terralia said: When male characters are sexualized, they tend to be in much more "normal" ways. You don't see a male version of a bikini armor or a guy whose signature outfit is incredibly uncomfortable for the sake of showing skin and appealing to fans nearly as often as you do for the female characters. Well there's this, but it would qualify as toxic masculinity, so it'd be demonized either way...  |
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terralia said:
When male characters are sexualized, they tend to be in much more "normal" ways. You don't see a male version of a bikini armor or a guy whose signature outfit is incredibly uncomfortable for the sake of showing skin and appealing to fans nearly as often as you do for the female characters.
When male characters are sexualized, they tend to be in much more "normal" ways. You don't see a male version of a bikini armor or a guy whose signature outfit is incredibly uncomfortable for the sake of showing skin and appealing to fans nearly as often as you do for the female characters.
Well there's this, but it would qualify as toxic masculinity, so it'd be demonized either way...
@JaniSIr OMG ! MASCULINE BIKINI ARMOR MY BELOVED. |
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There is no unneeded sexualisation in anime, every piece of sexualisation is absolutely necessary for the anime and for the viewers and for the fandom, FANSERVICE IS ALWAYS NEEDED.
| @tchitchouan i checked your profile and now i get it. you need help. people like you are severely sick. |
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@tchitchouan i checked your profile and now i get it. you need help. people like you are severely sick.
@dayooooon Thank you for the kind words, dear stranger. |
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@ZeroMajor12
and just because fanservice is everywhere, and always was there we cant critisize it anymore?
an example i currently have:
i started watching "mieruko-chan". Its a story about a schoolgirl who can suddenly see ghosts. And it has fanservice from episode 1. Why? The show doesnt get any better from it, and just leaves a weird taste in my mouth permantly watching those underage girls nearly naked or in underwear for no reason at all.
It really pulls me out of the story everytime it happens randomly.
im definitly not prude or anything btw. im pretty open minded, but i have a problem if everything gets sexualised without any appearend reason...I think the world would be a better place if not everyone would be perma horny and would learn to control his sexual desires..
and just because fanservice is everywhere, and always was there we cant critisize it anymore?
an example i currently have:
i started watching "mieruko-chan". Its a story about a schoolgirl who can suddenly see ghosts. And it has fanservice from episode 1. Why? The show doesnt get any better from it, and just leaves a weird taste in my mouth permantly watching those underage girls nearly naked or in underwear for no reason at all.
It really pulls me out of the story everytime it happens randomly.
im definitly not prude or anything btw. im pretty open minded, but i have a problem if everything gets sexualised without any appearend reason...I think the world would be a better place if not everyone would be perma horny and would learn to control his sexual desires..
| @Wrathberry84 well yeah, fanservice still is pretty much everywhere. It happens because most anime are typically catered towards shounen (teens or young adults), so the creators may assume that they would want young girls to be fawned at, but I get what you mean, you just don't want your time being wasted on unnecessary image when a juicy story is supposed to be happening. But not every creator understands the criteria to balance it out, so they may overdo themselves with it and such. Besides, Passione animated Ishizoku Reviewers, which is a pretty controversial one. I never liked Passione since all of their content usually involves fanservice and they pretty much overdo it than their peers. But there's a market for that, so as long as these anime keep pumping out, there will always be an audience watching them. If you truly don't want unnecessary fanservice to be here, you might as well sue companies that push the boundaries between ecchi and corn. |
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@ZeroMajor12
and just because fanservice is everywhere, and always was there we cant critisize it anymore?
an example i currently have:
i started watching "mieruko-chan". Its a story about a schoolgirl who can suddenly see ghosts. And it has fanservice from episode 1. Why? The show doesnt get any better from it, and just leaves a weird taste in my mouth permantly watching those underage girls nearly naked or in underwear for no reason at all.
It really pulls me out of the story everytime it happens randomly.
im definitly not prude or anything btw. im pretty open minded, but i have a problem if everything gets sexualised without any appearend reason...I think the world would be a better place if not everyone would be perma horny and would learn to control his sexual desires..
and just because fanservice is everywhere, and always was there we cant critisize it anymore?
an example i currently have:
i started watching "mieruko-chan". Its a story about a schoolgirl who can suddenly see ghosts. And it has fanservice from episode 1. Why? The show doesnt get any better from it, and just leaves a weird taste in my mouth permantly watching those underage girls nearly naked or in underwear for no reason at all.
