| Although we still live in a time when anime entirely dedicated to the Internet and technology like Lain or Jelyfish are quite rare and original, I couldn’t help but notice that more and more characters are actively using the Internet, various gadgets and technologies, although 5-6 years ago embedding communication in LINE in "Tsuki ga Kirei" seemed unusual and revolutionary. To such an extent that if before I always held back a chuckle when the characters mentioned the local equivalent of YouTube or Twitter, then after a whole series of shows from the 20s, it became as commonplace as mentioning McDonald's or Amazon. We even expect the first full-fledged anime about Vitubers in one of the coming seasons. So, how do you feel about the gradual increasing digitalization of everyday life and, accordingly, the depiction of this in animanga? Do you want more of that, or would you rather see the characters' lives more similar to life before the active use of the Internet? |
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| I don't mind it, even if it's in extreme level for parody/main plot reasons. If the life of characters living in nowadays is depicted of how life in nowadays look like than there should be even more scenes of Instagram, Tik Tok, Youtube, Facebook [messenger] or other social media/sites like that. Not sure but I have heard Line quite a lot of times in anime [can't tell which is the oldest with this], there's now Youtu.... NewTube in Viral Hit, Jellyfish which broke everything showing off the Vtuber, OBS live streaming, Discord server chats and a real Capcom game gameplay and stuff like that. Usually anime just show a little glimpse on the site main menu etc. |
| Never paid attention to digitalization in Anime worlds and I also don't care because it's not the reason I watch Anime. |
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I don't mind it, even if it's in extreme level for parody/main plot reasons. If the life of characters living in nowadays is depicted of how life in nowadays look like than there should be even more scenes of Instagram, Tik Tok, Youtube, Facebook [messenger] or other social media/sites like that.
Not sure but I have heard Line quite a lot of times in anime [can't tell which is the oldest with this], there's now Youtu.... NewTube in Viral Hit, Jellyfish which broke everything showing off the Vtuber, OBS live streaming, Discord server chats and a real Capcom game gameplay and stuff like that. Usually anime just show a little glimpse on the site main menu etc.
Not sure but I have heard Line quite a lot of times in anime [can't tell which is the oldest with this], there's now Youtu.... NewTube in Viral Hit, Jellyfish which broke everything showing off the Vtuber, OBS live streaming, Discord server chats and a real Capcom game gameplay and stuff like that. Usually anime just show a little glimpse on the site main menu etc.
| @Zettaiken These two shows still stand out from the total, as their premise is directly dedicated to this. For example, Viral Hit explains the nuances of video platforms, while Jellyfish talks a lot about the work of illustrators on the Internet. You can also remember Oshi no Ko with a whole arc about how a character was canceled on Twitter due to a scandal during the filming of a web reality show (damn, looks like Doga Kobo really decided to take memeiness to new heights). But I couldn’t help but notice how the most ordinary romantic comedies or battle shonens characters constantly refer to each other’s Twitter pages or love for streamers. |
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| It does not matter because we ultimately get NTHE... |
| I think authors are catching up with time, even though they may be living in the previous century. Depending on the setting or era of a series, the use of digital gadgets and technologies should be and will be more often in ages to come. In sci-fi and fantasy series, there are also scenes, gadgets, machinery, equipment and even knowledge and skills that are not within our era or simply reflect the future. For example, gundum series started in 60s/70s by which our technology had not been discovered or reached the stage of advancement yet. However the series was widely accepted and became popular. On the other hand, if a series is set in a historical era, then the use of modern technology may not be so appropriate. All in all, the premise of the geographical setting is important so that a series can portray the story and plot line, and properly presented. |
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I think authors are catching up with time, even though they may be living in the previous century. Depending on the setting or era of a series, the use of digital gadgets and technologies should be and will be more often in ages to come. In sci-fi and fantasy series, there are also scenes, gadgets, machinery, equipment and even knowledge and skills that are not within our era or simply reflect the future. For example, gundum series started in 60s/70s by which our technology had not been discovered or reached the stage of advancement yet. However the series was widely accepted and became popular. On the other hand, if a series is set in a historical era, then the use of modern technology may not be so appropriate.
All in all, the premise of the geographical setting is important so that a series can portray the story and plot line, and properly presented.
