Globalization of anime, overseas overtaken domestic market, KnY phenomenon, pandemic, inrease demand and labor shortage! What Is Happening In the Anime Industry in 2020-2021? An Analysis of The Animation Industry Report 2021.
| https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2021-11-03/what-is-happening-in-the-anime-industry-in-2020-2021-an-analysis-of-the-animation-industry-report-2021/.179153 ___________________________ long analysis, here we go. bolding the important part for easier reading ______________________ The Anime Market Shrinks For the First Time in 11 Years On November 4, the Association of Japanese Animations (AJA) released its annual “Animation Industry Report,” which details the latest information on the state of the Japanese anime production industry. The report compiles market statistics from 2020 and information on the state of the industry in 2020-2021. The biggest news item of 2020 is that the global anime market, which was enjoying record-breaking growth for the past 10 years, contracted compared to the previous year for the first time in 11 years. The market size in 2020 was 2.4 trillion (or 2,426.1 billion) yen, a 3.5% shrink compared to 2019. Nevertheless, the fact that it was a small-scale contraction can be actually seen as a positive surprise for the industry. Due to the spread of COVID-19 in 2020, the scale of economic activities was restricted; there were many who anticipated a bigger loss. Relative to the other industries such as music, film, and tourism, the 3.5% figure appears to indicate a smaller impact. However, in reality, the 2020 numbers are not as fortuitous as they appear at first glance. COVID-19 actually had an enormous impact. There are two major factors making the numbers look magically lucrative: The first is that, while the domestic industry contracted, the global anime industry outside Japan grew. The second is that Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba was an unprecedented hit that pushed the overall numbers up. The Reversed Positions of the Japanese (Domestic) and Overseas Markets The reality is that if you only look at the domestic market in Japan, its overall size was 1.18 trillion (or 1,186.7 billion) yen—a steep 9.7% contraction compared to the previous year. On the other hand, the overall anime market outside Japan experienced a 3.2% growth to reach 1.2 trillion (or 1,239.4 billion) yen. The overseas market size surpassed the domestic market for the very first time. Since 2012, the global anime market has been experiencing sharp growth; for years, it was expected that it would catch up to the Japanese market. Nevertheless, it took quite a while for the tables to eventually turn because the domestic market has continued to experience steady growth. The flip happened suddenly under COVID-19. The domestic market can be divided into eight major sectors: TV, Film, Home Video, Streaming, Merchandise, Music, Amusement (Pachinko and Pachislot), and Live Entertainment. Among these sectors, streaming was the only one to experience growth. (It grew by 35.8% to 93 billion yen.) The Live Entertainment sector in particular saw a major blow, falling 65.6% to 29 billion. This is because fan events, exhibits, concerts, stage performances, etc. saw a consecutive string of cancellations, postponements, and scale-downs. 2020 was a very difficult period for domestic businesses. The difficulties faced by domestic businesses can also be seen in the anime industry market if you calculate it separately from the retail market. When you consider only the revenue from anime production companies, the earnings in 2020 amounted to 274.4 billion yen, a significant contraction of 9% compared to the previous year. Despite the slump in entertainment industries around the world, anime's global market expanded. A large factor behind this was online streaming. Streaming was one of the few areas in entertainment that grew under COVID-19; its expansion around the world is connected to the increased demand for Japanese anime. The post-2012 growth of the global anime market can be attributed to the rise in users of legal streaming services, which has increased the number of fans, which has then in turn expanded the consumption of anime-related goods and services. Even under COVID-19, this feedback loop has been continuing. The Box Office and Merch Sales Supported by the Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba Phenomenon Another outlier in the overall numbers is the huge hit that was Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba. Demon Slayer-related consumption propped up the entire market. Take, for instance, the box office revenue. Japan's domestic box office earnings dropped by 45.1%, nearly half the amount from the previous year, but Japanese anime films alone earned 61.7 billion yen (a 10.8% reduction from the previous year). They managed to maintain such a high standard that 2020 represented the third-highest yearly earnings for that sector in history. On its own, Demon Slayer – Kimetsu no Yaiba – The Movie: Mugen Train accounted for 38.7 billion yen (40.3 billion if you count 2021 as well), becoming the top domestic film of all time. 60% of the year's box office revenue for Japanese anime films came from just one title. The box office in 2020 was not in a good state overall. Evangelion: 3.0+1.0: Thrice Upon A Time and Detective Conan: The Scarlet Bullet, which were both expected to be big hits, were delayed to 2021, and the Pokémon, Doraemon, and Crayon Shin-chan films performed well below their yearly average. Demon Slayer also had a significant effect on anime-related merchandise sales. Even as stores and retailers reduced the scale of their operations and closed their shutters for extended periods of time, the anime-related merchandise market reported earnings of 581.9 billion yen, a mere 0.8% decrease from the previous year. This can also be attributed to the explosive sales of Demon Slayer merch. The title was supported by a broad slice of the populace from children to adults, and the merchandise encompassed a broad range of categories, including toys, apparel, snacks, foodstuffs, and accessories. If Demon Slayer was not included in the Animation Industry Report, then the anime-related merchandise market would probably have seen a major contraction. An Avid Demand For Anime and a Spike in Production Budgets The 2020 statistics might be out, but where are things headed in 2021 and beyond? One can expect more positive results for the anime business climate in 2021 compared to 2020. This is because, although COVID-19 is still continuing, new business structures have been laid to account for it. In the survey about how they feel about the current economic climate, there is a growing number of responses among AJA's member businesses indicating a more optimistic outlook about their results. The number of film and TV anime productions was also part of the decline in the domestic market in 2020. However, this was not due to a loss in demand for anime, but because productions were temporarily suspended and/or had their broadcasts delayed, meaning that they took longer to submit the product. The demand for anime productions is still huge. Japan's major anime studios all have their production lines fully booked for the next several years. Business is booming to such an extent that there is hardly any room to slot in new projects. This state of affairs was no different before COVID-19. Some might say that there are too many titles, but streaming, game, film companies, TV stations, etc. both in Japan and abroad are actually pitching more anime projects than ever. The large quantity of productions will continue for the foreseeable future. Labor Shortages and Production Studio Reforms The keen demand for titles causes another problem: Production costs are rising steeply, and there are not enough workers to keep up. In the business survey of the Animation Industry Report, many studios indicate that their production budgets have been escalating. Because the specifics of anime production budgets are industry secrets, very little of it becomes public. Furthermore, the criteria for determining budgets differs depending on the type of the title, so there are significant fluctuations between kids titles and late-night titles aimed at adults, as well as between 2D and 3D productions. Nevertheless, it has been said that around 10 years ago, the production committee would pay around 12-15 million yen for a single episode of a late night anime. In the blink of an eye, it became 18 million, and now at least 20 million yen is a prerequisite these days. It is not uncommon to find titles that cost over 30 million or even 50 million yen per episode. Despite the ballooning production costs, however, there are many anime production companies that are in a difficult position. Teikoku Databank reported that 37.7% of anime production companies were in the red in 2020. The reason is because the actual production costs climb at a faster pace than the raise in budgets can account for. When the businesses and the production committees foot the high budgets, they expect a high-quality title, and because of this, they need skilled staff and even more people. Due to the labor shortages, the wages for skilled