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| Oh boy...and i was about to comment how nice was Theo x Siluca moment, compared to that end we better forget that xD WTF was that? I definitely did not expect that... Hope they both die now! |
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sirwence said: Nain said: She claimed in the last episode, when she received a renewed offer of marriage, that she didn't want to fall into the trap of the conspirators who disapprove of their marriage. I agree that the reason isn't really powerful enough to force her into her current line of action. The story definitely has serious 'realism' issues. well the only thing confirmed is Milza is likely a dead man either at the hands of Theo..or less likely Villar. And yes I recall that she doesnt want to fall into the trap so shes become a dishonorable military tyrant with no personal honor anymore either? So she decided to create her own trap to throw herself into sigh I usually don't quote so many people and their answers, but i f*** agree 100% with you. Wtf is wrong with her. Hope they both die soon. |
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AnimeSoap said: Finalitius said: The last two episodes really stepped it up in terms of overall impact - was actually about to drop it since the first 7 episodes were really "meh", and the world building wasn't too effective. Thought I'd post here after seeing all the butthurt from whatever happened this episode. Is Marianne a whore? Definitely not. Why? Because she was forced into that position by circumstance, did she have a choice? In terms of her goal of reunifying the whole country, probably not. There shouldn't be any deus ex machina bullshit that offers a magical solution where everyone is happy, this work isn't about that. Ep 8 built up the romeo-juliet like thing between Marianne and Alexis just so that last few minutes of Ep 9 will be that much more heartbreaking. Marianne is a respectable character, she did what she needed to do for her goals, she made the choice between her family honor and Alexis. Sure, it's more beautiful to throw away a whole country for someone you love, romantic - sure, but that's not her character AT ALL. Alexis has conquered her heart through his gentleness. He has melted her cold and ruthless exterior and reach into her maiden heart, and no one can take away from that. In terms of virginity or whatnot, that is nothing in comparison to unification, and finally end up as empress and emperor with Alexis. Did I enjoy those last few minutes? Definitely not, I love Marianne and I'm also a sucker for all Kayano Ai characters. Hopefully we'll see some epic death for the edgelord "I love war/ I only follow the strong", or a insignificant one - suitable for the scum that he is. I beg to differ. She probably could have gotten him on her side even if she didn't have sex for it. The dude was already going against Villar by his own will. Even not knowing this if she denied the request I'm sure the conversation would have ended in her favor. Sure, if that's your interpretation of it then I'll leave you to it. Favourable deal in the end regardless? Sure. But you do have to note that she was pressed for time and wanted no bullshit negotiation wasting precious mobilization time. In war, speed is a key factor. Could she have refused? Of course. Could he have just murder everyone at the scene and have his way with her? Of course. She did it to maximize her advantage against the enemy. Edit: IDK grammar |
I am going to have to repost the same picture kinda for this one reason : HOLD UP!! When was there a budding romance between these two? To me, I feel like the romance just escalated so quick. One moment I was eating my strawberry ice cream and next thing I knew, they were confessing their love for each other.. WHEN? WHAT? HOW? WHY? WHERE? But you know what? I shipped these two anyways~ ❤／(≧ x ≦)＼〃☆ |
Νεχ ποσσυμ τεχυμ ωιωερε, νεχ σινε τε ❤／(˃ᆺ˂)＼❤ |
| I really love how this is directed. The way it juxtaposed Siluca's innocent love with Marrine sacrificing it to gain victory was beautiful. This episode also made me appreciate Marrine and her resolve so much more, she really would do anything. Alexis is an idiot, but they clearly need each other - she needs him to temper her, and he needs her to keep him grounded. And realistic romance progression! Two characters clearly in love with each other - get together! No endless dancing around each other in a will-they-wont-they. I'm a really strong fujoshi and I usually I'd just ship random guys, but the relationships in this are beautiful - I upped my score to 10/10. |
Spiryts said: rape or ntr, whatever, but why we must have each last season some pseudo hentai inserts or whole series in which sex is the only motive, if they want so much, just make hentai, not add some shitty exaggerated scene, just for some shitty "shock value", only to leave disgusted viewers, and waste good seiyuu. It's not ntr. It's not hentai. Look at that scene again. The focus is not the sex itself, it's also not Alexis in any way - it's Marrine's emotions, something breaking inside her. When she looks up at the guy and all she sees is a beast. She doesn't enjoy it, but she also doesn't cry out or reject it because she feels that it is something necessary, and a small price to pay for it. All throughout the second half of the episode you are in her head, as she loses her innocent values piece by piece. The biggest piece was the massacre, not the sex. The sex was almost an afterthought - "I've gone this far, what does my body matter." And regarding Alexis, we all know he would "forgive" her (there's nothing to forgive they're not even together!) - he would understand and he would love her just as much. I'm sure Marrine also thought of him during the act, but he was not part of it in any way. And to everyone saying this is rape, have you watched the episode?! It doesn't get more "informed consent" than this! Not all sex is out of love, and loveless sex is not automatically rape. |
