Why so much hate? This is actually pretty fun.

JRVV17 said:

It's boring to me to be honest also the fanservice doesn't work for me because I'm gay, tho. I have enjoyed shows with fanservice like "Sounan Desu ka?" and "Tejina-senpai" but I guess that was because the fanservice wasn't the only selling point to me.

monolith said:
This franchise grasp my attention a few weeks ago, so I started playing the mobile game to understand the anime

So, I want to know... Why so much hate?

Are Kancolle fans too salty?

people that don't plan to play the game actually could enjoy it.

Yuri-Crusader said:
I think its because the army of shonen fanboys. That down voting every anime that have a majority of females in them .And Especially if its a Yuri.. Because well lets face the truth here,, Lesbians are still scary for many people,That is just sad,, But i dont trust MAL points because of this

Whopping said:
Just because something is fun doesn't mean I'm going to rate it highly. While I don't hate the show, I feel like it lacks substance. Its one of those anime where I get the feeling I could be spending my time watching something more worthwhile. Nonetheless I enjoy anime with a navel theme and I'm not one to drop shows once I start them, so I'm going to continue watching it.

monolith said:

So, I want to know... Why so much hate? I'm pretty sure this doesn't deserve a this low score (nor a high score either like 9 or 10).

Are Kancolle fans too salty?

Or people are just taking too serious a bunch of cartoon ship waifus? This is definitly harmless, and people that don't plan to play the game actually could enjoy it.

Gorochu said:
Myanimelist rating never matter. It's the reception in Japan that really matter. This anime is specifically for the fans of the game, not anime viewers in general. It's the same with Arifureta. MAL rate Arifureta poorly but when it's announced getting season 2,MAL has a meltdown.

EmperorAlfred said:
I saw a screenshot while browsing my timeline about this anime receiving hate in Japan, or anti-Japanese, from watching the first episode, I can see why some Japanese fans finds it that way. But because of that screenshot I remembered that this anime was in my queue.

Judging from the Japanese people's perspective, I understand some of their points, but some others just seems so hypocritical.

But anyway, for me, this anime is something I'd watch. I have a knack for this types of anime, and I don't mind that much of a fanservice.

firemagnet said:


Several reasons:

1. Shoddy animation with bad quality control and visible variations within episodes, most prominently this latest one

2.Until this latest episode, there was no plot or narrative at all; just an attempt to stuff in as many characters as they could before letting them fight.

3. Bad direction, meaning that the anime does not meaningfully build upon the characters and mechanics introduced in the game. For an example of this done well in the same genre, see Kantai Collection the Animation or Rage of Bahamut, both based on mobile games.



As a Kancolle fan who also plays Azur Lane, f**k no. I just expected better from Azur Lane the animation, hoping that it would at least exceed the standard set by Kancolle's anime. Instead, what we got was trash that was apparently made by someone who thought all the things that Kancolle did wrong were in fact things done right.

That aside, Kancolle's characterization of ships, in actual personality, mechanical art quality, and incorporation of history are almost uniformly head-and-shoulders above their Azur Lane equivalents. The few exceptions to this are Prinz Eugen, Bismarck, Takao, Atago, Zara, Ark Royal, Colorado, Lexington, and Graf Zeppelin, where the characters of AL merely stand equal based on different personality aesthetics.





No. There's a difference between taking something seriously and being able to overlook serious flaws or actual incompetence in professional anime narrative and art direction. This is a case of the latter.



The difference between Arifureta and Azur Lane is down to quality of art and direction. Don't get me wrong: Arifureta is a classic harem power fantasy with at times cringe-worthy writing, but the character relationship dynamics and semblance of action give it at least some sort of momentum, both in the anime and the light novels. For all that it does wrong, it does enough right that it can keep on plodding on.

This is not the case with Azur Lane, and no amount of continuous fanservice historical or sexual can cover for the yawning abyss that is the lack of overarching narrative, meaningful world building, meaningful characterization, and downright incompetence in both art quality control and direction.

Whopping said:
Just because something is fun doesn't mean I'm going to rate it highly. While I don't hate the show, I feel like it lacks substance. Its one of those anime where I get the feeling I could be spending my time watching something more worthwhile. Nonetheless I enjoy anime with a navel theme and I'm not one to drop shows once I start them, so I'm going to continue watching it.