All in all, the premise of the geographical setting is important so that a series can portray the story and plot line, and properly presented.
| @ProGoddess So you think that such things should have appeared more often in anime a long time ago? @Eleben That is, for you this is more an element of immersion and character development than the wow effect of “actual tags”? |
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@RobertBobert immersion, yes. Character development, no.
| @Eleben So, the fact that a character likes Twitter will tell you that he is a social/trendy person, but will not affect his development in any way? I meant personality development, not character development as part of a story. |
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| I don't like gadgets in anime, because I watch it with voice-over translation and they rarely translate text on phone screens. Apart from that, I don't mind. |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
| I am indifferent to it, in sci-fi works decades ago I saw characters doing something similar using machines and devices that would probably have a similar function to what we use today. And also how current adaptations come from works from a few years ago, it is normal that you can see works with a more "current" setting because it is easier to write something based on your time than to write something from the past on which you probably depend on your anecnotic experience or to carry out an investigation to avoid the major inaccuracies (or at least present a clear basic idea to the public). And much more complicated to invent a lore of the future that is not a recycling of others. |
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I don't like gadgets in anime, because I watch it with voice-over translation and they rarely translate text on phone screens. Apart from that, I don't mind.
| @LoveYourEyes Yeah. It's hardly intentional, but I find it funny that these days the characters are always reading things like that out loud. |
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| I think it is a welcome addition, it beats having bland buildings (in the way of scene design where a parody fast food chain wcdonalds could replace mcdonalds) or similar (prop design where a mobile device with a pear replacing an apple phone) It probably depends of the context of the anime too, comedy and slice of life anime make use of this to liven their moods. |
| I liked seeing 2chan references in Steins;Gate and Zankyou no Terror (They mention Tor in this one as well) |
| Nothing wrong with it in principle. It can be used well, to give another nuance to interactions between characters, convey information in an alternate way, for comedy, etc.; and it can be used badly, as a lazy or unimaginative way of presenting dialogue (because let's face it, the effort required to animate LINE messages is minimal). But that is just saying that it's like any other narrative device used in the medium: all depends on how you use it. It's also more realistic. Especially if you are introducing young people in the 2020s, who rely on social media for 80% of their interactions according to a survey that I just made up: it would be unrealistic not to show them immersed in the digital world. |
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Nothing wrong with it in principle. It can be used well, to give another nuance to interactions between characters, convey information in an alternate way, for comedy, etc.; and it can be used badly, as a lazy or unimaginative way of presenting dialogue (because let's face it, the effort required to animate LINE messages is minimal). But that is just saying that it's like any other narrative device used in the medium: all depends on how you use it.
It's also more realistic. Especially if you are introducing young people in the 2020s, who rely on social media for 80% of their interactions according to a survey that I just made up: it would be unrealistic not to show them immersed in the digital world.
It's also more realistic. Especially if you are introducing young people in the 2020s, who rely on social media for 80% of their interactions according to a survey that I just made up: it would be unrealistic not to show them immersed in the digital world.
| @Tirinchas According to surveys, 80% of young people’s communication now takes place online? |
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@Tirinchas According to surveys, 80% of young people’s communication now takes place online?
| @RobertBobert Yup. And according to my calculations, these last three posts on MAL have increased that figure by 0.000000013%. |
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@RobertBobert Yup. And according to my calculations, these last three posts on MAL have increased that figure by 0.000000013%.
| @Tirinchas Well, if communication between teenagers and young adults looked like this in anime, then half of the anime would look like those mockumentary films about the ghost in the Internet. |
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| I don't mind media in general reflecting the modern era. Sure, it may start out as a bit jarring at first, but a s time goes on it becomes a bit of a time capsule. Look at Jojo Part 8 which took place during its year of release in 2011 and took 10 years to finish serialization. By the time it ended sure it felt "modern" but the tech they used wasn't exactly what we use today, so by the time part 9 came out in 2023 and started mentioning a lot of modern tech, music, and even stuff like COVID it did feel a bit shocking since the book was kind of stuck in 2011 for the past 10 years, but it quickly just feels normal. It definitely adds a level of relatability for the time of release, but definitely quickly becomes a time capsule with how rapidly evolving our global culture is in terms of tech, music, fashion, slang, social values, political issues (to an extent), and so much more. I definitely do enjoy seeing it as it can be really nice to kind of encapsulate certain elements of a specific time period that was contemporary to the time of the original release of the work. Sure, it can make a series feel "dated", but in a way that can work to the benefit of the story and worldbuilding. The Persona 3 Reload and Persona 5 video games also do this really well by stylizing their text message system menus to feel era appropriate with 3 having a more flip-phone aesthetic and using era appropriate language and email compared to 5's modern phone design language and use of SNS. It adds a level of realism for the time and grounds it to the time period. Elements like modern or era appropriate tech should 100% be used if you want to immerse your reader/viewer/player in a story and world |
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RobertBobert said: So, how do you feel about the gradual increasing digitalization of everyday life and, accordingly, the depiction of this in animanga? Do you want more of that, or would you rather see the characters' lives more similar to life before the active use of the Internet? I would like to see more of this in anime, because I'm not sure if anime and manga have tackled this topic seriously. I've seen commentary that the recent film Everything Everywhere All At Once is an attempt at depicting our existence in the age of infinite content and social media, and I agree. There are so many ideas, information and overall "noise" out there that it can be terrifying and numbing; we're presented with freedom to do anything and become anything we want, but that doesn't necessarily make us happy or help us get the simple stuff in our lives right. If there's already good anime that actually talk about the internet/"digitalization" in this manner, beyond topics like online fame or VR gaming, I'd love to hear it. |
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RobertBobert said:
So, how do you feel about the gradual increasing digitalization of everyday life and, accordingly, the depiction of this in animanga? Do you want more of that, or would you rather see the characters' lives more similar to life before the active use of the Internet?
