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Finally, people start to generally acknowledge the quality of Chihayafuru and the haters community will not stay at rest. By some miracle, all the recent 1/10 given are from people who gave 10/10 to Vinland but did not watch Chihayafuru seasons 1 and 2... Seems that some people will never grow up.



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Nov 11, 2019 3:51 AM
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It's not the first time Vinland Saga fans does this. Previously when Mo Dao Zu Shi 2 ranked higher than Vinland Saga in currently airing,Vinland Saga fans does the same thing too.Good thing Vinland Saga manga is coming to an end. What a cancerous fanbase.
Nov 11, 2019 4:12 AM
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Thats so sad, i love both series.
Nov 11, 2019 4:35 AM
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@Gorochu That's sad to learn this. It seems that we repeat at a smaller scale the SnK/FMA clash of this summer, but hopefully, Chihayafuru fanbase is less puerile than the average shounen fan and there will not be any "retaliations"...

@Kobayasan Yeah, this is too bad. Even if I would only give a 7-8 to Vinland out what I have watched yet, it would not come to my mind to change it to 1. I actually gave 1 to only one anime, but it really had huge issues with pacing, storytelling, characters, and I almost dropped it...
Nov 11, 2019 6:02 AM
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Meusnier said:
Finally, people start to generally acknowledge the quality of Chihayafuru and the haters community will not stay at rest. By some miracle, all the recent 1/10 given are from people who gave 10/10 to Vinland but did not watch Chihayafuru seasons 1 and 2... Seems that some people will never grow up.





I know thats so sad!! But.. while Chihayafuru might have a ridiculously small fanbase we make up for it in dedication for it.. You saw it too right? Almost immediatly after the ranking goes down it jumps right back! Especially with a new episode soon to come out.. I wouldnt be too worried! Theres no way the haters can stop us!!

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I honestly don’t care about the ongoing Vinland Saga v Chihayafuru battle, I’m just super glad that the score of this season is 8.50+ because it totally deserves it!
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Oh hell, I'm enjoying this Japanese Weed 10/10!
Nov 11, 2019 8:39 AM
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I like both Vinland Saga vs Chihayafuru

But Vinland Saga is top anime for me in this season.
Nov 11, 2019 11:32 AM
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Imagine hate-scoring other shows so that the one you like looks better on MAL.
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I honestly don’t care about the ongoing Vinland Saga v Chihayafuru battle, I’m just super glad that the score of this season is 8.50+ because it totally deserves it!


8.5+? Wait until it adapts the upcoming chapters. It can easily go beyond 8.8 or even touch 9 by the time this season ends. They will need a lot of work to keep it below VS.

Also, VS manga is ending soon. There you go. These trolls will probably never see a sequel of their favourite anime. So, let them enjoy downvoting.

The garbage of MAL are:
FMA:B, HxH (2011), S;G, Sora yori mo Tooi Basho and now Vinland Saga. The worst of the worst.
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shanimebib said:
_MushiRock11_ said:
I honestly don’t care about the ongoing Vinland Saga v Chihayafuru battle, I’m just super glad that the score of this season is 8.50+ because it totally deserves it!


8.5+? Wait until it adapts the upcoming chapters. It can easily go beyond 8.8 or even touch 9 by the time this season ends. They will need a lot of work to keep it below VS.

Also, VS manga is ending soon. There you go. These trolls will probably never see a sequel of their favourite anime. So, let them enjoy downvoting.

The garbage of MAL are:
FMA:B, HxH (2011), S;G, Sora yori mo Tooi Basho and now Vinland Saga. The worst of the worst.


May I ask why you put Sora yori in that list? Idk ive seen it and it was pretty good.. is the fanbase that bad?
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shanimebib said:
8.5+? Wait until it adapts the upcoming chapters. It can easily go beyond 8.8 or even touch 9 by the time this season ends. They will need a lot of work to keep it below VS.


I can’t wait for that to happen! Anyway, having this season go past 8.5 score in the first place is quite something considering the previous two seasons rank below this mark, and this is what I meant.

shanimebib said:
Also, VS manga is ending soon. There you go. These trolls will probably never see a sequel of their favourite anime. So, let them enjoy downvoting.

