| Just last week, Pixiv officially banned the uploading of any images that "insult public order and morality." A very vague definition, but according to the site's mods, first of all, it means everything that can be perceived as child pornography, incest, rape, bestiality, etc. That is, first of all, crimes against sexual integrity and taboo content. Such restrictions were introduced after the resource came under heavy criticism from both Japan and the West, after journalists uncovered the ways in which Pixiv was used to distribute child pornography and snuff. And this is not about some kind of loli fan art, but about a real crime with real law-breaking material. That is, no matter how we feel about the consequences, the reasons for talking about it again were quite serious. I agree that this shit needs to be dealt with. But the new restrictions are so vague and clearly written for the Western mentality, not the Japanese one, that I can already see how it will be used for abuse. Especially in this day and age, when you can be non-ironically accused of pedophilia for fan art with Love Live or Genshin characters. For example, people accused the creators of Spy x Family of pedophilia because of jokes about Becky having a crush on Loyd. What do you think of it? Will this affect the freedom and quality of content on the most famous Japanese anime art/fan art resource? And will the vagueness of the language in any way affect the observance and application of the new prohibitions? |
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| As long as it only applies to the real stuff, there is no issue. I happened to also come across one of those accounts distributing that "material" more than once and I believe they should focus on taking action on those instead of broadening the hurdle of moderating everything and delaying action being taken against those bastards. |
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Igreja said: As long as it only applies to the real stuff, there is no issue. I happened to also come across one of those accounts distributing that "material" more than once and I believe they should focus on taking action on those instead of broadening the hurdle of moderating everything and delaying action being taken against those bastards. Well, real shit is already a red line. A couple of years ago, the author of a one hyped franchise was caught following a pixiv account that was posting highly detailed ecchi illustrations of young children. This, of course, caused a big scandal. But without any consequences for anyone, because the culprit used the classic "it's just art." |
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Those god damn fucking pedos  first they got to hurt children but then they've got to make it harder on 2D fans who just want to share art of their fav characters |
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Deknijff said: Those god damn fucking pedos first they got to hurt children but then they've got to make it harder on 2D fans who just want to share art of their fav characters Are your favorite characters somehow connected with incest, rape, pedophilia and bestiality? But joking aside, I don’t understand why the new rules were written as if for the West, if it was essentially an abuse by the Chinese (people on Twitter write that many links led to Chinese illegal resources) of a Japanese site. |
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RobertBobert said: If it is a drawing depicting the likeness of a child (real), then that argument should've held no relevance. Pixiv already had guidelines for it to begin with, yet they didn't do anything about it. Igreja said: As long as it only applies to the real stuff, there is no issue. I happened to also come across one of those accounts distributing that "material" more than once and I believe they should focus on taking action on those instead of broadening the hurdle of moderating everything and delaying action being taken against those bastards. Well, real shit is already a red line. A couple of years ago, the author of a one hyped franchise was caught following a pixiv account that was posting highly detailed ecchi illustrations of young children. This, of course, caused a big scandal. But without any consequences for anyone, because the culprit used the classic "it's just art." These kind of vague restrictions is on par with youtube's blunder of a guideline. They never do anything but please the public. |
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| I'm not familiar enough with the legal complexities involved to say what the best answer is, but as someone who has used Pixiv for content that can be construed as an "insult public order and morality," if it means stopping real cases of child exploitation and abuse I'm perfectly fine with having a slightly smaller selection of porn. I recently stumbled upon some of realistic AI art of toddlers, so I kind of expected a crackdown of some sort eventually. |
