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| Goku + bad writers who don't know how a spirit bomb works = spirit bomb black hole spirit bomb black hole + energy/stamina drained Goku = powered up new form Goku new form goku = base form goku + white/blue aura + pupils....  oh lets not forget that Black = Pink  On an unrelated note about designing a character and giving them a new transformation that works well with the lore/canon of the show and isn't just a new color scheme |
MCA5EYOct 8, 2017 10:00 AM
| I'll give my full thoughts on another day but whoa what a special. I think these episodes might just have surpassed episode 66 as the best animated episodes in all of Super. On another note RIP SSJ3. |
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MCA5EY said: Goku + bad writers who don't know how a spirit bomb works = spirit bomb black hole You don't know how a spirit bomb works. It was never said that good-hearted people could not be hurt by the spirit bomb. It just stated that evil people CAN'T counter it (and kid Buu did anyway). And do you even know what a black hole is and how it happens? Because it seems you don't. spirit bomb black hole + energy/stamina drained Goku = powered up new form Goku new form goku = base form goku + white/blue aura + pupils... This isn't a form. This is a state.. oh lets not forget that Black = Pink When a god uses god ki, it's rose/pink/violet. When a mortal uses god ki, it's blue. They explained this long ago. On an unrelated note about designing a character and giving them a new transformation that works well with the lore/canon of the show and isn't just a new color scheme Get the fuck out of here with this GT diarrhea. |
SirLezardOct 8, 2017 10:43 AM
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
| Damn, this episode was amazing. The first thing DBS has given us that's on par with some of DBZ's best moments. His new form is probably one of the coolest Gokus I've seen. Now I'm almost tempted to raise my rating by at least 1 point, lol. |
| I actually enjoyed this two episode special. I'm a bit surprised. Second half was much weaker minus the neat transformation, though. I did like Frieza's part in the end. |
Hitesh_Ghugtyal said: Well honestly speaking, the point is that logic never works in long running anime like dragon ball, naruto, bleach etc. They are full of plotholes and sometimes few things doesn't make any sense but still fans watch it and enjoy it. Just like during future trunks arc they fucked up power scaling and during beerus arc they gave goku a healing kinda power if you remember correctly but he never used it again. So long story short, this anime is full of plotholes and it's better not to point out small details everytime. Yeah but it's still possible to give some logic to Dragon Ball Super, and there you have the manga. It is not perfect either but certain things are better explained than how the anime did. |
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| This is the best 2 episodes of DBS for me, the others from Black Arc and Hit vs Goku in the 1st tournament |
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| Haha frieza is always amusing to see. He always got funny remarks every now and then lol What's shall the new form goku called!?? It's like surpassing god of destruction's power + genkidama so Super Saiyan Genkidama God Goku or smth!?? Jiren was a pure monster omg, even Goku with his new awakened power couldn't really do significant damage aside from few punches/kicks |
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| I thought there was a "no flying" rule in the tournament, but Goku and Jiren were fighting mid-air during the whole episode... |
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Floyd said: Yeah i totally agree that they should give some logic to anime just like manga cz manga is much better than anime and it's only because of difference in creativity, ideas and efforts of different individuals. Toyotarou is doing a great job in making the manga successful and don't forget that manga is being done under direct supervision of Toriyama. Now i really don't care about plotholes in anime cz Super has been senseless most of the time, and now I'm just enjoying what they are showing.Hitesh_Ghugtyal said: Well honestly speaking, the point is that logic never works in long running anime like dragon ball, naruto, bleach etc. They are full of plotholes and sometimes few things doesn't make any sense but still fans watch it and enjoy it. Just like during future trunks arc they fucked up power scaling and during beerus arc they gave goku a healing kinda power if you remember correctly but he never used it again. So long story short, this anime is full of plotholes and it's better not to point out small details everytime. Yeah but it's still possible to give some logic to Dragon Ball Super, and there you have the manga. It is not perfect either but certain things are better explained than how the anime did. |
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| Best 2 episodes (109 & 110) of all DBS and Jiren is OP asf, nerf pls lol ahahaha |
| Freeza is definitely referring to the part when Goku shared his energy with him on Namek... He was looking so malicious but I don't think he wants to kill Goku. He got something bigger planned. Whether it makes sense or not, I loved Goku's new transformation. Hoping to see more of it in the future. Also, can someone eliminate Ribrianne already? She's so damn annoying. |
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| Everyone complaining that Gokus transformation was an ass-pull. Yet when Caulifla and Kale transformed for no reason no one complained. The sayains are an ever evolving race. They will continue to transform and evolve till they die. Just how it is. I think everyone should just be glad that the new transformation didn't mean Goku was assured a win. Really it seemed to phase the GOD's more than it did Jiren. |