The garbage of MAL are:
FMA:B, HxH (2011), S;G, Sora yori mo Tooi Basho and now Vinland Saga. The worst of the worst.


I happen to be a huge fan of all these shows listed so I’m afraid I can’t agree with you on this.

I figured Sora Yori would be a show you’d like though, and it’s fanbase isn’t even that contagious or corrupt is it?
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It's nothing new, it's been happening at MAL forever. And the haters don't appear only from the current running show. The moment any new series enters the top 50, it immediately gets the same treatment. (Not to mention there is also the scourge known as Boku no hero academia season 4 coming out in the exact same season.)

At the same time however, Chihayafuru season 3 doesn't deserve it's score just yet. There were only 5 episodes so far after all but since anyone who watches season 3 is absolute fanboy of it, we all gave it 9 or 10. (hell I gave it 10, even though there are less than 10 shows that got that much from me over the years) It will deserve this 10 after few next episodes though because Chihaya vs Taichi is one of best matches in the entire series.

Still in the end, since there aren't that many people watching this godly series, the situation won't change. But who knows, a third season of a series with long gap might just gain some popularity after all, especially since the current season is rather bad.

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shanimebib said:


8.5+? Wait until it adapts the upcoming chapters. It can easily go beyond 8.8 or even touch 9 by the time this season ends. They will need a lot of work to keep it below VS.

Also, VS manga is ending soon. There you go. These trolls will probably never see a sequel of their favourite anime. So, let them enjoy downvoting.

The garbage of MAL are:
FMA:B, HxH (2011), S;G, Sora yori mo Tooi Basho and now Vinland Saga. The worst of the worst.


May I ask why you put Sora yori in that list? Idk ive seen it and it was pretty good.. is the fanbase that bad?


Yes. Yorimoi has a lot of upvotes/downvotes troll in it. All the SoL got downvoted by YoriMoi trolls. I emailed my concern to Luna (MAL Admin) after finding it out.

YoriMoi trolls downvoted the following shows: 3-gatsu no Lion S2, Clannad After Story, Violet Evergarden, Chihayafuru S2, Aria the Origination, Natsume Yuujinchou, Non Non Biyori, Tamako Market, Ano Hana, Love Live School Idol Project, Hyouka, Sakurasou, K-On!, Nichijou, Yoru Camp, Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai, Usagi Drop, Hachimitsu to Clover, Gin no Saji, Hinamatsuri. Their latest victim was Fruits Basket Season 1.

@_MushiRock11_: Unfortunately it's the case whether you agree or not. FMA:B (the absolute worst), HxH (2011) and S;G are comprised of 90% of the troll votes.

YoriMoi is the worst for downvoting all the SoL. The anime with many viewers were less unaffected. The anime with less viewers got heavily affected. Since YoriMoi aired, most of the SoL got the rating dropped between .05 to .25.
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shanimebib said:
Fionavar said:


May I ask why you put Sora yori in that list? Idk ive seen it and it was pretty good.. is the fanbase that bad?


Yes. Yorimoi has a lot of upvotes/downvotes troll in it. All the SoL got downvoted by YoriMoi trolls. I emailed my concern to Luna (MAL Admin) after finding it out.

YoriMoi trolls downvoted the following shows: 3-gatsu no Lion S2, Clannad After Story, Violet Evergarden, Chihayafuru S2, Aria the Origination, Natsume Yuujinchou, Non Non Biyori, Tamako Market, Ano Hana, Love Live School Idol Project, Hyouka, Sakurasou, K-On!, Nichijou, Yoru Camp, Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai, Usagi Drop, Hachimitsu to Clover, Gin no Saji, Hinamatsuri. Their latest victim was Fruits Basket Season 1.

@_MushiRock11_: Unfortunately it's the case whether you agree or not. FMA:B (the absolute worst), HxH (2011) and S;G are comprised of 90% of the troll votes.

YoriMoi is the worst for downvoting all the SoL. The anime with many viewers were less unaffected. The anime with less viewers got heavily affected. Since YoriMoi aired, most of the SoL got the rating dropped between .05 to .25.


