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| that was a lame ass episode tbh. also i wanna say to his flashbacks, he was 100% in the right. the brother really wants him to go back to school....... after being displayed nude in front of everyone? lol brother is just lucky he didn't kill himself after that. |
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| For all the misgivings and ramblings I've had with s2 as a whole, this was probably the best episode so far from this season. Despite how brisk the pacing still is, it had notably slowed quite a bit here to allow for things to breathe better this time. The directing and storyboarding, especially with the nice metaphorical scenes of Rudy seeing his past self couped up and Norn seeing Paul in Rudy, were able to really capture and hit home with the emotional weight of Norn's character segment as well as Rudeus's own previous mirroring accounts of his past life. Even better, this episode did one of the very things I especially loved the most about the story of Mushoku Tensei: the shifting of perspectives between different characters aside from the main protagonist. Honestly I wished they did much more of this even back in s1, but here for Norn, it was done so effectively. She's just a normal kid who got the wrong impressions of someone related to her and had very immature feelings and reactions to it, whether or not they were fully warranted. Another great thing I really love about the story is how Rudeus reflects upon his past life...most other isekais would completely disregard that particular aspect. He looks at Norn's perspective and reminisced on how he could've handled things better in a similar situation back then as his past self. While he won't be able to make amends for things in the past anymore, at least the thought of trying to at least forward a message via Nanahoshi was still by all means a positive. An honestly really good episode overall, with everything being said and done, even if I can't hope to feel as good about this adaptation as the way I wished I could, though hopefully Turning Point 3 onwards may make amends for that, possibly. |
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| With everything sorted out at the end of the episode I thought "Oh boy, imagine if there was suddenly another Turning Point episode after this". It's best not to joke about such things... |
| "It's only anime if it's animated." |
| I thought they would do TP3 in this episode. So fucking glad they didn't. |
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Reply to Kayle_x_Morgana
that was a lame ass episode tbh.
also i wanna say to his flashbacks, he was 100% in the right.
the brother really wants him to go back to school....... after being displayed nude in front of everyone? lol
brother is just lucky he didn't kill himself after that.
also i wanna say to his flashbacks, he was 100% in the right.
the brother really wants him to go back to school....... after being displayed nude in front of everyone? lol
brother is just lucky he didn't kill himself after that.
| @Kayle_x_Morgana There's no perfect solution to this situation lol. His brother just wanted him to go with him to grab a bite and eat, and wanted to help his brother slowly gain the courage to step outside again till it eventually never worked. If his brother was willing to go to a different school altogether or find some kind of path to have him feel alive again, his family would gladly help him out with that based on impressions they gave in the first season. His brother tried his best, it works for some and it doesnt for others. There's no magical right or wrong since its more nuanced and complex than that. Nothing lame bout it |
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@yhunata Why would they, from the first two of them, the title of the episode gives away when a turning point happens to build anticipation for viewers and readers for whats to come.
| @MangagnaM I was fearing they would rush through Norn's chapter so they could end with TP3. For reference, TP3 should happen within the first 5 or so minutes of the next episode. It's literally the next thing that's gonna happen. EDIT: Right, I just reread a bit of Volume 11 and it seems I was mistaken. There is another chapter that takes place before TP3, but I think quite a bit of that chapter can likely be skipped. |
yhunataMay 6, 2:39 AM
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| Wow sad and deep episode. Very good! |
| “Do what feels right in your heart. You will be criticized either way.” (Eleanor Roosevelt) |
| They nailed the feeling here. Sometimes it's just the simple things that solve these terrible situations. Norn is not a great character, but then again she's probably the most realistic character surrounding Rudy. Just a normal, plain, hard working girl who doesn't excel at anything and surrounded by monsters of talent and the weight of expectations. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| How was this even a bit iteresting to watch for you guys? |
| Turning Point 3... Holy fuck I am scared of whats boutta happen |
| Almost managed to make me cry. Almost. |
| 2nd best Mushoku episode after Rudeus made up with his father. |
No, this isn't my signature~desu. |
| Ep 6: Turning Point 3 oh nononononono |
| Great episode with Norn's pov and rudeus past. Tp3 gonna be good. |
| sic mundus |
| While the episode really was well done and full of emotions, I feel this could've easily been the episode 8 or 9, maybe even 10. Why even time skip or rush the story so much? Idk how it is in the novel but the slower stuff is what makes it so good. Skipping most of it to get to the "good part" is so dumb. |
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2nd best Mushoku episode after Rudeus made up with his father.