Lel0uchZer0 said:

It's just boring
I cannot watch an episode without doing something else cause there's nothing for me

Yuri-Crusader said:
I think its because the army of shonen fanboys. That down voting every anime that have a majority of females in them .And Especially if its a Yuri.. Because well lets face the truth here,, Lesbians are still scary for many people,That is just sad,, But i dont trust MAL points because of this

Gorochu said:
Myanimelist rating never matter. It's the reception in Japan that really matter. This anime is specifically for the fans of the game, not anime viewers in general. It's the same with Arifureta. MAL rate Arifureta poorly but when it's announced getting season 2,MAL has a meltdown.

firemagnet said:


Several reasons:

1. Shoddy animation with bad quality control and visible variations within episodes, most prominently this latest one

2.Until this latest episode, there was no plot or narrative at all; just an attempt to stuff in as many characters as they could before letting them fight.

3. Bad direction, meaning that the anime does not meaningfully build upon the characters and mechanics introduced in the game. For an example of this done well in the same genre, see Kantai Collection the Animation or Rage of Bahamut, both based on mobile games.



As a Kancolle fan who also plays Azur Lane, f**k no. I just expected better from Azur Lane the animation, hoping that it would at least exceed the standard set by Kancolle's anime. Instead, what we got was trash that was apparently made by someone who thought all the things that Kancolle did wrong were in fact things done right.

That aside, Kancolle's characterization of ships, in actual personality, mechanical art quality, and incorporation of history are almost uniformly head-and-shoulders above their Azur Lane equivalents. The few exceptions to this are Prinz Eugen, Bismarck, Takao, Atago, Zara, Ark Royal, Colorado, Lexington, and Graf Zeppelin, where the characters of AL merely stand equal based on different personality aesthetics.





No. There's a difference between taking something seriously and being able to overlook serious flaws or actual incompetence in professional anime narrative and art direction. This is a case of the latter.



The difference between Arifureta and Azur Lane is down to quality of art and direction. Don't get me wrong: Arifureta is a classic harem power fantasy with at times cringe-worthy writing, but the character relationship dynamics and semblance of action give it at least some sort of momentum, both in the anime and the light novels. For all that it does wrong, it does enough right that it can keep on plodding on.

This is not the case with Azur Lane, and no amount of continuous fanservice historical or sexual can cover for the yawning abyss that is the lack of overarching narrative, meaningful world building, meaningful characterization, and downright incompetence in both art quality control and direction.

Heimur said:
I'm not too much into fanservice and can't say that the story so far have been outstanding.

I don't see myself giving it a high score but I don't hate it because I already expected this to be more like a promotion of the game than anything.

Basically just watching it to see cute things.

monolith said:


I'm actually a fan of Arifureta LN, not because is good, but because it was so bad and edgy on porpuse that is actually enjoyable. A guilty pleasure with out a doubt. But the adaptation was actually an insult to tha fans. It was lightened like if it had to pass through Disney standars. I got pretty up set after episode 6.

In the opposite case, even if I stated playing the mobile game less than a month ago, I can grasp most of the winks and fanservice here. And the AL community is pretty big outside Japan, and with streaming, animes are becoming a more global product, like in the days of just DVDs.

Gorochu said:


Nope. Disagree on KanColle having better better characterization on ships, actual personality. The abyss in KanColle got no personality at all, just mindless monster. The enemy are just pure evil monster and that's it. With Azur Lane, the villains(Sakura Empire and Ironblood) have actual personality and motivation than just mindless monster. The character design of KanColle also inferior than Azur Lane. KanColle character design are plain and characters always in school uniform or kimono.

That's not what I mean. It really doesn't matter what you think of the quality between Arifureta and Azur Lane because as long as reception of Azur Lane is good in Japan, then it's all good. There are plenty of anime MAL think is better than Arifureta but did not receive second season. In other words, it's all boils down to sales of bluray/dvd, streaming etc. As long as Azur Lane does good in this area,no matter how bad the rating/review it receives in MAL, they are all irrelevant. We have to wait and see the profit it earn. KanColle doesn't have good rating in MAL too but with over 19k bluray/dvd sales, it makes MAL rating and review totally irrelevant. That is why Arifureta receive season 2 despite poor rating in MAL, hence what I mean when I said MAL rating/review is irrelevant.

monolith said:


Man, you need to watch a looooot of bad anime to actually get what bottom of the abyss really look like. I don't even add those animes to my list anymore. I used to give 2s or 3s back in the old days, not anymore.