Shit.. im so very sorry to hear that.. Its a shame when a genuinely good anime is ruined by its fanbase.. isnt there anything we can do about this? I mean this should have been stopped long time ago if they already caused this much damage..
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shanimebib said:

YoriMoi trolls downvoted the following shows: 3-gatsu no Lion S2, Clannad After Story, Violet Evergarden, Chihayafuru S2, Aria the Origination, Natsume Yuujinchou, Non Non Biyori, Tamako Market, Ano Hana, Love Live School Idol Project, Hyouka, Sakurasou, K-On!, Nichijou, Yoru Camp, Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai, Usagi Drop, Hachimitsu to Clover, Gin no Saji, Hinamatsuri. Their latest victim was Fruits Basket Season 1.


Guess that I was right not to restrict to shounen fans... Really sad to learn this.

@shanimebib You should not say that the show will reach +9, or I will not be able to wait for the end of the 24 episodes to watch it at once in a few days!
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As a manga reader, I predicted that S3 will go through the roof.
And we're just getting started, that's just the warm up, you're not ready for the 2nd part os S3
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When comparing scores you should also take into account amount of members that anime has.
Vinland Saga has 246000 members with a score of 8.57, Chihayafuru 3 has 38000 members with a score of 8.57 which is considerably lower compared to first season that had 267,376 members and second season that had 142,854 members.
Also Chihayafuru is sequel which means most of the people that didn't like it dropped out so naturally the score is going to be high.
So I would say that Vinland Saga wins overall.
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Fionavar said:
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Yes. Yorimoi has a lot of upvotes/downvotes troll in it. All the SoL got downvoted by YoriMoi trolls. I emailed my concern to Luna (MAL Admin) after finding it out.

YoriMoi trolls downvoted the following shows: 3-gatsu no Lion S2, Clannad After Story, Violet Evergarden, Chihayafuru S2, Aria the Origination, Natsume Yuujinchou, Non Non Biyori, Tamako Market, Ano Hana, Love Live School Idol Project, Hyouka, Sakurasou, K-On!, Nichijou, Yoru Camp, Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai, Usagi Drop, Hachimitsu to Clover, Gin no Saji, Hinamatsuri. Their latest victim was Fruits Basket Season 1.

@_MushiRock11_: Unfortunately it's the case whether you agree or not. FMA:B (the absolute worst), HxH (2011) and S;G are comprised of 90% of the troll votes.

YoriMoi is the worst for downvoting all the SoL. The anime with many viewers were less unaffected. The anime with less viewers got heavily affected. Since YoriMoi aired, most of the SoL got the rating dropped between .05 to .25.


Shit.. im so very sorry to hear that.. Its a shame when a genuinely good anime is ruined by its fanbase.. isnt there anything we can do about this? I mean this should have been stopped long time ago if they already caused this much damage..


You are not the only one to get hurt. Sometimes I wish I had not found out. Check my posts in YoriMoi threads. I love it like there's no tomorrow. I was sure to love it even before it aired.



I am huge fan of Hanada Jukki who wrote the scripts/screenplay for some of my adored anime such as Hibike! Euphonium, Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai, Steins;Gate, Love Love!, K-On!, Nichijou, Natsume Yuujinchou, Tamako Market and many more and to see some of his works getting downvoted by trolls because of his YoriMoi was heart breaking and really frustrating.
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When comparing scores you should also take into account amount of members that anime has.
Vinland Saga has 246000 members with a score of 8.57, Chihayafuru 3 has 38000 members with a score of 8.57 which is considerably lower compared to first season that had 267,376 members and second season that had 142,854 members.
Also Chihayafuru is sequel which means most of the people that didn't like it dropped out so naturally the score is going to be high.
So I would say that Vinland Saga wins overall.


What does it means that it "wins"? I really think that there is no such point to make in this discussion... The shows are completely different, so I do not really think that we can compare them and say that one is superior to the other... or inferior^^. And the subject here was that Vinland fans were offended anyway and acted as kids. I am not even comparing the hype between the two shows which can be responsible of huge "artificial" change of the global average.

