Reply to Alexruns72
it is silly to complain about 'tourists' ruining the show because an educational anime that is broadcast at 17:30 on Saturdays in Japan doesn't have creepshots of a ten year old girl character. Studio Bind obviously has to be mindful of broadcast standards and their broadcast partners.
| @Alexruns72 well, there's the issue: Studio Bind and those pesky broadcasters! They should have just let Queen Bee animate slideshow it, and don't care about broadcasts. I bet that would have made those people now complaining very happy! /s |
WizardOfOssJul 19, 12:46 PM
| Another japanimation ruined by pancensorship... |
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| I hate when people justify removing fanservice because the hate it and "it looks better like this anyway", but OP, you also need to consider the presentation. From shots of Nagi's butt in those jeans to that scene of Ruri in pijama that many have already mentioned here, the show clearly doesn't shy away from it. Panty shots are a more "in your face" type of fanservice and the studio is just not going for that kind of vibe with this show, and showing it there could have really broken the scene, from it's seriousness to the immersion. |
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FofWeeb said: Imagine dropping a beautiful anime just because it doesn't show some panties. Get over it. That is a weird reason for someone to drop an anime or manga. |
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| The girls in it are still cute so whatever. |
| It actually looks more ecchi, implying a lack of panties on her. |
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wildhood said: Censorship of fanservice in non-ecchi anime is nothing new tbh. It's something they've always been doing for a long time. Doesn't matter if it's a seinen or not. I remember watching the Jigokuraku anime (it's a shounen though), then reading the manga and was surprised that the manga had nudity in it. Hell, series like Inuyasha, as you said, had a lot of the nudity removed in the anime series compared to the manga and this was when the anime came out in 2000, 25 years ago! Before a lot of people posting here were even born. I also don't get why whenever attention is brought to it over a particular scene or shot in any particular anime nowadays it's often framed as a new phenomenon. Toning down some more explicit content, both sexual and violence-wise, has been going on in anime for decades and decades. I'm not saying I'm in favor of it (though as I said in my first post in this thread topic, I think changes like the one OP highlighted have been really minimal and inconsequential for this series and its plot/characters thus far and no aesthetic beauty and value, either of the girls or anything else in the show, has really been lost), but lately it's presented like this new sudden threat which just emerged. I'm not even a manga reader and even before I knew much of anything about anime or manga, I still kind of intuitively understood and assumed that even if there were ideas and situations in anime which were more provocative and you didn't usually see in most Western cartoons (or even live action content, depending on what it is), that regardless there were still probably often more explicit or detailed depictions in the original print versions. And often that's the case. Because they seem to tend to feel the need to make the anime versions a little more mainstream-friendly/accessible than the manga (or light novel, visual novel, etc.) original iterations. Even if it's for a series which even the anime for isn't at all mainstream to begin with compared to larger titles like many isekai, battle shounen, and school romcoms. I mean, famed dark fantasy legend Berserk was slightly toned down in anime form, and that was in the friggin late 90s. |
WatchTillTandavaJul 20, 7:27 AM
| Y'all are dense as fuck. Censorship would have been the publisher removing all fan-service from the manga. This is just the studio taking a creative liberty and deciding to change very minor and honestly insignificant details. I am all against censorship, but you all need to learn to recognize what is censorship and what isn't. One of the users above gave some good reasons why the panty-shots were removed (not a very good drawing, hard to translate to this show's animation style, etc). If you think they should have kept it in, understandable. If you think this completely ruins the adaptation and is literally 1984, you're overly dramatic. |
 "Tarapia tapioco! Brematurata la supercazzola, o scherziamo?" |
| I haven't started watching the anime yet, but from the footage I've seen, they still retained a fair amount of fanservice, even if it's not the most intense. I can already see people speculating about the character relationships because the manga loved subtle ecchi. |
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| I had no idea that they were censoring the manga, while I will keep watching this anime because it is one visually beautiful anime this season. But to say the truth this was not expected from Bind but considering this is an Aniplex production we can already assume that they forced this censorship. Or maybe this is a ploy by Kadokawa to sell more manga volumes..... And the number of people justifying the censorship here is concerning. The tourists have truly infiltrated the anime community. |
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| You guys are saying Ruri is underage, but that doesn't change the fact, that she is bratty and needs to be corrected. 😭 😭 💢💢😭😭💢 |
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| Thread Cleaned Try and have a discussion without baiting or insulting each other, thanks. |
| Negative, but the pantsushot scene made me laugh because visually censor version it came out that way that Ruri without underwear. |
| I met this series with the anime, but when I saw those manga pages, I wondered why they censored it. I'm not going to drop, because the anime's still beautiful and fun to watch. However, it is indeed sad that they're censoring stuff so much nowadays, and I think raising a discussion about it is actually good Then again, people will just call you a gooner or something like that. I mean, people are responding this post saying things like "sybau", so you know. These kind of people will always be complacent with censorship Anyway, Ruri still cute. |
  Imouto suki Tsundere-Chuuni-Imoutos save me...   |
