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| Good with some romance between the MC. I like romance happening in a middle of a show but this time it seemed to fast? But the whole show is like on crack anyway. Last scene? Don´t care about that girl. Use political sex is nothing new. Was no rape either. She was given the choice to have a military alliance or not. one with includes sleep with him to have the alliance. when i think about it don´t care so much about this show anyway XD |
Stark700 said: It was kind of annoying how he didn't even blush...bland motherfucka.THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So they're taking more time to develop Theo/Silluca's relationship in this show. Seems like they've became really close this episode. That embrace and kiss! About time! The fighting on the battlefield got more intense. Marrine is also definitely not a woman to underestimate when it comes to war conflicts. Those last few minutes though..wow. Virginity for loyalty...poor Alexis. Sigh.  |
| So many disappointment , I'm not really sure what to feel about this show |
AbattoirRat said: Lastly, if your shock value causes a drop epidemic, you did it wrong. I don't see any drop epidemic, is the countrary infact if you see how much people reply overall, these last episodes boost further the popularity of the serie, infact more people is now interested to see how things will turn out from now on. Just because 20 1 post alts in a foreign forum trolling and spread the word "drop" it mean nothing, they are nonfactor compared to the whole anime fanbase. This adaption is very well received even with the fast paced episodes. If you like go ahead and do not let other opinions influence what you like, is not a problem at all, even the jap fanarts joking about it. :D |
Fn76Mar 4, 2018 4:10 AM
| So while the main ship set sail, Marrine has demonstrated that she is willing to do... probably anything at all if it brings her closer to victory in the end, and Milza is now working with her. So we have our good couple, whose all good times, kind, and forgiving, trying to spare as many lives as possible while bringing peace to the world. And we have our bad couple, which is is willing to do whatever is necessary to achieve their goals, no matter what others think. I quite like the contrast they're showing between the characters here. |
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Fnights said: AbattoirRat said: Lastly, if your shock value causes a drop epidemic, you did it wrong. I don't see any drop epidemic, is the countrary infact if you see how much people reply overall, these last episodes boost further the popularity of the serie, infact more people is now interested to see how things will turn out from now on. Just because 20 1 post alts in a foreign forum trolling and spread the word "drop" it mean nothing, they are nonfactor compared to the whole anime fanbase. This adaption is very well received even with the fast paced episodes. If you like go ahead and do not let other opinions influence what you like, is not a problem at all, even the jap fanarts joking about it. :D Yeah, I went overboard on my final thought. I still believe this scene was appalling. Not the content per se, but the way it was implemented. It was nonsensical, and I found it hard to view as anything more than fan service, although I use the term service lightly here. |
| That ending was not that bad and you guys saying she was raped must not have watched it. She clearly gave her consent even if she really didnt want to she chose losing her virginity for a powerful ally. Give and take... |
| HAHAHAH the last minutes was just....LMAO 1/5 |
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| Just to piss the shit out of the readers author did this kind of sexual conflict? Mmmmhhmmmmm..... This is idiotic, could not suspend my disbelief... I mean, that kind of trade is stupid... Too abstract to be proven if by chances that Milza denies such transaction happened between him and the princess, and Milza did not gain anything... I mean he got to smash, but cmon, that's just kinda friggid... And no man, i repeat no man would act like robot in sex unless get payed... But i do hope she got pregnant.... It would be such a twist right? |
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| lol what is this, the anime equivalent of GoT? This shit is interesting, I don't care what anyone says. |
| Prostitution and chemical warfare. Fucking repulsive. |
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opiktea said: Just to piss the shit out of the readers author did this kind of sexual conflict? Mmmmhhmmmmm..... This is idiotic, could not suspend my disbelief... I mean, that kind of trade is stupid... Too abstract to be proven if by chances that Milza denies such transaction happened between him and the princess, and Milza did not gain anything... I mean he got to smash, but cmon, that's just kinda friggid... And no man, i repeat no man would act like robot in sex unless get payed... You should maybe read 1 or 2 History Books. Debauchery, Sex and Marriage for Politcal reasons is more than common. |
| We went from a 10/10 Ship confirmation to a “what in the actual hell?” really quickly in this ep. Hope Arabian boi gets smoked alive down the road. |
