Make Heroine ga Oosugiru! Episode 11 Discussion

@perseii I suggest rewatching the ending parts of the previous episode, she still had doubts in her face.
She knew that they were there for her but she felt that they would leave her sooner or later, like the senpais, in fact Nukumizu talks about the chance of it happening at the end of this episode

@perseii the trigger for her stubbornly wanting to work alone was because nukumizu (the person she sees a friend in) made her feel useless during the scene at the park when she was really giving it her all. she knows she has support for some things and that's why she was trying to practice with him but imagine how useless you must feel if you're just the president in name, but everyone around you does everything. she can be grateful of her senpais and still feel afraid of them leaving. the texting scene where she says she has to do everything all alone is a bit far-fetched but i feel like she just got too emotional at that point and said that, but everything else made enough sense and feels human.

No, I agree that young highschoolers are prone to doing young stuff.

It's just that, to me, that particular incident feels like it's coming out of the blue from Nukumizu.

If it was someone else, I wouldn't have batted an eye, but it feels weird to be him. He has demonstrated quite a bit of emotional maturity in previous episodes, especially when it comes to others, so that's why it felt a bit off to me.

I got to be honest here, and I know I’ll get a lot of hate from people here but Komari was in the wrong here. She has a responsibility as a club president to do, Nukumizu knows she wasnt cut out for it, Komari has her strengths, sadly speaking infront of a crowd aint it, think about it, if she couldnt even say it properly to one person that she’s already close to, how in the f is she gonna do it to a bunch of strangers? And now because she couldnt deal with that fact, she fumbled and wasted everyones time in the meeting and put their club at risk for not being able to do her job which is reporting their club activity. Nukumizu was being realistic and logical the whole time, Komari’s at fault for wanting to do everything by herself. Whats worst is she made a scene and threw a bottle of water at Nukumizu. I know people think this is Komari’s problem and is something personal to her but it isnt, there are other people besides her in the club, and there’s a job that needs to be done. Nukumizu’s a good guy, I swear if I were in his shoes I would have left Komari to self destruct then and there while thinking “I told you so” or “serves you right btch”
On a positive note Im glad Yanami was being a bro to Nukumizu from the start, she was the only saving factor this ep.

@Kodreyu Actually went back and watched the last conversation between Nukumizu and Komari in Episode 10. I don't think she had "doubts in her face," exactly. But I noticed that Komari didn't specifically talk about her need to do things alone, just her lingering feelings for Tamaki.

Maybe she wasn't feeling as confident about things as I thought? Episode 11 still feels a little awkward to me. I thought it was clear throughout the arc that she realized she could count on people, and that she may be thinking about moving on. But here, it's as if she was ignoring what she was slowly starting to realize...

Yeah, it was strange to see Komari struggle like this again, after the conclusion to her "arc" that felt pretty final in the last episode.

I think the issue this time around was that there are still some things that she should handle by herself no matter what, even if she may get some help from time to time, like she did during the cultural festival.

She was extremely stubborn about it, though, which was the weirdest part. Shouldn't she be at least a little bit open to the idea of delegating the public speaking??

Why? I have a feeling you are like those people from the student council who'd put unnecessary pressure on an introvert with social anxiety. Komari is a very real character as in she represents a lot of people who have that problem. And that is exasperated by folks like the student council who had no compassion/patience.

@Blackwolf1261 best girl Komari does not care of your sour bitching too!

@Blackwolf1261 She did grow though, the resolution of the previous episode still makes sense, the point of the episode is that she tried to be the club president despite NOT wanting to, she just wants a place to belong, so she tried to preserve it despite her fears.
She learned to trust others in the previous episode and in this one she learned that they would not leave, Nukumizu did the right thing.

Actually not he did the same thing when he confronted Hakamada for the sake of Yanami.
Again when he ran after Yakshio after she accidentally confessed.

He had these sort of moments throughout where he breaks his "side" character role and jumps into action. He even tells it's unnatural for him.

@Kodreyu She learned in the festival ark to relay on others and ask for help, a trait she COMPLETLY lost again when mc gave an open hand to perhaps help somehow. Sure he could have done it better, but the reason I think she is bitching is bc that she just immediately lashes even though HE CLEARLY carried the festival by finding people who could help and organizing everything. The entire festival ark gone up to waste bc she just went back to herself before that ark... waste of time and thusly an annoying character.

Also I was bit angry when I wrote that so got a bit to heated.