It really pulls me out of the story everytime it happens randomly.
im definitly not prude or anything btw. im pretty open minded, but i have a problem if everything gets sexualised without any appearend reason...I think the world would be a better place if not everyone would be perma horny and would learn to control his sexual desires..
| @Wrathberry84 well yeah, fanservice still is pretty much everywhere. It happens because most anime are typically catered towards shounen (teens or young adults), so the creators may assume that they would want young girls to be fawned at, but I get what you mean, you just don't want your time being wasted on unnecessary images when a juicy story is supposed to be happening. But not every creator understands the criteria to balance it out, so they may overdo themselves with it and such. Besides, Passione animated Ishizoku Reviewers, which is a pretty controversial one. I never liked Passione since some of their content usually involves fanservice and they pretty much overdo it than their peers. But there's a market for that, so as long as these anime keep pumping out, there will always be an audience watching them. If you truly don't want unnecessary fanservice to be here, you might as well sue companies that push the boundaries between ecchi and corn. |
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terralia said:
When male characters are sexualized, they tend to be in much more "normal" ways. You don't see a male version of a bikini armor or a guy whose signature outfit is incredibly uncomfortable for the sake of showing skin and appealing to fans nearly as often as you do for the female characters.
When male characters are sexualized, they tend to be in much more "normal" ways. You don't see a male version of a bikini armor or a guy whose signature outfit is incredibly uncomfortable for the sake of showing skin and appealing to fans nearly as often as you do for the female characters.
Well there's this, but it would qualify as toxic masculinity, so it'd be demonized either way...
| @JaniSIr I often forget about this genre of old male hero archetype! You bring up a good point |
| And you think anyone actually cares about the "plot" of anime? The fan service is the only thing that actually matters TBH. |
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@DesuMaiden a lot of people do. Maybe not the weird pedos that watch anime to legaly see underage girls in in sexy poses...
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@ZeroMajor12
and just because fanservice is everywhere, and always was there we cant critisize it anymore?
an example i currently have:
i started watching "mieruko-chan". Its a story about a schoolgirl who can suddenly see ghosts. And it has fanservice from episode 1. Why? The show doesnt get any better from it, and just leaves a weird taste in my mouth permantly watching those underage girls nearly naked or in underwear for no reason at all.
It really pulls me out of the story everytime it happens randomly.
im definitly not prude or anything btw. im pretty open minded, but i have a problem if everything gets sexualised without any appearend reason...I think the world would be a better place if not everyone would be perma horny and would learn to control his sexual desires..
and just because fanservice is everywhere, and always was there we cant critisize it anymore?
an example i currently have:
i started watching "mieruko-chan". Its a story about a schoolgirl who can suddenly see ghosts. And it has fanservice from episode 1. Why? The show doesnt get any better from it, and just leaves a weird taste in my mouth permantly watching those underage girls nearly naked or in underwear for no reason at all.
It really pulls me out of the story everytime it happens randomly.
im definitly not prude or anything btw. im pretty open minded, but i have a problem if everything gets sexualised without any appearend reason...I think the world would be a better place if not everyone would be perma horny and would learn to control his sexual desires..
