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Jan 2, 4:41 PM
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Why not just call them casuals? Who even made this up? Tourists, locals, domestics, internationals, you all sound stupid if you use "tourists" unironically.

Just say casuals.

"Erm akshually, a tourist means blah blah blah, and I'm an anime veteran, and censorship sucks" ☝️🤓
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Jan 2, 4:43 PM
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wait until this word becomes mainstream https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touron
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justmaya said:
Why not just call them casuals?

Because there's nothing wrong with being a casual, lol.
Jan 2, 4:44 PM
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if there are anime tourists then should there be anime immigrants?
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To be honest, I don't what is anime tourist to begin with we don't have that word back in 2000s era.
Jan 2, 4:51 PM
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if there are anime tourists then should there be anime immigrants?
@deg thanks Deg, I will start identifying as anime immigrant
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To be honest, I don't what is anime tourist to begin with we don't have that word back in 2000s era.
@Kisaragi_Toka anime tourists are temporary anime fans or just none hardcore fans afaik
Jan 2, 4:52 PM
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@deg thanks Deg, I will start identifying as anime immigrant
@Commit_Crime guess im an anime immigrant too since im no japanese otaku lol
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A casual and a censorious pleb are very different things in my book. I like the term tourist to describe them. Baka gaijin go home!
Jan 2, 4:56 PM
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I guess it just refers to their inexperience to the content in anime as well as their possible lack of commitment in watching it compared to fans. I honestly don't use that word or even "casuals." I would most likely refer to them as "newbies." But people are always trying to be creative and trendy.
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Granted, I just noticed I don't know what "casual" means.
What's the difference between a casual and a non-casual anime fans?
What's the difference between a casual and a non-casual Dark Souls player?
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Granted, I just noticed I don't know what "casual" means.
What's the difference between a casual and a non-casual anime fans?
What's the difference between a casual and a non-casual Dark Souls player?
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justmaya said:
Why not just call them casuals?

If casuals and tourists were the same thing, there would not be separate terms for them.
This is a dumb thread.

They're not the same. A tourist is like IRL tourists they show up for the sightseeing and complain about what they see and go home.

A casual enjoys anime at a casual pace or enjoys popular anime.
Jan 2, 5:10 PM
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Granted, I just noticed I don't know what "casual" means.
What's the difference between a casual and a non-casual anime fans?
What's the difference between a casual and a non-casual Dark Souls player?
@thewiru A "casual" is basically someone who doesn't watch anime regularly or often. Some people will judge by the number of anime a person has watched or the amount that they've watched in a certain period of time.
Jan 2, 5:18 PM

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@justmaya thats exactly what a tourist would say.............
Jan 2, 5:23 PM

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@thewiru A "casual" is basically someone who doesn't watch anime regularly or often. Some people will judge by the number of anime a person has watched or the amount that they've watched in a certain period of time.
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That doesn't say much.
How often is "regularly"?
Can someone keep flipping from casual to non-casual from time to time?
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Casuals are not always tourists, and veterans can occasionally be tourists too. And yes, all censorship sucks.
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You must've missed the ol' era when they'd all get up and call us NPCs... in unison... on repeat... like robots. It took 'em a few months, but eventually they caught on to the irony, thus proving that machine learning can indeed occur. That said, such learning hardly qualifies as proving the existence of artificial intelligence...
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I think you're downplaying, or straight don't understand what a "tourist" as a slang mean in this scenario.

A casual anime watcher is the kind of fan that would watch a popular show, like Demon Slayer, feel like it's the greatest thing ever, and persist on that mindset, nothing offensive on that regard. They're usually just watching things for fun, rather than analyzing them. A polar opposite of an anime veteran/critic.

A "tourist" in this scenario, means people from other culture, trying to get into Japanese Anime Culture, complain about Japan Culture, while also trying to force their own opinion and completely disregard everyone else's including the original author's vision just to push their own agenda.

They don't love anime at all, in fact, this can be applied to any media they dare touch, be it video games, TV Shows, Anime, Films, etc. They don't love the medium, they just want to crush the party trying to force everyone into their mindset, and if you don't accept them, then you're a bigot.

