Nanatsu no Maken ga Shihai suru Episode 3 Discussion

Marinate1016 said:

Awww, keep crying.

I didn’t imply, I stated. Yes nanatsuma is clear of that.

RHinoManer22 said:

If u truly ur standards must be lower than I thought in the deepest pits of hell.
Speaking frankly I unironically feel sorry for you. Like I genuinely sympathize with how abysmally low your tastes are.
I'll keep you in my prayers tonight

Iron_Maw said:
The point was undersatnd her point of view of reaction to Oliver duel was.

...Did understand anything about her problems? Nanao is suicidal because she has a narrow view of the world. She grew up in a war torn land where all until just recently she was suddenly pucked out from at verge of death. So the fact she here after fighting all her life sounds so crazy to her the this might just be an illusion. Chea's point's that it not. Place she is in is real as every one around, (this why also holding her hand to push the point) and she start living a new life that isn't bound to just combat. Where she came expressing one admiration, respect and love through duels might be normal but she doesn't have to live like that here. Oliver didn't rejecting her custom is not end of their relationship, they just don't have bond that way. Starting from now she slowly learn to deprogram throe bad habits. Desiring sucide was only end result of her disillusionment not the core problem. What address that disillusionment is what allowed her to move on.

ryzxgum said:
another snooze fest episode, do we already know how many episodes this is going for? cause i'll drop it if it's 2 cours.

Zefyris said:

So hmm, by sheer curiosity, since you say it's too predictable, surely you can predict what will happen or something ? Can you predict something incoming ( that wasn't already announced to come, I mean) ? Bonus question, can you actually predict what's the protagonist objective in this story ?

Iron_Maw said:
All there claiming the show is predictable haven't been predictable damn thing so far and just say after the fact. Funny how that. The criticisms toward show have been either been vapored or hypocritical. Bet a bunch of detractors  have also been Jujustsu Kaisen which is bog-standard shounen as you can so they clearly no problem watching the same tropes done 1000 before with new coat of paint. Hell it doesn't stop from enjoying JJK but I'm pretending to watch because not something ever seen before or using as attack against it. Just care about good executions, surprising twist are a bonus.

Triggerfish124 said:
DIdnt like the episode. Ophelia and Cyrus showing up honestly didn't really effect the story at all (I'd let Ophelia seduce me though). Most it did was give a debut to Alvin and Carlos.
The fact Nanai trailed after Pete, Michela, and Oliver and completely ignored Katie and Guy was disatisfying as well. Guy doesnt seem to exist for anything except as a straight man. Id these people are such good friends I dont think it makes sense for Guy and Katie to leave Nanai alone like that... unless they went to get Alvin and Carlos, which still wouldnt make sense because there hasnt been any content to suggest they'd know where to get to the student council for help.
Nanai's story is still weak. The story seems to be basing that there's always war around where Nanai is but doesn't really give any information on why.
Tfw Oliver's harem seems to be complete and therefore fits the description of your generic overpowered saintly isekai mc who gets all the girls (and yes I know this isn't an isekai, but the pacing and all the lame drama reminds me of bad ones like that).
Andrew still seems to exist to be a pain in the ass. Do we really need the drama of him continuing to have a thorn in his side that he didn't face a troll? It makes sense to let teachers take care of an accident. Honestly why there weren't enchantments already in place to avoid incidences is questionable.
And more animal rights drama with Katie.

Silent-Shadow05 said:
Nanao's story seems to based on old Japan which was very violent and frequently been in conflict. I don't see how its weird. She could've easily been defending her village/area from invaders. Also why would Nanao call for Katie and Guy to stay with her if her goal is to die? She followed Oliver and the rest discreetly after all.

Oliver doesn't even have a harem. Its a love triangle and not even a proper one yet. Also he clearly loves Nanao more so I don't think Katie's feelings will go anywhere. Oliver was also not OP till now. Nanao was stronger than him and the world also doesn't completely revolve around him.