| @Wrathberry84 Have you not seen much horror outside anime? Sexuality and nudity are commonly used in horror to give you a sense of a character being vulnerable. Not needless at all. Maybe a little silly sometimes but that is part of the fun. |
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| Let's be honest the only reason we have these discussions is because anime/manga is aimed at a largely teen audience, and as a result has had teen characters sexualized. My opinion at this point on that, is that I am tired, largely don't care. I am fine with anime just keeping everything to a college setting, for sexualized content if just to kill this discussion entirely, because I don't think it would kill much (if you really need your school uniforms just have cosplay like a normal person) and people can feel better off.. Personally I don't think what anime does is worse than GOT or Euphoria, however, I get why at least some people are bothered. When it comes to the actual depiction of "sexualization"; anime, outside of hentai it is very very tame. Again that is why I think we have these topics at all, because again compared to even mediums like gaming, novels (you got to get into those hockey romance novels buddy), TV, music, and film, anime is very very tame. Tons of "ecchi" anime can't even have an offscreen sex scene. Compare the average non hentai anime, to many "sex scenes" in Western adult shows, and yeah it's not even close, since many Western adult shows, have just straight up gotten close to soft core porn. I usually don't care for fanservice, mostly because it usually doesn't go hardcore enough. I think if you are going to include it then really play up the sensuality, otherwise keep it PG-13/fade to black or clean. Again i have nothing against sex, nudity and whatever in anime or manga where it fits the work. Why do we need to ruin good storys with oversexualisation of women all the time? I mean this is all subjective. I have heard people complain about Chainsaw Man's fanservice when the fanservice in that show frankly is integral to the themes/plot of the show. Food Wars, for instance, may seem pointless, however, they had a good hentai artist, why not make use of his talents, to show off something like the enjoyment of food, which is often compared to fairly sensual emotions? This is a case by case basis, and we all have different standards for what we think is good or not. I personally hate ecchi gag comedy (Food Wars is one of the few exceptions) some people love it. Why do we need to ruin good storys with oversexualisation of women all the time? I mean i don't get your obsession with only women in this case though? If we are going to get moral here, there are about as many if not worst cases with boys/young men. Especially if we are going to extend this to literally everything, like hentai. |
BilboBaggins365Jan 7, 11:00 AM
| This is like the more tired question of this decade. Followed by the same tired statements: 'Watch porn or hentai if you want to see naked anime girls you gooner!' Sex sells dear. To the point that an anime that has only panty-shoots and feet to show would sell more than an anime like Monster. People don't watch anime necessary to be engaged in a good story. If all that people wanted was good stories, great art, and amazing music - then cheap movies, commercial art, and 2 beats pop music would not exist... nor would Tik Tok. People watch anime for entertainment most of the time... and in between they may watch some good show with a deep story - just like in between 10 semi-erotic fanfictions on Wattpad, they may read a good book too. Watching a good show consumes energy because it gets you focused and invested, which is tiring. People need shows where they just can disconnect, and enjoy cheap storytelling, without putting much thought into it. Ecchi anime are targeting guys, and in particular young guys and teens - both categories of whom are horny. So sexualized girls and ecchi moments, are a cheap and good way to sell a story to this audience. Fairy Tail for example, became very ecchi, once Mashima ran out of ideas, and the quality of the story dropped. And it worked. Fairy Tail kept running for many years after and even got a sequel, on just bikinis, pulverized clothes and curvy shapes. Asking why is there a panty shoot or something sexual in a story that is not about sex, is like asking why is there are funny moments in an action anime about fights and violence. Is a redundant question. Its there because the author put it there, to change the tone of the story, or serve as comedy. Most panty shots and ecchi moments in non-ecchi anime are essentially visual dirty jokes, nothing more. You have them, because the target audience enjoys them. You also make a bad statement that is full of entitlement. Who are you to decide where sexualization is needed and where not? Is up to the author to make that decision. In regard to 2.5D Seduction... the mere title makes it quite clear, that this story exists just because the mangaka wanted to draw hot girls doing cosplay, not because they had a story to tell. 'Why do you need to have an ecchi in an anime about girls doing cosplay?' Well, why not? Is called 2.5D Seduction, not Cute Girls Cosplay Club - and the whole damn thing is built for fanservice. There are plenty of shows and manga about Slice of Life Cosplay, Romance, the technicality of cosplay, and fashion... the author identified a niche and made this one. That's how it works. 'Watch hentai if you want to see naked anime girls, I simply don't get it.' Nah... This is stupid, you see? It's like... Are you like one of those people who think that a dirty joke is something you just say to someone in the bedroom during sex? It's like someone asks you to watch John Wick, and you answer: 'Why don't you watch war videos from Ukraine if you want to see people getting shoot? - What? You want to watch a slasher movie? Why not watch cartel executions if you want to see gore!' Setting aside the fact that is way more exciting to see a naked girl in a show that is not porn, than in porn, people don't watch ecchi anime to jerk off. It's humor, it's entertainment. Is sexploitation. Those anime provide ridiculous situations that are fun to see and enjoy. Going to a bar, meeting a woman, and having a one-night stand is realistic... which is not fun. Having a girl fall of the stairs and land with her ass on boobs on your face, it's fun, because is ridiculous and unrealistic. Girls are sexualized in anime because those anime target young men, the same way romance anime, have a male character that is handsome and mysterious, or a bad boy, to give in the fantasy of young girls about what the perfect guy is, rather than having a male protagonist who is average looking, career driven, and focused on owning a house before 35 and steady job, so he can raise a family. |
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@Lawgun
I literally say in the very next sentence that male characters in shoujo are sexualized.
