My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
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CutePriest said: When we are growing up we also depend upon others especially our friends and parents. Everyone depend upon someone in their life. Are you trying to say that the moment we are born we become independent and doesn't need anyone's help? After looking at her behavior with Haruno and her family along with some of her conversations with 8man it's clear that her family always neglected her and always thought of her as a substitute. You say it like Haruno always helped her sister when she needed it. During the cultural festival Haruno even says to her she has asked her for help for the first time. Rather it's obvious that no one gave her a helping hand in the past when she needed it. Also no matter how much she hates her family she can't go against her parents after all they raised her and provided her everything that was necessary. She can't throw all that away either, also if if she recklessly does something against her family it will affect the family image as well. She is in a tough spot. We all sometimes run away when we don't know what to do(it's bad but we all do that).None the less she is still trying to figure out some way to solve this mess. It's easy to judge others when you are an outsider and haven't experienced something like that. It seem you liked all the kids in your class. I didn't,there will always be people in your class that you don't like and can't get along with. Do you still have to accept them? It depends on each individual. If you are someone like Hayama you will accept them , if you are someone like Yukino or even Hachiman you won't. Growing up a certain way doesn't define how you act- what about the brainwashed child solders who were a victim of diamond smuggling in africa back in 90's. All the points i stated above states that she is also changing as a person. If you don't see that then it's because of your personal hate for her.[/quote]She hasn't accepted anyone outside of their weird circle of her, Yui, Hikki and Iroha. She is OK with Miura/Hayato group, but is nowhere near accepting of them. Still hates her family, someone wrongs you, YOU tell them. She is allowed to leave alone in a lavish apartment because of the people she hates. There are kids who have been, molested, abused, so on and so forth and still love their parents. I don't accept people playing the victim, who DO NOTHING to change their circumstances. Can you say that Yukino's back story justifies her actions? Does growing up a certain way define how you get to act? She ALWAYS asks for help that's Haruno's problem with her. She just tried to avoid her family gathering/birthday. She got better as a girl for girlfriend material, but not yet as a person or maybe we've been reading/watching something different. Because I dislike her actons, i'm automatically an outsider? You know nothing about my life. I lost a great majority of kids I thought were my friends in middle school when we moved into high school. It was like a terrible movie, the first week of summer, rumors circulated about my BEST FRIEND being gay. That was a SERIOUS thing in my community/group of friends. Yet he was the best at sports, he got girls to come to our games, and he never let anyone go to a fight alone. So I fought for his honor, and he betrayed my trust and friendship. He claimed people thought he was gay because of me, because I just had to be around him. We played on the same teams from 3Rd grade onwards, I met his father something none of the other kids did, going back it hurts that some of my most nostalgic memories include him. He was my BFF, I turned on soooo many people for him, and I got scarred. Yet I didn't get bitter, I didn't resent him. I pitied him, it didn't make me indifferent to people because I got hurt, that's cowardice. I knew deep down he had to be hurt, for hurting me. So I forgave him, sure my story is nothing compared to Yukino's because her family is mean. My family is mean. My father is the black sheep of his family, and my mom is the butt of the jokes, imagine being 4/5 and hearing dreadful words/phrases to describe your parents then looking them up and finding out what they mean. I was told by my aunt when I was 7, that I would never live up to being named "Christian Dior" by my parents and they were idiots for naming me it. Being resented by my cousin's because they were failures and screwups. I was the "golden boy" never had anything lower than a B+ until 10th grade, I played sports, I had friends, I wasn't on the fast track to jail. I was jumped/beat up worse by relatives, then thugs trying to rob me. I could scream and cry victim too, but my soul ain't built that way. Mod Note: I have spoilered the burgeoning quote tower in this post and will remove unnecessary nested quotes in a number of the posts that follow. An impenetrable wall of quotes does not make the debate easier to follow. |
rodacJul 1, 2015 11:50 AM
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
| Well i have a fair share of misfortunes in my life as well. Everybody has them.Does comparing my actions to another person makes me superior? I don't think so because no matter how much i compare myself with that person it doesn't change the fact that we are two different individuals. Also what i am saying is that what every individual does in any situation depends upon that individual. Also i don't think that sometimes depending upon others is bad thing. You had this experience in your life fine and you did your best but does that mean anyone who is trying a different approach is a hypocrite or caword? Also we have yet to see how she will end this conflict. |