That's what a Tourist is.
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Jan 2, 5:33 PM

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I started blocking users who use that term, but then I ran out of space and had to unblock them all.
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Jan 2, 5:35 PM

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The language that so called elitists (who would be better off being called "exclusionaries" tbh) use changes over time but never stops being equally as stupid. Once it was "SJW", then "NPC", now it's "tourist". Who knows what nonsense people are gonna call anyone they disagree with next when "tourist" dies out. All this language exists to do is to create infighting and an "us vs. them" narrative because some people are just that unwilling to see any perspectives that may even be remotely critical of a thing they enjoy.
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to me anime tourists can be casual fans too if we based it on the amount of commitment to the hobby like both can be temporary or only watching few popular shows
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Based on my brief time here in the anime world, I don't think the term has any relation to the IRL meaning of the word.

Whatever the exact meaning is, all I'm sensing is a sense of superiority, lashing out and shutting down people. And worst of all, the belief that there are people who "don't deserve" to watch anime or be around in the community, which is disgusting, presumptuous, laughable and actually meaningless.

I don't feel that strongly about a lot of anime opinions I come across, but this kind of rhetoric really bothers me. But I have no idea what to do about it...
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Based on my brief time here in the anime world, I don't think the term has any relation to the IRL meaning of the word.

Whatever the exact meaning is, all I'm sensing is a sense of superiority, lashing out and shutting down people. And worst of all, the belief that there are people who "don't deserve" to watch anime or be around in the community, which is disgusting, presumptuous, laughable and actually meaningless.

I don't feel that strongly about a lot of anime opinions I come across, but this kind of rhetoric really bothers me. But I have no idea what to do about it...
@perseii that is why gate-keeping is important.....we need to shut down all the wokelings b4 they try to hi-jack & ruin yet another medium they dont give a shit about
Jan 2, 6:00 PM

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Sounds like something a filthy anime TOURIST would say!


I've got my eye on you, OP. I know you're here to make my anime woke and I wont stand for it.
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@Prideful_Lion
That doesn't say much.
How often is "regularly"?
Can someone keep flipping from casual to non-casual from time to time?
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I can't really give a definitive answer to that since how less "regularly" a person watches anime for them to be considered a "casual" may vary from person to person. Plus, it's not really something that I pay attention to with other anime watchers. But I do think it's possible for people to keep flipping from casual to non-casual from time to time since some people can go through things that affect how often they watch anime (work, school, burnout, etc.).
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"tourist" the way i understood it was someone who argues about something they don't know anything about for culture war brainrot reasons, without having any actual interest in the thing being argued about. this can be completely bipartisan.

the important thing isn't how much anime they've watched, or how experienced they are - it's the fact that the only reason they're talking about the subject is because they are addicted to online drama.

frankly a better term is a drama queen
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Anime tourists may be bad. But they are better than sex tourists...for obvious reasons.
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Anime tourists may be bad. But they are better than sex tourists...for obvious reasons.
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Why is sex tourism bad, though?
Jan 2, 6:42 PM

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Tourists are to anime what casuals are to gaming.

@thewiru how about food tourism ?
Jan 2, 6:52 PM

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Sounds like something a filthy anime TOURIST would say!


I've got my eye on you, OP. I know you're here to make my anime woke and I wont stand for it.
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Tourists are to anime what casuals are to gaming.

@thewiru how about food tourism ?
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Is that a good thing? Many of my favorite games were developed for Wii and DS, consoles with extremely large casual userbases.
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Is that a good thing? Many of my favorite games were developed for Wii and DS, consoles with extremely large casual userbases.
@Lucifrost Yeah, it's not exactly a good or bad thing, they're just two different approaches and philosophies that can coexist, it's only bad when casuals try to influences core games to be less challenging and vice-versa when hardcore gamers try to dismiss casual games as useless and unworthy of attention.
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im pretty sure casuals by definition aren't trying to influence anything. like i don't think grandma brain age was logging onto gamefaqs and arguing that they should make TWEWY easier or something
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Tourists are to anime what casuals are to gaming.

@thewiru how about food tourism ?
@tchitchouan
Food tourism is something nice.
Though I was once reading about things like lutefisk and surströmming, which locals don't actually eat, but tourists think they do.

I also never fully understood the difference between casuals and hardcore players in gaming.
According to JoshStrifeHayes, anyone that researches about the game they're playing on their free time and watches hour-long videos about the game is "a hardcore fan".
If that's the right definition, then I don't understand how someone can have fun WITHOUT being hardcore: I always love researching about the games I'm playing so I can have contact with the most amount of systems possible so I can have the most fun.