Again, this thread is specifically about sexualization in genres where it's not expected, bringing up yaoi isn't relevant. I'm talking about dudes who expect sexualization of women in genres where that isn't the point at all.
You're arguing in bad faith and honestly I don't have the patience to do this for free anymore.
Lawgun said:
Same goes every time for male characters in romantic shoujo and josei, male characters there are more basic than most typical tsundere or kudere in shoujo.
OP was talking about genres where sexualization isn't expected, so that's what I'm talking about here too. Male characters being eye candy in romance anime is irrelevant because that's what the expectation is with that type of anime, the same way OP (or me) don't mention sexualization of women in ecchi anime as a problem because that's the expectation.Same goes every time for male characters in romantic shoujo and josei, male characters there are more basic than most typical tsundere or kudere in shoujo.
Lawgun said:
Cool story, are you intently support double standards here? It's like saying "b-but social norm is all about talking all day about objectification and people in twitter say that it's never the case opposite situation because you know, females can't objectify males because... because I say so! And twitter says the same!".
Cool story, are you intently support double standards here? It's like saying "b-but social norm is all about talking all day about objectification and people in twitter say that it's never the case opposite situation because you know, females can't objectify males because... because I say so! And twitter says the same!".
I literally say in the very next sentence that male characters in shoujo are sexualized.
Lawgun said:
Just imagine believing in what some females say when there exists yaoi made just for them, where males have obscene sex scenes while one of them is princess-like feminine dude in a pair with a traditional prince-like macho-man.
.Just imagine believing in what some females say when there exists yaoi made just for them, where males have obscene sex scenes while one of them is princess-like feminine dude in a pair with a traditional prince-like macho-man.
Again, this thread is specifically about sexualization in genres where it's not expected, bringing up yaoi isn't relevant. I'm talking about dudes who expect sexualization of women in genres where that isn't the point at all.
You're arguing in bad faith and honestly I don't have the patience to do this for free anymore.
terralia said: OP was talking about genres where sexualization isn't expected It's not like fanservice is the Spanish inquisition. Anime that don't have fanservice are the weird one outs. |
| @terralia I also brought up cross dressing in that involves the person being ultra covered. Like cosplay can do. terralia said: I suppose that's just due to difference in demographics. Yes. And almost nobody consumes woman demographics. Even the people who are in the demographics? Say instead of Fairy tail, we talked about how same thing occurs in Fruits Basket. Girls/Guys are gorgeous [v] Protagonist activate the Lucky Sukebe with the opposite sex harem members[v] Minor School aged Guys get undressed and naked in public [v] They are forced to wear weird clothes that get them discomfortable [v] It rarely places a character of the other sex for fanservice [v] It has a every male bath scene [v] (Actually, not everyone, just the main 5 or 6 people) It has a beach episode [v] Now, lets go to shaming, for openly liking these things woman are called fujoshi, just like people in this forum are degens. So I can say it is un needed, but just like in Fairy Tail and To Love Ru there are plot excuses that makes it core to the anime since the first episode/manga chapter. On the topic. If there is one person who dresses properly but has really good proportions, or if there is one person who is dressed very provocatively, that character is needed. Is that show sexualized? Do you question if that character clothes can be changed? Does it matter to you that a character you like is going to be sexualized by others? How exactly do you feel discomfortable seeing that character? Do you quit the show there? Now for all the degens, the same but for scenes with a sexualized character of your same sex? |
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@Lawgun
I literally say in the very next sentence that male characters in shoujo are sexualized.
Again, this thread is specifically about sexualization in genres where it's not expected, bringing up yaoi isn't relevant. I'm talking about dudes who expect sexualization of women in genres where that isn't the point at all.
You're arguing in bad faith and honestly I don't have the patience to do this for free anymore.
Lawgun said:
Same goes every time for male characters in romantic shoujo and josei, male characters there are more basic than most typical tsundere or kudere in shoujo.
OP was talking about genres where sexualization isn't expected, so that's what I'm talking about here too. Male characters being eye candy in romance anime is irrelevant because that's what the expectation is with that type of anime, the same way OP (or me) don't mention sexualization of women in ecchi anime as a problem because that's the expectation.Same goes every time for male characters in romantic shoujo and josei, male characters there are more basic than most typical tsundere or kudere in shoujo.