I agree with most of what you said. This is definilty a flawed anime, (though KanColle was far more boring to this point, even if I liked tha fanservice). My point is that this (and a ton of other animes) don't deserve a 1 or 2. People should not cheapen their hate with this ease.

MAL used to be a good place to actually decide with confidence what to watch and what to avoid. Now is a hideout of cingy edglords, and unregistred anime snobists. That's all.

(And Arifureta was a solid 3 or 2. I'm saying it as a LN fan. They butchered the source with ill intent apparently)

firemagnet said:


I disagree vehemently with the insinuation that Azur Lane's characters are better than Kancolle's for the ships which both of the games share, and here's why.

While the characters may seem plain, Kancolle's artwork is roughly uniform within ship and between classes; destroyers are almost all dressed in a uniform which closely resembles the naval uniform of the nation they hail from. Cruisers have uniforms styled after the purpose of each class or a particular ship's accomplishment; for instance, the Sendai class all look like ninjas because IJN Sendai fought most of her surface actions at night. Battleships are all modeled after Miko or warriors, while carriers are, at least for the IJN, either spirit summoners or archers. Each of the characters has common elements which define the class while also having unique elements directly based on the individual history of the ship itself.

For instance, Shigure and Yuudachi in Kantai Collection both have "wolf ear" shapes within their hair because of the interpretation of their being "loyal hounds" either due to their service record or ferocity in combat.

Yuudachi herself has the verbal tic of "poi" precisely because of the unclear accounts of her final battle during the second naval battle of Guadalcanal; her art and voice lines have and mention a sail respectively, a direct reference to when her captain ordered hammocks rigged to the mast after her propulsion was knocked out.

There are dozens more characters like this, each designed with vastly more care and consideration than seems to have gone into the design of Azur Lane's equivalents, which are largely based around the mythos or outstanding cultural traits of each nation in question, and have little if any commonality within classes.

Let's just take Zuikaku as one more example. In Kancolle, Zuikaku's persona and voice lines reflect the history of the actual ship better, referencing a tactic used during the battle of the Mariana Islands, otherwise known as the "great turkey shoot." By contrast, Zuikaku in Azur Lane is characterized as a Ronin, and in the anime fights with a sword at close range, which denies the purpose both of her class and negates the history of the actual ship. More is not better, where Azur Lane is concerned.

Because it takes care to better incorporate the history of the ships themselves, and because of how the gameplay functions, Kantai Collection doesn't need an enemy with a face. Even though allusions are made to the "abyssals" being the allied forces, Kantai Collection is fundamentally a collection and strategy game rather than an action game. Hence, the focus is on how the player interacts with and uses their ships, while still allowing the incorporation of further characters outside of the originally intended Imperial Japanese Navy. If we need another example of this, we can reference Girls Front Line, which is essentially Kancolle but with firearms and quality of life improvements. In that game, too, the enemy is faceless save for a few boss characters, but the game is still very popular.

As a result, and because of the way the characters are more faithful to the history of the ship with more voice lines and more definition, Kantai Collection the anime had a better opportunity to build off of the source material and its game mechanics, all of which are faithfully rendered in the animation. This includes the consequences of failure and death. Here, the lack of an enemy which needs definition allows better focus on world-building, fanservice of the proper historical sort, and showing how the characters grow as individuals.

Since Azur Lane the game lacks this focus and clarity of character design, is much more shallow in terms of mechanics, and also relies increasingly upon sexual fanservice (see: Taiho, Illustrious et al), it's much more difficult to build a concrete and believable world from. And, to be honest, the director and producer only really started trying with this episode.

Overall, Azur Lane is the better pickup and play game for overall time spent. Yet in terms of characterization, faithfulness to the history of the ship and its service, articulation of personality, and mechanical art fidelity, Kantai Collection simply blows Azur Lane straight out of the water almost every single time, and that's what I believe ultimately matters.




That may well be, but you're missing the point. @monolith is polling the audience here and on reddit, namely the global audience, as to why the show seems to be poorly received with western audiences. The question of how well the show does in Japan is functionally irrelevant to what's actually being asked.