This school is one where 20% of the students die. The headmistress clearly said as such. By using that logic, it makes sense why some of the teachers are so callous and why some senior students try to mess with the 1st years. Also Draco Malfoy existed as a pain in the ass character in Harry Potter too but I never saw complaints like why there needed to be drama involving him.

Silent-Shadow05 said:
Nanao's story seems to based on old Japan which was very violent and frequently been in conflict. I don't see how its weird. She could've easily been defending her village/area from invaders. Also why would Nanao call for Katie and Guy to stay with her if her goal is to die? She followed Oliver and the rest discreetly after all.

Oliver doesn't even have a harem. Its a love triangle and not even a proper one yet. Also he clearly loves Nanao more so I don't think Katie's feelings will go anywhere. Oliver was also not OP till now. Nanao was stronger than him and the world also doesn't completely revolve around him.

This school is one where 20% of the students die. The headmistress clearly said as such. By using that logic, it makes sense why some of the teachers are so callous and why some senior students try to mess with the 1st years. Also Draco Malfoy existed as a pain in the ass character in Harry Potter too but I never saw complaints like why there needed to be drama involving him.

Silent-Shadow05 said:
I find the complaints about case chemistry even more weird. They are such a nice group who care about each because they managed to bond through shared conflict. They act similar to the people I know IRL. 

Even how they met at the begining was relatable as that's how I became friends with my old college buddies.

Triggerfish124 said:


I just think its bad storytelling to have a character who supposed had fought in multiple wars (she says wars in plural on episode 1, maybe its a translation/subtitle error). As young as she is and why her hair changes color (which didnt happen in her battle against those other warriors)  I just don't think it makes proper sense and its just there to make her seem unique and to have a tragic past, but honestly great origin stories are one of my favorite things so I dislike when they're just briefly covered in a way that I find disatisfying. I get not all stories can be like One Piece or Bungo Stray Dogs which have a lot of thought taken into back stories (although Luffy's seems like its changed a bit over the years, hope you don't mind the slight spoiler).

Before Pete, Michela, and Oliver leave to get Pete's book in episode 2, we see that all 6 friends are dining together. So if Guy and Katie see Nanao leave by herself to follow the other 3, I think it would make more sense for them to have gone with them in concern for their friends. Even in the scenario of Nanai trying to leave without making it obvious she's following Oliver's group, Guy and Katie should have wanted to accompany Nanai, seeing as there's strength in numbers. As for Nanai's suicidal urge, she shouldn't have had any idea that she would end up confronting two powerful mages.

Michela hasnt been seen interacting with anyone else besides Andrew, and in those she was arguing against him, so I think its fair to consider her in Oliver's harem, especially since both times she was backing up Oliver. I think there are anime that only have two love interests that are considered harems, but I could be wrong.

As for overpowered, I would say there are many signs that Oliver is not a simple student, with him being followed by that one chick (which you could possibly consider a harem candidate although I would consider that a bit farfetchd at this time). I kind of felt like editing the OP part out after I sent my original message, but I'm 85% sure that Oliver will be revealed to know a spellblade art. I would say his art is so secret its the seventh, but Nanai might be the one who creates it (In the episode I watched Mr. Carland said there were 6 legendary spellblades, so unless thats another subtitle error there will be a seventh spellblade that will be created or revealed), and besides the crappy harem isekai are the ones with the overpowered characters, and thats what I'm comparing Oliver to anyways.

The school is one where 20% of students die. In my opinion that should make it hard for this school to get new students or donations. As a parent I wouldn't want to send my kid to a school where he has a 20% of dying in his first year. So my logic would be you would want to make the parade not have any chances of death. Thats allegedly why you have upper tier students that patrol the area for dangers. And if the school is truly ruled by the strong, the school shouldn't care about the troll living or dying, or should have sided with Darius Grenville (as in the troll being euthanized after the investigation, instead of a fair trial).