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MyWayHighWay said: Alpha101 said: Honestly fuck this shit. I was so hyped for this anime's potential. My gut just dropped at that last scene. Now I have to either drop the goddamn anime or keep watching and have that scene pop up in my mind every time I watch an episode (fcking mental torture). Why'd they have to do us dirty like this? And when I finally thought there was going to be a great anime where the romance actually develops for the MC. They fcking HAD to throw that NTR shit in. So you're not mentally tortured at the sight of Marrine using WDM or butchering helpless people and literally bathing in their blood, but hunky arab prince going in for the first time makes you see nightmares? I suggest there is something wrong with you and with everyone else who is doing these ridiculous mental gymnastics. Bro I still think Marrine is a btch and should die. It's just that scene out of fcking nowhere was shocking. And I'm pretty sure we are pretty desensitized to watching innocent people getting killed in anime. Doesn't make it right, but just reality. Plus, the guy was a grumpy old man that wouldn't listen to anyone's advice. I was mad that his stubbornness got his soldiers killed. But rape/ coercive sex has a whole other psychological affect. Killing isn't the same type of deep violation of the body. I mean it is common sense. Women in ancient civilizations would literally willingly commit suicide before a war began becuase they didn't want to become raped/sex slaves if their country lost the battle. And especially after they spent the whole episode last time showing how Alexis and the queen's relationship was formed. Almost every-time we've seen her int his anime she thought about Alexis saying stuff like "What would Alexis think of this." And when the scene was happening a tear went down her eye in the beginning so it's pretty clear she was thinking about him while banging that fkcing piece of trash. And then she puts on a strong face and goes through with it like she doesn't give a shit. I already hated the guy anyways because he was such a douche so that kinda made it worse. |
| I don't know why but I actually thought this was a fairly logical outcome from the last episode. Yes, I hated that the scene had to happen right after Theo and Siluca confirm each other's feelings, but it makes sense in context. We know at this point Marrine has given up on being with Alexis. We know she is determined to conquer and bring peace. We know she believes Mirza is a necessary ally. From Mirza's end, I don't honestly think a man like him is concerned about having sex with Marrine. I think he was disappointed in Villar for not walking the path of the conquerer. I think he was impressed with Marrine's ruthlessness but he's concerned about Marrine not being able to follow through on her goal. So he's preempting her by basically stripping her of virginity and making it so she would not have the face to go back to Alexis and give up her ambitions. Yes, that thinking is totally backwards. But given the setting, that's pretty much what he's going for. So I don't think it was a scene done for the sake of just fucking with the audience. There's some shock factor, yes. But if anything I think more highly of this series for this setup, even though I personally really, really hate it. |
Honestly there seems to be a lot of opinions on whether or not the ending was rape. As far as I'm concerned it can't be considered rape. Immoral and undesirable maybe but not rape. If we are to assume rape means a lack of consent then already the argument is settled. She gave full consent and at no point said or otherwise hinted that what was happening needed to stop. If the argument is that it was coercive then I STILL have a problem with that argument because to be coerced implies compelling someone to do something by force, intimidation or by use of authority. None of these apply in this case. 1)If force was used, he would've held her down against her will like the stereotypical rape case. 2)He didn't intimidate her into it either. He gave her an option and she held her head high and said yes. 3)Obviously he has no authority over her so that's out too. She's the LEADER of a faction. She has power, she's not some farm girl or slave. She can be a big girl and say no. She had options and suggesting she didn't is ridiculous. If Miruza was 100% necessary to win the war why the hell wage war in the first place? What were you gonna do if he asked for your head instead of your body? So those are out. No drugs were used either, so she wasn't under any influence. Hmm what does that leave us with? Basically the only argument this is rape is that she didn't like it. But you don't have to like it. Marrine basically decided to use her body as currency. She wanted something, he wanted something, so they struck a deal. The end. It isn't pleasant, I certainly did not enjoy seeing that and wish it didn't happen but no rape occurred. Rape is a serious enough topic that I'd prefer it not be thrown around without thought. Now what I can say this was, was some serious NTR shit. My poor boy Alexis. thepath said: JeffxBrian said: All right..so let me inform you...when you blackmail/coerce someone..say you tell a girl you'll only take her home or drive her home if she sleeps with you. She has the option to walk but she goes through with it but she doesn't want to..that's rape. Coercion doesn't have to be a you only have one choice situation. Coercing..it's like..saying I spent this much on you, now give me sex. Rape doesn't have to be straight sex...say you're having sex and the girl looks uncomfortable and obviously says no nonverbally. You stop. Otherwise you'd just be raping her. The facial expression, the body language, the tears...if you continue, that's called rape. This was forced sex. Look at her expression. I just hope they follow through with some realism and have her experience ptsd or other symptoms raped victims express. She was just sexually violated. What about prostitutes who have sex with their customers, because they are doing it for money and not because they want it. So, do you think that this also "forced sex" ?! Just replace money with "political/military power". This what Marrine did xx_BeastMaster64 said: DROPPED , say no to NTR. Say Yes to NTR ^As for the above. First of all, say NO TO NTR. C'mon we don't need NTR (only in hentai). Prostitute thing is a excellent example except in the case of brothels and girls with pimps who MAKE them do that job. But free prostitutes exists so would you consider that rape? No right because its a transaction between both parties. Prostitute wants money, client wants sex. Marrine wants strength/fighting power from Miruza. Miruza wants to be a dick and screw a pretty girl. However that car example interests me because that is a clear example of rape but that doesn't compare to what happened in this episode. Blackmail is coercion so it's rape. Also if the guy took her out knowing he was her only ride back, that's manipulative and also can be considered rape. But if she's just some chick that asks some random person for a ride and they say sure, but the payment is sex. She should either say yes or no. If she says yes, it's not rape. That's ridiculous. There was a transaction there. (Immoral asf but both parties get what they want.) On a final note: um did they use a condom (do they even have those)? How is it smart to get potentially knocked up by a foreign prince (that didn't swear loyalty!)