After only four months, there were more than five million Japanese players.

As of April 2015, there were 3 million players.[5]

firemagnet said:

Since Azur Lane the game lacks this focus and clarity of character design, is much more shallow in terms of mechanics, and also relies increasingly upon sexual fanservice (see: Taiho, Illustrious et al), it's much more difficult to build a concrete and believable world from. And, to be honest, the director and producer only really started trying with this episode.

Overall, Azur Lane is the better pickup and play game for overall time spent. Yet in terms of characterization, faithfulness to the history of the ship and its service, articulation of personality, and mechanical art fidelity, Kantai Collection simply blows Azur Lane straight out of the water almost every single time, and that's what I believe ultimately matters.

monolith said:


I've been palying the mobile game for 3 weeks and I didn't got any lesbian themes. Also I've watched the 4 episodes, and also there is no a lesbian theme. It's actually a battle shounen for the most part, wiith a ton of waifus to choose. So I think this is nbot the reason.

I'm not fond of lesbian themes in anime, unless the plot is thick and serious, and I tend to stay away of the "cute girls doing cute things" genre, and this is not the case.

azzuRe said:


Nah. Kancolle is all about IJN fleets. AL does more justice to ships that in service in WW II.
Also "faithfulness to the history" seriously? Take this Warspite in game art for example:



HMS Warspite always had 4 x Twin-15 inch guns as her main firepower
"The Grand Old Lady" is her nickname derived from her captain Andrew Cunningham that remarked ~"When the old lady lifts her skirts she can run"

Guess which one is from Azur Lane and which one is Kancolle

firemagnet said:


I don't list the bad anime that I watch, mostly because I avoid them like the plague. Recent examples which come to mind are Symphogear and Frame Arms Girl.





I'm not going to give a full review for Azur Lane until its over. This latest episode showed promise, vast shifts in art quality aside. And at least the voice acting is decent, unlike the English Dub. I cannot stand the fake attempts at a high-british received pronunciation accent that the english VAs use for the RN characters. As someone who spent my childhood in England, specifically in the metropolitan London area, I know what the accent sounds like, and funimation's attempts to emulate it rather than hire actual British VAs are so cringe-worthy that's actually insulting.


As for Kancolle the Animation, I have to say that Kancolle the Animation has (so far) done a better job with its characters and world building. The lack of an actual story in the game gives the anime much more room to grow, and the slice-of-life focus with some light focus on combat gives more attention to the characters and how they interact with each other. That's not boring, it's just better pacing.




I don't even use this forum to decide what to watch. I just look at what's available on anichart. I come here to discuss the shows I enjoy with other people who enjoy them.

As for Arifureta...... I'm of mixed feelings. I watched the anime first, wondering what all the noise was about, and then began reading the light novels (I'm currently on volume 4, roughly where the anime ends).

I can't say I'm terribly impressed with Arifureta in either format, since in both cases it comes off as a budget Sword Art Online with an edgelord tsundere male hero who absolutely cannot get over himself, and the writing leaves much to be desired. Despite this, the novels in particular have their own momentum, and this leaves me with the feeling that Arifureta is the "twilight" or "50 shades of gray" of Isekai light novels.

Lel0uchZer0 said:

I never gave it a 1 or 2
I gave it a 7 for now but probably will give it a 6 by the end
The anime is ok but not for me. It's not a bad anime at all

Yuri-Crusader said:


I couldn't find a single Yuri on your list, so you dont know what you are talking about. Yuri may not be the main theme in Azur Lane but its defiantly there .And Lesbians still upset people and that with only female cast are some of the reason why it have low points .Then Story also ofc, I mean I love all the Yuri =P But I have no clue on what is going on =P Its confusing ,, Some people dont like that

Gorochu said:


On what basis that KanColle blow up Azur Lane? Base on your definition of quality which is subjective just like mine and everyone else? From what I seen on number of players AL earn more players in Japan than KanColle.

After only four months, there were more than five million Japanese players.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azur_Lane#Reception

Kancolle started in 2013.
As of April 2015, there were 3 million players.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kantai_Collection#Player_population

2 years to earn 3 million players while AL need just 4 months.