animators, CG creators, background artists, etc. have been increasing. There has also been a rise in investment in digital workflows. The recent push to improve the work environment in order to secure more manpower might be good news for the staff, but those are additional expenses for the company. The schedule delays on short-staffed productions and incessant retakes are also factors that make costs go up. As a result, studios have not been seeing much increase in profit. To resolve this problem, budgets need to expand even further, and a stable system must be put in place to address labor shortages. Long-term training courses for new staff are being established one after the other, including Sunrise's “Animation Cram School,” MAPPA's “New Animator Training Joint Project,” Studio Ponoc's “'Principles of Animation' Program (PPAP),” and Wit Studio's “WIT Animator Academy.” However, only prominent studios with robust operations can take on this kind of initiative, while small and mid-sized studios can't quite muster it. I expect to see the divide in pay and work environments for animators and production assistants to become more extreme in the future. Beyond 2022: Anime Becomes Even More Global Currently, a great deal of the demand for anime titles is coming from overseas. Original anime projects from companies such as Netflix and Crunchyroll are pouring new capital into the anime industry. Along with North America, which has large streaming companies, China with its mammoth population has played a big role in creating the recent foreign capital. North America and China are the two biggest foreign markets. However, looking past 2022, it appears that the global market's growth pattern is set to change. Due to strengthening regulations in China, it has been getting riskier to develop titles there. On the other hand, the demand from North America is strengthening. In October 2021, Disney+ made a new announcement that it will begin streaming Japanese anime worldwide. Furthermore, services such as HBO Max, Peacock+, and AppleTV+ are trying to get access to Japanese anime. It is highly possible that Japanese anime will depend even more strongly on North America. In order for Japanese businesses to avoid one-sided business and maintain balance, I expect that going forward they will seek development across broad regions such as Europe and Southeast Asia. There are signs of change when it comes to the competitive value of Japanese anime overseas. Because of the shortage of Japanese anime studios, there have been movements to produce anime-style titles in South Korea, Taiwan, China, and even Thailand. Within China in particular, there have been unique anime-style properties based on Chinese source material. These titles have entered the market and have started picking up popularity. The strengthened barrier for entry for Japanese anime within the Chinese market will enforce the growth of home-grown anime titles in China. In the mid-to-long term, it is quite likely that Japan's monopoly of the anime style will end, and the production and consumption of anime will become even more global. |
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| there is lot to unpack here. the industry adaptation is remarkable. hope industry can take advantage these new challenge. the labor lack of payment has been huge issue. sadly i have to say thanks for covid to exacerbate issue to the extreme created labor shortage that ironically bring the issue to the light. overseas importance has been huge debate in community. i wonder what MAL forum community take on this. personally i am fine with more investment, but i guess have to get used with moreseries designed to be more "globally marketable". as kadokawa CEO said. streaming now definitely become lion share in industry and cannot be ignored. this made those streaming platform huge influence in the industry. also that KNY number, DAMN SON. |
KumaNov 3, 2021 8:20 PM
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| Kimetsu no Yaiba, Goes to show all it takes is one spectularly animated episode to become a global sensation |
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| People all throughout the world love anime for its expression of Japanese culture and stories. With Japan`s declining population, the foreign markets were eventually going to overtake the domestic market. Catering to the foreign audience is fine as long as they do not go woke. There is massive demand for stuff like No Game No Life s2. As long as they pay attention to the actual consumers over some woke twitter npcs, the result should be interesting and in the industries favor. On a side note: I hope Netflix funds more anime like more Baki. |
rohan121Nov 3, 2021 8:49 PM
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| Kny is saving anime lol Damn, there's a lot of potential change to foresee just from the past couple of years. Crazy. |
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| Pretty expected decline due to COVID. |
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| Chinese anime sucks and have tons of subjects they are not allowed to make it on. How exactly are they a "threat"? Not to mention most of their anime is 3d historical garbage |
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| Can't say much but still coronavirus destroy world economy. It will take some years to get back to normal. Just pray to God that everything set to normal as soon as possible. |
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rohan121 said: Oh no the WOKES are going to ruin anime! reeeeeeeeePeople all throughout the world love anime for its expression of Japanese culture and stories. With Japan`s declining population, the foreign markets were eventually going to overtake the domestic market. Catering to the foreign audience is fine as long as they do not go woke. There is massive demand for stuff like No Game No Life s2. As long as they pay attention to the actual consumers over some woke twitter npcs, the result should be interesting and in the industries favor. On a side note: I hope Netflix funds more anime like more Baki. Seriously every time someone talks about the influence of America in the anime industry people points out the "wokeness", kinda weird when you consider American companies like Crunchyroll and Funimation have been helping to produce animes which are the opposite of woke: Shield hero, How not summon a demon lord, Citrus etc... |
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| well actually if anime declines it will be a blessing in disguise for me. i really want to focus on studies now and get rid of this habit. and if no anime is there then nothing to watch |
You all have to undrestand that Chainsaw man is impossible to adapt without CG. |
| Demon slayer being doing some savings to the industry. |
 just wanna feel wanted by someone other than the police 😫 |
| holy based, the writing on the wall is that its on the breaking point and its inevitable crash or irrelevance in the future is soon to pass. what a great riddance. |
MadanielFL said: rohan121 said: Oh no the WOKES are going to ruin anime! reeeeeeeeePeople all throughout the world love anime for its expression of Japanese culture and stories. With Japan`s declining population, the foreign markets were eventually going to overtake the domestic market. Catering to the foreign audience is fine as long as they do not go woke. There is massive demand for stuff like No Game No Life s2. As long as they pay attention to the actual consumers over some woke twitter npcs, the result should be interesting and in the industries favor. On a side note: I hope Netflix funds more anime like more Baki. Seriously every time someone talks about the influence of America in the anime industry people points out the "wokeness", kinda weird when you consider American companies like Crunchyroll and Funimation have been helping to produce animes which are the opposite of woke: Shield hero, How not summon a demon lord, Citrus etc... Don't forget the new classic, high guardian spice. Everyone loved that. |
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Kayle_x_Morgana said: ah yes im clearly talking about High Guradian Spice here…MadanielFL said: Oh no the WOKES are going to ruin anime! reeeeeeeee Seriously every time someone talks about the influence of America in the anime industry people points out the "wokeness", kinda weird when you consider American companies like Crunchyroll and Funimation have been helping to produce animes which are the opposite of woke: Shield hero, How not summon a demon lord, Citrus etc... Don't forget the new classic, high guardian spice. Everyone loved that. I literally used the word ANIME |