Lawgun said:
Cool story, are you intently support double standards here? It's like saying "b-but social norm is all about talking all day about objectification and people in twitter say that it's never the case opposite situation because you know, females can't objectify males because... because I say so! And twitter says the same!".
Cool story, are you intently support double standards here? It's like saying "b-but social norm is all about talking all day about objectification and people in twitter say that it's never the case opposite situation because you know, females can't objectify males because... because I say so! And twitter says the same!".
I literally say in the very next sentence that male characters in shoujo are sexualized.
Lawgun said:
Just imagine believing in what some females say when there exists yaoi made just for them, where males have obscene sex scenes while one of them is princess-like feminine dude in a pair with a traditional prince-like macho-man.
.Just imagine believing in what some females say when there exists yaoi made just for them, where males have obscene sex scenes while one of them is princess-like feminine dude in a pair with a traditional prince-like macho-man.
Again, this thread is specifically about sexualization in genres where it's not expected, bringing up yaoi isn't relevant. I'm talking about dudes who expect sexualization of women in genres where that isn't the point at all.
You're arguing in bad faith and honestly I don't have the patience to do this for free anymore.
terralia said: OP was talking about genres where sexualization isn't expected There are no such genres. terralia said: Male characters being eye candy in romance anime is irrelevant because that's what the expectation Who cares about personal expectations of some tourists? terralia said: Again, this thread is specifically about sexualization in genres where it's not expected And once again, not expected by whom exactly? There are even people which wouldn't expect to see sexual scenes in 'CARTOONS'. What kind of measure do you use? Your personal taste? In anime made for male audience? Don't you see a problem here? terralia said: bringing up yaoi isn't relevant People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You say mentioning of yaoi isn't relevant and I say it's a great example of bizarre female sexual interest in anime, I could say that sexual scenes shouldn't be there but only light romantics from my personal standpoint just like you do about genres 'which shouldn't have sexualization of females' just because YOU personally think it's not relevant when watching anime obviously made for mostly male audience. terralia said: You're arguing in bad faith and honestly I don't have the patience to do this for free anymore. If you can't endure when someone point at your delusions then you shouldn't even start discussion. Your wishes and personal prejudice means nothing in a big picture. |
LawgunJan 7, 1:16 PM
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@Lawgun
funny how your whole argument is: "males want sex of school girls, so its expected in every show targeted at males"
do you really think that males are monkeys? i mean, some of them seem to be... but i know a lot of males that dont want sexy school girls in in too short skirts in in lewd positions in every anime they watch.
funny how your whole argument is: "males want sex of school girls, so its expected in every show targeted at males"
do you really think that males are monkeys? i mean, some of them seem to be... but i know a lot of males that dont want sexy school girls in in too short skirts in in lewd positions in every anime they watch.
Wrathberry84 said: funny how your whole argument is: "males want sex of school girls, so its expected in every show targeted at males" is it your second (or even maybe tenth fake account) just to make a fuss by making silly assumptions from nowhere? How many everyday anime series do you know about actual sex? About sex between schoolers? Not much, eh? You screwed up in your pathetic attempt to switch the subject. Wrathberry84 said: do you really think that males are monkeys? Some of them clearly are but not from a standpoint you are pushing worthlessly. Wrathberry84 said: i know a lot of males that dont want sexy school girls in in too short skirts in in lewd positions in every anime they watch Then why do they watch anime about sexy school girls in short skirts in a first place? Just to whine hypocritically but still keep watching? Pathetic, indeed. It's not so difficult to know what about anime is due tags, screenshots and overall visual style to avoid things you don't like from visual and expressive standpoints. |
| There's tons of things included that do nothing for the story in an anime, think about why you feel the need to single out "sexualization". |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
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@LostSpectre because it has the biggest impact on the perception of the work.
