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Mariklyn said: Only Shaddiq has been doing that what are you talking about? Guel was bitch slapped by the adults and Miorine is dancing on Prospera's hand. Ehh, I still find it ridiculous that teenagers have the power to bully businesses to their will. Maybe one but a whole cast ? Is ridiculous, but this show is doing too much at this point. The inconsistencies are too much to enjoy the show. Maybe it would be different reading the manga/promo,but coming in blind this show has been a disappointment on the Gundam brand. And you are a funny one. So teenagers leading terrorist group/freedom forces that on par in tech and force with the world powers or being leaders of their own factions like in Wing or 00 isnt ridiculous? G Witch is getting so much hate from "Gundam fans" who didnt watch any previous gundam. |
| All this show brings me is pain now.. but its so beautiful 😭😭😭 it hurts to see Suletta go through all this |
-NeMi- said: "repli-chlidren". Not clones. Why would they use such specific terminology? Why are the "clones" exact copies of the first Eri ,down to the gear she is wearing, while Suletta grew up to be different?ssjokg said: If clones are thing in this show and Prospera on her own could make 12 on her own why are other corporations(well just Peil) not using that instead of "adopting" children and having them go under surgery to look the same? It doesnt make sense that Prospera of all people could create clones with no teams, resources or know-how. Oh she also should be making Lfrith into Aerial at the same time. And why would she make clones before Eri dies anyway? Well the clone theory was pretty much explicitly stated in this episode https://imgur.com/a/jTpAsNX As for how Prospera managed it your guess is as good as mine. She would have created Suletta after Eri's death, however. Not before. Suletta was "born" 4 years after the prologue and it seems reasonable to assume Eri died sometime soon after the prologue given her appearance inside the data storm. And in the same ep of the pic you posted we see infant Suletta while Prospera is crying in front of a recently deceased Eri. Prospera has way longer hair than she did in the Prologue. |
ssjokg said: Mariklyn said: Only Shaddiq has been doing that what are you talking about? Guel was bitch slapped by the adults and Miorine is dancing on Prospera's hand. Ehh, I still find it ridiculous that teenagers have the power to bully businesses to their will. Maybe one but a whole cast ? Is ridiculous, but this show is doing too much at this point. The inconsistencies are too much to enjoy the show. Maybe it would be different reading the manga/promo,but coming in blind this show has been a disappointment on the Gundam brand. And you are a funny one. So teenagers leading terrorist group/freedom forces that on par in tech and force with the world powers or being leaders of their own factions like in Wing or 00 isnt ridiculous? G Witch is getting so much hate from "Gundam fans" who didnt watch any previous gundam. Prior to elan being revealed as a clone, he would bud heads with the head of his company. To be clear, I'm referring to the influence the students just have in general. I would understand that if their power was fixated over the school, but it comes off as goofy that some seventeen year old would be able to step in for their father company and shape the "actual" business world. Which I guess is to paint some parallel between child and parent. As for the 00 season, I would rationalize it to child soldiers doing what they can to survive. The earth chick's exemplifies the same sentatiments. Quite frankly, their story seems more interesting than whatever is going on with little red. Still, at the end of the day, the Ole saying stays true. "One man's trash is another man's treasure." |
starkipraggy said: Mariklyn said: Unfortunately, given that the original Gundam was about a bunch of children, of which the oldest was 19, commandeering a cutting edge military ship into singlehandedly ending an interplanetary war, this is a feature of Gundam. (not a bug)Ehh, I still find it ridiculous that teenagers have the power to bully businesses to their will. Maybe one but a whole cast ? Is ridiculous, but this show is doing too much at this point. The inconsistencies are too much to enjoy the show. Maybe it would be different reading the manga/promo,but coming in blind this show has been a disappointment on the Gundam brand. Yeah, but the thing about war is the brutality of a fight. "All is fair in love and war" put simply. I can understand where it is illogical in the sense of having children pilot death machines. My problem steams from applying the same idea within a business context. So how does the show one up the drama? At least with war, they can introduce new weapons to level the playing field. But in a business context, what are they going to do? Hold a strike or tarnish enemy companies image? Because when people don't adhere to the rules of the market, they get ostracized and left behind. |