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deg said: it's expected as CCP currently try to tightening control the entertainment industry over "outsider value influence". anime is just one of them, i think K-POP hit the hardest. even local entertainment industry hit hard (like recent ban on "feminine" male). AJA expert has been predicting this for 3 year.ye if the Anime Industry cannot solve the Animator Shortage Crisis going on then expect China and South Korea made anime to be more popular worldwide in the future and the Anime Industry might lose China on its market target eh rohan121 said: People all throughout the world love anime for its expression of Japanese culture and stories. With Japan`s declining population, the foreign markets were eventually going to overtake the domestic market. Catering to the foreign audience is fine as long as they do not go woke. There is massive demand for stuff like No Game No Life s2. As long as they pay attention to the actual consumers over some woke twitter npcs, the result should be interesting and in the industries favor. On a side note: I hope Netflix funds more anime like more Baki. what is woke? ohohohohohoho said: When you look at to what extent the industry is kept afloat on the good results of a single IP (Demonslayer), the fact that there is a high demand for product and studios are fully booked is not necessarily impressive or hopeful. So the studios produce a bunch of anime, nobody likes any of them, the studios remain in debt, the industry lives on the back of one big hit. It's a terrible situation. And it's kind of gross. People clamor for shit and then don't even like what they get but keep clamoring for more shit. Because the market is expanding they want to make more and more anime, but they don't have the loose money or manpower to make it, so they can't make anything good. What would be good to do is make less anime, and pay talented people more money, but the industry is not in a position to do something like that. They can't bet on a single work to sell, especially not an original work, so they have to cover their asses. Large part of the reason for this situation precisely is that the IP studios work with is largely not original, they are constantly making tie-in or ported product on behalf of investors in other industries. Anime industry makes its livelihood riding coattails. umm, the article said the damand is there. the studio hardly made profit noted caused by increase cost and studio it self spending lot on investment (mostly for training new animator). not that anime that produced isn't liked. it was, that's why the demand soo high. Kayle_x_Morgana said: Chinese anime sucks and have tons of subjects they are not allowed to make it on. How exactly are they a "threat"? Not to mention most of their anime is 3d historical garbage cheaper labor. |
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Kuma said: deg said: it's expected as CCP currently try to tightening control the entertainment industry over "outsider value influence". anime is just one of them, i think K-POP hit the hardest. even local entertainment industry hit hard (like recent ban on "feminine" male). AJA expert has been predicting this for 3 year.ye if the Anime Industry cannot solve the Animator Shortage Crisis going on then expect China and South Korea made anime to be more popular worldwide in the future and the Anime Industry might lose China on its market target eh rohan121 said: People all throughout the world love anime for its expression of Japanese culture and stories. With Japan`s declining population, the foreign markets were eventually going to overtake the domestic market. Catering to the foreign audience is fine as long as they do not go woke. There is massive demand for stuff like No Game No Life s2. As long as they pay attention to the actual consumers over some woke twitter npcs, the result should be interesting and in the industries favor. On a side note: I hope Netflix funds more anime like more Baki. what is woke? ohohohohohoho said: When you look at to what extent the industry is kept afloat on the good results of a single IP (Demonslayer), the fact that there is a high demand for product and studios are fully booked is not necessarily impressive or hopeful. So the studios produce a bunch of anime, nobody likes any of them, the studios remain in debt, the industry lives on the back of one big hit. It's a terrible situation. And it's kind of gross. People clamor for shit and then don't even like what they get but keep clamoring for more shit. Because the market is expanding they want to make more and more anime, but they don't have the loose money or manpower to make it, so they can't make anything good. What would be good to do is make less anime, and pay talented people more money, but the industry is not in a position to do something like that. They can't bet on a single work to sell, especially not an original work, so they have to cover their asses. Large part of the reason for this situation precisely is that the IP studios work with is largely not original, they are constantly making tie-in or ported product on behalf of investors in other industries. Anime industry makes its livelihood riding coattails. umm, the article said the damand is there. the studio hardly made profit noted caused by increase cost and studio it self spending lot on investment (mostly for training new animator). not that anime that produced isn't liked. it was, that's why the demand soo high. Kayle_x_Morgana said: Chinese anime sucks and have tons of subjects they are not allowed to make it on. How exactly are they a "threat"? Not to mention most of their anime is 3d historical garbage cheaper labor. so what if it is? What if the product is ass and no one buys it? |
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| "Despite the slump in entertainment industries around the world, anime's global market expanded." it's not like other media is producing anything worthwhile, so there's that. the west is extremely censor happy, things they hate: fanservice of any kind violence and gore stories that aren't "inclusive" they HATE everything that makes anime popular. there's a reason why everyone thew their shit into the trash. |
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Kayle_x_Morgana said: hmm? the anime you watched, lot of them outsourced to chinese. that's the whole reason AJA reporting it.so what if it is? What if the product is ass and no one buys it? nyugvo6 said: "Despite the slump in entertainment industries around the world, anime's global market expanded." it's not like other media is producing anything worthwhile, so there's that. the west is extremely censor happy, things they hate: fanservice of any kind violence and gore stories that aren't "inclusive" they HATE everything that makes anime popular. there's a reason why everyone thew their shit into the trash. for what anime is worth, japan medium IS pretty inclusive. |
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Kuma said: Kayle_x_Morgana said: hmm? the anime you watched, lot of them outsourced to chinese. that's the whole reason AJA reporting it.so what if it is? What if the product is ass and no one buys it? nyugvo6 said: "Despite the slump in entertainment industries around the world, anime's global market expanded." it's not like other media is producing anything worthwhile, so there's that. the west is extremely censor happy, things they hate: fanservice of any kind violence and gore stories that aren't "inclusive" they HATE everything that makes anime popular. there's a reason why everyone thew their shit into the trash. for what anime is worth, japan medium IS pretty inclusive. you are absolutely correct. that's why I put the word in brackets in the first place. |
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Kayle_x_Morgana said: MadanielFL said: Oh no the WOKES are going to ruin anime! reeeeeeeee Seriously every time someone talks about the influence of America in the anime industry people points out the "wokeness", kinda weird when you consider American companies like Crunchyroll and Funimation have been helping to produce animes which are the opposite of woke: Shield hero, How not summon a demon lord, Citrus etc... Don't forget the new classic, high guardian spice. Everyone loved that. Why do people call High Guardian Spice an Anime when it's clearly an American Cartoon? This is Avatar the last airbender situation all over again. |
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| well I guess this is something we have to keep a look out for in the future |
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| Honestly most of this information isn't really unexpected though hopefully we see growth next year with hopefully everything stabilizing. Interesting there has been a spike in production budgets and even if some studios can't afford it the fact wages are going up is a good thing. We might head to a crash where smaller or poorly run studios die though due to increasing costs though. We may get to a point that yeah more Asian countries develop their industries and the monopoly on high quality YA/adult animation is not held by japan. That said if it does lead to quality storytelling I don't really care. Competition is a good thing. |
Uncivilized said: no, that's a bad take. more money to creator to give more incentive to produce more product is in general a good thing.Anime should remain unpopular in my opinion BilboBaggins365 said: We may get to a point that yeah more Asian countries develop their industries and the monopoly on high quality YA/adult animation is not held by japan. That said if it does lead to quality storytelling I don't really care. Competition is a good thing. china has sadly taken step back in artistic freedom of expression sadly. so i don't think china will ever replace japan in artistic field internationally. japan lose chinese market is expected however. and i think china market will become isolated with slow decline. |
