| Boys who enjoy watching/reading yaoi and girls who enjoy watching/reading yuri. Does that mean they're gay? Stupid question, probably, but i'm naive and curious. Additionally, this may not even relate too much, but this is what made this question pop into my head: a guy I know likes reading stories about gay boys. He claimed he was a straight for the longest time until just this year, which he apparently came out of the closet. Could be just a coincidence, but is there a probability that it's acting as a clue? Oh! Plus, plus, switching the genders around- in other words, guys who like to watch lesbians and girls who like to watch gay boys. That's actually quite acceptable by society. Why? Sorry if I offend anybody. I sincerely don't mean to. Mod edit: Oh yeah, you may also want to use a more descriptive title there... changed it for ya' (Feel free to change it to something equally descriptive that better illustrates your point/questions and is not plagued with my horrible Ontarian English education.). |
asandariDec 20, 2008 5:50 PM
"I've read so much manga that at times my mind works in comic panels and dramatically expressed chibis. I'm both ashamed and amused by this." |
| Well i can only express my point of view as a man and a member of the "Anti Yaoi Alliance": Guess what? Reading and enjoying Yaoi is not a "straight" thing to do. |
 "Sanity is overrated." |
| No, not really. They could just as easily be bi, and I expect plenty of people who watch that sort of thing are straight as well. It's purely imaginary and animated to boot, so it has a little less connection to actual sexual preference than one might expect. |
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Azamat said: member of the "Anti Yaoi Alliance": Well this certainly adds credibility to your opinion right there. |
| Um, no. There are lots of reasons for reading Yaoi/Yuri aside from being gay, or even bisexual. Yes, even the H-ones. Hell, a lot of it complements the reason people bother with hentai at all. People like to laugh at it. It can also be touching... though they don't always try for that perspective. I know I found spoiler for Mai Hime I also thought the story in Kannazuki was done quite well, even though it was held back by various other factors. I know I'm personally looking into Yaoi titles for psychological perspective, though I haven't gotten around to watching them yet (as with hundreds of other anime I've been looking into for various reasons). It's the same for manga. Hell, sometimes I feel like I need to read/watch more yaoi so that I can stop feeling guilty about reading/watching any yuri at all... I blame my childhood surrounded by women. (Just to remind everyone, not all Yaoi OR Yuri is explicit.) |
asandariDec 20, 2008 5:15 PM
| I'm sorry, but if you're a guy and like reading about dudes sucking dick, you're gay. |
| I like it all. I am bi. So I don't really know if my opinion means anything to this conversation...but I have had plenty of yaoi fangirls tell me that they are straight. Well, most of the men in Yaoi look and act like women, sooooo if they (the fangirls) want to believe that they are straight, whatever. X3 Azamat said: Reading and enjoying Yaoi is not a "straight" thing to do. I kind of share that opinion. However, it's not exactly gay, either. It's very complex. But not straight at all. :D |
| Well, I think it depends. I know a guy, who really rarely but reads yaoi... like Tokyo Babylon, but I can say for sure that he is straight. And I know girls who ready yuri sometimes but are straight too. Certainly these people do not read hentai, cos what they want is a nice story which is a little bit different than the others. On the other hand I know a girl, who reads/watches only yuri... and guess naturally she is gay. Oh! Plus, plus, switching the genders around- in other words, guys who like to watch lesbians and girls who like to watch gay boys. That's actually quite acceptable by society. Why? That's one thing the Hungarian animefans always fight about: boys trying to understand why girls like yaoi... and girls trying to figure out why it bothers the guys so much that they like yaoi. No wonder that in Axis Powers Hetalia Hugnary-san is a total fujoshi... |
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| Related topic: is Futanari "straight"? I know plenty of "straight" guys that like futa, but I feel that there is some sort of homosexual connection. |
| I'm not a fan of yuri or shoujo-ai in general, really. I have enjoyed some shoujo-ai oriented series (Mai Otome for instance) but in general I much prefer traps and futa. |
ScrumYummy said: Related topic: is Futanari "straight"? I know plenty of "straight" guys that like futa, but I feel that there is some sort of homosexual connection. Pansexual. It's right there in between. You can't really call it homo. But you can't really call it hetero either. Just like all that other trans and intersex stuff like traps. I'd say it falls more under homosexual than heterosexual since there is an actual penis involved. And strap-ons, straight. A penis is a penis. And a vagina is a vagina. Everything else is mere correlational technicalities. Personally, I like women with strap-ons, femdom, futanari, yaoi, yuri, penis, vagina. I don't really like men who act and look like men, so I'm not really absolutely homosexual, and I don't really like women who act and look absolutely like women either, so I'm not absolutely heterosexual. So I call myself Pansexual. A homosexual is just a person who just likes men. And I'm not asexual, but I have a high amount of both women and men I find myself uninterested to have sex with. |
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| You are such an interesting person. Not sarcasm. |
