| like i know its not but i feel like it is. idk maby it just the op and eds you know. or im just retarted. |
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| Yes it is. As well as the whole Monagatari franchise is ecchi harem, Konosuba is ecchi, Clannad and Steins Gate are harem. Fanboys just don't want to accept that because they like to imagine that their favorite show is smart and original. |
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| no panty shots, no cleavages, no accidental falls, no boob grabs, some sexual innuendo but that's it. kakegurui is not ecchi |
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| Kakegurui might be an Ecchi but not a Ecchi |
wape said: Based opinion.Do Kaiji moan when he wins?No.That must answer your question OP.Kakegurui is actually the better Kaiji. |
| i guess its an ecchi not ecchi. Like how Dr. stone is an Isekai non-isekai |
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| it's not an ecchi this is indeed a stupid question |
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| It's not Ecchi. It's just characters getting wet over gambling with lots of ahegao. |
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| i don't really care for a "is ecchi" v "isn't ecchi" but it should be no less than obvious that the anime has some visual emphasis on sexuality lol |
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| It isn't ecchi but a couple of teenagers getting horny over gambling xD |
imagine labeling series an ecchi because they have an ED that opens with a close up of a character's clothed chest and then proceeds to zoom out to her walking against a background and spends the majority of its runtime doing that we've gone beyond just distinguishing between anime that has a few fanservice shots sparsed throughout while still fundamentally being about something else and anime that emphasizes this as a core part of its appeal, the amount of ecchi anime has just skyrocketed exponentially |
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AnnualStorm said: Would a non-ecchi anime have an ED like that where the main character is sexualized with pantyshots and cleavage? yes just as a lot of anime that aren't ecchi have fanservice scenes here or there, just as a a lot of anime that aren't comedy have comedic pauses, so on and so forth taking a *couple of shots* from a series' ED and using that to try to justify the series as deserving of being called an ecchi outright - when the series itself features fanservice to a minimal capacity, doesn't come into significant enough focus to warrant it even being a source of appeal for that show, and can at best be described as a gambling anime that has some fanservice scenes sparsed throughout here or there - is completely and utterly ridiculous so ridiculous, in fact, that i don't even have the spirit to muster up stuff like capitalization in this response i just don't even know, that is such an incredibly loose and reaching attempt at labeling something an ecchi that where do i even begin look at this dark and brooding drama anime, it's an episodic slice of life ecchi comedy that virtually never breaks from a light tone, but just look at the content of the OP shadow star narutaru is my favorite kid's anime, just look at this OP |
ManabanNov 5, 2020 2:25 PM
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| Probably not, but how many shows have an ecchi tag misapplied? Frankly by MAL standards I'm surprised Kakegurui doesn't have an ecchi tag. |
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_FRB_ said: Probably not, but how many shows have an ecchi tag misapplied? Frankly by MAL standards I'm surprised Kakegurui doesn't have an ecchi tag. well it does have a very light fanservice shot in the ED, it's basically To LOVE-Ru at this point, so let's give 'em the same tag and categorize them the same because they're basically the same type of shit, cut from the same cloth and all of that |
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4Dss said: No, It isn't Ecchi. It's just the Characters getting wet over gambling like how lmao. that'd be a much less weak argument tbh, yumeko's moaning and shit, but it does fuck all to visualize it sexually most of the time when she starts doing it, the ((((((((very potential))))))) sexual content is derived pretty much solely from her voice acting, which in turn is in response to...just the act of gambling, which isn't even an erotic stimuli outside of some extremely niche and far-flung fetish on the same tier of how there's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of people who can fetishize gundams and stuff it's not convincing still, at all really, it'd be too narrow especially if you throw it in tandem with the fact that this series is consistently over-the-top with how characters express themselves in general, ranging from other character's voicework to their facial expressions and everything, without much in the way of imagery to accompany it that's a very, very hard argument to buy into so no, i would argue that not even the moaning makes it ecchi, and that's pretty consistently as far as it goes |