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DeepRiver said: Honestly i dont know about this, considering stuff like Invincible is incredible popular over here. I didn't mean "westerners don't like violence" I mean your overlords outright deny you these type of joys. Invincible started out when I was really into comics. it was published by image, they don't care about outrage mobs or regulations. image was founded because mcfarlane and other artists at marvel got fed up with the editors. I see invincible as an exemption, it's done right because of it's origin. I've watched it. it was a fun ride, but they made some very questionable changes to the show. I'm 100% watching the next season whenever it happens. |
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MadanielFL said: rohan121 said: Oh no the WOKES are going to ruin anime! reeeeeeeeePeople all throughout the world love anime for its expression of Japanese culture and stories. With Japan`s declining population, the foreign markets were eventually going to overtake the domestic market. Catering to the foreign audience is fine as long as they do not go woke. There is massive demand for stuff like No Game No Life s2. As long as they pay attention to the actual consumers over some woke twitter npcs, the result should be interesting and in the industries favor. On a side note: I hope Netflix funds more anime like more Baki. Seriously every time someone talks about the influence of America in the anime industry people points out the "wokeness", kinda weird when you consider American companies like Crunchyroll and Funimation have been helping to produce animes which are the opposite of woke: Shield hero, How not summon a demon lord, Citrus etc... Because companies like Crunchyroll are/is American woke garbage, just because funimatiion and crunchyroll "help" produce "west" release, doesn't mean that if able they wouldn't "woke" the content to death, they would, they even use censorship if they able. High Guardian Spice is in all intents and purpose is produced by Crunchyroll Studios (formerly named Ellation), that to me just like netflix, type and kind of demographic, people, and influences in regarding there mindsets, if crunchyroll wasn't some woketarded shill do you honestly think they would of green lit High Guardian Spice?, what about cuties from netflix? if able, they will gender swap, race swap, add random poc for inclusive just like a tickbox for all the "RANBOWS", at the cost of story/plot and quality. So yeah i am happy that Japanese animators/story/manga's have large control in the direction, just look how trash comics are now? filled with woketardsim, to the point its alienated its fanbase, to the point that manga is more popular then COMICS!. So no REEEEE, its more like trash content that only nutjobs in LA USA care about. |
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joe_own said: I honestly feel sad for people who still use terms such as "sjw"and "woke" in 2021, we are not in 2016 anymore, GROW UP.MadanielFL said: Oh no the WOKES are going to ruin anime! reeeeeeeee Seriously every time someone talks about the influence of America in the anime industry people points out the "wokeness", kinda weird when you consider American companies like Crunchyroll and Funimation have been helping to produce animes which are the opposite of woke: Shield hero, How not summon a demon lord, Citrus etc... Because companies like Crunchyroll are/is American woke garbage, just because funimatiion and crunchyroll "help" produce "west" release, doesn't mean that if able they wouldn't "woke" the content to death, they would, they even use censorship if they able. High Guardian Spice is in all intents and purpose is produced by Crunchyroll Studios (formerly named Ellation), that to me just like netflix, type and kind of demographic, people, and influences in regarding there mindsets, if crunchyroll wasn't some woketarded shill do you honestly think they would of green lit High Guardian Spice?, what about cuties from netflix? if able, they will gender swap, race swap, add random poc for inclusive just like a tickbox for all the "RANBOWS", at the cost of story/plot and quality. So yeah i am happy that Japanese animators/story/manga's have large control in the direction, just look how trash comics are now? filled with woketardsim, to the point its alienated its fanbase, to the point that manga is more popular then COMICS!. So no REEEEE, its more like trash content that only nutjobs in LA USA care about. People like you are the type to watch videos by Rev and Hero Hei and believe every word they say, these anti-sjw youtubers are constantly spreading the most blunt lies and you are another victim of that wave of misinformation. You actually believe Funimation and Crunchyroll censor anime, well then let me tell you they DON'T. Not only they can't but they don't, anime in those streaming platforms literally simulcast hours if not minutes after the Japanese broadcast, they don't have the time or resources to remove content that wouldn't be "acceptable", not only they can't but even if they could they don't, both Crunchyroll and Funimation have a large variety of animes on their platforms that are already completely uncensored. Mirai nikki (this one contains rape), Prison School (all characters are technically minors), High school dxd (same as the last one), Testament of sister new devil (literally loli hentai), How not summon a demon lord (has a weird view on slavery), and there are others which would made this list too long. All of these anime are completely uncensored and both companies seem to have no problem in making dubs for them or even releasing the blu-rays and promoting them. Crunchyroll literary this very season is co-producing the anime adaptation for The World's finest assassin, and the anime added a scene which contains uncensored boobs of a 12 year old character, and this scene is not even present in the LN, so by this logic Crunchyroll is actually doing the opposite of censorship and is totally fine in adding nude 12 year old girls to an anime. If you still believe that Crunchyroll and Funimation are "woketards" and that they want to censor anything that is not "acceptable" then I suggest you do some research because there's ton of evidence proving that's not even close to being true. |
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MadanielFL said: joe_own said: I honestly feel sad for people who still use terms such as "sjw"and "woke" in 2021, we are not in 2016 anymore, GROW UP.Because companies like Crunchyroll are/is American woke garbage, just because funimatiion and crunchyroll "help" produce "west" release, doesn't mean that if able they wouldn't "woke" the content to death, they would, they even use censorship if they able. High Guardian Spice is in all intents and purpose is produced by Crunchyroll Studios (formerly named Ellation), that to me just like netflix, type and kind of demographic, people, and influences in regarding there mindsets, if crunchyroll wasn't some woketarded shill do you honestly think they would of green lit High Guardian Spice?, what about cuties from netflix? if able, they will gender swap, race swap, add random poc for inclusive just like a tickbox for all the "RANBOWS", at the cost of story/plot and quality. So yeah i am happy that Japanese animators/story/manga's have large control in the direction, just look how trash comics are now? filled with woketardsim, to the point its alienated its fanbase, to the point that manga is more popular then COMICS!. So no REEEEE, its more like trash content that only nutjobs in LA USA care about. People like you are the type to watch videos by Rev and Hero Hei and believe every word they say, these anti-sjw youtubers are constantly spreading the most blunt lies and you are another victim of that wave of misinformation. You actually believe Funimation and Crunchyroll censor anime, well then let me tell you they DON'T. Not only they can't but they don't, anime in those streaming platforms literally simulcast hours if not minutes after the Japanese broadcast, they don't have the time or resources to remove content that wouldn't be "acceptable", not only they can't but even if they could they don't, both Crunchyroll and Funimation have a large variety of animes on their platforms that are already completely uncensored. Mirai nikki (this one contains rape), Prison School (all characters are technically minors), High school dxd (same as the last one), Testament of sister new devil (literally loli hentai), How not summon a demon lord (has a weird view on slavery), and there are others which would made this list too long. All of these anime are completely uncensored and both companies seem to have no problem in making dubs for them or even releasing the blu-rays and promoting them. Crunchyroll literary this very season is co-producing the anime adaptation for The World's finest assassin, and the anime added a scene which contains uncensored boobs of a 12 year old character, and this scene is not even present in the LN, so