rodacJul 1, 2015 11:13 AM
| My experiences made me who I am today. Does what I feel matter to the author or Yukino I doubt it, but that's how I feel. I cannot accept certain things and i'm not always right, yet I know I'm not omnipotent/god so I don't fret over what I can't change. I do however get upset with people who act like they have no choice in what they can change. My uncle took his life, it's a situation that has created cognitive dissonance within me. I believe he was courageous for being able to do it, but slightly a coward for doing it. In jest I don't have all the answers, but I wasn't allowed by myself to be a victim, so I can't accept the fawning of Yukino being a misunderstood victim. She has had to deal with alot, yet you are who you want to become. I hope she changes MORE for the better IMO |
rodacJul 1, 2015 11:13 AM
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
| You are just proving my point. Being self righteous and proud of the the decisions we made in our life which makes us who we are today is good but neglecting others approach is wrong. Suicide is not the only option people take. I myself don't look at her as a victim. Till now she has never asked anybody for help rather others have helped her(Yui and 8man for cultural festival event). She is trying to reach for an answer for herself(her conversation with 8man in volume 9) it's not like she doing nothing and just depending upon others to do things. Also i don't think 8man's role is of her knight who saves her. The way Oregairu realistically tackles social problems i am certain that finding the answer will be decided by her own actions, how she stands upand how she approaches the family mess. 8man will at most act as a person who encourages her. |
rodacJul 1, 2015 11:14 AM
| I don't neglect others approach, I may not agree, but that doesn't mean I don't take it into consideration. I however will not deny my decisions because they made things better for ME. My main problem is with how they handled the confession scene. Yukino/Yuigahama didn't explain to Hikigaya why it was wrong, just attacked him and his ways. I just have certain pet peeves about certain scenes, no matter WHERE it goes from here, some things are still jacked up about the way EVERYONE treats Hikigaya. |
rodacJul 1, 2015 11:15 AM
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
Yondy375 said: I don't neglect others approach, I may not agree, but that doesn't mean I don't take it into consideration. I however will not deny my decisions because they made things better for ME. My main problem is with how they handled the confession scene. Yukino/Yuigahama didn't explain to Hikigaya why it was wrong, just attacked him and his ways. I just have certain pet peeves about certain scenes, no matter WHERE it goes from here, some things are still jacked up about the way EVERYONE treats Hikigaya. They did not tell 8man where he went wrong directly but thats one of the themes of the series isnt it?8man once said that 70 percent of communication comes from body language.This series makes the viewers think deeper and observe their smaller actions instead of spoon feeding us. |
rodacJul 1, 2015 11:16 AM
GrandTemplar said: Templar Any preview pics for episode 12? Spyro hasn't uploaded anytl;dr I hate long quotes. Yuigahama is like Hayama, she do what are people expect. She can't say what she thinks about 8man. She's a normie who wants to do her best for friends. For Yukino, she wants to be flawless girl just like her sister. She might can't endure being compared with her sister. That's why she want to surpass her sister. It's not easy to tell someone what you think about her/him, especially your feelings. Yuigahama and Yui are not esper. They can't predict what kind of reaction will happen if they pour their bias into 8man's mind, of course, they try to avoid being biased. They afraid if they make a small mistake, it will ruin their friendship, that's why silent is golden, they have to wait right moment to tell their feelings. Just wait what will happen in the next episode. Will Yui suffer? What will 8man do when he faces a dilemma? What kind decision that Yukino make? Grab you waifu's google and wait. |
CutePriest said: GrandTemplar said: Templar Any preview pics for episode 12? Spyro hasn't uploaded anytl;dr I hate long quotes. Yuigahama is like Hayama, she do what are people expect. She can't say what she thinks about 8man. She's a normie who wants to do her best for friends. For Yukino, she wants to be flawless girl just like her sister. She might can't endure being compared with her sister. That's why she want to surpass her sister. It's not easy to tell someone what you think about her/him, especially your feelings. Yuigahama and Yui are not esper. They can't predict what kind of reaction will happen if they pour their bias into 8man's mind, of course, they try to avoid being biased. They afraid if they make a small mistake, it will ruin their friendship, that's why silent is golden, they have to wait right moment to tell their feelings. Just wait what will happen in the next episode. Will Yui suffer? What will 8man do when he faces a dilemma? What kind decision that Yukino make? Grab you waifu's google and wait. |