While KanColle may be faithful to history in term of ship design, it's not when it comes to story line since in the anime, the Japanese ships won battle of Midway. Not so faithful overall. I don't see how ship design being faithful to history matter when KanColle is not being faithful to history in the first place by making Japanese ships won the Midway battle.

Azur Lane character design has far more variety and better overall.

KanColle character design are too plain.

I don't think being faithful to history matter but if it does, why limit 'faithful to history' to just character design and not the plot.

Seems cherry picking and huge bias double standard, giving credit to character design of KanColle while close one eye on other aspect when it's not being 'faithful to history'.

I never play Girl's Frontline so no comment on that but I have to disagree it doesn't need enemy with faces just because of it's gameplay and especially when it comes to anime, enemy with faces and personality matter so AL already has better writing than KanColle anime in term of story writing and character motivation. KanColle enemy is just mindless beast,that's all. No substance at all from the abyss, completely bland.

firemagnet said:


Attention to the ship's history, better art overall, particularly when it comes to the IJN (though this is mostly creator provincialism).

As far as I'm aware, Azur Lane briefly had more players than Kantai Collection in Japan, though that's not saying much; Azur Lane is a more modern game, better tuned to modern mobile game aesthetics and mobile game gacha strategies.






There are no accurate statistics by which one can compare overall server populations at this moment in time, but if we look at google trends, Kantai Collection remains vastly more popular in Japan than Azur Lane does. This is in spite of Tanaka (game creator) and C2 (game studio) patently refusing to implement much needed quality-of-life fixes and improvments at almost any point in the last five years.








You'll note that I said the history of the ships themselves, not actual history. Kancolle, the game and the anime, are completely irreverent in terms of the actual history of the war, save that the game allows players to participate in events based on IJN and/or Axis maritime operations.



More variety doesn't automatically equal better. As we can see with the anime, the sheer amount of characters has made things worse. I'm going to dispute better overall, since if we're imply better overall, it's how well the appearance of the character reflects the history or features of this ship, and its actual role in combat. If we work along those lines, Kantai Collection is almost always better when it comes to ships that the two games share, though there are notable exceptions, particularly when it comes to British and U.S. ships; With the exception of USS Saratoga, Azur Lane's art is almost always better. In terms of animation comparison, there really isn't one to be made: Kancolle the Animation simulates actual naval combat, and puts ships in their actual roles; Azur Lane thinks that its ships are servants from Fate / Stay Night. Zuikaku, fighting at close range, with a Katana. SMH.


If they're plain, it's because the uniforms that actual sailors wore were relatively plain.


If we look at what happened to the IJN, I'm not sure that Kancolle the Animation being entirely faithful to history would have been very fun for the fans, though the anime does remain faithful to history in some ways; in the anime, Kisaragi is part of the force sent to attack "W Island" (Wake Island, of course). There, she's sunk by an abyssal fighter in exactly the same manner that she was sunk by the fighters of VMF-211, taking a bomb hit against her depth charges and exploding. There's more tidbits like that in the anime as well, some more obvious than not.

That's because Kantai Collection the game isn't faithful to the history of the second world war at all, but then it doesn't need to be. Nor, for that matter, is Azur Lane truly faithful either, so it's not a good comparison to make.

More variety doesn't automatically equal better. As we can see with the anime, the sheer amount of characters has made things worse. I'm going to dispute better overall, since if we're imply better overall, it's how well the appearance of the character reflects the history or features of this ship, and its actual role in combat. If we work along those lines, Kantai Collection is almost always better when it comes to ships that the two games share, though there are notable exceptions, particularly when it comes to British and U.S. ships; With the exception of USS Saratoga, Azur Lane's art is almost always better. In terms of animation comparison, there really isn't one to be made: Kancolle the Animation simulates actual naval combat, and puts ships in their actual roles; Azur Lane thinks that its ships are servants from Fate / Stay Night. Zuikaku, fighting at close range, with a Katana. SMH.

That's because Kantai Collection the game isn't faithful to the history of the second world war at all, but then it doesn't need to be. Nor, for that matter, is Azur Lane truly faithful either, so it's not a good comparison to make.