| @Zarutaku Hey now. Give turning point two some credit please. To each their own I suppose. Episode was great. Some great ideas from the director that just work in anime and not in a light novel. When Rudy knocks on the door you hear his original voice telling himself to piss off. The glimpses of him seeing himself and finally getting a glimps into what his brother must've felt in that moment. Norn flashback ending with Ruijerd praising Rudy and last but no least her looking up and seeing her father and the blinking to see Rudy. Really really great stuff. They even had a piano version of the opening playing in the background which I absolutely didn't expect. Overall, the light novel is a bit clearer in it's character depiction but THANKFULLY we got the pov at all which was desperately needed. We've lost so many pov chapter over the course of the show but if this one would've been cut people just would not understand what was going on with Norn so I'm happy that we did get it. |
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| Absolute Peak Absolute Cinema |
| This was an emotionally charged episode and definitely the best one so far in this second cour. Seeing Norn in her state was a reflection of what Rudeus was like in his old life. Hearing more about what he was back then and how his older tried in vain to help out does show how much he regrets not doing anything to help himself. Being there for Norn during her time in need was the right thing for him to do and he handled it well. As for Norn, it's understandable as to why she ended up becoming a shut-in after being unable to deal with the huge pressure of being the younger sister to Rudeus. Considering at that point of her opinion of him being incredibly low after he beat the crap out of Paul back in season 1, she struggled to fathom as to why Rudeus was praised so much. In the end, she was able to get herself out of her cocoon and open up, crying on Rudeus as he held her. The emotions all throughout this scene was done excellently. The progress for Norn opening up to Rudeus has now begun, as the next day, she greeted both Rudeus and Sylphie with a smile. It's a big first step towards her having a good sibling relationship with Rudeus and, hopefully, where she'll open up more towards Aisha and Sylphie. Turning Point 3 is the next's episode title. I have no idea what will happen next but, going by the two previous episodes with the same title, I do expect important things to happen. I look forward to seeing how it'll unfold. =) |
| So Norn finally forgave Rudeus. I hope that they can have a normal relationship form now on. |
Arkaniet said: Give turning point two some credit please. Not really comparable, it's just "OP antagonist appears and beats the guts outta them" but still very good episode regardless. |
No, this isn't my signature~desu. |
| incredible episode, tears to my eyes |
 “Read as little as possible of critical or aesthetic works. They are either products of a close-minded spirit, petrified and devoid of meaning in their lifeless hardening, or clever verbal games [...]. Works of art are of an infinite solitude; nothing is worse than criticism for approaching them. Only love can grasp them, keep them, be just toward them. Always give precedence to your own feeling against these analyses, these reviews, these introductions. [...] You must let every impression, every seed of feeling, ripen within you, in the dark, in the inexpressible, in the unconscious, those regions closed to understanding. Wait with humility and patience for the hour of the birth of a new clarity. Art demands of its faithful followers as much as of its creators.” — RAINER-MARIA Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet (letter dated April 23, 1903). |
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Arkaniet said:
Give turning point two some credit please.
Give turning point two some credit please.
Not really comparable, it's just "OP antagonist appears and beats the guts outta them" but still very good episode regardless.
| @Zarutaku I clearly haven't seen enough shows where this happens and the show sort of lulled me into a false sense of security with them having next to no issues getting there and Ruijerd, Eris and Rudy being quite strong at that point and then they all get wiped in like seconds. ALSO the information that one is supposed to take away during that encounter and the hints and seeds sown there were great as well. But this isn't a turning point 2 thread sorry for the derail. |
ArkanietMay 5, 3:13 PM
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| This was a really nice episode. From the start Rudeus noticed Norn's shut-in behaviour and couldn't help not doing anything about it more so considering how he was. After confronting her class for a culprit he realized he was the one at fault even though he didn't know the reason. Nonetheless he wanted to make things right so that the same thing wouldn't happen to her. Norn's feelings are understandable. Imagine living with someone that diminishes someone you love to that level and then hearing everyone around talk great things about him. It must be frustrating and confusing but once you can come to an understanding you can start sorting things out. It's a good lesson to not focus so much on what couldn't be fixed in the past but on what can be in the future based on past knowledge. |
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| Absolute peak. What an episode. Definitely one of the best episodes of all time. This scene transition alone, pure art. So damn good.   I felt so bad for Norn and Rudeus too the entire time. This entire season really is the character developement people claimed he would get. Turning point 3 next and everything is going so well right now? Do I need to be scared? PS: When Rudeus mentioned his own brother I immeditely thought about Nanohashi sending a letter at some point and he even mentioned something like that himself. Sooo good. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| PEAK WRITING, ABSOLUTE PEAK, ABSOLUTE CINEMA. the transitions in this episode are amazingly good. so next episode turning point 3 huh, i wonder whats gonna happen... |
| I was hoping like: "after his false accusations towards the people inside the classroom, what face and emotions is he giving while he tries to left the classroom?" to be animated if it exists. I'm quite worried they're skipping its importance. |
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
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