PrevE said: They did not tell 8man where he went wrong directly but thats one of the themes of the series isnt it?8man once said that 70 percent of communication comes from body language.This series makes the viewers think deeper and observe their smaller actions instead of spoon feeding us. It's like you're not reading what i'm saying. They attack his methods which is his way of life. He is only doing what he knows, right or wrong this is the life he has chosen after the events in his life. Everyone fights for the girls feelings/reasons for doing things. While Hikki is always wrong, or at fault. Yet the girls are allowed to be OVERLY selfish. They understand him most, yet his feelings are only thought about AFTER there's. That's not love or friendship. It's so hard for them to talk to Hikki unless they are assaulting his lifestyle. Hikki doesn't blatantly point out therefailures/shortcomings. They KNOW he is going to sacrifice himself. I'm sorry i've never not been able to say, what I needed to say. I am not someone who can easily speak untruthful or irrelevant statements. I was told as a child "a closed mouth doesn't get feed", and not to say things you don't mean because words hold weight. |
rodacJul 1, 2015 11:18 AM
| Dr. Sheldon Cooper " It is no way to make new humans. People coming out of people. Some kind of dirty magic show. |
| Sht, after that scene I might have to jump ships lol I still find Hayato and Haruno's relationship weird for whatever reason. |
| MY HEART I ship Hikki and Yukinon so much that it hurts Theyre so good for each other this episode just made it so clear |
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| why would yukino choose the liberal arts when she was supposed to pick science. when yui heard it she has somewhat read those lines. i have a feeling that yukino was following hachiman. by whatever reason i am not certain |
| internet is a cruel mistress |
| Hachiman getting more girl's love :D |
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| So much about friendship in this episode from characters who don't act friendly. Some good things like the infirmary and Hachiman running a marathon. Otherwise, just an "okay" episode ....the first of two seasons that I consider that low. Just points out what a bit of a roller coaster this series can be. |
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| Hard to pick any of girls.... First world problems hayzzzzzzz |
| Life is a song - sing it. Life is a game - play it. Life is a challenge - meet it. Life is a dream - realize it. Life is a sacrifice - offer it. Life is love - enjoy it. |
| I really really hope there isn't an anime original ending. I can't imagine there will be though, it just doesn't make sense. It feels like they are hinting at a lot of stuff that the characters still need to deal with that will be dealt with later and there is no way that can all be resolved in 2 episodes. Also I really need a season 3. Anyways I'm glad we've been getting more Yukinon with Hachiman lately. I feel like Yukinon and Yui are both good for him for different reasons, but I am deffinetly leaning towards Yukinon. They both understand each other well and I think she needs someone like that. I wonder if he will get with either of them at all in the end though? I can see him choosing to remain alone to preserve their relationships and to not hurt anyone. Seems like there has been a lot of foreshadowing of this. There has been a lot of discussion of whether it is better to chose and confront or to to keep everything the same through out this season. One thing he said that sticks out to me is "If I were to receive what I wanted back then, it would probably wither away. I think I'll just keep wanting." On the other hand though in the end he may finally break character and do something for himself for once instead of sacrificing his own happiness for the sake of others like he has been doing this whole time. He might finally learn that his own happiness is just as important at the happiness of others. Also acting in a way to prevent change even if it means hiding the truth is very Hayato and Hachiman seems to pride himself on not being like Hayato. Anyways, it felt good to hear Hayato say that he feels inferior to Hachiman. Also I thoroughly enjoyed this:  They just seem like they are perfect for each other. One is a creepy loser while the other is the most attractive and intelligent girl in the school. But they are both loners and struggle socially and share similar perspectives on society. On is a loner because he has an unattractive personality, is socially awkward, unremarkeable, and lacks any visible talents. The other is a loner because she is so pretty and so talented that she is shunned and pushed away from feelings of envy and jealousy. But they both understand each other so well. Ugh I don't want this season to end. We better get a season 3 and it better be fast. |
| Slaine did nothing wrong. |
| Hmm it feels to me that things were simplified here? I mean i dont really get what was 'resolved' at the end... Anyway, that Hachiman x Yukinon scene, kyaaaa <33  I was screaming "lean forward lean forward!!!" XD  And judging from Yuigahama's reaction, I think she saw that moment lol |
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| Episode that is still going in the right direction, the atmosphere traces in full that I expected from this second season of Oregairu. Increasingly convinced that the first part of the TV series was a huge mistake, burying part of this second season. Drawings and animations that discrete, the characters are more characterization, but I preferred the less component loving; for me it is still too early to talk about this subject. |
