RobertBobert said: ColourWheel said: Then they are going to have to learn to adapt to their new conditions or find a new ways to "start" their careers. Well, if the site really dies or goes out of business, it will at least significantly disrupt the indie web manga market. I don't know of any other resources that give the green light to promising twitter and pixiv creators to start their official series. You have heard the saying "life isn't fair" before. In high school in the early 90s I was part of an indie band that was trying to get it's start. Every local venue we played at for almost 3 months straight each week we sold the house out because of the way we promoted our band. Suddenly the local radio station stopped their indie segment to help new upstarts spread their music on the local air waves and help promote where to see them play. We suddenly stopped having shows that we played at fill up and our fanbase eventually dwindled down to the same 12 punk rockers showing up to our shows who didn't even like us. This eventually lead to the band breaking up. Looking back at it we should have not relied on that one local radio station so much and done more traditional ways to promote the band but we didn't. Careers are only really started when one actually has a cemented success in extremely competitive fields. Anything else is just a dream that never really truly came true. |
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RobertBobert said: Short_Circut said: Then as I mentioned in the og post, this isn't even a full nsfw ban. Just a ban on some more niche nsfw topics for a specific part of pixiv (paid services) so nothing of value is really lost. you can still post your takagi-san or gakuen babysitters porn or whatever other shit people make porn out of lmao, just can't get money out of it. But wasn't most of this content published for money? As far as I know, most of the borderline hentai on twitter are drawn as paid commissions. Are they? idk I'm not well informed on the hentai stockmarket but the aforementioned series' you search them on pixiv (free) you pretty much only get porn from them |
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Short_Circut said: RobertBobert said: But wasn't most of this content published for money? As far as I know, most of the borderline hentai on twitter are drawn as paid commissions. Are they? idk I'm not well informed on the hentai stockmarket but the aforementioned series' you search them on pixiv (free) you pretty much only get porn from them I don't know, free hentai sites are usually full of collections of originally paid pixiv and twitter illustrations from various authors. In this regard, they lose only to hentai doujinshi scans. ColourWheel said: RobertBobert said: Well, if the site really dies or goes out of business, it will at least significantly disrupt the indie web manga market. I don't know of any other resources that give the green light to promising twitter and pixiv creators to start their official series. You have heard the saying "life isn't fair" before. In high school in the early 90s I was part of an indie band that was trying to get it's start. Every local venue we played at for almost 3 months straight each week we sold the house out because of the way we promoted our band. Suddenly the local radio station stopped their indie segment to help new upstarts spread their music on the local air waves and help promote where to see them play. We suddenly stopped having shows that we played at fill up and our fanbase eventually dwindled down to the same 12 punk rockers showing up to our shows who didn't even like us. This eventually lead to the band breaking up. Looking back at it we should have not relied on that one local radio station so much and done more traditional ways to promote the band but we didn't. Careers are only really started when one actually has a cemented success in extremely competitive fields. Anything else is just a dream that never really truly came true. Hah, I have a lot of friends in amateur metal bands, so I'm pretty familiar with it. From situations where you can dream about the first album for years to when you have already released 5 or 6 albums, but still no one except your friends knows about you. I think this problem is similar with Netflix. You just need someone who is willing to give you a chance, even if your talent is hard to spot the first time or your content is too original. At the moment, Pixiv is the best choice. |
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| Every single time, it's those in power living out these unspeakable evils to real children while lambasting those of us who just enjoy some edgy hentai in their spare time. Twitter was similarly turning a blind eye to the creation and spread of child abuse content until recently as well (and YouTube before that). They don't give a shit about drawing lines between reality & fiction. They're only cracking down because they got caught. "Call the FBI, this guy is a lolicon!" Oh right, the FBI is the biggest pedophile network in the world. |
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RobertBobert said: ColourWheel said: You have heard the saying "life isn't fair" before. In high school in the early 90s I was part of an indie band that was trying to get it's start. Every local venue we played at for almost 3 months straight each week we sold the house out because of the way we promoted our band. Suddenly the local radio station stopped their indie segment to help new upstarts spread their music on the local air waves and help promote where to see them play. We suddenly stopped having shows that we played at fill up and our fanbase eventually dwindled down to the same 12 punk rockers showing up to our shows who didn't even like us. This eventually lead to the band breaking up. Looking back at it we should have not relied on that one local radio station so much and done more traditional ways to promote the band but we didn't. Careers are only really started when one actually has a cemented success in extremely competitive fields. Anything else is just a dream that never really truly came true. Hah, I have a lot of friends in amateur metal bands, so I'm pretty familiar with it. From situations where you can dream about the first album for years to when you have already released 5 or 6 albums, but still no one except your friends knows about you. I think this problem is similar with Netflix. You just need someone who is willing to give you a chance, even if your talent is hard to spot the first time or your content is too original. At the moment, Pixiv is the best choice. The Band I was in back then wasn't even a metal or punk band. I was in a Jazz band. But the people who kept showing up to our shows mostly consisted of a bunch of stupid ass punk rockers trying to moshing to our music each week simply because one of the members wrote one song that actually used distorted guitar riffs. We even wrote a cover of "Smells like teen spirit" using disco bass lines and saxophone replacing guitar riffs. |