Mariklyn said: You mean when he was being treated as a tool anyway?Even now they treat 5 as a joke despite making him to be the "leader", according to him anyway.ssjokg said: Only Shaddiq has been doing that what are you talking about? Guel was bitch slapped by the adults and Miorine is dancing on Prospera's hand. And you are a funny one. So teenagers leading terrorist group/freedom forces that on par in tech and force with the world powers or being leaders of their own factions like in Wing or 00 isnt ridiculous? G Witch is getting so much hate from "Gundam fans" who didnt watch any previous gundam. Prior to elan being revealed as a clone, he would bud heads with the head of his company. To be clear, I'm referring to the influence the students just have in general. I would understand that if their power was fixated over the school, but it comes off as goofy that some seventeen year old would be able to step in for their father company and shape the "actual" business world. Which I guess is to paint some parallel between child and parent. As for the 00 season, I would rationalize it to child soldiers doing what they can to survive. The earth chick's exemplifies the same sentatiments. Quite frankly, their story seems more interesting than whatever is going on with little red. Still, at the end of the day, the Ole saying stays true. "One man's trash is another man's treasure." They have no influence whatsoever. When Guel's father died his little brother couldnt do shit except keep the company alive. Guel also didnt manage a thing in this one ep. Miorine as well is just a figurehead so far. So no, it isnt the student, it is just Shaddiq because he alone is THAT good. The Earth chicks are soldiers taking orders from actual adult soldiers or Shaddiq, they are just killers with gundams AND they run low on resources compared to the crew of 00. Stay mad. |
Mariklyn said: Like, what have you been watching in the series so far?starkipraggy said: Unfortunately, given that the original Gundam was about a bunch of children, of which the oldest was 19, commandeering a cutting edge military ship into singlehandedly ending an interplanetary war, this is a feature of Gundam. (not a bug) Yeah, but the thing about war is the brutality of a fight. "All is fair in love and war" put simply. I can understand where it is illogical in the sense of having children pilot death machines. My problem steams from applying the same idea within a business context. So how does the show one up the drama? At least with war, they can introduce new weapons to level the playing field. But in a business context, what are they going to do? Hold a strike or tarnish enemy companies image? Because when people don't adhere to the rules of the market, they get ostracized and left behind. |
| Curious if Eri can project herself multiple times or if the other versions represent clones that didn't come to fruition like Suletta did |
| Oh come on! Another episode ending with Suletta crying? But it's a very nice comparison between Miss Know-it-all pushing her away and Suletta's family forcing her into safety. Miorine just put up a facade, leaving Suletta in the dark and giving her depression, while Eri and Prospera are much more open with her (though not as much as I'd like) and send her to back to safety. And they actually know what to protect her from. Also, I'm very glad to see Prospera actually loves Suletta, even though so many voices tried to prove me wrong. She is actually the only one who considers taking Suletta with them on their adventure. But as she really, really loves Eri, she will follow her decision. Who wouldn't after meeting their daugher again for the first time in 17 years? I'm not sure if it's for better or for worse. I honestly don't know whether I should laugh or cry about Miorine becoming Prospera's pawn for ABSELOUTLY NOTHING! I feel sorry for Suletta about it. But Miorine deserves it for jumping to conclusions. Oh, there was some more politics to fill the episode too. That plot is actually solid too, but pales compared to the Mercury family story. I wanna know how Suletta, Eri and Prospera get caught up in it, but don't care about Earth, Grassley/Shaddiq or Jeturk/Guel themselves very much so far. More so about Peil, but they won't make their move yet. |
ssjokg said: Mariklyn said: You mean when he was being treated as a tool anyway?Even now they treat 5 as a joke despite making him to be the "leader", according to him anyway.Prior to elan being revealed as a clone, he would bud heads with the head of his company. To be clear, I'm referring to the influence the students just have in general. I would understand that if their power was fixated over the school, but it comes off as goofy that some seventeen year old would be able to step in for their father company and shape the "actual" business world. Which I guess is to paint some parallel between child and parent. As for the 00 season, I would rationalize it to child soldiers doing what they can to survive. The earth chick's exemplifies the same sentatiments. Quite frankly, their story seems more interesting than whatever is going on with little red. Still, at the end