Kiraly said: Spiryts said: rape or ntr, whatever, but why we must have each last season some pseudo hentai inserts or whole series in which sex is the only motive, if they want so much, just make hentai, not add some shitty exaggerated scene, just for some shitty "shock value", only to leave disgusted viewers, and waste good seiyuu. It's not ntr. It's not hentai. Look at that scene again. The focus is not the sex itself, it's also not Alexis in any way - it's Marrine's emotions, something breaking inside her. When she looks up at the guy and all she sees is a beast. She doesn't enjoy it, but she also doesn't cry out or reject it because she feels that it is something necessary, and a small price to pay for it. All throughout the second half of the episode you are in her head, as she loses her innocent values piece by piece. The biggest piece was the massacre, not the sex. The sex was almost an afterthought - "I've gone this far, what does my body matter." And regarding Alexis, we all know he would "forgive" her (there's nothing to forgive they're not even together!) - he would understand and he would love her just as much. I'm sure Marrine also thought of him during the act, but he was not part of it in any way. And to everyone saying this is rape, have you watched the episode?! It doesn't get more "informed consent" than this! Not all sex is out of love, and loveless sex is not automatically rape. Where I wrote that it is ntr or hentai ? I only complained about the lack of deeper thought in story, and replacing it with cheap content fillers in currently presented anime series that's all. I can admit that it's my fault, that I did not check "WHO" is doing this series, because knowing that is a a-1, I would expect them to fuck something up. |
| Alixis is gona have a heart shatter |
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| without doubts, the best episode!! For one side Theo´s love declaration at Siluca and for another side the queen Masrriane pact, intime pact, with the Dargtania Prince!!!! |
| This was honestly the most dull and boring show of the Winter season...until this episode happened. The most talked about and controversial episode of the Winter season belongs to this otherwise dull, boring, and very vanilla show. That's hilarious. Real talk: honestly the worst anime episode ever created. Worse than the entirety of Pupa combined. It made me want to die. Thanks for the NTR, Japan. Looking forward to when Milza fucks Siluca while Theo watches them! |
| I dont get why any one is calling this rape. it was very clearly consensual. though she may not have really wanted to do it with him she also very easily could have said no to the whole ordeal. Not once did he force himself on her. |
Around and around the cycle goes. |
| Honestly at this point I'm just watching this for Theo and Silica... Fuck everyone else. |
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| Aw man, I thought she had such a good relationship with Alexis, but of course that prince dude just had to get in between them first.. I mean I guess it's no surprise that even the mightiest warrior is not exempt from being a salacious man consumed by carnal desire. Someone's going to die for sure. I feel like Marrine will, because I can't really see her getting with Alexis after this.. but who knows. |
 ♔ caught in the wonder ♔ |
| Damn it all!!! I wanted to sleep with Milza!!! LOL!! Anyways, is Marrine going to start spreading her legs for every man that wants to be her ally? If so, this anime could turn into a soft hentai real quick. |
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| Confirmed THOT. Poor Alexis |
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| Eh, a lot of choices made by characters are some of the most irrational and unexplained. Out of all of the characters introduced including the many cast aside, there's only two characters in this show that were written to have any sort of meaningful development. This is starting to come off as a cheap GoT imitation in a way. |
 "To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" |
| first half happy sex. 1/5 last half rape scene. 5/5 |
| 4th times getting signature banned wtf |
| poor Alexis. if they still loved each other, she should just meet with Alexis and all of this useless war comes to an end. |
| They have purple skin? Dat miasma. They cheated. Oh shit! Milza want to smash Marrine! Oh shit! She gonna let Milza take her virginity. Alexis staying faithful for that? Oppai. LMFAO They showing Milza thrusting! Man. Alexis better find a new woman now. She used goods. lol at rape. Yall funny. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| Lol. All you beta's complaining. She got with a real man, not some she boy prince lol. But yeah, good for theo and siluca |
kkDVSMay 19, 2019 9:44 PM
| Alexis is gonna kill the dude, he singed hes own death warrent MikeS90 said: Lol. All you beta's complaining. She got with a real man, not some she boy prince lol. But yeah, good for theo and siluca real man are u kidding me, real men don't do it like that, its how bigs do it (how scum piece of SH garbage humans do it) and the other word what sjw's use starting with m misogynist real man first get womens heart, so Alexis was more man then this alpha ape primitive trash, its beta way to get woman to lay with u, good example how alphas are sometimes more betas then some betas |
Sugram22Mar 18, 2021 6:02 AM
| BD Version of that scene. NSFW https://streamable.com/xkzem |
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| Cherry popped... Getting BLACKED....What a way to have your first time... Can we all agree that Prince Milza is the actual Lustful Prince here? Not Prince Villar... |
| I was starting to get Game of Thrones vibes during the miasma scene, but to think they actually follow through Khal Drogo style at the end. That was certainly shocking, uncomfortable & grotesque albeit it was a remarkably executed scene. The way it shows Milza's entire body tower over Marrine as he goes to penetrate her really demonstrates his will to conquest. In contrast, Marrine shows no reaction despite her disgust & agony because she doesn't want to give him the satisfaction or sense of superiority. It also goes hand in hand with her belief that she can no longer be loved by Alexis and that this is now an ultimatum on that conviction. Ironically, I can greater respect Grancrest Senki for this choice. In the face of immature anime fans & waifu purity spiraling, it's an extremely difficult decision to include an element of storytelling that would be otherwise commonplace in a setting of this harsh & brutal nature. Look no further than Alicization and one will see just how asinine the outrage can become. With that said, I really hope Theo gets to kill Milza before the end. |