ManabanNov 5, 2020 2:35 PM
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| idk if u serious or not, 4Dss said: but isnt that basicly an ecchi? i mean if u got characters getting wet over anything then doesnt mean it most likely an ecchi?No, It isn't Ecchi. It's just the Characters getting wet over gambling like how lmao. |
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wape said: Kakegurui is actually the better Kaiji. WW III haven't started yet. But this might be the trigger for it. |
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uwaifutrsh said: but isnt that basicly an ecchi? i mean if u got characters getting wet over anything then doesnt mean it most likely an ecchi? https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1874376&show=0#msg61075824 might as well just drop my take on why it isn't in this series |
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uwaifutrsh said: i guess its an ecchi not ecchi. The same goes for Seven deadly sins.Just because Meliodas presses the breasts of Elizabeth it is an echhi. |
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| I think as we watch more anime, we grow out of the usefulness of monolithic genre labels like "ecchi". Yes, Kakegurui is ecchi. It has plenty of fanservice. It's just stylistically different than the ecchi many people come to expect. Catalano said: no panty shots, no cleavages, no accidental falls, no boob grabs, some sexual innuendo but that's it. The fanservice from Kakegurui doesn't come from indiscretions and clumsiness of a self-insert protagonist, but from the women themselves. MAL's genre tags are very broad and you should only use them as a guideline, since they don't have a panel of experts to deliberate on every show. But you should notice that there are different subgenre within the overall ecchi banner. |
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Manaban said: I think that sexual themes are undeniably very prominent in Kakegurui, where it doesn't just occur as a matter of exaggerated expression, but as a focal point in itself. The gambling is just the vessel. It isn't just that Yumeko gets off on gambling when the shots are composed around the game itself, but rather we get closeups of Yumeko's excitement. The ED, which shows Yumeko's liberation by zooming into her crotch area and her breasts popping through an open shirt is good evidence. The point here isn't the gambling, but Yumeko and her "exploits".so no, i would argue that not even the moaning makes it ecchi, and that's pretty consistently as far as it goes In contrast to fans fetishizing Gundams, Yumeko is an actual character in the anime. |
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katsucats said: I think as we watch more anime, we grow out of the usefulness of monolithic genre labels like "ecchi". Yes, Kakegurui is ecchi. It has plenty of fanservice. It's just stylistically different than the ecchi many people come to expect. Catalano said: no panty shots, no cleavages, no accidental falls, no boob grabs, some sexual innuendo but that's it. The fanservice from Kakegurui doesn't come from indiscretions and clumsiness of a self-insert protagonist, but from the women themselves. MAL's genre tags are very broad and you should only use them as a guideline, since they don't have a panel of experts to deliberate on every show. But you should notice that there are different subgenre within the overall ecchi banner. ecchi come from H meaning hentai/perverted in a sexual way, we only have girls moaning as the only sexual stuff, and we do have ecchi experts on mal. katsucats said: Manaban said: I think that sexual themes are undeniably very prominent in Kakegurui, where it doesn't just occur as a matter of exaggerated expression, but as a focal point in itself. The gambling is just the vessel. It isn't just that Yumeko gets off on gambling when the shots are composed around the game itself, but rather we get closeups of Yumeko's excitement. The ED, which shows Yumeko's liberation by zooming into her crotch area and her breasts popping through an open shirt is good evidence. The point here isn't the gambling, but Yumeko and her "exploits".so no, i would argue that not even the moaning makes it ecchi, and that's pretty consistently as far as it goes kokkoku has an ed where the main women appear almost naked in a sexual way but the anime is serious, no ecchi, no sexual stuff, an ecchi ed doesn't make the anime ecchi. seeing a girl moaning is not enough ecchi to call the anime ecchi, it's just an element just like how planet with has 2 panty shots all 12 episodes, it is an ecchi element but overall the anime is mecha, fantasy etc |