Finally, even if it is well-known that sequels tend to have a better score, this is clearly not always the case. Index III (-1 point compared to Index II), Natsume (modest growth over four seasons and decrease in S5), and I am sure that we can come up with many more examples of the kind etc...
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Meusnier said:
Xstasy said:
When comparing scores you should also take into account amount of members that anime has.
Vinland Saga has 246000 members with a score of 8.57, Chihayafuru 3 has 38000 members with a score of 8.57 which is considerably lower compared to first season that had 267,376 members and second season that had 142,854 members.
Also Chihayafuru is sequel which means most of the people that didn't like it dropped out so naturally the score is going to be high.
So I would say that Vinland Saga wins overall.


What does it means that it "wins"? I really think that there is no such point to make in this discussion... The shows are completely different, so I do not really think that we can compare them and say that one is superior to the other... or inferior^^. And the subject here was that Vinland fans were offended anyway and acted as kids. I am not even comparing the hype between the two shows which can be responsible of huge "artificial" change of the global average.

Finally, even if it is well-known that sequels tend to have a better score, this is clearly not always the case. Index III (-1 point compared to Index II), Natsume (modest growth over four seasons and decrease in S5), and I am sure that we can come up with many more examples of the kind etc...


This are the current stats for Chihayafuru 3:

10 28.4% (865 votes)
9 31.5% (961 votes)
8 25.2% (768 votes)
7 10.2% (310 votes)
6 2.2% (68 votes)
5 0.9% (28 votes)
4 0.3% (9 votes)
3 0.1% (3 votes)
2 0.1% (3 votes)
1 1.0% (31 votes)

As you can see most of the anime viewers haven't scored it yet and out of those that have only 1% has given it score 1. So it's not that big of a problem.
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People do that ?! Lol what’s wrong with them
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you learn something new on mal every day. So vinland saga and yorimoi do have cancer fans that downvote shows. This needs to stop, come on, with all due respect, chihayafuru is a girly somewhat obscure show, why would you even do that shit!

And a question, is madhouse animation still cool? I heard there were some problems these last years, does chihayafuru has the atmosphere, the color, the you know what?
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Catalano said:
you learn something new on mal every day. So vinland saga and yorimoi do have cancer fans that downvote shows. This needs to stop, come on, with all due respect, chihayafuru is a girly somewhat obscure show, why would you even do that shit!

And a question, is madhouse animation still cool? I heard there were some problems these last years, does chihayafuru has the atmosphere, the color, the you know what?


Chihayafuru has a great animation and art direction from the beginning. And Chihayafuru is not an average shoujo/josei show, and cannot be just qualified as "girly" (I was also fooled at the time when I saw the key visual of S1 or worst the opening). There is at times (I should say most of the time!) a great shounen/competition vibe, and a comparison which pops up in my mind is Bakuman; I had a similar feeling of excitement in both shows. There are strong male leaders portrayed quite realistically, like Taichi (
), Arata, Harada-sensei, and I can really relate to some of them. And Chihaya is not just the next stupid innocent girl like in shows I hate (Kimi ni todokanai de hoshii just to name one...), but one of the few interesting female leads of animation (character growth, will, etc...).

Finally, the relationship with Japanese traditional poetry (and culture) is extremely well-treated in my opinion and not boring at all as one may expect. Of course, there is romance, but up to S2, maybe 10% romance and 60% of karuta, and 30% of slice of life. But I admit that the covers are really girly.
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@Meusnier thanks, it really helped, sooner or later I'll watch it, but for the moment I'm already reading too many shoujo manga, one more and I'll see flowers every time I meet a close friend (just a joke)
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@Meusnier thanks, it really helped, sooner or later I'll watch it, but for the moment I'm already reading too many shoujo manga, one more and I'll see flowers every time I meet a close friend (just a joke)


Your welcome! Haha, the first funny thing I read today, thank you for that.
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@shanimebib I didn't realize YoriMoi fans did that. Really hate the fact that they and FMA:B fans do, since those are 2 of my all time favorite series, I'd really rather they not have that stigma. The score contests on MAL are obnoxious. I appreciate the scores generally as a metric, but hate how they're used as a weapon.
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Yes, it's ranked highest again in current airing.
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Yes, it's ranked highest again in current airing.