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HalcyonSky said: I'm not familiar enough with the legal complexities involved to say what the best answer is, but as someone who has used Pixiv for content that can be construed as an "insult public order and morality," if it means stopping real cases of child exploitation and abuse I'm perfectly fine with having a slightly smaller selection of porn. I recently stumbled upon some of realistic AI art of toddlers, so I kind of expected a crackdown of some sort eventually. Igreja said: RobertBobert said: If it is a drawing depicting the likeness of a child (real), then that argument should've held no relevance. Pixiv already had guidelines for it to begin with, yet they didn't do anything about it. Well, real shit is already a red line. A couple of years ago, the author of a one hyped franchise was caught following a pixiv account that was posting highly detailed ecchi illustrations of young children. This, of course, caused a big scandal. But without any consequences for anyone, because the culprit used the classic "it's just art." These kind of vague restrictions is on par with youtube's blunder of a guideline. They never do anything but please the public. Well, lately, major fan art resources have simply begun to make such illustrations paid, that is, invisible to ordinary users. It sounds like a very obvious attempt to get around the moral guards, but apparently it works. |
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RobertBobert said: Wouldn't that be outside of Pixiv's jurisdiction then? Since they make it invisible to ordinary users, it prevents the illustration from being reported, in other words it gets off scot-free without even being noticed, right? I'd like to know about they make it invisible to others, though.HalcyonSky said: I'm not familiar enough with the legal complexities involved to say what the best answer is, but as someone who has used Pixiv for content that can be construed as an "insult public order and morality," if it means stopping real cases of child exploitation and abuse I'm perfectly fine with having a slightly smaller selection of porn. I recently stumbled upon some of realistic AI art of toddlers, so I kind of expected a crackdown of some sort eventually. Igreja said: If it is a drawing depicting the likeness of a child (real), then that argument should've held no relevance. Pixiv already had guidelines for it to begin with, yet they didn't do anything about it. These kind of vague restrictions is on par with youtube's blunder of a guideline. They never do anything but please the public. Well, lately, major fan art resources have simply begun to make such illustrations paid, that is, invisible to ordinary users. It sounds like a very obvious attempt to get around the moral guards, but apparently it works. |
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RobertBobert said: I mean my waifu a 14 year old alien who can talk to animals Deknijff said: Are your favorite characters somehow connected with incest, rape, pedophilia and bestiality?Those god damn fucking pedos first they got to hurt children but then they've got to make it harder on 2D fans who just want to share art of their fav characters  so that type of content exists somewhere on the internet |
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_Ako_ said: >after journalists uncovered the ways in which Pixiv was used to distribute child pornography this is news to me, I thought it was only MEGA and the use of Twatter that was doing this but ig everything is possible now huh. I don't know the details, but the Japanese on Twitter are saying that the perpetrators somehow posted real pornography there or links to resources with necrophilia, snuff and other shit like that. Igreja said: RobertBobert said: Wouldn't that be outside of Pixiv's jurisdiction then? Since they make it invisible to ordinary users, it prevents the illustration from being reported, in other words it gets off scot-free without even being noticed, right? I'd like to know about they make it invisible to others, though.Well, lately, major fan art resources have simply begun to make such illustrations paid, that is, invisible to ordinary users. It sounds like a very obvious attempt to get around the moral guards, but apparently it works. I want to say that the problem of any loli content has existed for a long time and the original Western resources are already looking for ways to work with this. I mainly use Konachan to find illustrations, which generally has a fairly high standard in general (not so much due to censorship, but due to high resolution and quality requirements, however), so I was surprised that other resources simply formally hid it's from ordinary people. |
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RobertBobert said: _Ako_ said: >after journalists uncovered the ways in which Pixiv was used to distribute child pornography this is news to me, I thought it was only MEGA and the use of Twatter that was doing this but ig everything is possible now huh. I don't know the details, but the Japanese on Twitter are saying that the perpetrators somehow posted real pornography there or links to resources with necrophilia, snuff and other shit like that. I am quite bothered that porn have snuff in there, like man, I thought only hentai can possibly do it quite erotically pleasing. I am now scared of real life. |
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_Ako_ said: RobertBobert said: I don't know the details, but the Japanese on Twitter are saying that the perpetrators somehow posted real pornography there or links to resources with necrophilia, snuff and other shit like that. I am quite bothered that porn have snuff in there, like man, I thought only hentai can possibly do it quite erotically pleasing. I am now scared of real life. I don't know, maybe it was just resources with so-called "fucking shit". If you caught the 90s and the first half of the 00s, you probably remember the popularity of such things as "Faces of Death" and so on. Many are willing to pay for it simply because it is illegal and fucked up. For example, now many freaks subscribe to paid telegram channels with 18+ videos and photos from the war in Ukraine, if you know what I mean. |