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katsucats said: Manaban said: I think that sexual themes are undeniably very prominent in Kakegurui, where it doesn't just occur as a matter of exaggerated expression, but as a focal point in itself. The gambling is just the vessel. It isn't just that Yumeko gets off on gambling when the shots are composed around the game itself, but rather we get closeups of Yumeko's excitement. The ED, which shows Yumeko's liberation by zooming into her crotch area and her breasts popping through an open shirt is good evidence. The point here isn't the gambling, but Yumeko and her "exploits".so no, i would argue that not even the moaning makes it ecchi, and that's pretty consistently as far as it goes In contrast to fans fetishizing Gundams, Yumeko is an actual character in the anime. Yeah, I'll still need more than a girl moaning once or twice an episode and a couple of shots in an ED before I begin taking the idea that Kakegurui is an ecchi seriously. Differences in style doesn't impact how ecchi is determined via a quantity threshold, lest something like, idk, Naruto be considered an ecchi for having fanservice scenes here or there, and we're still talking about a series that ultimately spends the majority of every episode/miniarc building up something entirely different, all for the great payoff of a girl moaning in reaction to the climax said game with sparse-to-no visual accompaniment to further that sexualization, how much it's predicating itself on Yumeko and her journey be damned. It's the same reason I'd argue Yosuga no Sora isn't a hentai - does it have explicit sex scenes? Sure, it does. They're very basic and vanilla sex scenes, even when it gets ramped up in the last arc, but all the same you will witness the act of sex taking place 4 or 5 times when you watch it, and being vanilla/tame doesn't negate the fact that it's pornographic. What does impact my willingness to label it a hentai is that somebody seeking out a hentai probably isn't going to want to sit through three or four twenty-three minute episodes of character drama just for the payoff of a brief, tame sex scene at the end of each miniarc. They'd rather be directed to something that actually still manages to gives up the goods more often than a couple of minutes every two or so hours. Kakegurui sexualizes Yumeko's reactions to gambling, absolutely. But who the fuck is going to want to watch a bunch of bullshit about how the school's social hierarchy is established for the first couple of episodes, with most of the following episodes spending the majority of every episode building up a game and the character that Yumeko will be playing said game against, all for the payoff of a fucking moan here or there at the episode's climactic moments? How much of the episode is just her reactions to what she's perceiving as intense moments of gambling, and how much of the episode is something entirely different? Or, another way of expressing it, it's selling alcohol-free beer as if it's the real McCoy. Alcohol free beer is still beer, but it's not what people would want to drink at a party. Labeling Kakegurui as an ecchi proper instead of categorizing it as an anime with elements of sexualization present is more or less the same deal. It'd take a niche fetish that an individual is especially sensitive to for someone to get drunk off of that somehow. |
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| Generally, if it makes your pee pee hard then it's ecchi. And if it makes your pee pee REALLY hard then it's hentai. |
Catalano said: That's only because you view ecchi (H) in a limited way. There is plenty of ecchi here, from hints of nudity, masturbation, spit fetishes, torture porn, suggestions of sexual opportunity, suggestions of rape, etc. These are all ecchi. The problem is you're stuck on the guy tripping and calling on breasts cliche and you think that represents the entirety of Japanese sexualization. Not so.kokkoku has an ed where the main women appear almost naked in a sexual way but the anime is serious, no ecchi, no sexual stuff, an ecchi ed doesn't make the anime ecchi. Catalano said: seeing a girl moaning is not enough ecchi to call the anime ecchi, it's just an element just like how planet with has 2 panty shots all 12 episodes, it is an ecchi element but overall the anime is mecha, fantasy etc Manaban said: I almost feel as if neither of you even watched Kakegurui in entirety if you think the sexual content is confined to a girl moaning once or twice.katsucats said: I think that sexual themes are undeniably very prominent in Kakegurui, where it doesn't just occur as a matter of exaggerated expression, but as a focal point in itself. The gambling is just the vessel. It isn't just that Yumeko gets off on gambling when the shots are composed around the game itself, but rather we get closeups of Yumeko's excitement. The ED, which shows Yumeko's liberation by zooming into her crotch area and her breasts popping through an open shirt is good evidence. The point here isn't the gambling, but Yumeko and her "exploits". In contrast to fans fetishizing Gundams, Yumeko is an actual character in the anime. Yeah, I'll still need more than a girl moaning once or twice an episode and a couple of shots in an ED before I begin taking the idea that Kakegurui is an ecchi seriously. Manaban said: The difference is in the focus. Naruto doesn't go around