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| I came here to see every ones reactions to the last scene. I am surprised... I must have watched a different version than all of the "Not Rape" people, Milza very clearly says. "Whether or not you take me as an ally I will take you as my conquest tonight." <--- And that is a very close paraphrase of the scenario. Forgive me for not re watching the episode to get it exactly. It legit came down to Mirrine either goes along with it, or He kills the two maids, beats her into submission and takes what he wants. That is rape. Also To the guy that called out Milzas plot armor... When I saw him do three flips in the air around the "Most Skilled Knights" I paused the show and said outloud, "Wow quit with this guys plot armor." I legitimately paused the show just to clearly announce that he had blatantly visible plot armor. He was not impressive, he was breaking the standards set forth by the show. That alone is enough for some one to hate a character. Seriously... These are knights who could fire and hit Aieshela from 50-250~ meters away through smoke as thick as you could want it and strike a killing blow. But this dude legit just spinning through the air 3.5~ meters away can not be shot? Trust me that is a much easier shot to make, and a much harder shot to avoid. The second he got into the center of those "Elite" knights he should have been dead. Admittedly Aieshella did practically the same thing but she did get hit and nearly died because of it. But she also had a bit of the element of surprise, with a hit and run tactic with a smokescreen retreat. Not the blatant Railroad track right to you, I am a massive target kill me no matter what scenario that Milza had(seriously those knights deserve to die for not making every move possible to cut the plot armor right off of Milza). That is bad writing that breaks the shows own premise. Something else that bothered me How did they make that castle on the peninsula if deadly poison gas pops up every now and then?---> More importantly, how did they not have a way to protect themselves from the poison? This is a plot hole that bothers me. As for people complaining about the difference of standards between the deaths, and the rape. It can be understood that in warfare people will die. These people are there fighting for a cause, They know the possibilities. Morality is difficult as both sides view themselves as right, On the other hand.... Rape is always unacceptable. If you want to argue against that, You are trash. But I am willing to listen to your arguments, if nothing more than to be fair. As for the People calling other people "Betas" and Praising an "Alpha" Not once have I seen some one who says "That is alpha" as anything close to an alpha. To those alphas... Call it what it realistically is, say it "That is my Self Insert". You identify with the guy that every one hates, and you kinda hate them yourself so you immediately make it clear that there is no way any one who disagrees with him is powerful enough to contend with him/you. That being said, you do not have to insult anyone, you already have your tribe, people like you just fine. Not the people you insulted... but people. And a final note, I do not hate the story, but I can definitely understand people dropping it at this episode. I mean I stopped multiple times to call out the bad writing/storytelling. I do not see myself rating this series any higher than 6/10 when I finish it. Marrine would have made a decent enough tragic villain especially when Paired with the semi villains like the Vampire lord, and the black witch... we did not need Milza, he broke the story, and he was awful in general. If you disagree please explain. Anyways I hate long posts and try to skim them... If TLDR--> It was a bad episode with poor storytelling that broke the narrative of earlier events blatantly, Character development was sacrificed for shock value and peacocking and any one who said it was "not rape" Either watched a different show/translation, or are in denial so deep they need to start watching out for crocodiles. |
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| Lol the more episodes pass, the more Marrine reveals herself to be a complete dumbass, digging her own grave as well... All she had to do was accept the peace and get closer to Alexis again but no. Welp, we'll see now. Someone will die for sure. |
| bruh |
| Some years have passed but I still remember how damn bad was this episode. |
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| That's an interesting way of doing business. I'm surprised by how badly people took that scene, I expected it to just come as a bit of a surprise. This is coming from someone who thought Kuroinu was some good fun tho, so... lol Howlong said: Getting BLACKED....What a way to have your first time... I shouldn't have laughed imao |
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| Lmao there are some really brain dead comments about prince doing it just to fuck Marianne when it was established time and time again that Mirza only cares about ambition. He was not lusting after Marianne he was testing her ambition. He literally told her that she is lying about not loving Alexis. He also went through with it because even if Marianne was still in love with Alexis, doing that would surely kill of any possibility of future reconciliation. It was so fucking obvious and here we have average anime watchers with stupid comments. I am not gonna say that children should be kept out from sex stuff but when they are this fucking retarded when it comes to understanding the plot and characters in such a simple show then I think all anime with better than mediocre complexity should be PG-18 to prevent retarded and mentally undeveloped people from watching them. Also lol at everyone crying "rape" when it is not rape in the slightest. She agreed to it. This is not a what happened to Daenerys with Drogo because in GoT she was pimped by her brother and she did not want that. |
sk8erbyernAug 10, 2020 2:04 PM
| His weakness is a kind heart that doesn't match with a killer. His strength is the strength to live on bearing the pain of the sorrowful heart worse than death. |
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