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Softhenic03 said: I mean I don’t know what kind of sources the author was taking into reference when he started writing this thing.. whenever he did, but I really hope those articles emphasizing the fact that “SEX CAN CURE DEPRESSION OR IT CAN HEAL PEOPLE, PHYSICALLY OR MENTALLY”, weren’t one of those. I don’t want to blame those articles after all. As I mean, where or when in the world has it been stated that to mourn or get over the deaths of your loved ones, the first thing you should do is go and have sex????? Lmaooo, of 1000 ways to convince someone that someone else is suffering, we went down the brazzers way? Lol. Roxy and her reasons aside, I kind of really don’t agree with her way of “helping” here. Anyway, curing your mother or feeling low after your father’s death can go to hell, let’s settle up the marriage thing first… second one:) Yup, what was the author thinking. Drugs and alcohol should've been the go-to solution to these kinds of situations, right? What has close physical contact with a person with deep emotional connections ever done to help relieve a person's inner tribulations? Just stop. Having someone to talk to and offer emotional support at an intimate level is probably the best thing life could ever offer someone going through life. It's unfortunate that most of you would probably never experience this, but I can testify firsthand that when things go shitty out there, that brings you down and makes you feel like there's no way out but quit in life. It's a blessing that there's someone out there to support you physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. |
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| I can imagine why this episode being one of the more controversial ones, but it was a gripping one, as well as being tense considering what has happened previously. Roxy doing the deed with Rudeus did catch me by surprise, although given the circumstances, it's understandable as to why she would help him in that way since she loves him. Morally, it wasn't the right thing to do, but doing something to help him during his time of despair is better than doing nothing at all. Still, I did like seeing Roxy's adorable blushes and reactions whenever she looked at Rudeus, as well as talking to him. She still has that innocent look on her, despite what she did earlier. The talk with Elinalise once the group got back to Sharia was interesting, as it opens up the possibility of Rudeus being able to marry Roxy while still staying married to Sylphie, which Rudeus is keen to go down that route since he loves both of them a lot. Roxy would love that as well, but only if Sylphie is okay with it. The final episode is going to be filled with many emotions, from sadness to happiness, but hopefully a way that wraps up this second season on a satisfying note. |
| I was wondering how they handle this situation wilh Roxy being with Rudeus, and I have to say that it was done in respectful and loving manner. I am glad they didn't show anything, it wasn't about that, it was about Roxy comforting Rudeus. What Roxy did, she did because she loves Rudeus, and she wanted to help him recover. While Rudeus, knowing that he also loves Roxy and feeling bad for Roxy about having to say it, after the initial situation, decides to remain faithful to his wife. I am glad that they had Elinalise, who is not believer in Millis and is accustomed to having many lovers, to break the ice and address the subject of marriage to Roxy, because she cares about both Rudeus and Roxy, knowing that they love each other, and she couldn't stand seeing Roxy suffer so much when she wants to be there for Rudeus. Her confidence in Rudeus's love and getting him to finally take hold of the situation and ask Roxy to marry him was well written. Although a little awkward and clumsy, I actually like how Rudeus asked Roxy to be his wife, in a way it was kind of cute. Seeing Roxy's realization and happiness was also cute, but I like how she said, "Ask me again, after you get your's wife's approval". Over all, this is one of the best episodes of this season. |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
| Fuck Rudy, fuck this episode, and fuck the author for writing a shitty self insert fantasy. |
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V1P3R0P said: this episode just flew!! I wish it lasted a little more longer. (That's what she said xD). Seriously, Rudeus' face at the beginning. It just shows how much more depressed he was compared to after the incident with Eris and Sara. He must have not eaten for days, if he has got that kind of a face.  Roxy trying to cheer him up in her own way, but that only made the situation worse. So, she decided to sleep with him. I agree thats not the best decision, but seems like it cheered him up and he finally realizes his feelings for her. They both reciprocate their feelings with each other and come to an agreement on that proposal. Also, feel sad about Zenith's state. She looks like a breathing statue. I'm not even sure how Lillia is coping with her grief. But she sure is a strong willed woman.  This episode was an emotional roller-coaster. I cant even imagine how the next episode will play, when Norn and Aisha learns about Paul's death and Zenith's current state if he hasnt eaten for days, why does he still got that dirty shirt on with the blood and all xd |
| Man, this episode was fucking craaazyyy. Bro they practicing polygamy in this. Dude Rudeus and Roxy fucking banged |
| So im not really pleased with the cut outs as to why she got there (her big chat with Elinalise) and with the Little white lie that was the main push for the proposal as well (also told by Elinalise) so gonna either need to have that happen in 12 or need a rewrite of the source mat. |
| Waited years for this. Finally, a harem anime that's at least well written and thought out. People who get upset at the possibility of polygamy happening in this fantasy story probably need to go watch something else. Like a good christian anime. Glad he finally got that Roxussy |
| This episode genuinely made me crying for the first time in a few years. I don't know either what should I do if the people I cared the most are eventually fleeting away from me (or maybe the opposite). Kudos to the writer, I believe reading the light novel would be much sadder. |
| Gotta be one of it not the best episodes of Mushoku Tensei lets frickin gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo DUAL WIEEEEEELLD!!!!!!! |
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| Wow, no opening eh? I liked the episode, don't get me wrong, but right now I'm kinda salty the director and/or screenwriter magnificently skipped how Roxy made her decision to make a move on Rudeus to push him out of the state he was, along another details that enriched the story, but I guess since they rushed it out and removed all that content is to give more time to the discussion on next episode (or I hope so). |
| No tomo malas decisiones, solo me gusta apoyar causas perdidas. Disfruté Mayoiga, Ou-sama Game, Evil or Live, Mirai Nikki, Big Order, Arifureta, Ex-Arm, Tesla Note, Shuumatsu no Harem y Platinum End nope les falle con esa, lo siento pero todos tenemos nuestros límites. Así de jodido es mi gusto en anime, ¡Y estoy pinche orgulloso de ello!  |
Reply to Lastnumb3r
wow. roxy raped rudeus. and admitted that she took advantage of him. (she really did) then she felt bad, not about raping him but that he won't take her as a wife even though he's an exact representation of her wet dreams. how dares he?
