Lazarus Episode 12 Discussion

@Marinate1016 Nah the NPCs glaze it every single week pretending their Sloppa aint being carried by the Watanabe brand alone are the ones most view as the NPCs. Most defense I've seen for this show has been how much it relates to every other show instead of standing on its own merits. It's chock full of bad writing and many just hand wave plot contrivances because they have invested so much into the series they are unwilling to accept mediocrity being served on a platter and insist "this is a hidden gem of 2025".

I would love for someone to just casually explain how

I get you want to say this show is some piece of art or it's going to age great but the fact is half of the show was a mismanaged waste of time chasing terrible leads which logically should have been the first place many would have checked just to come up empty handed but to learn something about the environment or the people around them. This is one of those "it's about the journey not the destination" and "humanity actually deserved it because they don't care" but somehow stumbles and crawls thru both of those themes.

I get it:

Big Corpo Bad
Government Bad
Humans Bad
Environment Good

But when are we going to accept that:


This show insults the viewer's intelligence as it attempts to navigate a self imposed time limit while half ass juggling a series of backstories on our protagonist we pretend to care about only to provide sub par episodes (Except for the Cult Episode one of the few I thought was actually ok), numerous gags and side plots thrown to pad out transitions, and ham fisted last minute secret antagonists and plot foils with Russian spies and government coup/assassins to give some deeper plot.

I think what irritates me the most was being able to bet with everyone I was watching the show with, on episode 2, the blind man at the homeless camp was Skinner. This show is an absolute mess, not because of its limited runtime, but because it cannot bother to respect the viewer enough to SHOW and not TELL what is going on.

I don't want to be force fed and told Doug is a "Black Einstein"
I don't want to be spoon fed Leland's exact year absence and the estranged relationship he has with his Sister thru an unrealistic conversation.

I want the show to set up and provide payoffs that don't feel contrived or magicked into existence to make the story just work.
I want the show to work within its short episode time limit and simply give a concise and well deserved plot of chasing a man who has doomed the world.

Ya, there are people who are going to watch this show and even hate watch the show. I am one of them. I have a discord night every Saturday where 10 or so of the shows of the season are aired and 20 of the 20 viewers all have said the same thing. They are confused why people are trying to justify the show is mid and 70% of every argument devolves into invoking Cowboy Bebop as some kinda knee jerk defense or excuse.

Except you can't since, aside from maybe episode 2, everything from those early episodes has come back in some way especially in this episode.

@Marinate1016 Actually I'm having to force myself to watch this anime every episode and just dying to drop.

This show isn’t nearly as bad as a few of you are arguing, but also not “amazing”. Its average, the cinematography and animation make up for a lot of the issues but its not enough. My main issue has been the writing and the obvious plot holes that are too big to just ignore for “rule of cool”, mainly because they could so easily have been avoided…and are just so dumb. Im left leaning so i agree with most the messaging, but its presented in a very generic way. Not exactly thought provoking. Still, id say its like a 7/10… Which Im also a bit bias as I like the genre and director.

Turns out this guy actually was skinner

@Fintan i think it's 'bad' more for the fact of wasted potential, like when the dialogue grinds or the moments fall flat it irks that much more because it should be so much better with this level of talent involved. and the story's meandering hasn't been filled with much other substance, each episode feels so weirdly empty no matter what it's trying to do

that said, so much relies on how they wrap it up like, if the last episode slaps it will make up for it and if it is terrible we'll move on to the 10 or whatever heat sequel seasons we got coming in a week

@Fintan i think it's 'bad' more for the fact of wasted potential, like when the dialogue grinds or the moments fall flat it irks that much more because it should be so much better with this level of talent involved. and the story's meandering hasn't been filled with much other substance, each episode feels so weirdly empty no matter what it's trying to do

that said, so much relies on how they wrap it up like, if the last episode slaps it will make up for it and if it is terrible we'll move on to the 10 or whatever heat sequel seasons we got coming in a week

One week to go and I'm freee! There's no way this shit anime can resolve Skinner capture, Skinner motive explanation, US army raid, that assasin sideplot, delivery of antidote, and aftermath of the events in 20 minutes. I can't wait on how bad it will be

@Marinate1016 Actually I'm having to force myself to watch this anime every episode and just dying to drop.

It’s a good episode. I really felt a connection to all the characters. But I’m not sure how they’ll manage to wrap everything up next episode. There’s still a lot of stuff that needs to be explained, plus our final action sendoff with Soryu and INSCOM. And presumably some sort of epilogue? Can’t see how they’ll manage to fit all of that into a single episode.

Episode Highlights:

DJ Visionary coming back and giving Leland the heebie-jeebies.

Chris pulling a Dodgeball.

And they actually went for the homeless Skinner twist. I audibly laughed when I heard the confirmation.