Indeed, +0.03 since I post this topic, hope that the Vinland dudes do not find out about it!
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Yes, it's ranked highest again in current airing.

Totally deserve it ! this season is a magnificent piece of art
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We can assume that most bots and downvoting haters give targetted shows 1.
We can also assume that 1, 2, 3 and 4 are scores which for most people indicate that a show is bad.

There isn't a single show from this season that has over twice as much 1 as they have 2, 3, and 4 combined besides Chihayafuru 3.
Even a show such as LoGH which has been attacked by haters or bots many times doesn't have twice as much 1 as 2, 3, and 4 combined.
And you say that sequels have it better. Not necessarily, especially shows that don't have large fanbases.
I have seen users

scoring Chihayafuru 3 low after presumably a single episode without watching previous seasons or after presumably watching a single episode of each season which shows that assumption that only people who watched previous seasons are going to watch next season is not neccesarily correct, same goes for assumption that you have to like previous season to watch next.
Of course in cases of popular shows like Vinland Saga or Boku no Hero Academia 4 the influence of such cases is marginal but not in case of less popular shows like Chihayafuru 3 as all go by the rule of being inversely proportional to a number of all votes which currently is:
Vinland Saga - 55k
Boku no Hero Academia 4 - 33k
Chihayafuru 3 - 3k.
(and not like Xstasy suggested Vinland Saga 246k and Chihayafuru 38k)

Chihayafuru 3 has been airing for 3 weeks and Vinland Saga for over 4 months, also many people like to binge watch Chihayafuru.

Also shounens especially battle shounens have very often scores way higher than they actually deserve, for a simple reason that their fanbases are much more likely to give 10/10 to shows that are popular and overhyped and also 1/1 to shows that aren't.

Btw: Does anyone still taking care of multiple downvoting bot accounts issues? I haven't been on mal for some time but as much as I remember it was Kineta or Luna. If there still is a person who does this it would be nice to take care of those mentioned above.
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Meusnier said:
Finally, people start to generally acknowledge the quality of Chihayafuru and the haters community will not stay at rest. By some miracle, all the recent 1/10 given are from people who gave 10/10 to Vinland but did not watch Chihayafuru seasons 1 and 2... Seems that some people will never grow up.




MAL rankings are complete bullshit. Just enjoy the show. Don't focus too much on cancerous fanbase. This is not the first time this has happened.

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I've always loved Chihayafuru and I love you guys for being rational human beings with functional minds


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We can assume that most bots and downvoting haters give targetted shows 1.
We can also assume that 1, 2, 3 and 4 are scores which for most people indicate that a show is bad.

I would say that most MAL users consider anything below 7 to be bad, 7 is often seen as average on MAL.

Linaeris said:
There isn't a single show from this season that has over twice as much 1 as they have 2, 3, and 4 combined besides Chihayafuru 3.
Even a show such as LoGH which has been attacked by haters or bots many times doesn't have twice as much 1 as 2, 3, and 4 combined.
And you say that sequels have it better. Not necessarily, especially shows that don't have large fanbases.

This are the current stats for Chihayafuru 3:

10 29.0% (907 votes)
9 31.7% (992 votes)
8 24.8% (774 votes)
7 9.9% (311 votes)
6 2.1% (67 votes)
5 0.9% (29 votes)
4 0.3% (9 votes)
3 0.1% (3 votes)
2 0.1% (3 votes)
1 1.0% (32 votes)

As you can see it's not that big of a problem there are only 32 users that have given it a score of 1. Most of the users that are watching Chihayafuru 3 haven't given it a score yet.
Sequels usually have a higher score do to the fact that most of the people that didn't like the original dropped out although it's not always the case.

Linaeris said:
Vinland Saga - 55k
Boku no Hero Academia 4 - 33k
Chihayafuru 3 - 3k.
(and not like Xstasy suggested Vinland Saga 246k and Chihayafuru 38k)

I was talking about the total number of members that anime have not the amount of people giving it a score, so my stats are correct.