by this logic Crunchyroll is actually doing the opposite of censorship and is totally fine in adding nude 12 year old girls to an anime. If you still believe that Crunchyroll and Funimation are "woketards" and that they want to censor anything that is not "acceptable" then I suggest you do some research because there's ton of evidence proving that's not even close to being true. You must be really young or ignorant as all hell, i have done my research, i think you just don't understand, simply from ignorance, i'm not here to having ego pissing contest with you, the moment you lost any creditability was moment you started acting like you know better, but plenty of anime from funimation is censored, some of it gets uncensored when its dvd/BD released, but not all of it, and everyone know crunchyroll is bunch of blue haired whacko's, fact you ignore crunchyrolls exclusive animation Guardian Spice proofs your narrative is just one filled with ignorance, not all licensing agreements allow funimation or Crunchyroll to change anything, they are not content creators, they held to an agreement and law biding contract with each company, question is why you so triggered? this is nothing to do with youtube, not sure what you on about, censored anime is real, not everything is censored due to legal reasons, that doesn't mean the corporate heads of these companies are some how not part of woke garbage, simply put they "would" if they "could" and "have" when "allowed" |
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joe_own said: Yes and the ones responsible for the censorship are the Japanese tv broadcast laws not the American licensors. MadanielFL said: I honestly feel sad for people who still use terms such as "sjw"and "woke" in 2021, we are not in 2016 anymore, GROW UP. People like you are the type to watch videos by Rev and Hero Hei and believe every word they say, these anti-sjw youtubers are constantly spreading the most blunt lies and you are another victim of that wave of misinformation. You actually believe Funimation and Crunchyroll censor anime, well then let me tell you they DON'T. Not only they can't but they don't, anime in those streaming platforms literally simulcast hours if not minutes after the Japanese broadcast, they don't have the time or resources to remove content that wouldn't be "acceptable", not only they can't but even if they could they don't, both Crunchyroll and Funimation have a large variety of animes on their platforms that are already completely uncensored. Mirai nikki (this one contains rape), Prison School (all characters are technically minors), High school dxd (same as the last one), Testament of sister new devil (literally loli hentai), How not summon a demon lord (has a weird view on slavery), and there are others which would made this list too long. All of these anime are completely uncensored and both companies seem to have no problem in making dubs for them or even releasing the blu-rays and promoting them. Crunchyroll literary this very season is co-producing the anime adaptation for The World's finest assassin, and the anime added a scene which contains uncensored boobs of a 12 year old character, and this scene is not even present in the LN, so by this logic Crunchyroll is actually doing the opposite of censorship and is totally fine in adding nude 12 year old girls to an anime. If you still believe that Crunchyroll and Funimation are "woketards" and that they want to censor anything that is not "acceptable" then I suggest you do some research because there's ton of evidence proving that's not even close to being true. You must be really young or ignorant as all hell, i have done my research, i think you just don't understand, simply from ignorance, i'm not here to having ego pissing contest with you, the moment you lost any creditability was moment you started acting like you know better, but plenty of anime from funimation is censored, some of it gets uncensored when its dvd/BD released, but not all of it, and everyone know crunchyroll is bunch of blue haired whacko's, fact you ignore crunchyrolls exclusive animation Guardian Spice proofs your narrative is just one filled with ignorance, not all licensing agreements allow funimation or Crunchyroll to change anything, they are not content creators, they held to an agreement and law biding contract with each company, question is why you so triggered? this is nothing to do with youtube, not sure what you on about, censored anime is real, not everything is censored due to legal reasons, that doesn't mean the corporate heads of these companies are some how not part of woke garbage, simply put they "would" if they "could" and "have" when "allowed" And did you even read what I wrote? Crunchyroll literally co-produced an anime which contains nude 12 year old girls, Crunchyroll in the past also co-produced animes such as: Citrus (romanticized sexual assault), Senran Kagura (famous ecchi anime with uncensored version), How not summon a demon lord (paints a positive view of slavery), if you gonna point Crunchyroll's role in making High Guardian Spice then why don't you talk about Crunchryoll's role in making these animes??? It truly does seem you have no idea what you are talking about, but hey Crunhyroll is a bunch of woke blue haired feminist weirdos right? Because that makes total sense. |
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MadanielFL said: joe_own said: Yes and the ones responsible for the censorship are the Japanese tv broadcast laws not the American licensors. You must be really young or ignorant as all hell, i have done my research, i think you just don't understand, simply from ignorance, i'm not here to having ego pissing contest with you, the moment you lost any creditability was moment you started acting like you know better, but plenty of anime from funimation is censored, some of it gets uncensored when its dvd/BD released, but not all of it, and everyone know crunchyroll is bunch of blue haired whacko's, fact you ignore crunchyrolls exclusive animation Guardian Spice proofs your narrative is just one filled with ignorance, not all licensing agreements allow funimation or Crunchyroll to change anything, they are not content creators, they held to an agreement and law biding contract with each company, question is why you so triggered? this is nothing to do with youtube, not sure what you on about, censored anime is real, not everything is censored due to legal reasons, that doesn't mean the corporate heads of these companies are some how not part of woke garbage, simply put they "would" if they "could" and "have" when "allowed" And did you even read what I wrote? Crunchyroll literally co-produced an anime which contains nude 12 year old girls, Crunchyroll in the past also co-produced animes such as: Citrus (romanticized sexual assault), Senran Kagura (famous ecchi anime with uncensored version), How not summon a demon lord (paints a positive view of slavery), if you gonna point Crunchyroll's role in making High Guardian Spice then why don't you talk about Crunchryoll's role in making these animes??? It truly does seem you have no idea what you are talking about, but hey Crunhyroll is a bunch of woke blue haired feminist weirdos right? Because that makes total sense. I think you unable to take the L, because you have the idea because crunchyroll Co-produced something or somethings, that they somehow had full control over it, i wonder if you read the legal documentation when crunchyroll "co-production" anything. simply investing money in bed with another company, in these situation, i can say unless they have majority shares, and or the legal contract allowed them have creative control over the creators then boss says so, then it is simply an investment return, only thing i know crunchroll fully developed, published and made by themselves was Guardian Spice, everything was just funding, to create Exclusive/Originals seeking outside of there own, going to animator studio's who still have bigger companies that overwrite anything Crunchyroll would like, this is business 101. this is why company like netflix can outsource other production company's for exclusives, or have in-house studios, same with games,. Lets look at Citrus as example that you picked, you can look at MAL Producers: Sotsu, Lantis, AT-X, KlockWorx, Happinet Pictures, BS Fuji, Tokyo MX, Infinite, Children's Playground Entertainment, Ichijinsha, Crunchyroll SC Anime Fund Notice how many there is? right? what makes you think Crunchyroll has creative power over the studio? they don't one of these producers has the bigger D then rest. Sorry to burst your bubble, this comes down to "if they could they would" situation as i said, because if they was allowed have free creative freedom and control over the animation studio, they would other censor it, or woke it. and only thing you can base crunchyroll on is there history, they only ever made one animation on there own with full creative control. Crunchyroll is in CA USA enough said. Here is a simple google shows on MAL forums https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1832649 talking about censorship here is reddit talking about how some stuff gets censored https://www.reddit.com/r/animepiracy/comments/9wa36i/list_of_anime_that_is_censored_on_funimation_and/ ofc i could spam 20 odd links but i think i made my point clear. |