So, how do you feel about the gradual increasing digitalization of everyday life and, accordingly, the depiction of this in animanga? Do you want more of that, or would you rather see the characters' lives more similar to life before the active use of the Internet?
I would like to see more of this in anime, because I'm not sure if anime and manga have tackled this topic seriously.
I've seen commentary that the recent film Everything Everywhere All At Once is an attempt at depicting our existence in the age of infinite content and social media, and I agree. There are so many ideas, information and overall "noise" out there that it can be terrifying and numbing; we're presented with freedom to do anything and become anything we want, but that doesn't necessarily make us happy or help us get the simple stuff in our lives right.
If there's already good anime that actually talk about the internet/"digitalization" in this manner, beyond topics like online fame or VR gaming, I'd love to hear it.
| @perseii I'm still not sure what it's called, but in marketing there is such a thing as the "curse of choice." When you receive too many offers and opportunities that are interesting enough for you, it simply overwhelms you and blocks you, actually preventing you from making a choice. Well, you know, like when, as a child, there are good films on several channels at once and you cannot choose without consequences. |
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| What's the name of the anime about Vtubers that will be airing in one of the coming seasons...? I'm kind of curious.... |
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What's the name of the anime about Vtubers that will be airing in one of the coming seasons...?
I'm kind of curious....
I'm kind of curious....
| @DoruCatana https://myanimelist.net/anime/54284/VTuber_Nandaga_Haishin_Kiri_Wasuretara_Densetsu_ni_Natteta?q=VTuber%20Nandaga%20Haishin%20Kiri%20Wasuretara%20Densetsu%20ni%20Natteta&cat=anime This is an LN adaptation, so the show promises to be a pretty authentic experience. |
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RobertBobert said: Although we still live in a time when anime entirely dedicated to the Internet and technology like Lain or Jelyfish are quite rare and original, I couldn’t help but notice that more and more characters are actively using the Internet, various gadgets and technologies, although 5-6 years ago embedding communication in LINE in "Tsuki ga Kirei" seemed unusual and revolutionary. To such an extent that if before I always held back a chuckle when the characters mentioned the local equivalent of YouTube or Twitter, then after a whole series of shows from the 20s, it became as commonplace as mentioning McDonald's or Amazon. We even expect the first full-fledged anime about Vitubers in one of the coming seasons. So, how do you feel about the gradual increasing digitalization of everyday life and, accordingly, the depiction of this in animanga? Do you want more of that, or would you rather see the characters' lives more similar to life before the active use of the Internet? I think it simply reflects the times, Dr. Stone mentioning twitter is the same as Digimon mentioning dial-up internet to me |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
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RobertBobert said:
Although we still live in a time when anime entirely dedicated to the Internet and technology like Lain or Jelyfish are quite rare and original, I couldn’t help but notice that more and more characters are actively using the Internet, various gadgets and technologies, although 5-6 years ago embedding communication in LINE in "Tsuki ga Kirei" seemed unusual and revolutionary. To such an extent that if before I always held back a chuckle when the characters mentioned the local equivalent of YouTube or Twitter, then after a whole series of shows from the 20s, it became as commonplace as mentioning McDonald's or Amazon. We even expect the first full-fledged anime about Vitubers in one of the coming seasons.
So, how do you feel about the gradual increasing digitalization of everyday life and, accordingly, the depiction of this in animanga? Do you want more of that, or would you rather see the characters' lives more similar to life before the active use of the Internet?