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Chihayafuru 3 has been airing for 3 weeks and Vinland Saga for over 4 months, also many people like to binge watch Chihayafuru.

Actually it's 6 weeks, and yes some people prefer to binge watch anime, but that is true for any anime including Chihayafuru and Vinland Saga so I don't see how it's relevant to current discussion.

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Also shounens especially battle shounens have very often scores way higher than they actually deserve, for a simple reason that their fanbases are much more likely to give 10/10 to shows that are popular and overhyped and also 1/1 to shows that aren't.

There is no objective way to determine what anime deserves what score.
Some would argue that slice of life anime(clannad, working) and sports anime(3-gatsu no Lion, Haikyuu!!) are overrated.
Ultimetly the entire debate of Overrated/Underrated is pointless cause it usually boils down to:
Any show that I liked is underrated and any show that I didn't like is overrated.

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Btw: Does anyone still taking care of multiple downvoting bot accounts issues? I haven't been on mal for some time but as much as I remember it was Kineta or Luna. If there still is a person who does this it would be nice to take care of those mentioned above.

Thread for reporting illegitimate accounts was locked.
Kineta said that they are going to address the problem on the backend level.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=245618&show=4750#msg58156821
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Meusnier said:
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Yes, it's ranked highest again in current airing.


Indeed, +0.3 since I post this topic, hope that the Vinland dudes do not find out about it!


0.03 you mean. 0.3 would enter it in the vision of HxH (2011) trolls, lol.
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shanimebib said:
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Indeed, +0.3 since I post this topic, hope that the Vinland dudes do not find out about it!


0.03 you mean. 0.3 would enter it in the vision of HxH (2011) trolls, lol.


Sorry, I was being too enthusiastic about it! I corrected it for future viewers (anyway now it's +0.04). Let's say plus +0.4 by April and SnK fans will start to sweat too.
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Well shit seems like the haters found us..
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Fionavar said:
Well shit seems like the haters found us..

Vinland Saga fans have arrived

From 1% 1/1 to 1.5% in no time

I'm not even watching this anime, but it still pisses me off, I just hate when this happens to any anime
-Aincrad-Nov 13, 2019 9:20 AM
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-Aincrad- said:
Fionavar said:
Well shit seems like the haters found us..

Vinland Saga fags have arrived

From 1% 1/1 to 1.5% in no time


Yes, I just noticed, between my post 8.60 and now 8.57... But it proves that they know how to read, which means that they are rational humans beings who will stop acting stupid, right?
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-Aincrad- said:
Fionavar said:
Well shit seems like the haters found us..

Vinland Saga fans have arrived

From 1% 1/1 to 1.5% in no time

I'm not even watching this anime, but it still pisses me off


What ive been doing the past couple weeks is recommend Chihayafuru to as many people as I can reach.. even if it doesnt change much it still feels great to know that I contributed to a couple of those 10/10's
Nov 13, 2019 9:19 AM

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Xstasy said:
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We can assume that most bots and downvoting haters give targetted shows 1.
We can also assume that 1, 2, 3 and 4 are scores which for most people indicate that a show is bad.

I would say that most MAL users consider anything below 7 to be bad, 7 is often seen as average on MAL.

7 might be seen as average but it depends on what you are comparing. As of now score of 7,00 equals ~3800 out of over 11500 titles that are classified properly (have over 50 votes and are not hentai) which means only ~1/3 of total number of "all" shows are rated higher and ~2/3 are rated lower. So it sounds about right - 7/10 corresponds to 0,66.
Thing is though people are usually watching and focus on shows that they think would like because of their tastes and interests, friends' recommendations, esthetics, synopsis, reviews etc.
If they were forced to watch shows at random and then rate them it would be a different story. And that happens I presume less than once out of 10 times (watching completely blind not being forced ofc).

Xstasy said:

Linaeris said:
There isn't a single show from this season that has over twice as much 1 as they have 2, 3, and 4 combined besides Chihayafuru 3.
Even a show such as LoGH which has been attacked by haters or bots many times doesn't have twice as much 1 as 2, 3, and 4 combined.
And you say that sequels have it better. Not necessarily, especially shows that don't have large fanbases.