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| If it happens that it only results in a more significant crackdown on stuff that shouldn't have been there in the first place, then I have no complaints. That is most likely not what's going to happen though, and if it leads to restrictions on anime artwork then one can only hope another site takes its place for artists and those that support them. |
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| Honestly I cannot help but be cynical here, Prohibition is not prevention, it just pushes the perpetrators underground and punishes everyone else with inane and purposely vague rules. I think it's appalling to use the actions of criminals to push these suffocating censorship policies. Punish the ones who are responsible, no more no less, and don't give me that think of the children crap as an excuse to erode away all freedom of expression and all privacy. This is not a popular position to take but I think there has to be pushback against this sort of thing, otherwise there will never be an end to it. |
Monkiesmata said: im sure robert didnt mean to and didnt know there was already a thread https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/11/22/japanese-art-community-pixiv-to-ban-uploads-depicting-acts-that-are-offensive-to-public-order-and-morals-following-complaints-from-western-credit-card-companies/ Well, I created a topic after I saw this link. _FRB_ said: If it happens that it only results in a more significant crackdown on stuff that shouldn't have been there in the first place, then I have no complaints. That is most likely not what's going to happen though, and if it leads to restrictions on anime artwork then one can only hope another site takes its place for artists and those that support them. Well, at the moment Pixiv is developing several projects for indie and twitter illustrators at once, which is a rare opportunity for the industry. But I doubt that any of their work can suffer because of this. These are mainly CGDCT, fluffy yuri, light romcoms, etc. For example, if my memory serves me, Mieruko-chan got hype originally as a twitter/pixiv web manga. |
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Anjuro said: Honestly I cannot help but be cynical here, Prohibition is not prevention, it just pushes the perpetrators underground and punishes everyone else with inane and purposely vague rules. I think it's appalling to use the actions of criminals to push these suffocating censorship policies. Punish the ones who are responsible, no more no less, and don't give me that think of the children crap as an excuse to erode away all freedom of expression and all privacy. This is not a popular position to take but I think there has to be pushback against this sort of thing, otherwise there will never be an end to it. I understand where you're coming from, but how do you explain the moral aspect? I think a lot of people outside of the anime community would support such restrictions if they were just told about loli doujinshi or a fetish hentai. |
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| Pixiv imploding, DeviantArt selling out to AI, Twitter being Twitter...not looking good for artists. At least tumblr is allowing porn again? Not that any loli artists should ever post there, for their own safety... |
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WatchTillTandava said: I've never used the website and am not familiar with it, but is incest actually included in there?!? What in the ever living hell does it have to do with the others like the protection of real children who may be abused and/or trafficked? Incest can be entirely divorced from such a context and I find it just absurd and laughable when it's lumped in on par with the others in terms of some legal vigilance protocol. It has nothing to do with it, not even by the UN's wonky standards, this is just an out of touch company kowtowing to a credit card company instead of going the Skeb route and offering their own tokens for commissions and telling Mastercard to fuck off. |
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WatchTillTandava said: I've never used the website and am not familiar with it, but is incest actually included in there?!? What in the ever living hell does it have to do with the others like the protection of real children who may be abused and/or trafficked? Incest can be entirely divorced from such a context and I find it just absurd and laughable when it's lumped in on par with the others in terms of some legal vigilance protocol. This is exactly what I was talking about in the context of "Western mentality". Because in the West, incest is primarily understood as the rape of younger siblings or your children, and only then incest in general. At least that's what I see in English or Russian media. |