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| I think the cruelest part of this episode was when Hayama gave a shout-out to Miura as he accepted the winners crown for the marathon. He really isn't a nice person as he admitted to Hachiman several times. Based on how they have dealt with things thus far, that soft light-washed scene in the infirmary only fills me with foreboding. I can't believe it will be this simple for either Hachiman or Yukino. |
Please don't feed the trolls! In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student carrying a piece of toast in her mouth...rodac |
| Yeah, we hate you too, Hayato.. We all hate you too xD |
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| Looks like the romantic comedy may turn into something romantic, what a plot twist~ Besides that nothing I can possible add, the discussions about this show are always so intense. |
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| Lots of Hayato insight in this episode, he doesn't want to choose because he doesn't want to hurt and distance others with his choice. In the end Hayato seems perfect, but in reality he is the kind of guy who doesn't want to hurt anyone. In turn he may end up isolating everyone. In comparison I feel Hikigaya is the opposite. He is willing to hurt others to achieve things they want. In turn he is friendless except for the few people who know his true nature. Some development between Hikigaya and Yukino too. The start of the romcom has finally hit. That nurse office scene was very cute. It's clear feelings exist between the two, but I don't think there is room for three. Poor Yui, she is the glue for the two but she could never take everything. |
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| A bit of an interesting episode, but with two remaining episodes I really wonder how this show will end. |
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| Man...Hachiman and Hayato have a really interesting relationship, don't they? Awesome episode. |
| For a short moment I thought hayato was being cool and I was shipping him and Yukino, but I changed my mind... |
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| Holy shit...! I ship Yui, and now Yukino is just taking over. GODDAMN. |
| Dat 8man x Yukino scene tho. I bet Yui probably saw them behind the door which would explain why she looks nervous. I wonder how will the anime end with either the Yukino or Yui ending. My guess is it will end up as a neutral ending with 8man not yet in the romantic route with the both of them. On another note, I wasn't expecting Hayato to confirm he basically feels inferior to 8man. I never liked Hayato's character from the start but this episode provided some nice insight about him. I feel some sympathy for him being always the popular guy having to deal with all this drama. |
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| lol at the infirmary scene when they bend over, I yelled: KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS! and when Hachiman blenched, I yelled: BAKA BAKA BAKA BAKA BAKA BAKA! that's basically the summary of this episode for me |
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 Doesn't her head look way big? oooh love triangle. Seriously though no one's gonna take business administration? management? anyone? Damn. |
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| The Hikigaya x Yukinon ship is strong in this episode. |
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| Iroha acting cutesy appeal again sickens me!!! I missed seeing Saika Totsuka so much! hhhnnggggg!!!!!!! Blonde bitch really ticks me off! DAMN! just a few more inch and they would've kissed! And we know that Yuigahama lied about "just got there", just look at her a bit saddened face, she's at the door all the time! felling jellyjelly. 5/5. |
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The sound of heartbreak heard around the world. . . . |
| OMG, i need one kiss T.T #teamYUKINO |
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| just kiss already :D |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| Another Amazing Episode! |
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| Well I don't like Hayama either, he seems really fake to me. |
| What happened to episode 10's cliffhanger? Or did I understand wrong? They cut off before Yukinoshita said anything and got straight into it... I assume it was as simple as her choosing to leave? That aside, Yukinoshita really does look like she will "win". Which is sad because I've been team Yui but, eh, can't win them all. I'm hoping for a conclusion that makes the stories of all the characters complete, given that we've had that extra time for Yumiko, Ebina, Hayama, Iroha... Also I can't tell wha this decision between liberal arts or sciences is. Is it choice in College? Why is it given that they must choose 1 of the 2? And I thought they were in their second year, not their third? Well, hopefully that becomes clear soon... |
| I totally love the conflict between Hachiman and Hayato, both of them are completely different, and yet they ended up being jealous of some of each other's qualities. There is also the thing, that he likes someone whose name starts with "Y", but I still think it's about Haruno. Also, sadly, this ep convinced me that Yui has pretty much no chance against Yukino :< Hachiman is clearly a lot more into her, even though she doesn't have that many appearances compared to Yui-chan... |
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| Super satisfied with this episode and the direction it took, but also sad that it's all coming to an end soon :'( |
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