| So let me get this straight... there is this child, canonically 16 in high school, that looks and acts 12 in the manga, and because she doesn't flash panties, this animation is somehow not worthy of praise? Meanwhile, the other MC, and all the bg characters to the boot, have insane bazongas, hips like dubai influencers and booties like they live on the hip thrust machine, nowhere to be found in manga, and that somehow doesn't count? And then we discus WHY the wholesome educational anime for kids about geology, probably aired in the appropriate time slot, can't have a kid panty shoot and that it actually should? Are we insane? |
| Nowadays, people are too comfortable with censorship, and that's not only sad but also dangerous... No matter the degree, whether it helps, harms, or makes no difference to the message, censorship is still censorship. |
| As someone who enjoys fanservice I'm not too bothered by these changes, Idk maybe it being toned down fits the chill vibe of the series. Probably I'm not cultured enough but I enjoyed Ruri's cute butt under the water, both in the manga and anime. |
  MAL is the perfect place to shit talk about people's opinions. |
| People thinking removing fanservice is new when stuff like de-hentaizing eroge games hasn't happened before since the freaking 2000s, ranging to turning them into just ecchi to downright make them PG. For all the time I have seen anime it's always been the norm for the TV adaptation to have notably less fanservice, nudity, sex or violence compared to the source material. It's almost guaranteed, even in old anime. |
 MOKUSHI KUSHIMO SHIMOKU KUMOSHI MOSHIKU SHIKUMO. |
| People seem to miss the obvious point. You are either for censorship or against. You give those people an inch, they will take a mile. |
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Reply to Piromysl
People seem to miss the obvious point.
You are either for censorship or against.
You give those people an inch, they will take a mile.
You are either for censorship or against.
You give those people an inch, they will take a mile.
| @Piromysl Only if you think in absolutes. The anime is an adaptation made by other people for a different medium, so there will inevitably be changes to the source material. If you can't accept that and consider even the slightest change "censorship" (making the term lose any meaning in the process), then why not just stick to the source material? |
WizardOfOss said: @Piromysl Only if you think in absolutes. The anime is an adaptation made by other people for a different medium, so there will inevitably be changes to the source material. If you can't accept that and consider even the slightest change "censorship" (making the term lose any meaning in the process), then why not just stick to the source material? I don't really respect the appeal to triviality. I could easily also ask, why even bother adapting the source material if you just gonna disrespect the author like that, by disregarding the aspect you seem inferior or problematic? Censorship is censorship and it's bad regardless. And no, it's not "losing it's meaning" because change was made to appease the easily offended, lowest denominator. It is especially ironic to see takes like this one when payment processors are doing stuff like this right now. |
PiromyslJul 25, 3:11 AM
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WizardOfOss said:
@Piromysl Only if you think in absolutes. The anime is an adaptation made by other people for a different medium, so there will inevitably be changes to the source material. If you can't accept that and consider even the slightest change "censorship" (making the term lose any meaning in the process), then why not just stick to the source material?
@Piromysl Only if you think in absolutes. The anime is an adaptation made by other people for a different medium, so there will inevitably be changes to the source material. If you can't accept that and consider even the slightest change "censorship" (making the term lose any meaning in the process), then why not just stick to the source material?
I don't really respect the appeal to triviality. I could easily also ask, why even bother adapting the source material if you just gonna disrespect the author like that, by disregarding the aspect you seem inferior or problematic?
Censorship is censorship and it's bad regardless. And no, it's not "losing it's meaning" because change was made to appease the easily offended, lowest denominator. It is especially ironic to see takes like this one when payment processors are doing stuff like this right now.
| Well, why do we even need an adaptation if the source material exists, and any change to that is deemed unacceptable? Better only watch anime originals, those will be the only ones unaffected by "censorship". |
| I’m not familiar with the manga but it seems weird to have fan service in general about a topic like mineralogy. It doesn’t add anything to the story. Nagi’s boobs alone could knock someone out if she turns around too fast. lol You got that fan service so I don’t know why’d you would drop it just because they took some panty shots out. Whatever floats your boat. |
| @zoomerReviewer I mean, if a source material has a flaw (eg. excessive panty shots) that doesn't mean you're forced to carry over that flaw to the adaptation. You have the creative control to make the adaptation better than the original. |
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| show looks a lot better than the manga, not necessarily bad to make the fanservice more tasteful imo. and if you just want something low brow to jerk it to then you still have the manga |
| The first example is just funny to me, because it looks like she isn't even wearing panties, now. I can't say I would have expected the random panty shots in the manga, and would have thought Bind would be the one to spice it up, rather than censor it. Of course, Bind did release an entirely censored version of Onimai for global consumption, and only had the good version broadcast in Japan, so that was peculiar. At any rate, this just seems to be the fate for non all out ecchi fanservice in anime these days, so take it or leave it. It's an absolutely stupid reason to drop the show, though. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Reply to MarlsMarsBars
Also, if you're complaining that you don't get to see minors being sexualized in a fucking educational/SOL show, then take a good hard look in the mirror and come back to reality.