| @Wrathberry84 That just tells me more about people's repressed/ignorant views on sexuality than anything else of note. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| @kronopy "In regard to 2.5D Seduction... the mere title makes it quite clear, that this story exists just because the mangaka wanted to draw hot girls doing cosplay, not because they had a story to tell. 'Why do you need to have an ecchi in an anime about girls doing cosplay?' Well, why not? Is called 2.5D Seduction, not Cute Girls Cosplay Club - and the whole damn thing is built for fanservice. There are plenty of shows and manga about Slice of Life Cosplay, Romance, the technicality of cosplay, and fashion... the author identified a niche and made this one. That's how it works" Actually, this is a bad example because the author quickly shifted from hardcore ecchi into a story about cosplay and friendship. lol |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
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@LostSpectre
could you give me some examples of other "useless things" in animes. besides sexualisation of mostly school girls?
im kinda not sure how to respond to you, without knowing what you are really talking about.
i kinda think its funny, that sexualisation of minor school girls even if animated is weird, is a "repressed" view on sexuality for you xD
i guess lusting for minors is very progressiv then, sorry didnt know that
could you give me some examples of other "useless things" in animes. besides sexualisation of mostly school girls?
im kinda not sure how to respond to you, without knowing what you are really talking about.
i kinda think its funny, that sexualisation of minor school girls even if animated is weird, is a "repressed" view on sexuality for you xD
i guess lusting for minors is very progressiv then, sorry didnt know that
| @Wrathberry84 Ah, so you're one of those types. Disappointing, but I can't say I'm even a little surprised. Examples? Yeah, because most of the LN adaptations today are trying to tell a gripping/mature story that's not propped up by tropes/clichés. We're not going to comment on your obsession with the age of cartoon characters, because I might as well be talking to a complete lunatic. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
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| How can you avoid such sexual content? Of course, the non sexual content is hardly any less immoral. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
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@BilboBaggins365
i just dont get how to quote like i want to in this foroum so i try it like this:
to your second paragraph:
yes, western series and movies have way more real sex, but i really wouldnt even care if anime characters would have more sex.
what i find way more disgusting is the cheap "ecchi".
of course in "greys anatomy" people have way more sex than in even ecchi anime. But in greys anatomy not every female character is constantly shown n the most "sexy" way imaginable. you dont have camera angles from the floor so you can see half their asscheeks and so on.
i know that its a different target demographic, but i still dont think it is a great way to teach kids and young males a good way to treat women. there are more than enough shows that target younger boys, that work with basicaly no fanservice at all. or should i call them there are a lot actualy good shows, who dont need those cheap "sex" in them to work.
so stop telling me that those shows need to have ecchi or lewd shots of girls in them to work. thats just bs, because a lot of shows targeting the same audience work completly without it.
and sorry, but i watched a lot of different anime and i never saw fanservice of boys. especialy not young boys.
i just dont get how to quote like i want to in this foroum so i try it like this:
to your second paragraph:
yes, western series and movies have way more real sex, but i really wouldnt even care if anime characters would have more sex.
what i find way more disgusting is the cheap "ecchi".
of course in "greys anatomy" people have way more sex than in even ecchi anime. But in greys anatomy not every female character is constantly shown n the most "sexy" way imaginable. you dont have camera angles from the floor so you can see half their asscheeks and so on.
i know that its a different target demographic, but i still dont think it is a great way to teach kids and young males a good way to treat women. there are more than enough shows that target younger boys, that work with basicaly no fanservice at all. or should i call them there are a lot actualy good shows, who dont need those cheap "sex" in them to work.
so stop telling me that those shows need to have ecchi or lewd shots of girls in them to work. thats just bs, because a lot of shows targeting the same audience work completly without it.
and sorry, but i watched a lot of different anime and i never saw fanservice of boys. especialy not young boys.