Draco Malfoy was a better written character. At this point his only purpose is to create useless drama
Why do I say useless?
In the second episode Andrew wants to fight Nanai, allegedly to get clout. Oliver doesn't want him to look good so he interferes. Oliver than immediately starts fighting Nanai seriously and it gets to the point the teacher literally has to cancel the fight. The anime acts like Oliver had good intentions, but I don't see them from the end results. Oliver literally judges Andrew in class in front of everyone, so it makes sense for Andrew to gain offense at that. In my opinion, it should have been Andrew versus Olliver for the class example, because Nanai allegedly doesn't know magic yet (which doesn't really make sense with how her hair can change color and how she removed the sword debuff), and the point of the fight was to give the class a good example on what trained sword arts looks like.
Anyways Andrew just then comes over to Olliver and tries to start a fight, and then at the end of the episode he literally sends a challenge out to Nanai and Olliver to fight them. Is he seriously going to fight both of them at once? If hes that strong and things he stands a chance against Nanai and Oliver, even after watching Nanai defeat a troll and then watching Nanai and Oliver fight, I dont think he has any right to be this insecure
Even if its a personal flaw, I still think its pointless drama. Nothing comes out of this except an attempt to make Olliver look like a great guy.
I don't remember much about Draco but I don't remember Draco causing drama being the focus of Harry Potter. Cause honestly that's all Ive seen so far, character squabbles that don't seem that important. And the anime is now a fourth done.

Iron_Maw said:
Your bit about Nanao doesn't tell me how this actually bad and its assuming all her development is done rather being start of trying to living out normal life over course of the story and her newfound friend are displaying enough basic human empathy in supporting her. Like like Spellblkades isn't going to end in next episode dude.

You criticism about Nanao following them but not the others is pointless. First off they just getting Pete's book not going to a dangerous fight. Oliver and Chela are two most reliable kids in the group so there very little reason for Guy, and Katie to worry. But the kids aren't a hive mind, Nanao and left own her to brave the academy's danger and find an excuse to deal with her heartbreak.

Harems are defined by romance engagement with between specify characters. If was simply just talking to someone, then almost every character any fiction ever is in protagonist harem. Moreover Chela has interacted with Guy, Pete, Katie Nanao too. She backs up Oliver because they both often on the same wavelength due both of them being the most mature people in the group, but there zero romance tension between unlike Nanao and Katie.

Oliver not OP, he's only above average student compared to his peers. Nanao is actually a better swordsman than he is for reasons that will be shown two week from now.

Darco Malfory was one-note character who hated protagonist for being poor and conspired with a bunch of wizard nazis which was dragged across several volumes. Andrew's hostility toward Oliver & Nanao stems from his own inferiority complex from his estranged relationship with Chela who he often unfairly compared against. That's more nuance than Draco had in one page.

The anime acts like Oliver had good intentions because he did, you just decide he didn't to for "reasons". Prior to duel Andrew all smirk about how barbarous Nanao was and was planning to embarrass her for clout by taking advantage of the fact she couldn't use magic properly. Because Oliver isn't a dumbass to who needs to have obvious spelled out for him and can read the room he Chela stepped in save Nanao's pride and have being mocked by other students for being talentless mage throughout her schooling years.

Nanao not knowing magic makes plenty sense when there no mages in her country and innocent color is just buff that is a specific inborn ability.

Furthermore you need stopping telling people how they are supposed to feel about anything. No offense but you sound like annoying person IRL who thinks they dictated how should personally behave to please you. Chela outlined Andrews reason for fighting Oliver and Nanao and that all matters. He good deal pride empty pride for born from an inferiority complex where he forced compete against her now fears Olive and Nanao taking away even his place at 2nd best. This isn't complicated nor is it pointless drama.

This isn't a critique its a rant post fill with misreads and character assassinations.