| Better question.. does it matter? Like, at all? |
hikky said: Better question.. does it matter? Like, at all? I hope I'm not the only one to find irony here, considering all of the things you argue 10+ posts about. I think the only confirmed "straight" thing is fapping to traps. Because come on, they just draw girls and then stick a penis on it. Honestly, how is that even fair? Although I still don't have an interest in it. It just confuses me. And I'm not referring to my brain. |
Plate said: Azamat said: member of the "Anti Yaoi Alliance": Well this certainly adds credibility to your opinion right there. My opinion doesn't need credibility since it's always awesome and mind blowing. |
"Sanity is overrated." |
Fui said: hikky said: Better question.. does it matter? Like, at all? I hope I'm not the only one to find irony here, considering all of the things you argue 10+ posts about. I think the only confirmed "straight" thing is fapping to traps. Because come on, they just draw girls and then stick a penis on it. Honestly, how is that even fair? Although I still don't have an interest in it. It just confuses me. And I'm not referring to my brain. Yeah, being aroused by abnormally large penis on a being with breasts is perfectly straight. People only think it's straight because the entire futa-loving community wishes it to be so, not that it is. |
| I can't say much about boys watching yaoi with any authority, being female and not having seen many examples. But straight girls watching yuri makes perfect sense to me. It's a commonly accepted fact (at least 'round these parts) that straight girls are frequently secure enough in their sexuality to admit when they find another girl hot. Yuri would just be an extention of that, yes? Besides, the first yuri manga were very very shoujo (check out Oniisama E... for the quickest-to-confirm proof, but there's plently of others) and continue to frequently be aimed toward women (although there is, of course, plently of male-oriented yuri out there as well). ETA: Half of futa seems like an excuse to have penatrative yuri sex without toys. the other half is just kinda creepy. |
Plate said: Yeah, being aroused by abnormally large penis on a being with breasts is perfectly straight. People only think it's straight because the entire futa-loving community wishes it to be so, not that it is. Fapping to things is a different matter, but if you don't see the penis, then you can't call it gay. Heck, I wonder if you could even call it gay if they did see the penis but were not particularly aroused by that portion of the image. (There are penises in hetersexual porn...) "What does it mean to be homosexual?" is something I probably need to come to terms with before I start replying to these posts, on second thought. |
Fui said: hikky said: Better question.. does it matter? Like, at all? I hope I'm not the only one to find irony here, considering all of the things you argue 10+ posts about. They're at least a little more interesting than whether looking at yuri or yaoi makes you gay. Are you sexually attracted to the same gender? You are gay. Not a hard conclusion. (Pun not intended) And actually, I doubt I've ever argued for 10+ posts here on MAL. I just write long posts when I do argue which probably makes that illusion. |
hikky said: Are you sexually attracted to the same gender? You are gay. haha, that is so wrong XD There are many, many levels to sexuality, other than "gay" and "straight." |
asandari said: Plate said: Yeah, being aroused by abnormally large penis on a being with breasts is perfectly straight. People only think it's straight because the entire futa-loving community wishes it to be so, not that it is. Fapping to things is a different matter, but if you don't see the penis, then you can't call it gay. Heck, I wonder if you could even call it gay if they did see the penis but were not particularly aroused by that portion of the image. (There are penises in hetersexual porn...) "What does it mean to be homosexual?" is something I probably need to come to terms with before I start replying to these posts, on second thought. It's not futa if all you can see is obviously female. And then it defeats the point of futa, imo. |
ScrumYummy said: hikky said: Are you sexually attracted to the same gender? You are gay. haha, that is so wrong XD There are many, many levels to sexuality, other than "gay" and "straight." Actually, I find that "bi" people tend to just be hipster females who kissed another girl and think that means a sexual attraction. Oh, there's also a smaller group of "bi" people that I have discovered to exist who are nymphos with a poor or traumatic childhood that die their hair and get drunk on alcohol that they got from some 19-something deadbeat guy. (Edit: I just realized how stupid it sounds to say 19-something. Oh well.) |
| I don't think so. I have a strong distaste for yaoi but I have male friends who either like it or just don't mind it at all. I just hate seeing it around because I personally have no interest in it. I wouldn't say that comes down to sexual orientation, it just has no appeal. |
