dont hold onto some grudge from highschool. move passed it.

ps. We dont know anything about the history of these dudes, why assume they were bullies or that all newcomers were bullies? It really seems to me that people are fighting this fictional enemy that largely only exists in their head.

I thought this would be about real problems with tourism, like people making pilgrimages to anime locations and creating messes, crowding, and disruption to the local citizenry. But no, it's the culture-war grievance definition of "tourist" as "anyone whose opinions and preferences I disagree with, or who pay for products and services from companies I don't like."

@Zalis

That would actually be a WAY more productive discussion to be honest, especially since Japan is actually dealing with some issues caused by disrespectful people breaking rules in the country (especially with the rise of "nuisance streamers" over the past decade), but it genuinely feels like this community is shifting further and further into reactionary politics trying to push out anyone and everyone who doesn't fit a certain mold rather than having any productive and interesting conversations. Unfortunately in the current social media landscape I am not all too surprised since reactionary crap gets more engagement due to appealing to people's emotional responses.