joe_ownNov 6, 2021 2:13 PM
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joe_own said: MadanielFL said: Oh no the WOKES are going to ruin anime! reeeeeeeee Seriously every time someone talks about the influence of America in the anime industry people points out the "wokeness", kinda weird when you consider American companies like Crunchyroll and Funimation have been helping to produce animes which are the opposite of woke: Shield hero, How not summon a demon lord, Citrus etc... Because companies like Crunchyroll are/is American woke garbage, just because funimatiion and crunchyroll "help" produce "west" release, doesn't mean that if able they wouldn't "woke" the content to death, they would, they even use censorship if they able. So yeah i am happy that Japanese animators/story/manga's have large control in the direction, just look how trash comics are now? filled with woketardsim, to the point its alienated its fanbase, to the point that manga is more popular then COMICS!. So no REEEEE, its more like trash content that only nutjobs in LA USA care about. japan has stronger censorship laws than US, lmao. why do you think their porn pixelated and they are rarely talk about current japan politics? it's not artistic freedom. it's literally censorship. so are you saying japan is "woke?". i don't even know what woke is. where the hell this idealized view of japan even come from? what even is woke? |
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joe_own said: Total BS yet again MadanielFL said: Yes and the ones responsible for the censorship are the Japanese tv broadcast laws not the American licensors. And did you even read what I wrote? Crunchyroll literally co-produced an anime which contains nude 12 year old girls, Crunchyroll in the past also co-produced animes such as: Citrus (romanticized sexual assault), Senran Kagura (famous ecchi anime with uncensored version), How not summon a demon lord (paints a positive view of slavery), if you gonna point Crunchyroll's role in making High Guardian Spice then why don't you talk about Crunchryoll's role in making these animes??? It truly does seem you have no idea what you are talking about, but hey Crunhyroll is a bunch of woke blue haired feminist weirdos right? Because that makes total sense. I think you unable to take the L, because you have the idea because crunchyroll Co-produced something or somethings, that they somehow had full control over it, i wonder if you read the legal documentation when crunchyroll "co-production" anything. simply investing money in bed with another company, in these situation, i can say unless they have majority shares, and or the legal contract allowed them have creative control over the creators then boss says so, then it is simply an investment return, only thing i know crunchroll fully developed, published and made by themselves was Guardian Spice, everything was just funding, to create Exclusive/Originals seeking outside of there own, going to animator studio's who still have bigger companies that overwrite anything Crunchyroll would like, this is business 101. this is why company like netflix can outsource other production company's for exclusives, or have in-house studios, same with games,. Lets look at Citrus as example that you picked, you can look at MAL Producers: Sotsu, Lantis, AT-X, KlockWorx, Happinet Pictures, BS Fuji, Tokyo MX, Infinite, Children's Playground Entertainment, Ichijinsha, Crunchyroll SC Anime Fund Notice how many there is? right? what makes you think Crunchyroll has creative power over the studio? they don't one of these producers has the bigger D then rest. Sorry to burst your bubble, this comes down to "if they could they would" situation as i said, because if they was allowed have free creative freedom and control over the animation studio, they would other censor it, or woke it. and only thing you can base crunchyroll on is there history, they only ever made one animation on there own with full creative control. Crunchyroll is in CA USA enough said. Here is a simple google shows on MAL forums https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1832649 talking about censorship here is reddit talking about how some stuff gets censored https://www.reddit.com/r/animepiracy/comments/9wa36i/list_of_anime_that_is_censored_on_funimation_and/ ofc i could spam 20 odd links but i think i made my point clear. That reddit post already start with something that's not 100% true, How not summon a demon lord is licensed by Crunchyroll therefore you can ONLY watch the uncensored version on Crunchyroll, that person was watching it on Funimation, and the same show is already uncensored on Crunchryoll https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2021/06/18-1/crunchyroll-adds-how-not-to-summon-a-demon-lord-double-summon-simulcast And as I said before and you completely ignored, the censorship comes from Japanese TV broadcast laws, these shows are also censored when you watch it on Japanese TV, the uncensored version only comes later with the blu-ray release, Crunchyroll and Funimation doesn't have an editing team changing the episodes. The MAL forum literally proves nothing, nobody there is using factual arguments and are mostly talking about what they believe. Your 300+ word essay did not prove anything I said wrong, you bring how Crunchyroll is only a producer and has no creative control, yes that may be true, I never said they were the ones that made these anime, all I did was point out how a supposedly "woke" company was investing and helped make animes that according to you they are against it. None of you 300+ words explains why would Crunchyroll invest and help make animes that are obviously the opposite of woke, like for example the second season of Senran Kagura, Crunchyroll obviously knew what they were investing since that was the second season, if Crunchyroll was such a woke company that you claim them to be then why are they even investing in those types of anime in the first place??? Why are woke companies like Crunchryoll and Funimation, making dubs, releasing blu-rays, and promoting those shows, there are many animes that never get dubs or blu-ray releases, but why would something like mirai nikki or Prison School get one? If these companies were so woke they simply wouldn't have done such thing. Why did Crunchyroll add the uncensored version of Testament of Sister New Devil when they could keep having only the censored version? Why did they add the nearly hentai OVA that basically contains an uncensored orgy with a loli on it? You claim that if they could they would censor it, but why do they even add those then? They could just keep the censored version and not have added the OVA but they did, none of your arguments counters any of this. |
MadanielFLNov 6, 2021 3:46 PM
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Kuma said: joe_own said: Because companies like Crunchyroll are/is American woke garbage, just because funimatiion and crunchyroll "help" produce "west" release, doesn't mean that if able they wouldn't "woke" the content to death, they would, they even use censorship if they able. So yeah i am happy that Japanese animators/story/manga's have large control in the direction, just look how trash comics are now? filled with woketardsim, to the point its alienated its fanbase, to the point that manga is more popular then COMICS!. So no REEEEE, its more like trash content that only nutjobs in LA USA care about. japan has stronger censorship laws than US, lmao. why do you think their porn pixelated and they are rarely talk about current japan politics? it's not artistic freedom. it's literally censorship. so are you saying japan is "woke?". i don't even know what woke is. where the hell this idealized view of japan even come from? what even is woke? Kuma said: joe_own said: Because companies like Crunchyroll are/is American woke garbage, just because funimatiion and crunchyroll "help" produce "west" release, doesn't mean that if able they wouldn't "woke" the content to death, they would, they even use censorship if they able. So yeah i am happy that Japanese animators/story/manga's have large control in the direction, just look how trash comics are now? filled with woketardsim, to the point its alienated its fanbase, to the point that manga is more popular then COMICS!. So no REEEEE, its more like trash content that only nutjobs in LA USA care about. japan has stronger censorship laws than US, lmao. why do you think their porn pixelated and they are rarely talk about current japan politics? it's not artistic freedom. it's literally censorship. so are you saying japan is "woke?". i don't even know what woke is. where the hell this idealized view of japan even come from? what even is woke? odd that you don't know what woke is, but this has nothing to do with what you are saying. we not talking about porn here, simply anime is not some political crap to begin with since no one wants that crap even if there was political stuff, it wouldn't be western political ideologies , not sure what you comment is even talking about tbh. |