preoccupied with having sexual orgasms over being a ninja, neither do the fanservice there take up such a prominent portion of screen time with such thematic focus. In many of the gambles, Yumeko risks her sexual future, like being a sex slave. The losers of bets become the brunt of any kind of harassment. Characters bet their virginity. You couldn't say that about any aspect of Naruto. Not even the creepy Orichimaru went so far as to suggest fornicating with a woman.Differences in style doesn't impact how ecchi is determined via a quantity threshold, lest something like, idk, Naruto be considered an ecchi for having fanservice scenes here or there, and we're still talking about a series that ultimately spends the majority of every episode/miniarc building up something entirely different, all for the great payoff of a girl moaning in reaction to the climax said game with sparse-to-no visual accompaniment to further that sexualization, how much it's predicating itself on Yumeko and her journey be damned. Manaban said: I've never seen this, so no comment.It's the same reason I'd argue Yosuga no Sora isn't a hentai - does it have explicit sex scenes? Sure, it does. They're very basic and vanilla sex scenes, even when it gets ramped up in the last arc, but all the same you will witness the act of sex taking place 4 or 5 times when you watch it, and being vanilla/tame doesn't negate the fact that it's pornographic. What does impact my willingness to label it a hentai is that somebody seeking out a hentai probably isn't going to want to sit through three or four twenty-three minute episodes of character drama just for the payoff of a brief, tame sex scene at the end of each miniarc. They'd rather be directed to something that actually still manages to gives up the goods more often than a couple of minutes every two or so hours. Manaban said: There are plenty of shows about school's social hierarchies that don't contain anything close to the amount of sexual references in Kakegurui.Kakegurui sexualizes Yumeko's reactions to gambling, absolutely. But who the fuck is going to want to watch a bunch of bullshit about how the school's social hierarchy is established for the first couple of episodes, with most of the following episodes spending the majority of every episode building up a game and the character that Yumeko will be playing said game against, all for the payoff of a fucking moan here or there at the episode's climactic moments? How much of the episode is just her reactions to what she's perceiving as intense moments of gambling, and how much of the episode is something entirely different? Manaban said: It almost sounds as if you think ecchi is full hentai porn. It isn't. Kakegurui isn't full porn. But that doesn't mean it isn't ecchi. How much full on sex does any ecchi contain? Name a few examples if you may.Or, another way of expressing it, it's selling alcohol-free beer as if it's the real McCoy. Alcohol free beer is still beer, but it's not what people would want to drink at a party. Labeling Kakegurui as an ecchi proper instead of categorizing it as an anime with elements of sexualization present is more or less the same deal. It'd take a niche fetish that an individual is especially sensitive to for someone to get drunk off of that somehow. |
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katsucats said: I almost feel as if neither of you even watched Kakegurui in entirety if you think the sexual content is confined to a girl moaning once or twice. Once or twice per episode, like I actually said? Yeah, it absolutely was. It was pretty much always used as a tool to indicate that it was the climactic moment of said episode, and in the cases where it wasn't used in climax scenes, it was relatively brief and used to highlight, say, the gamble she was making in that episode. It's scarce as fuck relative to the series' entire runtime. When your show is sexualizing a character's voicework as the overwhelming majority of its sexualized content, and that voicework is largely confined largely to being a signal for what's ultimately the briefest moments in basic narrative structure, then yeah. The amount of sexualized content is too scarce to justify cutting it from the same cloth as a series like To LOVE-Ru or KissXSis or what have you. Having a setup, introducing a conflict, and providing rising action doesn't suddenly stop existing just because a character moans in the episode's climax scene. katsucats said: In many of the gambles, Yumeko risks her sexual future, like being a sex slave. The losers of bets become the brunt of any kind of harassment. Characters bet their virginity. You couldn't say that about any aspect of Naruto. Not even the creepy Orichimaru went so far as to suggest fornicating with a woman. Yeah, and in most of those scenes the focus isn't sexualizing the instance as much as it is using the character gambling/throwing away their sexual liberty as a form of tension-building or communicating something totally different, i.e. showcasing the submissive position the MC was put into by losing