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ColourWheel said: RobertBobert said: Hah, I have a lot of friends in amateur metal bands, so I'm pretty familiar with it. From situations where you can dream about the first album for years to when you have already released 5 or 6 albums, but still no one except your friends knows about you. I think this problem is similar with Netflix. You just need someone who is willing to give you a chance, even if your talent is hard to spot the first time or your content is too original. At the moment, Pixiv is the best choice. The Band I was in back then wasn't even a metal or punk band. I was in a Jazz band. But the people who kept showing up to our shows mostly consisted of a bunch of stupid ass punk rockers trying to moshing to our music each week simply because one of the members wrote one song that actually used distorted guitar riffs. We even wrote a cover of "Smells like teen spirit" using disco bass lines and saxophone replacing guitar riffs. You were like Cobain, who wanted to make social messages, but after gaining popularity, people came to their concerts just to having fun? |
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RobertBobert said: ateks said: Loli idols are still popular and they are certainly not banned, tf you talking about? Pixiv banning loli content has nothing to do with Japanese mentality, they are simply getting pressured by American companies and don't want to lose profit. I'm talking about that infamous teen gravure idol phenomenon that was eventually banned due to systematic complaints from the west. Those are real children, not lolis. |
Short_Circut said: RobertBobert said: But wasn't most of this content published for money? As far as I know, most of the borderline hentai on twitter are drawn as paid commissions. Are they? idk I'm not well informed on the hentai stockmarket but the aforementioned series' you search them on pixiv (free) you pretty much only get porn from them The hentai market on Pixiv was massive if you want to know, same with Skeb. |
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ateks said: RobertBobert said: I'm talking about that infamous teen gravure idol phenomenon that was eventually banned due to systematic complaints from the west. Those are real children, not lolis. One way or another, over time, Japan very much "tightened the screws" under the pressure of Western moral guards and local activists increasing their influence. Until recently, BL artists directly told Japanese gays that their manga is for women, but now famous BL mangakas are publicly apologizing to their gay friends for "fetishized representation". |
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| I doubt it can stop the production of loli hentai completely as the demand will persist. It is very unfortunate bad content was shared on their platform, but the baby should not get thrown out with the bath water. I knew pixiv would go woke when they had a article about expanding diversity. |
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RobertBobert said: ColourWheel said: The Band I was in back then wasn't even a metal or punk band. I was in a Jazz band. But the people who kept showing up to our shows mostly consisted of a bunch of stupid ass punk rockers trying to moshing to our music each week simply because one of the members wrote one song that actually used distorted guitar riffs. We even wrote a cover of "Smells like teen spirit" using disco bass lines and saxophone replacing guitar riffs. You were like Cobain, who wanted to make social messages, but after gaining popularity, people came to their concerts just to having fun? Personally I wasn't that serious about the band. All I did was play the bass. It was mostly my acquaintance who played the guitar and the guy who was our singer that I didn't know that well who were the most serious about wanting to make it big. The only people I was really good friends with were the Drummer and the Sax player. The Drummer Dave was the guy who brought us all together and wrote all of our original songs. After the last show we ever played My friend Dave got into an argument with the guitarist because we were suddenly being pressured by our singer to start writing more punk music that neither my Sax friend or myself really wanted to do. So the three of us left the band leaving The singer with just our guitarist acquaintance and neither of them were any good at writing any music at all. Who knows if they started a new band without us but it was fun while it lasted. |
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Hoppy said: Short_Circut said: Are they? idk I'm not well informed on the hentai stockmarket but the aforementioned series' you search them on pixiv (free) you pretty much only get porn from them The hentai market on Pixiv was massive if you want to know, same with Skeb. yea I know the hentai on pixiv is huge (along with yuri) but the question was with regards to specifically loli/gore/the other banned stuff as commision |
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ColourWheel said: RobertBobert said: You were like Cobain, who wanted to make social messages, but after gaining popularity, people came to their concerts just to having fun? Personally I wasn't that serious about the band. All I did was play the bass. It was mostly my acquaintance who played the guitar and the guy who was our singer that I didn't know that well who were the most serious about wanting to make it big. The only people I was really good friends with were the Drummer and the Sax player. The Drummer Dave was the guy who brought us all together and wrote all of our original songs. After the last show we ever played My friend Dave got into an argument with the guitarist because we were suddenly being pressured by our singer to start writing more punk music that neither my Sax friend or myself really wanted to do. So the three of us left the band leaving The singer with just our guitarist acquaintance and neither of them were any good at writing any music at all. Who knows if they started a new band without us but it was fun while it lasted. I see. Such things often depend on the ability to work in a team, since you can never dictate your will to others, unless it is an author's project like Impellitteri or Malmsteen. |
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Short_Circut said: yea I know the hentai on pixiv is huge (along with yuri) but the question was with regards to specifically loli/gore/the other banned stuff as commision There is even a meme among people that if your show has more than one female character, then you can already find yuri with them on Pixiv lol. But if without jokes, many illustrators earn this, up to the authors themselves. For example, I know a few ecchi authors who made commissions with illustrations that depicted things you wouldn't see in the actual story. |