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hikky said: ScrumYummy said: hikky said: Are you sexually attracted to the same gender? You are gay. haha, that is so wrong XD There are many, many levels to sexuality, other than "gay" and "straight." Actually, I find that "bi" people tend to just be hipster females who kissed another girl and think that means a sexual attraction. Oh, there's also a smaller group of "bi" people that I have discovered to exist who are nymphos with a poor or traumatic childhood that die their hair and get drunk on alcohol that they got from some 19-something deadbeat guy. (Edit: I just realized how stupid it sounds to say 19-something. Oh well.) I thought you didn't get out much. And sexuality is not only more dynamic than "straight or gay," it's also a sliding scale. Meaning, not only are there many levels to it, but very rarely do people stay on one level. They tend to slide around. That's because as people, we are constantly changing, whether we feel that we are or not. It's because the world is constantly changing. ANYWAY, the point is, you can't judge people's sexuality by their words, or assume that they are what they say they are. *edit* But I am most definitely bi. Just various levels of it at different times. |
 NO ONE SAW THAT COMING. |
| I never understood this relationship between X sex and yaoi/yuri or 'live action' type of obsessions XD. If you enjoy watching two members of the opposite sex doing perverted things - does that mean you are a future transsexual? I can only understand people reading such if they enjoy those 'forbidden relationship' (by society) themed series. Even then, I've never heard of a male reading yaoi and being straight, or a female reading yuri material and being straight either. It was bisexual or homosexual - I'm sure there are a select proud few who are straight and read X, but it is rare to me and unheard of thus far. |
Rikuna said: future transsexual Explain yourself. |
Rikuna said: I never understood this relationship between X sex and yaoi/yuri or 'live action' type of obsessions XD. If you enjoy watching two members of the opposite sex doing perverted things - does that mean you are a future transsexual? That's a weird correlation to draw. I have no intentions of EVER being transgendered. ...not that I don't find a good deal of transgendered people to be hot. (husband reading over my shoulder: "There is absolutely no correlation...it's a lot more complex than that." Important because he's a health studies major with focus in sexualities.) |
| its only gay if the balls are touching... Im bi and read yaoi among other things so i cant really say for others... |
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| If a male likes yaoi, does that make him gay/bi? I'm not really sure, but it's a safe assumption, not that I really care. I love yuri, and dislike yaoi. I personally find two guys having sex to be disgusting, but people enjoy that, and I say let them. I'm not about to go on some anti-yaoi crusade and belittle those who enjoy it. I think it's idiotic to hate anything that doesn't harm you. Everyone's preferences are different, to each their own. It's like saying that someone who likes loli hentai is a pedo. I honestly don't care either way. Many of the people involved in these types of discussions go in with the mentality that a certain sexuality is inherently wrong, and because of that they will make accusations to feel good about themselves and push some stupid agenda. |
ScrumYummy said: I thought you didn't get out much. I've never tried to deny that. Not that my opinion was any different back when I did "get out much". ScrumYummy said: And sexuality is not only more dynamic than "straight or gay," it's also a sliding scale. Meaning, not only are there many levels to it, but very rarely do people stay on one level. They tend to slide around. That's because as people, we are constantly changing, whether we feel that we are or not. It's because the world is constantly changing. ANYWAY, the point is, you can't judge people's sexuality by their words, or assume that they are what they say they are. *edit* But I am most definitely bi. Just various levels of it at different times. Well, you see, from my point, and what I was saying in my original post in this thread, I think it's stupid to even bother saying "My sexuality is _____". It's just an inaccurate generalization. You like what you like, whatever that is, but I find that many people, rather than actually just saying they're bi to state that they like both sexes, say that they're bi because they like calling themselves bi. Even if they're not actually bi. But at any rate, I think a lot of women who call themselves bi are not actually ever sexually attracted to other females. The reason there are very few bi males is because as a male, if you're not sexually attracted to other males, you generally prefer not to think about or see other males' sexual experiences, nor do you want to touch or be touched by a male in any weird or "gay" way. It's not as much like that with females, because females generally love being around other females in the first place. You know, like girls who are not actually lesbian might still kiss another girl just out of curiosity or for fun. A guy who is not gay will almost never kiss another guy. Anyway, I don't know why I bothered to type this out, because it honestly really doesn't matter to me. God I have too much free time. |
sniW said: Plate said: Rikuna said: future transsexual Explain yourself. Haha, yeah... I don't myself becoming a transsexual anytime in the near future >.> I'm not sure she knows what she's talking about and might mean transgendered. :\ |
| Sorry, yes. I was reading other things other than posting, but yes. It just seems weird to be into that and as I am straight and don't indulge myself in those activities, I had a crazy idea about those who do, lol. |
| I'm a girl and I like watching/reading yuri but it doesn't turn me on or anything so I'm pretty sure I'm still straight. I just find it interesting. |