I'm going to disagree with this for a particular reason, and it's because it depends on the tone of the story you want to tell. Kantai Collection the animation focuses almost exclusively upon building out the characters and building out the world through how the characters interact with each other. More than anything else, it's Fubuki's story and journey, but this provides an able platform for introducing other familiar characters and fleshing them out. It's a portrait of the lives of the ship girls, mixed with a very loose view of the second world war in the pacific as seen from a Japanese perspective.

Azur Lane's take seems to be a portrait of war itself, hence the need to focus comparatively less time on more characters, including fleshing out basic motivations....which it really only started doing with this fourth episode. Had this been done earlier and with more fidelity, I might be more amenable to any claim that Azur Lane is somehow a better anime, but because Azur Lane has been too busy packing characters into fights and packing in fanservice, we haven't gotten to see how the characters act under most non-combat circumstances, or when they think no-one's looking.

firemagnet said:


That's one example, which is why I said almost every single time.

Warspite's voice lines in Kancolle reference her battle actions (night action against Pola, Zara, and the Italian Mediterranean fleet), as well as the fact that she was one of the ships in WWII to take a hit from a Fritz-X guided bomb. She likely wears a dress precisely because of her captain's quote.

The only actual error with Warspite's art in Kantai Collection is that it's missing the other two turrets on her rig; Not all of the art has all of the weapons that existed on the ship's hull, and this seems to be down to the preference of the artist. For instance, Tenryu doesn't have all of her four turrets in Kancolle; Naka doesn't have all of her turrets in Azur Lane, while she does in Kantai Collection, and so on.

Sqile46 said:
Just saying:
This Anime is actually the advertisement for the game, if people love it they will eventually play the game, and if people dislike it, obviously they will disgust it and giving a bad review, I've played this game since 2017 before the global launch, and this Anime pretty much giving me a lot of smile because I know almost every character appear in it, I like this Anime, I'm glad they've made the game into a series

To people who hate this Anime, I feel you, cause I've watched Kancolle, and I don't enjoyed it very much, because I don't touch the game a single inch, and I don't blame the author of the Anime, it's just me who don't like it.

And remember, the rating is just a number
This Anime actual quality isn't depend on the rating.

Yuri-Crusader said:
I think its because the army of shonen fanboys. That down voting every anime that have a majority of females in them .And Especially if its a Yuri.. Because well lets face the truth here,, Lesbians are still scary for many people,That is just sad,, But i dont trust MAL points because of this

ariacelesta said:
I've pretty much lost faith in MAL ranking from a while ago. People tend to rate and hate anime while jumping into different bandwagons. Shows get overratwd and underrated all the time. Not to mention the number of puritans and high moral compass hypocrite warriors roaming the site. And also the dark shows lovers edgelords.

Yuri-Crusader said:
@Dark_Pride Don't tell me what to do!!

And yes its is true,, Not every shonen fan ofc. But i have seen it with my own eyes. People coming to this only females shows ,, Complains over only females cast, and its to gay! Lesbians are so scary =P

I go and i'll check out their list, And you can clearly see their little game! Giving those kind of show extremely low points, While their Shonen with mostly males and other stuff they prefer gets a high score!!!

But again not all of them!!

ariacelesta said:
I've pretty much lost faith in MAL ranking from a while ago. People tend to rate and hate anime while jumping into different bandwagons. Shows get overratwd and underrated all the time. Not to mention the number of puritans and high moral compass hypocrite warriors roaming the site. And also the dark shows lovers edgelords.

monolith said:
This franchise grasp my attention a few weeks ago, so I started playing the mobile game to undesrstand the anime, and both (game and anime) end up to be surprisingly fun.

Pay attention, I said fun, not brilliant, not a masterpiece, nor a life-changing experience, just plain and old fun. Like Pacific Rim or John Wick kind of action-oriented-not-plot-driven fun. Obviously, if you are familiar with the game, you will get and enjoy the fanservice (and there is a ton of it), but if you watch it even without knowing anything, it's an ok-ish shounen-esque action anime, that doesn't insult the audience, and after episode 4, it actually got pretty interesting.

So, I want to know... Why so much hate? I'm pretty sure this doesn't deserve a this low score (nor a high score either like 9 or 10). Are Kancolle fans too salty? Or people are just taking too serious a bunch of cartoon ship waifus? This is definitly harmless, and people that don't plan to play the game actually could enjoy it.

DarkwindJR said:
Sadly, the Normies/Haters from World of Warships have come just to hate on the show.