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RobertBobert said: Anjuro said: Honestly I cannot help but be cynical here, Prohibition is not prevention, it just pushes the perpetrators underground and punishes everyone else with inane and purposely vague rules. I think it's appalling to use the actions of criminals to push these suffocating censorship policies. Punish the ones who are responsible, no more no less, and don't give me that think of the children crap as an excuse to erode away all freedom of expression and all privacy. This is not a popular position to take but I think there has to be pushback against this sort of thing, otherwise there will never be an end to it. I understand where you're coming from, but how do you explain the moral aspect? I think a lot of people outside of the anime community would support such restrictions if they were just told about loli doujinshi or a fetish hentai. That's the thing though right? They market the restrictions in that way, "oh, it's only going to affect the extreme nutjobs, if you're a normal person you have no reason to oppose the measures" but you can't have a law that only applies to criminals, a law applies to everyone and usually there are tradeoffs to any restriction of freedom. The bottom line is you're punishing people who had nothing to do with the whole incident, and you have no guarantees that the measures are even going to deter anyone (I would almost claim that on the contrary they are almost certain to not deter any actual criminals). I'm not sure what you mean by the "moral aspect". As I said, child abusers, necrophiliacs or whatever should be punished, but a guy that draws X and Y, no matter how depraved is not a child abuser or a necrophiliac. I just want to stress that it is wrong to conflate these things. If a slave trader pops up at your local flea market that does not give the government the right to make a new law as to what is allowed into the flea market, to install checkpoints where you must show ID and undergo an interrogation to prove you're not a slave trader, to install a anti-slave-trader surveilance app on every cell phone by default because if you're not a slave trader you have nothing to hide right? etc. I'm sorry but all I see in measures such as these is authoritarian overreach, it does not even cross my mind how any of this would be serve to deter an actual criminal. |
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Anjuro said: RobertBobert said: I understand where you're coming from, but how do you explain the moral aspect? I think a lot of people outside of the anime community would support such restrictions if they were just told about loli doujinshi or a fetish hentai. That's the thing though right? They market the restrictions in that way, "oh, it's only going to affect the extreme nutjobs, if you're a normal person you have no reason to oppose the measures" but you can't have a law that only applies to criminals, a law applies to everyone and usually there are tradeoffs to any restriction of freedom. The bottom line is you're punishing people who had nothing to do with the whole incident, and you have no guarantees that the measures are even going to deter anyone (I would almost claim that on the contrary they are almost certain to not deter any actual criminals). I'm not sure what you mean by the "moral aspect". As I said, child abusers, necrophiliacs or whatever should be punished, but a guy that draws X and Y, no matter how depraved is not a child abuser or a necrophiliac. I just want to stress that it is wrong to conflate these things. If a slave trader pops up at your local flea market that does not give the government the right to make a new law as to what is allowed into the flea market, to install checkpoints where you must show ID and undergo an interrogation to prove you're not a slave trader, to install a anti-slave-trader surveilance app on every cell phone by default because if you're not a slave trader you have nothing to hide right? etc. I'm sorry but all I see in measures such as these is authoritarian overreach, it does not even cross my mind how any of this would be serve to deter an actual criminal. I want to say that the main problem of such disputes is not only the cultural difference, but also the difference in the mentality of different groups. For example, if I tell a friend that I'm an Oreimo fan (I'm not really a fan, but let's say), he'll just sarcastically say "hah, sick bastard". But if I tell this in detail to a friend outside of the anime community, he'll think I'm a pervert. |
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RobertBobert said: I want to say that the main problem of such disputes is not only the cultural difference, but also the difference in the mentality of different groups. For example, if I tell a friend that I'm an Oreimo fan (I'm not really a fan, but let's say), he'll just sarcastically say "hah, sick bastard". But if I tell this in detail to a friend outside of the anime community, he'll think I'm a pervert. That's sort of what I was referring to when I said my position was a difficult position to occupy, it could be easily mistaken for a position that defends the criminals but hopefully I've made it clear how this is not the case. Still, you can't just let people bully you into silence with bad faith arguments like "Oh, only a pedo would oppose these measures, you're not a pedo are you?" etc. Look what happened to youtube, nowadays any old video can get age restricted virtually on whim. I hardly ever see age restricted videos with mature/sexual content in it, all I see is abuse of the age restriction system with e.g. with videos criticising china being age restricted, comedy that's "too edgy" being age restricted etc. In europe you can't watch these videos without giving youtube your ID, so I can't even watch them. It's a complete farce. |