| Yay another new uninspired boring saiyan transformation to add to the mix(they really should have stopped at super saiyan 3). 2/5 |
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| its not even a new saiyan transformation lol that ultra instinct can be unlocked by any race it seems but only few can do it |
Maitoz said: Space-Majin said: If only his new transformation wasn't an asspull, this episode would be a 10/10 for me. It doesn't matter if Frieza gave him "evil energy", because unless the target is evil it won't work. Goku was going to use the Spirit Bomb anyway, with or without Frieza. Frieza's energy alone wouldn't do anything against the likes of Jiren. The transformation itself was hype, the fighting/animation was great, the music was REALLY good. At least he didn't win against Jiren, that made the asspull more bearable. Still a great episode I guess in the end. Hit vs Jiren should be really good too. I think we are all wrong, Im sure you can use the Spirit Bomb against good people, its just energy after all, Good hearted people are gonna have it way easier to deflect but it doesnt mean that you cant get hit by it, and it was bigger this time because all the fighters have alot of energy here instead of earth which are just weaklings and plants. Or Since Goku knew he had no chance to win he just used his best move to try to win hoping Jiren had some evil inside him. Lets be Honest if you cant win and youre about to get eliminated, Why not use your best Move? Goku isnt gonna waste time trying to find out if Jiren has some evil or not. Back in Dragon Ball Z Kai, episode 16, Goku said that people that aren't evil can repel the technique. Nothing Jiren did so far indicates that he is evil, so all he needs to do is put his hand out to block and the technique shouldn't work, no matter what. The spirit bomb isn't just energy, it's PURE energy. It is meant to destroy evil. Unless they showed signs of Goku hoping Jiren was evil in the anime, then that is just your headcanon, nothing more. |
| Nice, I think Frieza is going to give his energy to Goku just like Goku gave his energy to save Frieza in Namekkusei. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| @Tony_SansNom we've gotten red, yellow, blue, blue & red, and pink... all that's left is orange, green, and purple yet when you see a transformation that involves the great ape transformation that's literally the first thing we learn about saiyan lore combined with turning into a super saiyan, which turns into a design that involves both, your first instinct is to write it off.. and here we are the rainbow saiyans correction: Broly and Kale are technically green.. so yeah we just need purple and orange to complete this lazy transformation rainbow |
| GT is a trash spinoff, and should be ignored. Everything within GT should be considered false within the context of the rest of Dragon Ball. Some are saying that Freiza might give some of his energy to Goku. If anyone remembers, Goku gave his energy to Freiza so that Freiza could escape Namek, although Freiza tried to take advantage of it to destroy Goku but failed. Rather than revenge, he might be literally returning the favor. |
ReguIus said: Pretty amazing episode. Knew everything that was going to happen but still exciting to see. I wonder what Frieza is trying to do to Goku. Let's just hope Frieza returns the energy he owes Goku from back in Namek Wow, that's a really cool point you made. Didn't think about that... We all thought he'll do something bad but Maybe he will refuel Goku |
shananyan said: doea anyone know that hype song is? Goku vs Jiren Insert Song title: 究極の聖戦/“Ultimate Battle” by ZENTA https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/7512u3/goku_vs_jiren_insert_song_title_%E7%A9%B6%E6%A5%B5%E3%81%AE%E8%81%96%E6%88%A6ultimate/ |
| Story-wise it's fine I guess. Atmosphere actually felt aight for once. But I'll be damned if those weren't the edgiest power-up and battle sequences of all time lmao. Audio/visual effects and designs this ep all came straight out of some rando fanfic. I do like the direction 110 will take the plot in tho. Frieza prob gonna help him obtain access to Ultra Instinct by simulating however Goku resisted/broke through his own energy. If the animation quality doesn't fall back on amateur studios again, and we don't get another ~108 eps of filler in-between, show might actually earn a fond remembrance. Which isn't something I could've said before this. Really hoping for some actually nice and memorable scenes between Goku/Frieza and Hit/Vegeta and that they'll try tie up the series soon here; while the sudden jump in their allotted visual fireworks budget might give the illusion of promise, that alone isn't gonna help it's case as an otherwise awful cashgrab. 0 trust in the studios to keep a decent vibe running any longer than 10 eps in a row qq, but would love for DB to just end its long lifespan on a good note. Super has sullied DB's legacy enough as is. Maybe convert a mega slimmed down version of the tournament arc and buildup into a movie and call it a day...which'll never happen, but would be ideal ;; |
ECHOnceOct 8, 2017 10:56 PM