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Anti-Username said: Damn guys, art and freedom of expression is dead.. Art and freedom of expression is not dead. If you were letting people use your property to display art and freedom of expression then suddenly one day decided to limit what could be displayed or not on your yard, that just means those people who are being limited just have to find a different yard to use that won't limit them. |
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| i hope one day, platforms wont have to bend over backwards like a loli to an oji-san to credit card companies just hoping overal that loli, incest and beastiality stuff stays for good i mean and hope artists can get the support they need for all their beautiful works its pretty absurd that the top companies can control everything they want in life; including countries in some cases might be tough times ahead |
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| Wow, this is almost exactly like what happened with tumblr about 4 years ago, (although this isn't a complete NSFW ban unlike what tumblr did) where the issue wasn't the drawn stuff but rather people misusing the site's liberal guidelines to exploit real people. That said, I don't consume NSFW and I hardly use Pixiv so this whole situation is only interesting to me due to my interest in the management of social platforms. |
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| Well, rip Pixiv. It was fun while it lasted. |
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Ryuumishou said: but the fact that is is Western credit card companies that demand this change, just makes me feel bad about the future Visa and Mastercard are heavily under represented in peoples' minds of companies that have almost frightening amounts of power. |
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| Driving people off social platforms due to censorship will just lead into more and more issues. Sadly with Capitalism enforcing that, the social media people can post content that's "risqué" is getting narrow. |
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Stripes said: Driving people off social platforms due to censorship will just lead into more and more issues. Sadly with Capitalism enforcing that, the social media people can post content that's "risqué" is getting narrow. Well, to be honest, this kind of content exists primarily thanks to capitalism and so. |
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RobertBobert said: Stripes said: Driving people off social platforms due to censorship will just lead into more and more issues. Sadly with Capitalism enforcing that, the social media people can post content that's "risqué" is getting narrow. Well, to be honest, this kind of content exists primarily thanks to capitalism and so. I mean its an endlessly bad cycle. It's the same example of Tumblr. Tumblr got really big on being a no censor space for artists and rose the popularity of that until they banned it so hard that nobody even wants to touch that site even with Twitter being on the decline. Which is also what rose the use of things like Ko-Fi and Patreon. Aka monetary payment for exclusive access. |
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Stripes said: RobertBobert said: Well, to be honest, this kind of content exists primarily thanks to capitalism and so. I mean its an endlessly bad cycle. It's the same example of Tumblr. Tumblr got really big on being a no censor space for artists and rose the popularity of that until they banned it so hard that nobody even wants to touch that site even with Twitter being on the decline. Which is also what rose the use of things like Ko-Fi and Patreon. Aka monetary payment for exclusive access. Well, modern capitalism is like God. He can give you candy and then take it away because you're living too well for an honest believer. |
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| i find loli/shota art sickening but id rather the p words looked at such art than at real children's pics tbh. this was probably done for the credit card companies |
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Shrimplette_ said: Anjuro said: Well I would say if we believe in freedom of thought we must believe in freedom of expression as well. Is it a crime to think about a crime? I sure hope not. Presumably writing/drawing about it should also be allowed. I would also say you cannot have a functioning society where people are allowed to veto other peoples expression based purely on that the don't like it. The threshhold for prohibition should be that is causes active harm. If I hypothetically found gay relationships go against the word of god and make me sick that still doensn't give me the right to punish gays for existing. I understand what you are saying conceptually but I don't think it applies here because while vague it appears they only took action upon IRL or closely realistic depictions. I doubt anyone is being penalized for posting some goofy incest anime illustration or something, as those kinda of things are still very prominent. I think it is a good policy usage since fully cartoon and concepts are still present, you just cannot make money off of graphically incestual, rapey, or abusive or childlike content, although the guidelines could stand to specify this, in practice there seems to be no issues. The purpose of this is to reduce the profit that comes from harming real children and to prevent people from using the site to profit off of catering to IRL CP and abuse enjoyers. I don't see how this limits anyones artistic or thoughtful freedom of expression? I think you're confusing the point a little bit. The moment real children get involved is the moment action needs to be taken, against the perpetrators, the question here was about art. The point I was making is that you can't conflate the two. You said that they only took action in real life abuse cases, and that's great if true, but nevertheless on paper the rules could be applied to virtually any R18 piece, not only that, in the rules there is no mention of the fact that the measures are only intended to target real life abusers, quite the contrary, they are only targeting the artists. I hope you see the problem with saying one thing and pinky promising you're actually going to do something else. I want to stress how absurd this scenario is, a rapist shows up at your art school and suddenly all the artists have to suffer suffocating restrictions, what did the artists have to do with the rapist? Even if the rapist themselves was an artist his crime didn't have anything to do with art. |
Shrimplette_ said: I believe the mods can make the distinction between horror actual and rape clips, I know that I usually can too. The content is regulated by real people isn't it? The issue is more the credit card companies as they can be strict with some things and that is thew whole reason this situation started so if they object to it, itcan be removed, and the guidelines can be kinda vague |
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