that gamble and having to basically be that blonde girl's servant. Sexuality being used as a narrative device and sexualization being present aren't mutually inclusive. katsucats said: I've never seen this, so no comment. You don't need to have seen it whenever it's not being brought up to discuss the show itself, but rather just an example to illustrate why something strongly lacking content can make labeling something fall completely flat, and end up being more of a misguiding hinderance than something actually beneficial to anyone. Which, I am operating under the idea that these are categories meant to guide people to finding content they want rather than some sort of sacred sect of anime. And that's why Kakegurui falls flat on its ass as an ecchi. The takeaway is that Yosuga no Sora had several sex scenes at about sub-2 minute runtime each, and those (almost) always came at the end of three or four twenty-three minute episode long arcs. Calling it a hentai (which would indicate that it's functioning largely the same as pornography but in the realm of anime) when it's pretty much non-functional as pornography due to how much shit you have to watch just to get to a relatively brief sex scene is ridiculous because of that. You can't put the whole thing on a porn site. You'd have to clip the two or three minutes at the end of each mini-arc. Calling Kakegurui an ecchi isn't different. The amount of sexualized content is far too scarce to justify actually watching it as an ecchi and not as a gambling anime with a crazy anime girl. And when I'm calling something an ecchi, I need to be able to actually fucking watch it as an ecchi and not as something else entirely with a bit of fanservice sparsed throughout. katsucats said: There are plenty of shows about school's social hierarchies that don't contain anything close to the amount of sexual references in Kakegurui. And the worst part is that Kakegurui isn't even about the school's social hierarchy as much as it is about Yumeko's experiences gambling and how that's a vessel for showcasing a waifubait character. The school hierarchy bit is also a minority of its runtime, and it's still more of a majority than Yumeko just moaning. So yeah, god forbid that when we hold Kakegurui up to the overwhelming majority of ecchi series and their focus on sexualized content and compare to the two that it falls flat on its ass and comes off like drinking baby formula instead of draft, like I've been saying. katsucats said: It almost sounds as if you think ecchi is full hentai porn. It isn't. Kakegurui isn't full porn. But that doesn't mean it isn't ecchi. How much full on sex does any ecchi contain? Name a few examples if you may. Nowhere did I say ecchi was porn, and I've consistently argued against the idea that one is a functioning substitute for the other in the past, so I feel pretty safe in knowing that the idea that anybody who's seen me in that type of discussion before will know that I wasn't conflating the two with that example. Ecchi is a series that has typical elements (comedy, action, etc.) but features erotic sexualization to such a prominent degree that it's most likely an inseparable element from why a potential audience member would want to view it. The context that this beer comparison was brought up in should be obvious, too - we're discussing ecchi as a matter of quantity and whether or not Kakegurui crosses the threshold from "anime with fanservice" over to "full-blown ecchi" - but even then, I wrote you a paragraph where I pretty clearly explained where I was drawing the line between an ecchi anime *with sex scenes* and why I didn't think it qualified as a hentai. And again, it was because it couldn't uphold this label due to the total lack of runtime regarding actual sex scenes - nobody who wants to watch pornography (or hentai in this case, whatever, same shit) is going to want to sit through an hour and a half to two hours of VN-esque character drama for a 2 minute long payoff at the end. I don't think that this was a miscomm on my end. Either way, ecchi = beer, anime with fanservice scenes here or there = alcohol free beer. It's that simple. |
ManabanNov 6, 2020 8:01 PM
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| @katsucats just because a show is sexy, doesn't mean it's ecchi, it's your problem if you see sexual innuendos in random card games. tamayura has scenes where we see the girls' thighs up close and a high school girl keeps a young kid by her bosom, but the show doesn't want the viewers to be excited, it's just an angle, tamayura is a wholesome sol, nothing sexual there. an ecchi show wants a reaction from the viewer, a simple boner because of the sexual scenes. I am very offended that you said I didn't watch it, I saw the 2 seasons and the specials and I read some manga chapters, I know what I am talking about. you can't go out calling all sexy anime ecchi, even gundam has scenes with fraw bow naked and seyla moaning in the gundam but overall it is not ecchi, it is sexy though and some fans like it, it's just a fanservice thing keijo is ecchi but it doesn't have accidental falls, I am not stuck at that, I am not an ecchi expert but I know lots of things about it. stop making bad publicity to kakegurui, what ecchi scenes is has it's not enough to call it an ecchi anime, like I said, every anime has an ecchi scene once or twice, even bleach has a beach episode, but you can't say bleach is ecchi |