Unless hardcore/casual mean other things, in which case... what do those mean?
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Tourist is a reference to the destructive nature of certain tourists in some countries being disrespectful or damaging either intentionally or unintentionally by sheer numbers and lack of cultural understanding and acceptance. It isn't the same as someone being casual about watching anime it is someone who invades the spaces of anime otaku and starts making constant complaints and demands of them and the anime industry and the Japanese as a whole. It's suggesting both their destructive nature and fad chasing nature where they likely will just stop watching anime once it's less trendy again and they will go right back to shitting on anime and people who like it like many were before. Other terms that can apply to some would be political zealot, prude, homophobe, cultural imperialist, bully, invader, White savior complex and racists. It is just sometimes the term is overused by some people by overreacting often done by people who themselves are a kind of anime tourist.
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i agree honestly. almost every time i've seen "tourist" used in this context, it's by someone that's trying to deflect criticism of anime or the culture surrounding it, whether the criticism is valid or not. your favorite anime is allowed to have problems, god knows my favorites do, and people are allowed to criticize it without being "tourists" or whatever. being critical of your favorite things shows maturity and good media literacy, imo.
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justmaya said:
Why not just call them casuals? Who even made this up? Tourists, locals, domestics, internationals, you all sound stupid if you use "tourists" unironically.

Just say casuals.

"Erm akshually, a tourist means blah blah blah, and I'm an anime veteran, and censorship sucks" ☝️🤓


It's obviously simply just a term mostly used on places like MAL to marginalize a person or group. It could have been any term. Even if you replaced "Tourists" with "casuals" it would likely still mostly be used and seen in the same condescending nature. lol Then in the end some User in the near future would likely be making a thread about Anime "casuals" being the stupidest term they have ever heard just to rant, bitch, and whine about it. lol
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Tourists are not casuals:

-Casuals are people who don't watch a lot of Anime, they are new to the medium or they are only watch popular stuff.
-Tourists are people who harass people, artists and authors since they like, enjoy or watch stuff they consider "problematic" and most likely they are Anti-Japanese themselves. A "veteran" can become a tourist or they were always turirsts all the time like Mother's Basement or some people I know they watch Anime for a long time, I noticed they are quite racist towards Japanese people.
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Food tourism is something nice.
Though I was once reading about things like lutefisk and surströmming, which locals don't actually eat, but tourists think they do.

I also never fully understood the difference between casuals and hardcore players in gaming.
According to JoshStrifeHayes, anyone that researches about the game they're playing on their free time and watches hour-long videos about the game is "a hardcore fan".
If that's the right definition, then I don't understand how someone can have fun WITHOUT being hardcore: I always love researching about the games I'm playing so I can have contact with the most amount of systems possible so I can have the most fun.

Unless hardcore/casual mean other things, in which case... what do those mean?
@thewiru i think the main difference between casual and hardcore gamers is that the former have a laid back approach to the games they play whereas the hardcore gamer take an active role in the games they play. so casuals play passively while hardcores play actively.
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@thewiru i think the main difference between casual and hardcore gamers is that the former have a laid back approach to the games they play whereas the hardcore gamer take an active role in the games they play. so casuals play passively while hardcores play actively.
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I still don't get it.
Isn't "to play" an "active action" in itself?
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Anime "tourist" is the stupidest term I've ever heard.


Not Really. it has been a long-standing Stereotype/Joke, - Grounded in a Fair Modicum of Historical Reality -
that American Tourists visiting Foreign Countries were all too often Loud, Obnoxious, Ignorant and/or Inconsiderate of local Cultural Customs,
and even Entitled, Demanding and Outright Insufferable Overall.

Now; Consider for a moment... What does That Sound more-or-less Exactly Like?!?!
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I still don't get it.
Isn't "to play" an "active action" in itself?
@thewiru No, an active role means to go beyond the game, as in explore all what the game has to offer thoroughly, develop new strategist and techniques, immerse yourself in the story and the lore, engage with the wider community and the fandom, be competitive, always advocating and supporting the game.
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Why is sex tourism bad, though?
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Why is sex tourism bad, though?