Although we still live in a time when anime entirely dedicated to the Internet and technology like Lain or Jelyfish are quite rare and original, I couldn’t help but notice that more and more characters are actively using the Internet, various gadgets and technologies, although 5-6 years ago embedding communication in LINE in "Tsuki ga Kirei" seemed unusual and revolutionary. To such an extent that if before I always held back a chuckle when the characters mentioned the local equivalent of YouTube or Twitter, then after a whole series of shows from the 20s, it became as commonplace as mentioning McDonald's or Amazon. We even expect the first full-fledged anime about Vitubers in one of the coming seasons.
So, how do you feel about the gradual increasing digitalization of everyday life and, accordingly, the depiction of this in animanga? Do you want more of that, or would you rather see the characters' lives more similar to life before the active use of the Internet?
I think it simply reflects the times, Dr. Stone mentioning twitter is the same as Digimon mentioning dial-up internet to me
| @DigiCat Digimon mentioned dial-up? |
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@DigiCat Digimon mentioned dial-up?
| @RobertBobert Yep, the movie does Also fun fact, in Digimon Adventure 1999 they start their journey on file island (computer file) while in the remake Adventure 2020 they start in cloud continent (google cloud) |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
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@RobertBobert Yep, the movie does
Also fun fact, in Digimon Adventure 1999 they start their journey on file island (computer file) while in the remake Adventure 2020 they start in cloud continent (google cloud)
Also fun fact, in Digimon Adventure 1999 they start their journey on file island (computer file) while in the remake Adventure 2020 they start in cloud continent (google cloud)
| @DigiCat For some unknown reason, I always forget that the entire franchise is based on geek culture. Although if I remember the old show correctly, you were constantly reminded of this. |
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I still want to see flip phones and massive, bulky TVs in my anime. There's a certain charm to it.
| @Rhae Do you miss the Japanese love for such technology? :D |
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| I don't mind it. In fact, I like it, because it makes anime more relatable. Times change, technology advances, so it's obvious that people in anime with modern setting will use stuff typical to our real world (social media, smartphones, etc.). |
| Nothing in particular but just storytelling wise during the scenes where the characters are texting on their smartphones i'm actually not very interested in seeing them tapping the thing and having to read their messages one after the other on my own especially if the scene is solely focusing on that particular device and doesn't transition elsewhere. It's not a bad thing but it surely makes the scene one dimensional and boring to watch. Btw, how many versions of Google are there in anime? I remember one in Steins;Gate  |
| I feel old. Anime from 10 years ago, obviously, mention messaging or texting a lot, but newer ones mention LiNE, instagram, twitter and youtube instead. Another example of this is how 10 years ago, when a character has a smartphone or has just bought a new one, they specifically say "sumaho" or "smartphone". Now they just say "keitai" or "phone". Goes to show how the things that only some people with privilege had has now become common things almost everyone has. |
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I feel old. Anime from 10 years ago, obviously, mention messaging or texting a lot, but newer ones mention LiNE, instagram, twitter and youtube instead.
Another example of this is how 10 years ago, when a character has a smartphone or has just bought a new one, they specifically say "sumaho" or "smartphone". Now they just say "keitai" or "phone". Goes to show how the things that only some people with privilege had has now become common things almost everyone has.
Another example of this is how 10 years ago, when a character has a smartphone or has just bought a new one, they specifically say "sumaho" or "smartphone". Now they just say "keitai" or "phone". Goes to show how the things that only some people with privilege had has now become common things almost everyone has.
| @Yuu_Kanzaki At first I wanted to joke about how you reminded me of a time when a cell phone was the sign of a yuppie Wall Street businessman, but then I realized that joke would have revealed the dinosaur in me...oh yeah. |
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RobertBobert said: I'm still not sure what it's called, but in marketing there is such a thing as the "curse of choice." I've heard of "analysis paralysis". I think the term is more to do with thinking pattern, but it definitely results in indecision. It would be interesting to have an anime explore what role the internet plays regarding this problem and how this is simply the way we live our lives now. Paranoia Agent suddenly comes to mind. While it's not very focused on technology, the show spotlights the different kinds of pressure people are living under, especially in the insanely fast-paced, competitive and demanding world we live in. I'm not asking for a copy of Paranoia Agent, but I would appreciate it if more anime engaged with the internet/social media/digitalization topic in that fashion. |
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RobertBobert said:
I'm still not sure what it's called, but in marketing there is such a thing as the "curse of choice."
I'm still not sure what it's called, but in marketing there is such a thing as the "curse of choice."