Anjuro said: RobertBobert said: I want to say that the main problem of such disputes is not only the cultural difference, but also the difference in the mentality of different groups. For example, if I tell a friend that I'm an Oreimo fan (I'm not really a fan, but let's say), he'll just sarcastically say "hah, sick bastard". But if I tell this in detail to a friend outside of the anime community, he'll think I'm a pervert. That's sort of what I was referring to when I said my position was a difficult position to occupy, it could be easily mistaken for a position that defends the criminals but hopefully I've made it clear how this is not the case. Still, you can't just let people bully you into silence with bad faith arguments like "Oh, only a pedo would oppose these measures, you're not a pedo are you?" etc. Look what happened to youtube, nowadays any old video can get age restricted virtually on whim. I hardly ever see age restricted videos with mature/sexual content in it, all I see is abuse of the age restriction system with e.g. with videos criticising china being age restricted, comedy that's "too edgy" being age restricted etc. In europe you can't watch these videos without giving youtube your ID, so I can't even watch them. It's a complete farce. Huh, recently I was unable to turn on alerts on the Power Rangers page, apparently due to the fact that this is a channel for children, and I'm over 30. Regardless of the fact that all the characters in the show are relatively young adult and that this show is clearly at least PG. I understand what you want to say, but here we are already stepping into the level of the philosophical "do people have the right to do immoral things, if this does not at least formally violate the law and the immunity of others." This is a very broad question. On the one hand, you can be a satonist, although many believers will find this outrageous, but on the other hand, society is unlikely to let you ignore someone else's morality in matters of sexuality. Where is the line? |
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RobertBobert said: But the new restrictions are so vague and clearly written for the Western mentality, not the Japanese one, that I can already see how it will be used for abuse. What does it even mean to be Japanese mentality here? We're talking about an issue that's not only universal but heavily plagues countries such as Japan which unironically subtly promote this type of shit in their media such as anime and manga. RobertBobert said: What do you think of it? Will this affect the freedom and quality of content on the most famous Japanese anime art/fan art resource? No, it won't. What are they even drawing anyways? Maybe it's time for them to draw shit that isn't explicitly for arousing sexual tendencies and predatory nature. RobertBobert said: Such restrictions were introduced after the resource came under heavy criticism from both Japan and the West, after journalists uncovered the ways in which Pixiv was used to distribute child pornography and snuff. Yeah, that's more than enough reasons to do so. |
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| Do people itt not realize that they are banning drawn lolis and incest and not real child porn? Everyone here is like "yeah it's good that they are banning child porn". This was already banned before (obviously, because it's illegal in Japan), they are talking about banning loli content. Anyway, I already removed the site from my bookmarks last week when they announced it. Sincerely, fuck you pixiv, not gonna support this shit decision and I hope this site dies just like tumblr. Deknijff said: I mean my waifu a 14 year old alien who can talk to animals Based taste. |
ateks said: Do people itt not realize that they are banning drawn lolis and incest and not real child porn? ateks said: they are talking about banning loli content And I see no problem in doing so. In fact, this type of shit is what plagues anime and manga. |
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ateks said: Do people itt not realize that they are banning drawn lolis and incest and not real child porn? Everyone here is like "yeah it's good that they are banning child porn". This was already banned before (obviously, because it's illegal in Japan), they are talking about banning loli content. Anyway, I already removed the site from my bookmarks last week when they announced it. Sincerely, fuck you pixiv, not gonna support this shit decision and I hope this site dies just like tumblr. Deknijff said: I mean my waifu a 14 year old alien who can talk to animals Based taste. Well, Japan is a rather special country in this regard. Once upon a time, loli idols were popular in the country, but at some point, the implications reached the Japanese and all content with them was banned. Up to criminal cases against those people who bought photobooks with them. Which does not prevent produsers from continuing to publish quite officially photosets with teenagers or young adult girls from AKB48 in rather suspicious poses a la "be gentle with me, ojisan". LordSozin said: RobertBobert said: But the new restrictions are so vague and clearly written for the Western mentality, not the Japanese one, that I can already see how it will be used for abuse. What does it even mean to be Japanese mentality here? We're talking about an issue that's not only universal but heavily plagues countries such as Japan which unironically subtly promote this type of shit in their media such as anime and manga. RobertBobert said: What do you think of it? Will this affect the freedom and quality of content on the most famous Japanese anime art/fan art resource? No, it won't. What are they even drawing anyways? Maybe it's time for them to draw shit that isn't explicitly for arousing sexual tendencies and predatory nature. RobertBobert said: Such restrictions were introduced after the resource came under heavy criticism from both Japan and the West, after journalists uncovered the ways in which Pixiv was used to distribute child pornography and snuff. Yeah, that's more than enough reasons to do so. By Japanese mentality, I mean that the Japanese are quite tolerant of taboo topics as fetishes. Yes, the attitude of "normal people" towards eromanga is obvious and has even become the subject of jokes in many manga and anime, but the Japanese have been neutral to the complaints of the moral guards for many years. |