Triggerfish124 said:


Whatever dude. Ive stated my points on why I think the way I do for the anime. You've obviously read some of the manga and honestly I think you're biased because of it. Not a bad thing if the manga is better than the anime.
Honestly I could say you're hypocritical because the point of this thread is to state our opinion on what we thought of the episode. You disagree with me, so you're arguing with me. I could say why I disagree with the points you've made, but Im not trying to change your opinion, and honestly Ive wasted enough time talking about an anime I don't even like.

Iron_Maw said:
No everything countered with was form the anime, so that excuse doesn't fly. You just weren't a paying any attention decided to read everything happened in the worst way possible.

Triggerfish124 said:


I just think its bad storytelling to have a character who supposed had fought in multiple wars (she says wars in plural on episode 1, maybe its a translation/subtitle error). As young as she is and why her hair changes color (which didnt happen in her battle against those other warriors)  I just don't think it makes proper sense and its just there to make her seem unique and to have a tragic past, but honestly great origin stories are one of my favorite things so I dislike when they're just briefly covered in a way that I find disatisfying. I get not all stories can be like One Piece or Bungo Stray Dogs which have a lot of thought taken into back stories (although Luffy's seems like its changed a bit over the years, hope you don't mind the slight spoiler).

Before Pete, Michela, and Oliver leave to get Pete's book in episode 2, we see that all 6 friends are dining together. So if Guy and Katie see Nanao leave by herself to follow the other 3, I think it would make more sense for them to have gone with them in concern for their friends. Even in the scenario of Nanai trying to leave without making it obvious she's following Oliver's group, Guy and Katie should have wanted to accompany Nanai, seeing as there's strength in numbers. As for Nanai's suicidal urge, she shouldn't have had any idea that she would end up confronting two powerful mages.

Michela hasnt been seen interacting with anyone else besides Andrew, and in those she was arguing against him, so I think its fair to consider her in Oliver's harem, especially since both times she was backing up Oliver. I think there are anime that only have two love interests that are considered harems, but I could be wrong.

As for overpowered, I would say there are many signs that Oliver is not a simple student, with him being followed by that one chick (which you could possibly consider a harem candidate although I would consider that a bit farfetchd at this time). I kind of felt like editing the OP part out after I sent my original message, but I'm 85% sure that Oliver will be revealed to know a spellblade art. I would say his art is so secret its the seventh, but Nanai might be the one who creates it (In the episode I watched Mr. Carland said there were 6 legendary spellblades, so unless thats another subtitle error there will be a seventh spellblade that will be created or revealed), and besides the crappy harem isekai are the ones with the overpowered characters, and thats what I'm comparing Oliver to anyways.

The school is one where 20% of students die. In my opinion that should make it hard for this school to get new students or donations. As a parent I wouldn't want to send my kid to a school where he has a 20% of dying in his first year. So my logic would be you would want to make the parade not have any chances of death. Thats allegedly why you have upper tier students that patrol the area for dangers. And if the school is truly ruled by the strong, the school shouldn't care about the troll living or dying, or should have sided with Darius Grenville (as in the troll being euthanized after the investigation, instead of a fair trial).

Draco Malfoy was a better written character. At this point his only purpose is to create useless drama
Why do I say useless?
In the second episode Andrew wants to fight Nanai, allegedly to get clout. Oliver doesn't want him to look good so he interferes. Oliver than immediately starts fighting Nanai seriously and it gets to the point the teacher literally has to cancel the fight. The anime acts like Oliver had good intentions, but I don't see them from the end results. Oliver literally judges Andrew in class in front of everyone, so it makes sense for Andrew to gain offense at that. In my opinion, it should have been Andrew versus Olliver for the class example, because Nanai allegedly doesn't know magic yet (which doesn't really make sense with how her hair can change color and how she removed the sword debuff), and the point of the fight was to give the class a good example on what trained sword arts looks like.
Anyways Andrew just then comes over to Olliver and tries to start a fight, and then at the end of the episode he literally sends a challenge out to Nanai and Olliver to fight them. Is he seriously going to fight both of them at once? If hes that strong and things he stands a chance against Nanai and Oliver, even after watching Nanai defeat a troll and then watching Nanai and Oliver fight, I dont think he has any right to be this insecure
Even if its a personal flaw, I still think its pointless drama. Nothing comes out of this except an attempt to make Olliver look like a great guy.
I don't remember much about Draco but I don't remember Draco causing drama being the focus of Harry Potter. Cause honestly that's all Ive seen so far, character squabbles that don't seem that important. And the anime is now a fourth done.