I've heard of "analysis paralysis". I think the term is more to do with thinking pattern, but it definitely results in indecision.
It would be interesting to have an anime explore what role the internet plays regarding this problem and how this is simply the way we live our lives now.
Paranoia Agent suddenly comes to mind. While it's not very focused on technology, the show spotlights the different kinds of pressure people are living under, especially in the insanely fast-paced, competitive and demanding world we live in.
I'm not asking for a copy of Paranoia Agent, but I would appreciate it if more anime engaged with the internet/social media/digitalization topic in that fashion.
| @perseii This is not quite the same, since we are talking about analysis, and not about the breadth of choice in general, but it’s close, yes. Could you clarify which arc you are talking about? I don't remember the show in detail, only that it criticizes the infantilism and cynicism of modern (at that time) Japanese society. |
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| Who cares about digitalization.???..it totally does not matter because we get NTHE. |
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@perseii This is not quite the same, since we are talking about analysis, and not about the breadth of choice in general, but it’s close, yes.
Could you clarify which arc you are talking about? I don't remember the show in detail, only that it criticizes the infantilism and cynicism of modern (at that time) Japanese society.
Could you clarify which arc you are talking about? I don't remember the show in detail, only that it criticizes the infantilism and cynicism of modern (at that time) Japanese society.
RobertBobert said: I don't remember the show in detail, only that it criticizes the infantilism and cynicism of modern (at that time) Japanese society. I don't remember it very well either, but in the first episode I remember the character designer getting pressured by the marketing firm to follow up a popular mascot with another one. Not saying Paranoia Agent was commenting on the internet (only very indirectly I think), but that it tried to comment on "modern society" while still telling interesting and atmospheric stories. (I should really watch that show again sometime) |
| Bring back flip phones in anime dam it. They were the best days or maybe I'm old and have rose tinted glasses for that era. |
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RobertBobert said:
I don't remember the show in detail, only that it criticizes the infantilism and cynicism of modern (at that time) Japanese society.
I don't remember the show in detail, only that it criticizes the infantilism and cynicism of modern (at that time) Japanese society.
I don't remember it very well either, but in the first episode I remember the character designer getting pressured by the marketing firm to follow up a popular mascot with another one.
Not saying Paranoia Agent was commenting on the internet (only very indirectly I think), but that it tried to comment on "modern society" while still telling interesting and atmospheric stories.
(I should really watch that show again sometime)
| @perseii Well, I may be transferring my perception of Satoshi Kon to this particular work, but I've always found his industry-rare stance as a critic of kawaii and escapism for escapism's sake in Japanese pop culture intriguing. |
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Bring back flip phones in anime dam it. They were the best days or maybe I'm old and have rose tinted glasses for that era.
| @BeastyAnimefan And also sports cars in the style of Miami Vice and an incredibly warm synthpop soundtrack? :D |
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@BeastyAnimefan And also sports cars in the style of Miami Vice and an incredibly warm synthpop soundtrack? :D
| @RobertBobert I'm talking early 2000s not the 80s but the 80s was a vibe it's own right |
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| I embrace modernity, the rare times I see it. Most anime are behind the times since they're adaptations of source materials that came out years before. |
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@RobertBobert I'm talking early 2000s not the 80s but the 80s was a vibe it's own right
| @BeastyAnimefan Do you miss the early 00s with their limbo between the edgy 90s and the glam of the millennium? |
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@BeastyAnimefan Do you miss the early 00s with their limbo between the edgy 90s and the glam of the millennium?
| @RobertBobert I love that transition period where everything was still edgy but better quality sort of 2006 to 2010ish |
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@RobertBobert I love that transition period where everything was still edgy but better quality sort of 2006 to 2010ish
| @BeastyAnimefan Yeah. The beginning of the 10s was still close, but from the middle things somehow changed sharply in a more dubious direction. |
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I prefer historical stuff when Japanese used swords
and magic ( in fantasy ) so …. It doesn’t bother me but it’s not a theme I’m interested in , I quite prefer their old phones too !
I think I’ll hate it if characters started asking each other for their Insta users lol , hopefully anime never reaches that …
and magic ( in fantasy ) so …. It doesn’t bother me but it’s not a theme I’m interested in , I quite prefer their old phones too !
I think I’ll hate it if characters started asking each other for their Insta users lol , hopefully anime never reaches that …
| @Yonahim_Zz Well, anime has already passed the phase where everyone asked for emails and connected each other to LINE, lmao. |
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| idk i likr when animes are set in pre-smartphone era with button phones |
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