? I mean where the fuck is the insurance that he's gonna actually help anyway!? Marrine be dumb asf. I feel bad for her but she makes some pretty bad decisions. Either you're team Theo or you lose! Duh. |
InugirlzMar 4, 2018 4:11 PM
| Lol this discussion is still going on. |
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| Can't wait for next weeks episode lmao. |
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| I have read the spoiler so i knew beforehand what was going to happen but it caught me by suprise it happened this soon in the anime, with this pace they are going to adapt all the volumes holy shit. When the princess noticed the Arab dude i started to brace myself for the incoming event. Even more suprised it was so explicit and in your face. |
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| WTF, seems like that dude's rape idea came out of nowhere. I didn't expect this anime to get so dark |
| vanilla fans needs to calm down LOL. Marrine reminds me of a character from Guilty Crown. if i remember it correctly the school student council president did the same/similar with what Marrine did in this episode even though i don't remember why Kuhouin Arisa (the student council president) letting herself F'ed either way Mirza will definitely died later and i feel some kind a dead flag in this episode (not Mirza's death flag but "other" character). i hope it's just my imagination though |
| "... Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled." |
| Theo and Siluca scene was really nice, i loved it. I didnt expect that last scene from Marine, i felt like Marine's personal guards/maids, so painfull to watch :( and all that happens cause of Vilar, will be better him leading Union, but he refused . |
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| The last two episodes really stepped it up in terms of overall impact - was actually about to drop it since the first 7 episodes were really "meh", and the world building wasn't too effective. Thought I'd post here after seeing all the butthurt from whatever happened this episode. Is Marianne a whore? Definitely not. Why? Because she was forced into that position by circumstance, did she have a choice? In terms of her goal of reunifying the whole country, probably not. There shouldn't be any deus ex machina bullshit that offers a magical solution where everyone is happy, this work isn't about that. Ep 8 built up the romeo-juliet like thing between Marianne and Alexis just so that last few minutes of Ep 9 will be that much more heartbreaking. Marianne is a respectable character, she did what she needed to do for her goals, she made the choice between her family honor and Alexis. Sure, it's more beautiful to throw away a whole country for someone you love, romantic - sure, but that's not her character AT ALL. Alexis has conquered her heart through his gentleness. He has melted her cold and ruthless exterior and reach into her maiden heart, and no one can take away from that. In terms of virginity or whatnot, that is nothing in comparison to unification, and finally end up as empress and emperor with Alexis. Did I enjoy those last few minutes? Definitely not, I love Marianne and I'm also a sucker for all Kayano Ai characters. Hopefully we'll see some epic death for the edgelord "I love war/ I only follow the strong", or a insignificant one - suitable for the scum that he is. |
| can't even say a word... that last minutes made me read the discussion.... and nice move theo, love that scenes tho |
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I threw up a little at that ending. Absolutely disgusting, yet realistic.  1/5 |
RailtracksMar 4, 2018 7:19 PM
| If it was a character I actually cared for I'd be ticked but since it was Marrine who's an antagonist no one in their right mind should give two craps about..Tough s*** Not sure why people are getting up in arms...Its not Siluca its not Theo its not Aishela...Its Marrine who was willing to use chemical warfare on people. Next episode pls Also I'm actually rooting for Peter X Aishela as much as Theo and Siluca |
TheGrandSage23Mar 4, 2018 8:26 PM
Paris_dono said: She’s like Cercei from GoT Except Cersei is actual a good and tragic character |
TheGrandSage23 said: Paris_dono said: She’s like Cercei from GoT Except Cersei is actual a good and tragic character which one? from the book? or from the show? cuz let's say for example Jamie: he's written totally different from the book compared to the show... |
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| "your tears are delicious" come on people. the last scene was hard to see, but it a merit from the author /director to make it well, damn! what a episode :clap: luuuuveit! |
gab12431Mar 5, 2018 1:03 AM
| Theo x Siluca ship sailed unexpectedly so fast, and that’s the only good thing about this episode. Thank god I never ship Alexis x Marrine, but poor guy. If Marrine wants a world peace, why on earth she didn’t married the guy?? And instead making another war with dirty tactics and worst of all whoring herself for the sake of her country??? Bullshit! I hope she will get killed. |
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