Slim_Lamie said: LuZeke said: the whole "in some universe there exists a mortal that can defeat a God of Destruction" bit was just dumb. Dumb not because they said it, but dumb because of when they said it. It would've been much more effective to have Whis, or anyone, voice that "legend", or whatever, at the start of the tournament. It would have reinforced the idea that Jiren is basically Dragon Ball Saitama, and is bored because no one is even remotely a challenge anymore. But nah, make it an asspull and throw it out when he's actually going to fight Goku. At the beginning of the tournament they already said that there is a mortal who is stronger than the gods of destruction. They didn't go into details, but it was mentioned sometime. --- The episodes were really epic, but the logic behind the power-up disappointed me. I expected SSB kaioken 20x to be more epic, that he'd say "fuck it", and he pushes his kaioken to the max, as another epic cornerstone. Anyways, this solution was fine, showing how powerful Jiren is, by saying Goku was already using kaioken 20x. Then about the genki dama; So anyone can raise their hands to give power to the genki dama, but they didn't clarify on something; What did Beerus and Whis react seeing Goku using it? Did they raise their hands too? I would have been really interested in seeing them raising their hands or refusing, and to see what difference it could make. The 2nd episode had a surprising amount of talk, and attempts to explain things, but it wasn't enough. Okay, he has ultra instincts. Okay, it was something to do with genki dama, but even the explanation of Whis didn't make much sense. He also emphasized that he has no idea about Goku's aura, though. I understand that Dragon Ball is about fight, and I've never really watched it for a plot with epic twists, and reasoning, but I'd be happy to see more proper explanations. Anyways, I hope we can see more episodes like this in the future, and that we get a better explanation for this form a bit later. Especially that "heat" even Whis couldn't explain. It made sense, the spirit bomb was going to destroy Goku, but Goku using all his strength to survive pushed him passed his limit to a new level. You see, the very action of pushing to all your limits helps you achieve higher levels of power. It's like gaining more stamina, after going through a grueling distance workout, you'll be able to go further next time. Likewise, it's the same with Goku, the spirit bomb was like highly strenuous time chamber workout that could result in death, we know those are workouts that strengthen. Afterwards, the spirit powered him in his newly gained heightened form, as he didn't have any more energy of his own from using all it to survive. |
800MEricOct 9, 2017 7:04 AM
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akiba-kei said: Space-Majin said: It's unsatisfying because it's bad writing. I enjoyed everything else, but bad writing is bad writing. It doesn't have to be intellectual to have a good plot, it just has to make sense. This type of reasoning is just braindead and allows the creators of the show to pull random shit out of their ass because they know simple-minded folks like yourself will eat that shit up. Fairy-Tail is a prime example of this. If you want to shut off your brain, go ahead, but don't tell others who have reasonable complaints not to talk about it. Lol, well said. People with zero neurons and just watch anime for fun should just STFU. DBS is becoming jsut a flashy anime, coherencies doesn't matter anymore. Goku wasn't supposed to use Kaioken x 10 anymore coz his ki would go unstable and his body wouldn't resist. The Genkidama only working with evil people, etc. New transformation is an asspull, yeah. DBS is deviating from everything the previous show and manga have created. I think the author of the DBS Manga know this and is trying so hard to fill the holes the anime does which is why is better. Period. It's a shonen fighting anime, there's no attempts to write a compelling story. Rather it's purely a cash grab that tries to be entertaining. I think it accomplishes that, so it doesn't make much sense to complain about the writing as that isn't the selling point of the show, only the fights with some compelling story is needed. There's issues with the story of course, but the explanation for it made sense, it was teased months ago, and the manga isn't all that superior to the anime. There's glaring plot holes, while the scaling makes no sense in it. All in all, it's just a fun anime to watch for the fights. If you want to watch something purely for masterful story telling, go watch LoTGh or Trust & Betrayal, not all shows are done to have masterful story telling, at times it's just the spectacle, which is what DBS is about. |
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| Good fight, although I could use some more explanation for what exactly Ultra Instinct is/does. PS: It's never stated that the Spirit Bomb only affects evil people. |
| Memorable episode |
| Lol, if Frieza gave his energy again to heal Goku, he might've been more useful ally than Vegeta have ever been in this whole tournament. |
| Pretty dope. Hyped for Hit vs Jiren, looks one sided but there's not enough good 3rd party fights in anime so I'll take it. Plus Hit is the kind of cool customer it's hard to even picture getting stomped, and if he does it will have some unique entertainment value. |
| Vegeta need to learn the Ultra Instinct fast, I wanna see Ultra Instinct Gogeta. |
| I fucking loved this episode holy shit. Especially the animaiton towards the end, I was already expecting this smooth style animation just like they did a couple of times in the Future Trunks arc. But combined with the quality of the animation it was just even better. The POV and camera angle tricks were also really satisfying and showing the agility, speed and responsiveness of Ultra Instinct. Also, Goku looks and sounds really badass.  |
That shot was really cool. IMO the best in this episode. Too bad that most of this fight was quite static. Freeza rape face at the end. :D |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
Cuko2001 said: He didn't have horns genius. That was a portion of the halo.DID ANYONE NOTICE WHY FRIEZA HAD HORNS ON THE LAST PART? !!!! WHEN she was in the ayer life or hell, Bacl in the old days they said Bad people feed on anger, which means that frieza was getting stronger while there, WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE TO BOTICE THIS?!!! |
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