RHinoManer22 said:

If u truly ur standards must be lower than I thought in the deepest pits of hell.
Speaking frankly I unironically feel sorry for you. Like I genuinely sympathize with how abysmally low your tastes are.
I'll keep you in my prayers tonight

Adverrito said:
Nanao starts a new life as a cute clingy magical student, leaving her dumb purpose and an innocent dead poet behind. it's good for her that her friends act pretty chill about her past life

Softhenic03 said:
What kind of backstory was that lol? Just what they wanted me to feel??? She feels regret because she killed that so-called great warrior without even realizing.. WHAT??? LMAOOO.

ProofByColor said:
Man this samurai is just too much. With the cringe af way she speaks and her chuuni ass personality. Even if I'm supposed to just accept the world building that she's from a place where a young girl can fight in wars all her fucking life and then be so strong she's able to get into the enemy base camp to have fight to the death... It's just a bit much.

RedChrome said:
I know right it's sound so absurd, I wonder if the author or anybody were drunk when they wrote it 

ProofByColor said:
Man this samurai is just too much. With the cringe af way she speaks and her chuuni ass personality. Even if I'm supposed to just accept the world building that she's from a place where a young girl can fight in wars all her fucking life and then be so strong she's able to get into the enemy base camp to have fight to the death... It's just a bit much.

Iron_Maw said:
First off, the term chunni refers to a delusional person who lives IRL but acts as if they from fantasy world where they powers they pretend to have would exist. That makes no sense because Spellblades is fantasy where that stuff only possible its common. Second the concept of child soliders is not only but exist IRL and if anything would be more common in Spellblades to due how presence of magic works. Nanao 's unique strength was she taught and allow on a battle filed at all.

Iron_Maw said:
Well they are at place where 20% of student body will die and the pursuit of magic is valued of even over human lives (see Ophelia & Rivermoore) in the mage world in general. Nanao's homeland may have been harsh, but the new world she in is no picnic either. That might be actually be sadder part in all of this. She will gonna need all support she can not to get corrupted by the darkness of the school.

10110 said:
bruh what?

She has a death wish because her warrior code says.. what exactly? I’m even trying to remember what her code is to paraphrase it and I can’t even really comprehend it…

And why does Mr. Andrew’s have a hard-on to fight Oliver and Nanao so much?

I’ll give it a few more episodes to right the ship.. but wtf is going on here, I need to see something stronger moving forward

Zefyris said:

So hmm, by sheer curiosity, since you say it's too predictable, surely you can predict what will happen or something ? Can you predict something incoming ( that wasn't already announced to come, I mean) ? Bonus question, can you actually predict what's the protagonist objective in this story ?

durask said:
As a LN reader - unfortunately IMHO this is a typical "LN commercial" style adaptation.

Jumping from one plot point to another - which is unfortunate because the first LN does a good job setting up the plots for the subsequent LNs.

It is not horrible, but source material would have required a significant effort - well above what I am seeing.

IMHO, Alderamin anime adaptation was much better.
(Alderamin is by the same LN author).

Edit: tbh the way the first LN is if they did not move fast modern audience will abandon everything after the first episode. So it is kinda a lose-lose situation.