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MadanielFL said: your whole argument was "they is NO censorship, and Crunchyroll isn't woke" lmao, just because you don't like what i have to say doesn't mean you can try and cover up what you said, crunchyroll is woke, and Funimation does and has censored plenty of anime, there is no discussion., and yeah you soo factual arguments because you totally the authority on correct information lol.joe_own said: Total BS yet again I think you unable to take the L, because you have the idea because crunchyroll Co-produced something or somethings, that they somehow had full control over it, i wonder if you read the legal documentation when crunchyroll "co-production" anything. simply investing money in bed with another company, in these situation, i can say unless they have majority shares, and or the legal contract allowed them have creative control over the creators then boss says so, then it is simply an investment return, only thing i know crunchroll fully developed, published and made by themselves was Guardian Spice, everything was just funding, to create Exclusive/Originals seeking outside of there own, going to animator studio's who still have bigger companies that overwrite anything Crunchyroll would like, this is business 101. this is why company like netflix can outsource other production company's for exclusives, or have in-house studios, same with games,. Lets look at Citrus as example that you picked, you can look at MAL Producers: Sotsu, Lantis, AT-X, KlockWorx, Happinet Pictures, BS Fuji, Tokyo MX, Infinite, Children's Playground Entertainment, Ichijinsha, Crunchyroll SC Anime Fund Notice how many there is? right? what makes you think Crunchyroll has creative power over the studio? they don't one of these producers has the bigger D then rest. Sorry to burst your bubble, this comes down to "if they could they would" situation as i said, because if they was allowed have free creative freedom and control over the animation studio, they would other censor it, or woke it. and only thing you can base crunchyroll on is there history, they only ever made one animation on there own with full creative control. Crunchyroll is in CA USA enough said. Here is a simple google shows on MAL forums https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1832649 talking about censorship here is reddit talking about how some stuff gets censored https://www.reddit.com/r/animepiracy/comments/9wa36i/list_of_anime_that_is_censored_on_funimation_and/ ofc i could spam 20 odd links but i think i made my point clear. That reddit post already start with something that's not 100% true, How not summon a demon lord is licensed by Crunchyroll therefore you can ONLY watch the uncensored version on Crunchyroll, that person was watching it on Funimation, and the same show is already uncensored on Crunchryoll https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2021/06/18-1/crunchyroll-adds-how-not-to-summon-a-demon-lord-double-summon-simulcast And as I said before and you completely ignored, the censorship comes from Japanese TV broadcast laws, these shows are also censored when you watch it on Japanese TV, the uncensored version only comes later with the blu-ray release, Crunchyroll and Funimation doesn't have an editing team changing the episodes. The MAL forum literally proves nothing, nobody there is using factual arguments and are mostly talking about what they believe. Your 300+ word essay did not prove anything I said wrong, you bring how Crunchyroll is only a producer and has no creative control, yes that may be true, I never said they were the ones that made these anime, all I did was point out how a supposedly "woke" company was investing and helped make animes that according to you they are against it. None of you 300+ words explains why would Crunchyroll invest and help make animes that are obviously the opposite of woke, like for example the second season of Senran Kagura, Crunchyroll obviously knew what they were investing since that was the second season, if Crunchyroll was such a woke company that you claim them to be then why are they even investing in those types of anime in the first place??? Why are woke companies like Crunchryoll and Funimation, making dubs, releasing blu-rays, and promoting those shows, there are many animes that never get dubs or blu-ray releases, but why would something like mirai nikki or Prison School get one? If these companies were so woke they simply wouldn't have done such thing. Why did Crunchyroll add the uncensored version of Testament of Sister New Devil when they could keep having only the censored version? Why did they add the nearly hentai OVA that basically contains an uncensored orgy with a loli on it? You claim that if they could they would censor it, but why do they even add those then? They could just keep the censored version and not have added the OVA but they did, none of your arguments counters any of this. |
joe_ownNov 6, 2021 3:54 PM
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joe_own said: ok its done you actually can't argument anymore.MadanielFL said: your whole argument was "they is NO censorship, and Crunchyroll isn't woke" lmao, just because you don't like what i have to say doesn't mean you can try and cover up what you said, crunchyroll is woke, and Funimation does and has censored plenty of anime, there is no discussion., and yeah you soo factual arguments because you totally the authority on correct information lol.Total BS yet again That reddit post already start with something that's not 100% true, How not summon a demon lord is licensed by Crunchyroll therefore you can ONLY watch the uncensored version on Crunchyroll, that person was watching it on Funimation, and the same show is already uncensored on Crunchryoll https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2021/06/18-1/crunchyroll-adds-how-not-to-summon-a-demon-lord-double-summon-simulcast And as I said before and you completely ignored, the censorship comes from Japanese TV broadcast laws, these shows are also censored when you watch it on Japanese TV, the uncensored version only comes later with the blu-ray release, Crunchyroll and Funimation doesn't have an editing team changing the episodes. The MAL forum literally proves nothing, nobody there is using factual arguments and are mostly talking about what they believe. Your 300+ word essay did not prove anything I said wrong, you bring how Crunchyroll is only a producer and has no creative control, yes that may be true, I never said they were the ones that made these anime, all I did was point out how a supposedly "woke" company was investing and helped make animes that according to you they are against it. None of you 300+ words explains why would Crunchyroll invest and help make animes that are obviously the opposite of woke, like for example the second season of Senran Kagura, Crunchyroll obviously knew what they were investing since that was the second season, if Crunchyroll was such a woke company that you claim them to be then why are they even investing in those types of anime in the first place??? Why are woke companies like Crunchryoll and Funimation, making dubs, releasing blu-rays, and promoting those shows, there are many animes that never get dubs or blu-ray releases, but why would something like mirai nikki or Prison School get one? If these companies were so woke they simply wouldn't have done such thing. Why did Crunchyroll add the uncensored version of Testament of Sister New Devil when they could keep having only the censored version? Why did they add the nearly hentai OVA that basically contains an uncensored orgy with a loli on it? You claim that if they could they would censor it, but why do they even add those then? They could just keep the censored version and not have added the OVA but they did, none of your arguments counters any of this. |
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joe_own said: anime IS political, they just refrain to directly explicitly reference current politicians due to censorship. japan artist isn't apolitical or didn't want to express their political view in their works. they definitely does as often express in interview, like recent mamoru hosada interview when he criticize woman idealization on fiction. but they refrain to because again, censorship, and other huge reason is japan in practice is a single party state created high political apathy among the working class in japan. why do you think the cause of huge rise in isekai is? because young people think their works in real life is pointless and has no meaning and they gain bigger success feelings from finishing a game. it's on it's core, resentment towards the current climate in japan.odd that you don't know what woke is, but this has nothing to do with what you are saying. we not talking about porn here, simply anime is not some political crap to begin with since no one wants that crap even if there was political stuff, it wouldn't be western political ideologies , not sure what you comment is even talking about tbh. |