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RobertBobert said: I understand what you want to say, but here we are already stepping into the level of the philosophical "do people have the right to do immoral things, if this does not at least formally violate the law and the immunity of others." This is a very broad question. On the one hand, you can be a satonist, although many believers will find this outrageous, but on the other hand, society is unlikely to let you ignore someone else's morality in matters of sexuality. Where is the line? Well I would say if we believe in freedom of thought we must believe in freedom of expression as well. Is it a crime to think about a crime? I sure hope not. Presumably writing/drawing about it should also be allowed. I would also say you cannot have a functioning society where people are allowed to veto other peoples expression based purely on that the don't like it. The threshhold for prohibition should be that is causes active harm. If I hypothetically found gay relationships go against the word of god and make me sick that still doensn't give me the right to punish gays for existing. |
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LSSJ_Gaming said: Credit Card companies tend to be really strict on NSFW stuff but one part of the restricted content bothers me. It's the nonconsensual violence part stated on the website. Like that sounds like it would be very difficult to make like horror or action artwork with how vague that sounds. I think it's only about sexual violence. But it's blurry enough that in theory you can't even draw an "I like it rough" scene. Anjuro said: RobertBobert said: I understand what you want to say, but here we are already stepping into the level of the philosophical "do people have the right to do immoral things, if this does not at least formally violate the law and the immunity of others." This is a very broad question. On the one hand, you can be a satonist, although many believers will find this outrageous, but on the other hand, society is unlikely to let you ignore someone else's morality in matters of sexuality. Where is the line? Well I would say if we believe in freedom of thought we must believe in freedom of expression as well. Is it a crime to think about a crime? I sure hope not. Presumably writing/drawing about it should also be allowed. I would also say you cannot have a functioning society where people are allowed to veto other peoples expression based purely on that the don't like it. The threshhold for prohibition should be that is causes active harm. If I hypothetically found gay relationships go against the word of god and make me sick that still doensn't give me the right to punish gays for existing. I think the Blade of Immortal author relationship might be an interesting case here. This manga and other works of the author are full of all kinds of violence, often quite fetishized, etc. But at the same time, the author is a vocal critic of violence and especially violence against women in real life, even publishing fiery essays on his website or in his manga. According to his point of view, there is nothing wrong with dark fetishism, but you will be a complete asshole and a monster if you try to repeat this in real life. In general, for him it is something like a fantasy that cannot be realized. I mean, the whole bloody horror industry is built on this. |
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RobertBobert said: Well, Japan is a rather special country in this regard. Once upon a time, loli idols were popular in the country, but at some point, the implications reached the Japanese and all content with them was banned. Loli idols are still popular and they are certainly not banned, tf you talking about? Pixiv banning loli content has nothing to do with Japanese mentality, they are simply getting pressured by American companies and don't want to lose profit. |
ateks said: RobertBobert said: Well, Japan is a rather special country in this regard. Once upon a time, loli idols were popular in the country, but at some point, the implications reached the Japanese and all content with them was banned. Loli idols are still popular and they are certainly not banned, tf you talking about? Pixiv banning loli content has nothing to do with Japanese mentality, they are simply getting pressured by American companies and don't want to lose profit. I'm talking about that infamous teen gravure idol phenomenon that was eventually banned due to systematic complaints from the west. |
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RobertBobert said: aaah ok it was just worded really confusingly. Definitely still may lead to some issues for like BDSM stuffI think it's only about sexual violence. But it's blurry enough that in theory you can't even draw an "I like it rough" scene. |