@-Stray Komari was in the wrong there. But she had taken a responsibility and she can't simply abandon it. Nukumizu actually made things worse which made her more stubborn. What Nukumizu did what also out of line and her reaction was very natural.
But that's not excuse to dogpile on her when she's down. Both of them made bad calls. It just shows how imperfect they are and how they grown.

@WaterMage
I disagree, Nukumizu was being realistic, Komari couldnt even introduce herself to him, how in the world will she be able to do it infront of a bunch of strangers let alone read the whole club activity? Its just not possible in the amount of remaining time for them to prepare, not saying she should abandon it, she should split the work like how they did in the previous episode, but Komari was being stubborn so instead the end result became her making an embarrassment of herself. Her reaction to Nuku doing the job she couldnt by spilling water at him is NOT natural at all, you dont treat people that are only wanting to be there for you as shit, and I hate how she didnt apologize for that.
I dont know maybe Im the weird one but this is my stance on the matter, you cant and shouldnt shoulder everything by yourself, its ok to have others be there for you, thats how we grow and make connections with people.

i will just say that i think a lot of people here are missing the point slightly. Its not about who is right here in this situation, komari or nukumizu. Its about how both of them are both correct and wrong and how dealing with a situation like this is fucking hard {the fact that there is even a huge discussion here about who is right shows that exact difficulty and how people think in different ways}. the reason i love this episode so much is exactly that moral greyness. Sure komari needs to rely on other people and grow more, so she was obviously right about that, but doing everything herself literally contradicts the whole point as she basically just pushes everyone way. She was just focusing on the wrong thing for her to grow as a person. On the opposite side nukumizu just wants to help, but going into the meeting like that is obviously not a great way to do it either. He knows what the problem with komari is, and he obviously knows that going in like that will make her hate him in the moment, especially after he had just apologized in the hallway. Its good intentions, but to say that komari getting mad at him isnt a natural thing and that nukumizu didnt expect that exact negative response from her is insane to me. People arent perfect and social dilemmas arent black and white. thats the exact point of the whole entire episode.

@-Stray Komari was stubborn and rejected Nukumizu throughout she was 100% in wrong. She had been given a responsibility by two people she trusts so she didn't want to let that go and didn't want share with him. Although she wasn't able to do her job and she still buckled under pressure.
But you have to understand her pov. She was in a meeting as President then Nukumizu came said no she wasn't he was. It complete disrespect to her. How would you react? I don't think it's very abnormal.
She did accepted her fault and accepted Nukumizu as President after their talk.
Nukumizu failed to understand her previously.

i will just say that i think a lot of people here are missing the point slightly. Its not about who is right here in this situation, komari or nukumizu. Its about how both of them are both correct and wrong and how dealing with a situation like this is fucking hard {the fact that there is even a huge discussion here about who is right shows that exact difficulty and how people think in different ways}. the reason i love this episode so much is exactly that moral greyness. Sure komari needs to rely on other people and grow more, so she was obviously right about that, but doing everything herself literally contradicts the whole point as she basically just pushes everyone way. She was just focusing on the wrong thing for her to grow as a person. On the opposite side nukumizu just wants to help, but going into the meeting like that is obviously not a great way to do it either. He knows what the problem with komari is, and he obviously knows that going in like that will make her hate him in the moment, especially after he had just apologized in the hallway. Its good intentions, but to say that komari getting mad at him isnt a natural thing and that nukumizu didnt expect that exact negative response from her is insane to me. People arent perfect and social dilemmas arent black and white. thats the exact point of the whole entire episode.

Last episode really made me like Komari a lot, but this one made her look like a total derp.

Of course I understand what this episode tried to convey, why was she trying so hard to change and become the true president of the club, but Nukumizu just wanted to help her, he told her multiple times to let him accompany her and speak some stuff, he never told she to back off completely, to not go to the assembly, to not be the president anymore (only to talk it over with the others), I think she made a big ass drama over nothing. The crazy part was that she made Nuku feel so bad to try and help, yet in the moment of truth she still wasn't able to do shit by herself.

Also I want to point out that Komari said she never wanted to be the president, so Nukumizu decided to take the role just to help her, not because he wanted to be, so this means that due to Komari's selfishness (and cowardnes) now our boi has to do and be something he never really wanted to, that sucks so hard.

For me, the only thing this episode accomplished was establishing even more that Anna is whitout a doubt the best girl here, and should end up as Nukumizu's girlfriend, they do such a good team it's insane, the moments of just them both talking and doing stuff together are truly the peak of this show.

Btw, I loved them walking around the zoo, it was like seeing a kid (Komari) with her parents (Nuku and Anna), really nice uwu


I loved that little scene of them so fkng much lol