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MadanielFL said: Nope i'm just not here have a ego pissing contest with you just because you can't take an L, sorry can't help you <3 be sure to find someone else to fight with.joe_own said: ok its done you actually can't argument anymore.your whole argument was "they is NO censorship, and Crunchyroll isn't woke" lmao, just because you don't like what i have to say doesn't mean you can try and cover up what you said, crunchyroll is woke, and Funimation does and has censored plenty of anime, there is no discussion., and yeah you soo factual arguments because you totally the authority on correct information lol. |
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joe_own said: Ok go back to your little world still stuck in 2016, I'm gonna go read some light novels now.Nope i'm just not here have a ego pissing contest with you just because you can't take an L, sorry can't help you <3 be sure to find someone else to fight with. |
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Kuma said: Anything is political if you wanna spin it in anyway, we talking about whole point is pointing that anime in it self should refrain from woke and western politics, and keep it with in realm of entertainment and Japanese culture, your point is invalid, because it has nothing to do with anything i said, no one in japan in regarding anime/manga cares for woke american politics, thankfully so. joe_own said: anime IS political, they just refrain to directly explicitly reference current politicians due to censorship. japan artist isn't apolitical or didn't want to express their political view in their works. they definitely does as often express in interview, like recent mamoru hosada interview when he criticize woman idealization on fiction. but they refrain to because again, censorship, and other huge reason is japan in practice is a single party state created high political apathy among the working class in japan. why do you think the cause of huge rise in isekai is? because young people think their works in real life is pointless and has no meaning and they gain bigger success feelings from finishing a game.odd that you don't know what woke is, but this has nothing to do with what you are saying. we not talking about porn here, simply anime is not some political crap to begin with since no one wants that crap even if there was political stuff, it wouldn't be western political ideologies , not sure what you comment is even talking about tbh. |
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MadanielFL said: joe_own said: Ok go back to your little world still stuck in 2016, I'm gonna go read some light novels now.Nope i'm just not here have a ego pissing contest with you just because you can't take an L, sorry can't help you <3 be sure to find someone else to fight with. Better luck next time <3 i have to arrange a shipping of salt today |
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Kuma said: joe_own said: Because companies like Crunchyroll are/is American woke garbage, just because funimatiion and crunchyroll "help" produce "west" release, doesn't mean that if able they wouldn't "woke" the content to death, they would, they even use censorship if they able. So yeah i am happy that Japanese animators/story/manga's have large control in the direction, just look how trash comics are now? filled with woketardsim, to the point its alienated its fanbase, to the point that manga is more popular then COMICS!. So no REEEEE, its more like trash content that only nutjobs in LA USA care about. japan has stronger censorship laws than US, lmao. why do you think their porn pixelated and they are rarely talk about current japan politics? it's not artistic freedom. it's literally censorship. so are you saying japan is "woke?". i don't even know what woke is. where the hell this idealized view of japan even come from? what even is woke? Woke involves 3 may concepts. 1. Affirmative Action prioritize non-white characters. (Very common in advertisements) (Basic Hollywood procedures) Trying to fulfill racial quotas. 2. Pushing propaganda (Ie like the Dragon Maid dub reference to patriarchy) (Also Prison School dub referencing gamergate) 3. Censorship/Implementation (Ie make women more masculine) (Ie turn characters gay) Most of this applies to US media, and it is everywhere there. Woke is inherintly exclusive to pushing US racial propaganda in media so I doubt Japan can implement it the same way. Japan is not racially diverse at all. |
rohan121Nov 6, 2021 4:34 PM
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joe_own said: but they care about japan politics and social issue!Kuma said: Anything is political if you wanna spin it in anyway, we talking about whole point is pointing that anime in it self should refrain from woke and western politics, and keep it with in realm of entertainment and Japanese culture, your point is invalid, because it has nothing to do with anything i said, no one in japan in regarding anime/manga cares for woke american politics, thankfully so. anime IS political, they just refrain to directly explicitly reference current politicians due to censorship. japan artist isn't apolitical or didn't want to express their political view in their works. they definitely does as often express in interview, like recent mamoru hosada interview when he criticize woman idealization on fiction. but they refrain to because again, censorship, and other huge reason is japan in practice is a single party state created high political apathy among the working class in japan. why do you think the cause of huge rise in isekai is? because young people think their works in real life is pointless and has no meaning and they gain bigger success feelings from finishing a game. rohan121 said: Kuma said: japan has stronger censorship laws than US, lmao. why do you think their porn pixelated and they are rarely talk about current japan politics? it's not artistic freedom. it's literally censorship. so are you saying japan is "woke?". i don't even know what woke is. where the hell this idealized view of japan even come from? what even is woke? Woke involves 3 may concepts. 1. Affirmative Action prioritize non-white characters. (Very common in advertisements) (Basic Hollywood procedures) Trying to fulfill racial quotas. 2. Pushing propaganda (Ie like the Dragon Maid dub reference to patriarchy) (Also Prison School dub referencing gamergate) 3. Censorship/Implementation (Ie make women more masculine) (Ie turn characters gay) Most of this applies to US media, and it is everywhere there. Woke is inherintly exclusive to pushing US racial propaganda in media so I doubt Japan can implement it the same way. but as i noted before, japan already have all of them even BEFORE wokeshit or whatever it is. Crow_Black said: The more anime gets big, the more the antis comes after and attacks it. eh, no different than any other things then. what's the issue? |
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rohan121 said: Woke involves 3 may concepts. 1. Affirmative Action prioritize non-white characters. (Very common in advertisements) (Basic Hollywood procedures) Trying to fulfill racial quotas. 2. Pushing propaganda (Ie like the Dragon Maid dub reference to patriarchy) (Also Prison School dub referencing gamergate) 3. Censorship/Implementation (Ie make women more masculine) (Ie turn characters gay) Most of this applies to US media, and it is everywhere there. If this is what woke means now then I'm going back to bed. This actually has the opposite effect of its intention. Say, just for example, a well written show has good gay characters. People are getting so sick of woke culture now that they perceive anything like that to be woke propaganda and not bother with it even if the show's approach is natural and not forced in any way. |
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Crow_Black said: The more anime gets big, the more the antis comes after and attacks it. eh, no different than any other things then. what's the issue?[/quote] The sooner an anti gets their hands at something sooner its ruined.[/quote] Yep pretty much. |
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EndlessMaria said: rohan121 said: Woke involves 3 may concepts. 1. Affirmative Action prioritize non-white characters. (Very common in advertisements) (Basic Hollywood procedures) Trying to fulfill racial quotas. 2. Pushing propaganda (Ie like the Dragon Maid dub reference to patriarchy) (Also Prison School dub referencing gamergate) 3. Censorship/Implementation (Ie make women more masculine) (Ie turn characters gay) Most of this applies to US media, and it is everywhere there. If this is what woke means now then I'm going back to bed. This actually has the opposite effect of its intention. Say, just for example, a well written show has good gay characters. People are getting so sick of woke culture now that they perceive anything like that to be woke propaganda and not bother with it even if the show's approach is natural and not forced in any way. Valid point, i have to say that the woke drive of America has put me off so many things that i just skip many things , for me its a backfire, pretty good observation you made. i passed on netflix shows, movies ect simply because of not bothering giving it a chance. Perhaps it says i should, but fact the push of woketardism is everywhere from america its a hard pill for me to wanna just consume. |
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