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RobertBobert said: Just last week, Pixiv officially banned the uploading of any images that "insult public order and morality." A very vague definition, but according to the site's mods, first of all, it means everything that can be perceived as child pornography, incest, rape, bestiality, etc. That is, first of all, crimes against sexual integrity and taboo content. Such restrictions were introduced after the resource came under heavy criticism from both Japan and the West, after journalists uncovered the ways in which Pixiv was used to distribute child pornography and snuff. And this is not about some kind of loli fan art, but about a real crime with real law-breaking material. That is, no matter how we feel about the consequences, the reasons for talking about it again were quite serious. I agree that this shit needs to be dealt with. But the new restrictions are so vague and clearly written for the Western mentality, not the Japanese one, that I can already see how it will be used for abuse. Especially in this day and age, when you can be non-ironically accused of pedophilia for fan art with Love Live or Genshin characters. For example, people accused the creators of Spy x Family of pedophilia because of jokes about Becky having a crush on Loyd. What do you think of it? Will this affect the freedom and quality of content on the most famous Japanese anime art/fan art resource? And will the vagueness of the language in any way affect the observance and application of the new prohibitions? If a private company is under legal scrutiny or even is at risk of losing revenue via advertisers, or simply under public pressure, etc... it's really their call what they decide to do regardless if something is considered technically legal or not. This has nothing to do with freedom of expression. If a site simply doesn't want certain things on their platform anymore, they have the "freedom" to remove it or not no matter how vague their policy might be. I am pretty sure anything that a user uploads on that platform has some disclaimer the user must 1st agree to when they sign up. It's not uncommon for any website to suddenly change their policies on a whim no matter how outraged their users might 1st think they are. Users will simply have to adapt or find somewhere else to go. No one is stopping anyone from creating what they want, they are just simply being told they are now limited to what they can share on a platform the users clearly do not own. |
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LSSJ_Gaming said: RobertBobert said: aaah ok it was just worded really confusingly. Definitely still may lead to some issues for like BDSM stuffI think it's only about sexual violence. But it's blurry enough that in theory you can't even draw an "I like it rough" scene. Everything depends on the human factor. For example, recently a girl who drew fantasy female warriors was accused of sexism because she gave her characters too girly and unsuitable for war shoes. |
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ColourWheel said: RobertBobert said: Just last week, Pixiv officially banned the uploading of any images that "insult public order and morality." A very vague definition, but according to the site's mods, first of all, it means everything that can be perceived as child pornography, incest, rape, bestiality, etc. That is, first of all, crimes against sexual integrity and taboo content. Such restrictions were introduced after the resource came under heavy criticism from both Japan and the West, after journalists uncovered the ways in which Pixiv was used to distribute child pornography and snuff. And this is not about some kind of loli fan art, but about a real crime with real law-breaking material. That is, no matter how we feel about the consequences, the reasons for talking about it again were quite serious. I agree that this shit needs to be dealt with. But the new restrictions are so vague and clearly written for the Western mentality, not the Japanese one, that I can already see how it will be used for abuse. Especially in this day and age, when you can be non-ironically accused of pedophilia for fan art with Love Live or Genshin characters. For example, people accused the creators of Spy x Family of pedophilia because of jokes about Becky having a crush on Loyd. What do you think of it? Will this affect the freedom and quality of content on the most famous Japanese anime art/fan art resource? And will the vagueness of the language in any way affect the observance and application of the new prohibitions? If a private company is under legal scrutiny or even is at risk of losing revenue via advertisers, or simply under public pressure, etc... it's really their call what they decide to do regardless if something is considered technically legal or not. This has nothing to do with freedom of expression. If a site simply doesn't want certain things on their platform anymore, they have the "freedom" to remove it or not no matter how vague their policy might be. I am pretty sure anything that a user uploads on that platform has some disclaimer the user must 1st agree to when they sign up. It's not uncommon for any website to suddenly change their policies on a whim no matter how outraged their users might 1st think they are. Users will simply have to adapt or find somewhere else to go. No one is stopping anyone from creating what they want, they are just simply being told they are now limited to what they can share on a platform the users clearly do not own. The key issue is that Pixiv is one of the founding sites in Japanese anime culture. Most of the fan content (especially yuri and BL) appears there and it is on this resource and / or twitter that many illustrators or mangaka start their careers. |