| @MarlsMarsBars Obligatory, drawings aren't real, bud. Who's the one who should come back to reality? |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Reply to SugoiDekaiOppai
So let me get this straight...
there is this child, canonically 16 in high school, that looks and acts 12 in the manga, and because she doesn't flash panties, this animation is somehow not worthy of praise? Meanwhile, the other MC, and all the bg characters to the boot, have insane bazongas, hips like dubai influencers and booties like they live on the hip thrust machine, nowhere to be found in manga, and that somehow doesn't count? And then we discus WHY the wholesome educational anime for kids about geology, probably aired in the appropriate time slot, can't have a kid panty shoot and that it actually should? Are we insane?
there is this child, canonically 16 in high school, that looks and acts 12 in the manga, and because she doesn't flash panties, this animation is somehow not worthy of praise? Meanwhile, the other MC, and all the bg characters to the boot, have insane bazongas, hips like dubai influencers and booties like they live on the hip thrust machine, nowhere to be found in manga, and that somehow doesn't count? And then we discus WHY the wholesome educational anime for kids about geology, probably aired in the appropriate time slot, can't have a kid panty shoot and that it actually should? Are we insane?
| @SugoiDekaiOppai Would it have random panty shots if it was supposed to just be a wholesome educational manga for kids, though? lol |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| I think its better without the panty shots, personally. All I need are those tight fitting jeans. ;p |
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@zombie_pegasus when you adapt something into anime from a source material you are admitting that it's worth exerting money talent and time into it because there is an inherent value in the work to begin with. ergo changes made that are not additive can never objectively be considered improvements. if the studio had enough talent to merit judging what is worth cutting or not they would be making original anime and not baiting plausible deniability retards like you. Mod edit: Removed baiting |
FluffygreygrassAug 22, 3:00 PM
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@zombie_pegasus when you adapt something into anime from a source material you are admitting that it's worth exerting money talent and time into it because there is an inherent value in the work to begin with. ergo changes made that are not additive can never objectively be considered improvements. if the studio had enough talent to merit judging what is worth cutting or not they would be making original anime and not baiting plausible deniability retards like you.
Mod edit: Removed baiting
| @zoomerReviewer That's not how adaptations work, though. People can see a manga and know it would be successful for an anime only audience if only X or Y was changed. Hell, there's even some manga where the anime targets a different demographic. Mahou shoujo manga are usually more romance focused with the fighting aspect being more of a backdrop because they're made for teenage girls, but when they get adapted into anime they lay back on the romance and put more of a spotlight on the fights because they're for a younger audience that doesn't care as much about romance and would prefer to see role models defeat enemies through magic and friendship. If you're making an adaptation, you don't have to make a 1:1 adaptation to "respect the source material", it depends on what you want to do with it and who you want the adaptation to be for. If you have a manga about cute girls looking for cool rocks and despite all the gooner panels there's a wholesome story there, you don't have to bring over the fanservice. If that's mostly a manga audience who was into the fanservice and the anime audience you expect to be into the product would be turned away by the fanservice, no one is forcing you to keep the panty shots in. There is inherent value in the work but if some aspects conflict with the vision you have for the anime you can cut that out. You can also add things to it that the manga fans might not have liked if you know the people who would watch the anime would appreciate them. |
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@zoomerReviewer That's not how adaptations work, though. People can see a manga and know it would be successful for an anime only audience if only X or Y was changed. Hell, there's even some manga where the anime targets a different demographic. Mahou shoujo manga are usually more romance focused with the fighting aspect being more of a backdrop because they're made for teenage girls, but when they get adapted into anime they lay back on the romance and put more of a spotlight on the fights because they're for a younger audience that doesn't care as much about romance and would prefer to see role models defeat enemies through magic and friendship. If you're making an adaptation, you don't have to make a 1:1 adaptation to "respect the source material", it depends on what you want to do with it and who you want the adaptation to be for.
If you have a manga about cute girls looking for cool rocks and despite all the gooner panels there's a wholesome story there, you don't have to bring over the fanservice. If that's mostly a manga audience who was into the fanservice and the anime audience you expect to be into the product would be turned away by the fanservice, no one is forcing you to keep the panty shots in. There is inherent value in the work but if some aspects conflict with the vision you have for the anime you can cut that out. You can also add things to it that the manga fans might not have liked if you know the people who would watch the anime would appreciate them.
If you have a manga about cute girls looking for cool rocks and despite all the gooner panels there's a wholesome story there, you don't have to bring over the fanservice. If that's mostly a manga audience who was into the fanservice and the anime audience you expect to be into the product would be turned away by the fanservice, no one is forcing you to keep the panty shots in. There is inherent value in the work but if some aspects conflict with the vision you have for the anime you can cut that out. You can also add things to it that the manga fans might not have liked if you know the people who would watch the anime would appreciate them.
| @zombie_pegasus anime only exists either for a reward for the manga audience or a way to funnel anime viewers into buying source material. thats why there are rarely any anime that adapt the entire manga unless the manga is successful enough to warrant multiple seasons. |
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