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Catalano said: I find it very disingenuous and frankly -- a joke -- that you're calling what was depicted in plain daylight an "innuendo" that I'm somehow imagining. I suppose I could say that you're imagining an innocent fall onto breasts as innuendo, if I wanted to sink down to the same level of trolling. Again, Gundam and Bleach don't focus their entire narrative around sex, like Kakegurui does. I don't care about the publicity, it is what it is.@katsucats just because a show is sexy, doesn't mean it's ecchi, it's your problem if you see sexual innuendos in random card games. tamayura has scenes where we see the girls' thighs up close and a high school girl keeps a young kid by her bosom, but the show doesn't want the viewers to be excited, it's just an angle, tamayura is a wholesome sol, nothing sexual there. an ecchi show wants a reaction from the viewer, a simple boner because of the sexual scenes. I am very offended that you said I didn't watch it, I saw the 2 seasons and the specials and I read some manga chapters, I know what I am talking about. you can't go out calling all sexy anime ecchi, even gundam has scenes with fraw bow naked and seyla moaning in the gundam but overall it is not ecchi, it is sexy though and some fans like it, it's just a fanservice thing keijo is ecchi but it doesn't have accidental falls, I am not stuck at that, I am not an ecchi expert but I know lots of things about it. stop making bad publicity to kakegurui, what ecchi scenes is has it's not enough to call it an ecchi anime, like I said, every anime has an ecchi scene once or twice, even bleach has a beach episode, but you can't say bleach is ecchi |
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| I guess next people want to say having brief panty shots in High School of the Dead or a couple breast shots in Infinite Stratos per episode doesn't make it ecchi, then there's nothing here to argue about. You'd just be using arbitrarily strict definitions of ecchi that MAL disagrees with. Maybe you think a kiss on the cheek or holding hands is more sexual than gambling for sex. That would be a subjective standard I disagree with. |
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| This is a rather shitty attempt at a Parthian shot. katsucats said: I guess next people want to say having brief panty shots in High School of the Dead or a couple breast shots in Infinite Stratos per episode doesn't make it ecchi, then there's nothing here to argue about. I mean, considering those are both decisively ecchi because they feature sexualization prominently outside of a character moaning once or twice an episode, we may as well keep going if that fairy tale bullshit is what's making you say there's nothing here to argue. Saying those aren't ecchi is as stupid as saying Kakegurui is one, if not moreso. katsucats said: You'd just be using arbitrarily strict definitions of ecchi that MAL disagrees with. Please point me to where MAL agrees with your definition that Kakegurui is an ecchi. https://myanimelist.net/anime/34933/Kakegurui There's a difference between anime with fanservice and ecchi, and I'm basing my argument around Kakegurui's relative scarcity of sexualized content to categorize it with the former type of series. You're basing your argument around the presence of content with one character and how the show is primarily about her, but failing to follow up with anything meaningful or substantial when we talk about the amount of screentime is actually dedicated to her just fucking moaning. A show with a comedic pause doesn't suddenly become a comedy. A show with fanservice/sexualization doesn't suddenly become an ecchi. Everything else you're shitting out in this post about arbitrariness, MAL disagreeing with us, kissing on the cheek and holding hands, is just some bullshit you're making up and applying to the situation rather than anything even remotely supported by the ongoing discussion. Maybe Catalano said something, Iunno, I haven't been reading your convo with him, but I doubt I'm wrong in taking it that this wasn't meant just for him since you split it out of your post responding to him. Didn't even have the courtesy to ping me, either. What a paper tiger. Either way, whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess. Making a bunch of shit up and rattling it off one by one doesn't change anything I've said about Kakegurui being way too scarce in sexualization to actually be able to watch it as an ecchi. It won't take much brainpower for anybody reading this discussion to see through this joke of a response you're putting out, either. |
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