This are the current stats for Chihayafuru 3:

10 29.0% (907 votes)
9 31.7% (992 votes)
8 24.8% (774 votes)
7 9.9% (311 votes)
6 2.1% (67 votes)
5 0.9% (29 votes)
4 0.3% (9 votes)
3 0.1% (3 votes)
2 0.1% (3 votes)
1 1.0% (32 votes)

That just proves what I said earlier.

Xstasy said:

As you can see it's not that big of a problem there are only 32 users that have given it a score of 1. Most of the users that are watching Chihayafuru 3 haven't given it a score yet.
Sequels usually have a higher score do to the fact that most of the people that didn't like the original dropped out although it's not always the case.


First sentence is not true because it depends on how many of total votes there are for a given title. Also it is often a case that some - lets call them kindly - overly dedicated fans of other shows would not allow the growth of rating an anime which may overtake their own favorite. Which was the case and unfortunetly most likely will be in the future when a less popular anime has a similar rating to more popular show (already happened with Chihayafuru 3). The issue is more painful with "currently airing" low profile shows as it might be their biggest chance to get some attention and recognition among wider audience.


Xstasy said:

Linaeris said:
Vinland Saga - 55k
Boku no Hero Academia 4 - 33k
Chihayafuru 3 - 3k.
(and not like Xstasy suggested Vinland Saga 246k and Chihayafuru 38k)

I was talking about the total number of members that anime have not the amount of people giving it a score, so my stats are correct.

Yes, stats are correct but trying to prove the point (about popualrity of Chihayafuru 3 in comparisson to season 2 and 1) using them at the moment is misguided.
Also suggesting at the same time that the amount of members and not votes influences the rating is another misguided thing - that would lessened the influence of those 32 "1" for Chihayafuru 3 directly (and look now it is 46 all of a sudden) and also lessened in comparison to Vinland Saga three times: form 55k / 3k ---> 18,33 to 246k / 38k ---> 6,47 (almost three times)

Xstasy said:

Linaeris said:
Chihayafuru 3 has been airing for 3 weeks and Vinland Saga for over 4 months, also many people like to binge watch Chihayafuru.

Actually it's 6 weeks, and yes some people prefer to binge watch anime, but that is true for any anime including Chihayafuru and Vinland Saga so I don't see how it's relevant to current discussion.

Chihayafuru 3 started airing in October 23rd so it is actually 3 weeks not 6. Kinda relevant when comparing how many members both shows currently have.

Xstasy said:

Linaeris said:
Also shounens especially battle shounens have very often scores way higher than they actually deserve, for a simple reason that their fanbases are much more likely to give 10/10 to shows that are popular and overhyped and also 1/1 to shows that aren't.

There is no objective way to determine what anime deserves what score.
Some would argue that slice of life anime(clannad, working) and sports anime(3-gatsu no Lion, Haikyuu!!) are overrated.
Ultimetly the entire debate of Overrated/Underrated is pointless cause it usually boils down to:
Any show that I liked is underrated and any show that I didn't like is overrated.


I disagree, ofc it will not be perfect no matter how hard anyone tries especially when there are many different aspects with different importance to different people but a certain amount of it is possible not that difficult and generally expected.


Xstasy said:

Linaeris said:
Btw: Does anyone still taking care of multiple downvoting bot accounts issues? I haven't been on mal for some time but as much as I remember it was Kineta or Luna. If there still is a person who does this it would be nice to take care of those mentioned above.

Thread for reporting illegitimate accounts was locked.
Kineta said that they are going to address the problem on the backend level.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=245618&show=4750#msg58156821



I see but also don't know why one would interfere with the other.
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Certainly did not expect a series like this to have a cancerous fanbas taking themselves seriously in a fandom wars. I guess it's inescapable after all.

Blatant provoking aside... (not from me) no one going to mention y'all are talking about not even 50 1/10 votes?

And that they rated other series 10/10 as well and not just Vinland Saga?

Maybe this is just how wars on MAL go though, literally have no idea.