| Actually, I can think of one instance when I watched BL. It was in Genshiken 2 Ep 5. It was a parody though, and I thought it was really funny. Faust721 said: This may be the first and last time i'll say something like this. This yaoi episode was awesome. Xinil said: Laughed my ass off through the Yaoi parts. Zarin said: As a 100% heterosexual male I have to say that the episode was surprisingly entertaining |
sniWDec 20, 2008 7:21 PM
hikky said: You know, like girls who are not actually lesbian might still kiss another girl just out of curiosity or for fun. A guy who is not gay will almost never kiss another guy. Oops, I just poisoned the thread. |
tr1ggers4d said: Oops, I just poisoned the thread. I like how she strokes that pussy at :21. And as for this: hikky said: You know, like girls who are not actually lesbian might still kiss another girl just out of curiosity or for fun. A guy who is not gay will almost never kiss another guy.  Sup. |
Plate said: tr1ggers4d said: Oops, I just poisoned the thread. I like how she strokes that pussy at :21. I guess you could say she doesn't just kiss girls. -puts on sunglasses- She strokes pussies too. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH! |
hikky said: You know, like girls who are not actually lesbian might still kiss another girl just out of curiosity or for fun. A guy who is not gay will almost never kiss another guy. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA You've never heard of Gay For Pay, I take it :D *edit* You're still acting like there are only 2 positions. It's more like seven or eight. The Kinsey Scale 0 Exclusively heterosexual 1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual 2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual 3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual; bisexual. 4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual 5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual 6 Exclusively homosexual (there is also a seventh position, asexual or nonsexual) Findings of the Kinsey Reports: * Men: 11.6% of white males aged 20-35 were given a rating of 3 for this period of their lives. * Women: 7% of single females aged 20-35 and 4% of previously married females aged 20-35 were given a rating of 3 for this period of their lives. 2 to 6% of females, aged 20-35, were given a rating of 5 and 1 to 3% of unmarried females aged 20-35 were rated as 6. |
ScrumYummyDec 20, 2008 8:15 PM
ScrumYummy said: hikky said: You know, like girls who are not actually lesbian might still kiss another girl just out of curiosity or for fun. A guy who is not gay will almost never kiss another guy. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA You've never heard of Gay For Pay, I take it :D Getting paid to do it is different. People do lots of things they're uncomfortable with for money. Plenty of people would cut off and sell you their finger if the price was right. |
tr1ggers4d said: Oops, I just poisoned the thread. Blah, I don't like that song. I much prefer Jill Sobule's earlier version. It's much cuter :) |
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| As with all things gay, Gay For Pay is more complicated than that. |
moush said: I'm sorry, but if you're a guy and like reading about dudes sucking dick, you're gay. pretty much rofl. But, im a guy and absolutely love yuri (especially.. shoujo yuri), can't get enough, this is acceptable because my brain loves it and i assume there are other guys like me. Guys watching yaoi and especially reading it in favor of anything else just kinda screams gay (the bad gay aka guy guy). Unless they heard one is really good and it was suggested even though it was yaoi, i guess (i would too, if it was like the best anime ever created somehow). edit: I don't have anything against gays or whatever, it's just pretty obvious what is a gay activity |
akai_ribbonDec 20, 2008 8:34 PM
Jasonbear said: ...guys who like to watch lesbians and girls who like to watch gay boys. That's actually quite acceptable by society. Why? First of all, let's face it, society is a burden for individuality. I quite frankly don't really see why anyone would or should reject another's orientation. I mean c'mon, that really has nothing to do with you or me or anyone who isn't involved. Sexuality, be it conditioned by outside influence or by theory genes, is something that should universally be accepted. So what if a guy likes yaoi or a girl likes yuri and so on. so what? it makes them happy, let them do what they want. Now returning to the whole homosexuality argument. I consider myself straight, because I have never liked another male before and because I am aroused by the female species. Oddly enough, I have been liked by several homosexual males and they have indeed admitted it to me; it was surprising, but I didn't discriminate or isolate myself from them. So why should I do the same to a guy who watches yaoi?... The Answer is simple... No, because it has nothing to do with me. |
| What isn't red? What isn't blue? |
| I am not interested in that kind of manga/anime, but I don't have a problem with people liking it either. After all, many anime and manga do feature shounen-ai and shoujo-ai, it is a very common thing. Most female otaku (fujoshi) loves anime/manga that features homosexuality, which either scares people or turns people off, but I don't see that as problematic. At the same time, I don't like that kind of manga and anime either. An example of shoujo-ai anime would be: Maria-sama ga miteru and check out the list of seiyuu, oh wow!! Are they lesbians? Of course, not. Even if that's the case, so what? Like it matters.. However, I do realize that there are the "anti-" groups around. As long as these "anti-" groups don't resort to violence or hate crimes, it is okay as well. That's the way things are in the world nowadays... |
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