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RobertBobert said: ColourWheel said: If a private company is under legal scrutiny or even is at risk of losing revenue via advertisers, or simply under public pressure, etc... it's really their call what they decide to do regardless if something is considered technically legal or not. This has nothing to do with freedom of expression. If a site simply doesn't want certain things on their platform anymore, they have the "freedom" to remove it or not no matter how vague their policy might be. I am pretty sure anything that a user uploads on that platform has some disclaimer the user must 1st agree to when they sign up. It's not uncommon for any website to suddenly change their policies on a whim no matter how outraged their users might 1st think they are. Users will simply have to adapt or find somewhere else to go. No one is stopping anyone from creating what they want, they are just simply being told they are now limited to what they can share on a platform the users clearly do not own. The key issue is that Pixiv is one of the founding sites in Japanese anime culture. Most of the fan content (especially yuri and BL) appears there and it is on this resource and / or twitter that many illustrators or mangaka start their careers. Then they are going to have to learn to adapt to their new conditions or find new ways to "start" their careers. |
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ColourWheel said: RobertBobert said: The key issue is that Pixiv is one of the founding sites in Japanese anime culture. Most of the fan content (especially yuri and BL) appears there and it is on this resource and / or twitter that many illustrators or mangaka start their careers. Then they are going to have to learn to adapt to their new conditions or find a new ways to "start" their careers. Well, if the site really dies or goes out of business, it will at least significantly disrupt the indie web manga market. I don't know of any other resources that give the green light to promising twitter and pixiv creators to start their official series. |
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| Is it the same news as this? https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2057927#post9 If so, then that's just for pixiv's paid services, not pixiv as a whole |
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Short_Circut said: Is it the same news as this? https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2057927#post9 If so, then that's just for pixiv's paid services, not pixiv as a whole Same. Only it was more or less confirmed that the restrictions came after the scandal with child pornography and other shit. |
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RobertBobert said: Short_Circut said: Is it the same news as this? https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2057927#post9 If so, then that's just for pixiv's paid services, not pixiv as a whole Same. Only it was more or less confirmed that the restrictions came after the scandal with child pornography and other shit. Then as I mentioned in the og post, this isn't even a full nsfw ban. Just a ban on some more niche nsfw topics for a specific part of pixiv (paid services) so nothing of value is really lost. you can still post your takagi-san or gakuen babysitters porn or whatever other shit people make porn out of lmao, just can't get money out of it. |
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| Well for me it is normal as such stuff are officially and normally banned in Poland. Here examples [All of stuff in Criminal code which is one of 9 Codes of law here I just made ctrl+f "Porn" to find all of them in Criminal Code only]: Art 200 §1 Who shares to under 15 yo NSFW porn content - 3 years of jail. Includes in this also Sharing related items, for self enjoyment, for advertisment. Same if someone do that through Phone/Internet. Art 202 §1 Who shares Porn Content in a way, which is forced/not pleased by other person, will receive money fine or limited freedom or 2 years of jail [Imagine how many people would already have to pay money for this in Poland if someone would actually execute it] §3 Who produces, shares, is buying/downloading/acquiring/having, Porn Content which involves child or with brutality, or with bestiality, or with an animal - prison from 2 to 12 years. §4 Who [... same as above] with a minor - jail from year to 10 §4a Who has or has access to Porn Content with minor - Jail for 3 months to 10 years §4b Who produces, shares ... Porn Content imaginary, reimagined, changed, image of a minor taking part of sexual activity - Money Fine or Limited Freedom or Jail at least 2 years. §4c Also people who takes part in it for their own sexual pleasure are included. Well Poland is built different. For me it is completely normal that such stuff are banned as they should and I have no complains about it. I am not even gonna risk of jail just because of some sick West/Japan stuff which they like/create/have. I personally have no intention or willing to be near such stuff they are disgusting and I am not pleased to watch or see them, yes the anime version/doujinshi too. All version of such stuff disgusts me. It is what it is just simply born in a culture which already have it banned from a long time. |
Short_Circut said: RobertBobert said: Same. Only it was more or less confirmed that the restrictions came after the scandal with child pornography and other shit. Then as I mentioned in the og post, this isn't even a full nsfw ban. Just a ban on some more niche nsfw topics for a specific part of pixiv (paid services) so nothing of value is really lost. you can still post your takagi-san or gakuen babysitters porn or whatever other shit people make porn out of lmao, just can't get money out of it. But wasn't most of this content published for money? As far as I know, most of the borderline hentai on twitter are drawn as paid commissions. |
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