she made a family man cheat on his wife, with the full knowledge of what she's doing.
rudeus gets shit for just looking at females. but it's okay when roxy manipulates and takes advantage of a broken man. double standards much?
the nerve of this show and fanbase. imagine the opposite happening the forums would burn.
she made a family man cheat on his wife, with the full knowledge of what she's doing.
rudeus gets shit for just looking at females. but it's okay when roxy manipulates and takes advantage of a broken man. double standards much?
the nerve of this show and fanbase. imagine the opposite happening the forums would burn.
@nyugvo6 exactly my thoughts.
Guys just ffs let's flip the roles and imagine this:
- Roxy is completely devastated after losing her parents, Rudeus comes to cheer her up but not knowing what to do decides to exploit her mental state to bang her out of love (knowing she's married).
- Some day after he makes a cute face then bursts into tears knowing he can't have her but after some convincing from Elinalise, Roxy decides to marry him out of pity cause how could she leave him being soooo sad and lonely.
This is a completely fucking ridiculous scenario, some absolute degenerate behavior from the characters. It's unacceptable, Rudy even vowed faithfulness to Sylph but fuck who cares Roxy is cute so whatever.
After the entire season of wholesome romance with Sylphiette I feel like ripping my eyes out. Something just broke inside me from watching this and that's an achievement in itself. Whoever made this congrats I lost... I need to stop taking this shitty life so seriously.
| @Lastnumb3r @nyugvo6 I wish people would stop assuming, reading into situations, and forcing their own personal moral values that exist today on stories where their morality is different than theirs. Even in past human history, people acted in many different ways that today would be considered immoral / wrong to people, but back then it was considered the norm, such as having multiple spouses, which was not seen as immoral or wrong in anyway in the historical past. In fact, in some past historical nations, it was seen as a sign of strength for a man or woman to have multiple spouses or partners. As a first point, we already saw Sylphie's feelings and thoughts on this issue in previous episodes. Sylphie knew of their family situation, with Paul having two wives, she knew full well how Rudeus was, she might have even known about the situation with Eris. She also considered that one day Rudeus may want to take another wife, although she wanted Rudeus to herself, she was wiling to live with such a situation if it came to that, because she loved Rudeus. Also, if they got back, and Sylphie heard about the situation, she would have understood and even thanked Roxy for helping Rudeus, that's just the type of mature woman she is. As as second point, Roxy did not rape anyone. Rudeus was not forced, unconscious, under the influence, or unaware of what was going on. Even at such a low point, Rudeus could have stopped Roxy, but he let it happen, because he also loved Roxy, he even says "I love Roxy just as much as I love Sylphie". Roxy loved Rudeus, she knew he was married and expecting a child, and she understood what she was doing, but seeing Rudeus in such a state, she honestly wanted to help snap Rudeus out of the extreme dispair and depression that he was in, because he would have never come out of that room, and that's exactly what happened, it helped to clear Rudeus' mind, so he could start to face life again. The next day, Rudeus knew full well what happened, that he allowed it to happen, and he took full responsibility for this situation, not blaming Roxy at all. Because Rudeus understood that what Roxy did, was done out of sincere love for him, not out of lust or selfish ambition. Roxy genuinely wanted to be there for Rudeus when he was at his lowest point, to help him recover, as well as to share the terrible burden and grief of losing his father, who Roxy also cared about, and his mother forgetting her own child's existence, which all crushed Rudeus' heart, mind, and spirit, leaving him an empty shell of himself. Roxy was not trying to get in the way of his marriage, she is not a "home recker", she was there as long as Rudeus needed her on the trip back. She said as much, "I will be your left side, someone for you to lean on in your sorrow and grief, during this trip back". But when Rudeus, out of love and respect for his wife Sylphie, asked Roxy to stop acting as she was, Roxy did not protest or fight, she out of love and respect for Rudeus, held herself back, which was really hard for both of them, because they sincerely loved each other, and they were both suffering because they wanted to comfort one another. We also hear Rudeus' thoughts about the situation. He felt terrible for what he did, feeling like he broke his promise to be loyal to Sylphie, but at the same time, he loved Roxy and felt terrible that she was suffering, because she honestly loved him and wanted to be with him too. So Rudeus was considerate of both Sylphie's & Roxy's feelings and thoughts, which speaks well of Rudeus's character, to be so mature and loving, not wanting to treat either female badly. Elinalise caring for both of them and seeing the situation, knowing that both of them were suffering, did not suggest a selfish or unreasonable thing, she explained it clearly. They, Rudeus Sylphie Roxy, were not followers of the Millis religion, and it was not seen as immoral or wrong to have multiple spouses, except by those in the Millis religion, which was not a factor in their lives. Elinalise's suggestion was to help solve the situation, since they both loved each other and wanted to be together, but both Rudeus & Roxy did not want it to just be an affair or to tear up the marriage. So Elinalise suggested that Rudeus take responsibility for his actions and for Roxy, asking her to be his wife. Rudeus was seriously questioning if that would even be ok, and he considered whether the two females would be open to such a thing and accept such a situation. So this was not a selfish, loveless, heartless, thoughtless decision, as if Sylphie meant nothing in their eyes, all parties fully considered Sylphie, and her thoughts and feelings. They all knew that Sylphie would need to know about what happened and that she would need to approve of this and allow it. And when Rudeus made up his mind to take responiilty for Roxy, whom he honestly loved, and asked her to be his wife, even though it made Roxy very happy, she said, "Ask me again, after you get your wife's approval", which shows that Roxy did not want to break up the marriage or interfere in their lives, she would only enter that situation after Rudeus talked to Sylphie and she allowed it. Rudeus, Roxy, Elinalise, everything they did was carefully thought out and in consideration of all parties, it was not a reckless or a selfish thing, they all are far better people than you are giving them credit for. |
ejleonJun 23, 4:58 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Reply to 1000-MAT
@mshfqtny It always goes up, they are bots that give a rating of 1.
| @1000-MAT Nah I legit gave it a 1. I sincerely hated it. I don't know how it's possible for bots to spam 1 on this show but not others, it doesn't make sense to me that ONLY this show would get that kind of treatment. There's plenty of reasons to get upset with this episode, no bots needed. |
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| An important scene was skipped in this anime. This is a stark reminder that any anime based on a light novel, will always be inferior to its primary source. |
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Reply to Gabu-sama
@StateofOhayo We get it, you're pathetic and as a result need to hate on things to feel like you have a reason to live. Normal humans, however, usually stop watching a show when they dislike it.
| @Gabu-sama bro it's just one episode, you do realize there is a reason for the damn 1 vote being available right? if people only watched and loved everything why the need for a voting system at all? |
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| younger rudy used to pray for times like this, roxy even came dressed for the occasion. well, blud's harem is about to kick-off. like father, like son indeed. |
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Reply to StateofOhayo
@Gabu-sama bro it's just one episode, you do realize there is a reason for the damn 1 vote being available right? if people only watched and loved everything why the need for a voting system at all?
| @StateofOhayo StateofOhayo said: bro it's just one episode, you do realize there is a reason for the damn 1 vote being available right? if people only watched and loved everything why the need for a voting system at all? All the episodes in this cour got boted. About a hundred 1's in the span of only a few minutes. |
| 1/10 They skipped how it went with Roxy, while Eris and Sylphie have their monologue with Rudy. 😭😭😭 Anyway... Here comes the 2nd waifu. |
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
| Da fuk? Roxy, the homewrecker xD Like when the predator becomes the prey. Well, that sure was a quick way to ruin Roxy's character. Can someone tell me where the strong independent cool-headed Roxy from S1 went? Because I don't recognize this emotionally weak lovestruck middle-schooler. Well, guess that only leaves Nanahoshi as the only female character I somewhat care about in this show. Looking forward to seeing how the author ruins her character as well. Also dude, no way you took Elinalise's opinion seriously. Of all people... Honestly, I kinda expected the approach of these last two episodes to be somewhat sad or even depressing but I'm getting quite the comedy instead. Oh man, Norn is gonna hate MC guts again. Not to mention Ariel and Luke. Like seriously, do people really like these soap opera-like turns this story takes? |
| This was such a good show and now I'm a little sad this is the last season. Like, we all know Norns' gonna murder Rudy next episode.. X.X |
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