of the day, the Ole saying stays true. "One man's trash is another man's treasure." They have no influence whatsoever. When Guel's father died his little brother couldnt do shit except keep the company alive. Guel also didnt manage a thing in this one ep. Miorine as well is just a figurehead so far. So no, it isnt the student, it is just Shaddiq because he alone is THAT good. The Earth chicks are soldiers taking orders from actual adult soldiers or Shaddiq, they are just killers with gundams AND they run low on resources compared to the crew of 00. Stay mad. I'm not talking about this episode alone. Just in terms of the show over its arc. From what I understand prior to the appearance of little red, the big three were in a stalement. After Gruel went down, the power structure crumbled, and Shaddai made the best of the situation, but my point is why he is making power moves that have actual consequences for his father company. You mentioned Gruels' brother and how he was struggling to keep the company afloat, but the question remains as to why students are put in situations to run actually companies? Weirdly enough, I don't think they make the distinction if they are attending a business school or if its just a "regular" high school where the head of estates attend like nothing. I'm not really invested in the story as you are, and from my perspective, watching the show the show does not do a good job at conveying the story. It's too convoluted. I'm trying to be fair to the show by sticking it through, but every week, it is getting harder to justify that decision. |
| The cry of Suletta and that ending really makes me feel bad. This is the best anime of this season. Now I need to watch something with hapiness xD |
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DeathCobra said: bossunhimeswitch said: Curious if Eri can project herself multiple times or if the other versions represent clones that didn't come to fruition like Suletta did Eri isn't projecting herself, those are all of her clones. Eri herself said so, that they are all repli-children made from her genes. Thanks, Sometimes it's difficult for me to read the subtitles so I miss details |
| Damn... I didn't expect the show to go that far regarding Suletta's character... not even trying to let her be "free" but directly getting rid of her in space that's what she'll see from her point of view, now any bad evolution from her won't be surprising at all and will be justified for how much it's gonna change her :/ |
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| So finally the truth is out. And Suletta does deserve to be free of all these corporate and war agendas. Now that the story is in its mid point, all kids of groups have been identified. Chuchu is the big sister where Nika has turned Shinji. Bob is now a real Jeturk and Miorine as his assistant. Shaddick is still pompus while Elan real waiting for the throne. Only one unexpected factor came into play and that was Cecilia. CONFESS THY SINS> |
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| Video game dialogue option "This trip is dangerous, have fun at school" Video game spoken dialogue "We dont need you anymore, consider yourself replaced" |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Ah yes, more Suletta pain... |
| it's all part of Suletta's character development |
| Is anyone else understanding the metaphysics or the "science" of the show at all, or are we all just kinda accepting it at surface level because it doesn't really matter? Like wtf is a "data storm" and "GUND-ARM" technology |
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| Aerial be like: i don't want to play with you anymore. now Suletta is free, but at what cost? |
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| Bro I love how they always make the music at the end of the episode seamlessly blend into the ed |
  NYANPASU  whiskey tango foxtrot |
| The last scene from Prospera learning about Suletta being at the station, Suletta being lured to Ariel in that dark hangar, the Eri-Suletta revelation and confrontation, Suletta being ejected by Arial and her mom, to her crying as she drifts in space as the ending theme begins to play was SO FUCKING GOOD. As someone who was annoyed by Suletta's awkwardness in season 1 man do I feel fer her now. Poor thing. |
NightHao said: Except that they arent. Genes are biometrics as well. They al look the same down to the uniform they wear.Man, I always suspected the gunbits were Eri clones, as well as Sulletta herself. This just confirms it. Thats brutal, she's been left behind by everybody. In the end, Elan was pretty on point that they were the same. Elan 4 was a normal kid that was taken from his home and was made into a body double. That's nothing like a clone. |
| I hope Suletta grows from this and we get to see her have a more developed personality now that she's free from her mother and the Gundam @Mariklyn Come on, this is anime. The place were a student council is powerful enough to challenge entire countries. More seriously now, the Japanese public for these kinds of stories doesn't want to see their fiction with a bunch of thirty year olds in the main roles. Above 18? University student? You're oooolllddd....That's just the way it is. And Gundam pilots and important characters have always been kids unless they carry on from one show to another like Char or Haman |