There are a ton of reasons, but it is believed that sex tourism increases human trafficking and thus forced prostitution in many countries, endangering women and minors who are at most at risk at being pulled into these industries. It is also suggested that higher rates of trafficking corresponds to higher rates of drug usage, more widespread violence, and a bunch of other vices that prevent any actual development of the economy. Poverty, above all else.

There are stories of Thailand authorities busting down child sex rings, and Cambodian officials profitting off of children being enslaved. You hear tales of elderly women in the UK coming to South Africa to take advantage of men who turn to prostitution. Considering the nature of the work and the groups known for operating in that area, many believe that abuse is inherent in the sex trade.

I do agree with many of the wider claims in many of these countries; sex tourism is pretty exploitative, rich tourists coming to take advantage of locals like this while the government fails to invest in any long-term infrastructure, and criminal groups enslaving people or importing people to meet demand. I am speaking broadly on this, though.
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@thewiru No, an active role means to go beyond the game, as in explore all what the game has to offer thoroughly, develop new strategist and techniques, immerse yourself in the story and the lore, engage with the wider community and the fandom, be competitive, always advocating and supporting the game.
@tchitchouan
This is a pretty broad definition.
If all of those are needed, then almost no one is hardcore.
If only one of them is, then no one is a casual.

For instance, in FFXIV most of the stuff you mentioned would fall into "casual gameplay".
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To be honest, I don't what is anime tourist to begin with we don't have that word back in 2000s era.
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Round about way of calling someone a poser.

People come and act like they know a lot about anime but watched like 50 of them max, then they start bloviating on the flaws of the medium in some aspect.
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thewiru said:
Why is sex tourism bad, though?


There are a ton of reasons, but it is believed that sex tourism increases human trafficking and thus forced prostitution in many countries, endangering women and minors who are at most at risk at being pulled into these industries. It is also suggested that higher rates of trafficking corresponds to higher rates of drug usage, more widespread violence, and a bunch of other vices that prevent any actual development of the economy. Poverty, above all else.

There are stories of Thailand authorities busting down child sex rings, and Cambodian officials profitting off of children being enslaved. You hear tales of elderly women in the UK coming to South Africa to take advantage of men who turn to prostitution. Considering the nature of the work and the groups known for operating in that area, many believe that abuse is inherent in the sex trade.

I do agree with many of the wider claims in many of these countries; sex tourism is pretty exploitative, rich tourists coming to take advantage of locals like this while the government fails to invest in any long-term infrastructure, and criminal groups enslaving people or importing people to meet demand. I am speaking broadly on this, though.
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That has more to do with illegal prostitution than with sex tourism, though.
Someone that travels to other states in order to pick up girls at a party is, by definition, engaging in sex tourism, yet this is unrelated to most stuff you've mention.
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This is a pretty broad definition.
If all of those are needed, then almost no one is hardcore.
If only one of them is, then no one is a casual.

For instance, in FFXIV most of the stuff you mentioned would fall into "casual gameplay".
@thewiru yeah, it's not black and white there are certain degrees to casualness and hardcoreness.
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@PeripheralVision
That has more to do with illegal prostitution than with sex tourism, though.
Someone that travels to other states in order to pick up girls at a party is, by definition, engaging in sex tourism, yet this is unrelated to most stuff you've mention.
thewiru said:
That has more to do with illegal prostitution than with sex tourism, though.
Someone that travels to other states in order to pick up girls at a party is, by definition, engaging in sex tourism, yet this is unrelated to most stuff you've mention.


No, not at all? It is considered too interrelated to be seperated, and we are not discussing states, but different nations entirely. We have entire countries like Thailand and Cambodia that have a flourishing sex tourism industry, and this demand incentivizes the rampant sexual slavery and abuse in those countries. You cannot necessarily seperate demand (tourism) from supply (prostitution), not when considering the broader scope, and whether certain measures and government actions can promote or discourage sex tourism.

The example is not representative of reality; chances are if you are traveling for the sole purposes of sex you are willing/needing to pay for it. We are not talking Chad thundercocks going to nightclubs, we are talking people going to a nation that can fulfill a demand that is often not legal or seriously discouraged in their home nation.

It is a complex topic, one that considers among other things if this is desirable for any nation to promote, and to whom it benefits if it does or does not.
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