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Well shit seems like the haters found us..
what a fu**ing joke, for the love of god let people enjoy their great show !! Chihayafuru doesn’t deserve this at all
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Certainly did not expect a series like this to have a cancerous fanbas taking themselves seriously in a fandom wars. I guess it's inescapable after all.

Blatant provoking aside... (not from me) no one going to mention y'all are talking about not even 50 1/10 votes?

And that they rated other series 10/10 as well and not just Vinland Saga?

Maybe this is just how wars on MAL go though, literally have no idea.



Excuse you? Chihayafuru has never really been doing well in terms of popularity.. hell it took so long for us to even get a third season.. If this season doesnt do well enough we might not ever get a 4th! Hence why it is so important for this season to have a high rating.. so that more people might check out the series in general(as well as the manga).. We have every right to be serious about this!
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What do you know. It happened again. What a surprise from overly dedicated shounen fans.
Not that it matters to anyone...
Nov 13, 2019 9:40 AM

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Fionavar said:
Esquirtit said:
Certainly did not expect a series like this to have a cancerous fanbas taking themselves seriously in a fandom wars. I guess it's inescapable after all.

Blatant provoking aside... (not from me) no one going to mention y'all are talking about not even 50 1/10 votes?

And that they rated other series 10/10 as well and not just Vinland Saga?

Maybe this is just how wars on MAL go though, literally have no idea.



Excuse you? Chihayafuru has never really been doing well in terms of popularity.. hell it took so long for us to even get a third season.. If this season doesnt do well enough we might not ever get a 4th! Hence why it is so important for this season to have a high rating.. so that more people might check out the series in general(as well as the manga).. We have every right to be serious about this!


The rating and popularity on MAL have no impact.

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Esquirtit said:
Certainly did not expect a series like this to have a cancerous fanbas taking themselves seriously in a fandom wars. I guess it's inescapable after all.

Blatant provoking aside... (not from me) no one going to mention y'all are talking about not even 50 1/10 votes?

And that they rated other series 10/10 as well and not just Vinland Saga?

Maybe this is just how wars on MAL go though, literally have no idea.



It's not the amount of votes that matters, it's the proportion/percentage of the votes that counts.

And that's 1.6% now
Like 15 minutes ago it was 1.5, now it's 1.6%...

Pathetic haters/trolls
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-Aincrad- said:
Esquirtit said:
Certainly did not expect a series like this to have a cancerous fanbas taking themselves seriously in a fandom wars. I guess it's inescapable after all.

Blatant provoking aside... (not from me) no one going to mention y'all are talking about not even 50 1/10 votes?

And that they rated other series 10/10 as well and not just Vinland Saga?

Maybe this is just how wars on MAL go though, literally have no idea.



The amount of votes doesn't matter, it's the proportion/percentage of the votes that counts.

And that's 1.6% now
Like 10 minutes ago it was 1.5 with 42 1/1 votes, now it's 1.6% with 50

Pathetic


I know that, I'm saying putting fandoms against each other is retarded when talking about a few people with bots (or too much free time).

It's kinda hilarious to keep track of it though.

There are like 10 accounts the same as this one
https://myanimelist.net/profile/biras93574

@Linaeris No impact on getting seasons in the future or not

EsquirtitNov 13, 2019 9:51 AM
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Esquirtit said:


The rating and popularity on MAL have no impact.



If they don't then why not get rid of them?
Or at least for the time when a show is "currently airing" it would not have rating published.

@Esquirtit Direct impact on getting seasons in the future - most likely not; indirect - I wouldn't be so sure
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Linaeris said:
Esquirtit said:


The rating and popularity on MAL have no impact.



If they don't then why not get rid of them?
Or at least for the time when a show is "currently airing" it would not have rating published.

@Esquirtit Direct impact on getting seasons in the future - most likely not; indirect - I wouldn't be so sure


It has impact, at least on future watchers, since I rarely pick up shows below 6 and for sure, I checked most of top 10-20 in terms of average and popularity. My first anime as a grown up was Death Note, and I think that this is not by chance...

Then I heard that only blu-ray sells matter for the future adaptations, but I wonder if critical success is taken in account or not in the sense that it might also improve future manga sells.
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