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| these people all have a very weird and fkd up way of showing their love and care for each other |
BetaMaleUltra said: Bro I love how they always make the music at the end of the episode seamlessly blend into the ed ikr I love how the tone of the ending scenes in each episode match and transition into the ED perfectly. It reminds me of how Lycoris Recoil had a similar effect with it's ED, although the tone was completely different. |
| I love how good the show is at matching up characters to show the parallels between them, not to mention all the parellels to scenes from much earlier on in the show. The duel last episode had a lot of parallels to Suletta's first duel with Guel piloting Darilbalde; but this episode has Miorine leaving the station while Suletta is adrift in space, in parallel to Suletta finding Miorine adrift in space when she first arrived at the academy. |
Farabeuf said: I hope Suletta grows from this and we get to see her have a more developed personality now that she's free from her mother and the Gundam @Mariklyn Come on, this is anime. The place were a student council is powerful enough to challenge entire countries. More seriously now, the Japanese public for these kinds of stories doesn't want to see their fiction with a bunch of thirty year olds in the main roles. Above 18? University student? You're oooolllddd....That's just the way it is. And Gundam pilots and important characters have always been kids unless they carry on from one show to another like Char or Haman lol, I guess by your first point, they should rename the show code geass* then. overall, I get the appeal of using younger characters to appeal to the audience. I just have an issue with the context the characters are put in. The prior Gundam series had similar subject matter but didn't make it the focal point of the show. This edition goes more depth than the previous sure, I'm just thinking if the story ends up having the Mc fail just to have her redemption by going "scorch earth." What was the point of introducing the business aspect if they will just use violence to "win." They already shown little red getting away with murder and causing the death of another pilot. In the name of self-defense. But that's just my two cents. |
MariklynMay 22, 2023 5:43 PM
| I see the introduction of a new Gundam suit and Suletta being 86'd by Aerial to be very coincidental. Almost as if it implies that the Gundam frame that needs a pilot and a pilot looking for a reason to pilot one introduced in the same episode is very convenient. It just lines up too nicely don't you all think? Mariklyn said: Behold the power of a family business and nepotism! I don't think it's an inconsistency but more like these characters are absurd and larger than life in this fictional world. It's not like some of the heads in the 3 main branches are respected the moment they take over their father's business. Guel has no track positive track record so his meetings and plans don't go his way, Elan(the real one) despite being a ideal runner-up in the next presidential election was told to be sidelined.Ehh, I still find it ridiculous that teenagers have the power to bully businesses to their will. Maybe one but a whole cast ? Is ridiculous, but this show is doing too much at this point. The inconsistencies are too much to enjoy the show. Maybe it would be different reading the manga/promo,but coming in blind this show has been a disappointment on the Gundam brand. |
| Poor Suletta being left out by the person she trust The kids have change a lot after what happened, now they are more mature and serious |
| This is way too depressing |
| Maybe it’s because I’m in a mental state similar to Suletta, but this episode hit so hard for me especially. Seeing Suletta act cheerful, trying her best to put on a strong face to take her mind off things, but only to see it all crumble in the end. It’s painful, and it was a hard watch for me. I was literally watching this in class & just crying because of how much I felt for her, how much of myself I saw in her, and how powerful it all was. This’s the first time a show’s done this to me in a long time, the way G-Witch captured this feeling of loneliness in Suletta, and a naive resolve to try and move on, was absolutely beautiful and made me appreciate this series all the more. People at Sunrise did an absolutely amazing job this week, may actually be my favorite episode of the year so far. |
rienne_daMay 22, 2023 9:50 PM
| Sakura Matou is best girl in all anime and its not even close |
| I was waiting for Miorine to notice Suletta floating in the space and save her the way Suletta did at the beginning of the story, but it seems like Miorine has already departed from station... |
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