| Wrathberry84 said: i just dont get how to quote like i want to in this foroum so i try it like this: Highlight the text you want to respond to and a little indicator that says quote reply should come up. You can also just insert a quote, and then @ the user. Wrathberry84 said: what i find way more disgusting is the cheap "ecchi". I mean sure I don't like it either. TBH though, I think the amount of cheap sexual jokes isn't as common as it used to be, though pure sexualization has probably increased. Shows like Reviewers and Gushing are hitting much higher sexualization levels than an ecchi OVA, from the 90s that had some nudity in it. Wrathberry84 said: But in greys anatomy not every female character is constantly shown n the most "sexy" way imaginable. you dont have camera angles from the floor so you can see half their asscheeks and so on. I mean context/tone is relevant, plus you are comparing a live action show to an animated show. One is going to more naturally grounded. IDK if there is a problem with a character that just exudes sex appeal. Again, it depends on context and yeah for a medical show (sorry haven't seen Grey's Anatomy) that would fly more in the face of what they are going for, versus something weird/wacky like KLK. Wrathberry84 said: i know that its a different target demographic, but i still dont think it is a great way to teach kids and young males a good way to treat women. there are more than enough shows that target younger boys, that work with basicaly no fanservice at all. or should i call them there are a lot actualy good shows, who dont need those cheap "sex" in them to work. I mean I think if media is being used to parent teens, then that is a failing of that particular family. Secondly, even in most ecchi comedies, the perv is usually loathed. Now sure, they probably should go to prison, rather than just getting beat up. Plus, while I had watched ecchi anime, at a young age, as stated previously, ecchi can be quite hardcore these days and shouldn't be seen by younger impressionable audiences. Frankly most ecchi, always felt like it was aimed at an older teen market, at the youngest. "Need" is also a very strong word to use in the context of fiction. You absolutely can use fanservice winks to the audience, or even porn to make a narrative or social point, if that is what creates meaning in art. It's just rarer because you know, most people are just looking for the sensuality and could care less what it's trying to say. Wrathberry84 said: so stop telling me that those shows need to have ecchi or lewd shots of girls in them to work. thats just bs, because a lot of shows targeting the same audience work completly without it. What shows are we talking about? The ones I brought up, yeah like have you seen Chainsaw Man? Thematically it wants to look at abusive, controlling relationships and the, often unfilled desires of many young people today, and the emotions that come from pursuing, fairly basic life goals. Saying that you can totally cover that theme, without at least having some degree of sensuality could only be done by side stepping one of the bigger things, people around Denji's age are dealing with (loneliness and a lack of intimacy). Food Wars, like sure you could do without it, however, the artist is good at drawing erotic scenes and again would the food reaction scenes be as memorable? I wouldn't say so. It's very series dependent and just because a lot of anime screws up in how they use sensuality, in boring gags, doesn't mean quick fanservice winks can't have a good plot purpose. They absolutely can. Wrathberry84 said: and sorry, but i watched a lot of different anime and i never saw fanservice of boys. especialy not young boys. I mean if you want more shows targeted to women it's there like Yuri on Ice. Plus again look at what the most popular hentai on MAL is (TBF it's probably partially just trolling ratings/memes). |
BilboBaggins365Jan 7, 7:38 PM
Wrathberry84 said: Im more talking about shows like mieruko-chan (mainly the first episodes) where there is no story that has anything to do with sexuality, but we still need to see girls in underwear, shots from the ground, girls falling down into lewd positions... You know all the typical ecchi tropes. Mieruko-chan didn't have any fanservice, that I can remember. Can you refresh my memory with some pictures? Also, here's a quiz for everyone that likes to answer: How many of the anime shown here are fanservice anime? It's a video cutting together jiggling breasts from the 1990s and early 2000s, featuring 300+ different anime and including children's shows like Pocket Monsters. I'm not really used to this new era of prude anime fans, but about 20 years ago basically every anime either had "ecchi tropes" or was catering to women or gay men. |
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@JoeChip Yeah...Because no one has ever had sex and still had an aversion to seeing nudity in media. I suppose any ultra religious/conservative person with kids was knocked up the same way their favorite carpenter's mom was.
| @FanofAction Can't detect sarcasm when you see one huh? Well I don't expect much fron a smartss and conceited zoomer ho şthniks he is smarter than he actually is. |
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@RobertBobert sex negative feminism and constant seething about female character appearances is NOT coming from the anti porn crowd. It's just people mad that a male hobby caters to men and who keep getting stunlocked by watching anime which have the main demographic of men.
| @Dienen You'd be surprised how many women who love male fanservice are still extremely conservative when it comes to pornography and seem frozen in Victorian times. It often intersects with hatred of the pandering of male media to men, but not always. |
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why do you guys even respond to these people beyond telling to go find a new hobby if they don't like it? one full paragraph is more than they deserve. multiple pages of multi-paragraph posts debating this and that is giving them WAY more they're owed. just tell them to fuck off, and then use all the time you saved to admire some anime titties instead.
| @ItsXolo IDK, because it's a discussion forum? If you told everyone you disagreed with, or didn't entirely agree with (because i do agree with the poster on some points and disagree on others) to fuck off, there wouldn't be much discussion. Just people hugging each other in an echo chamber. That gets boring fast. |
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