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TGAvi said: Dull_Lull said: Ah yes... this thread is filled with the classic "you didn't like the show because you didn't understand it 2deep4u" logic. Got anything else? What a waste of time. One of the most frustrating experiences I've ever had with anime. The premise was already flawed to begin with but I was willing to overlook that much despite my grievances of how it oversimplifies things not until it got to the point where the plot twists are just becoming beyond stupid. Episode 7 especially was a horrible one. Irrelevant and dumbed down characters. Throwing around a bunch of concepts/ideas/topics or whatever without doing anything with it or doing the bare minimum scratching the surface. Loose ends. Bad villain. Yay for open endings. A convenient excuse for the author to keep the audience talking about it. 1/10 because I'm currently pissed. Might increase it later or someday if I'm feeling generous enough. Plot twist was good You should rewatch first 6 episodes to see it I'd rather not waste my time luv. I've already stated my problems with the first 7 episodes alone. The rest of the show just amplified it to a different magnitude. Highly doubt I'll like it after a rewatch when the foundation wasn't already stable to begin with lol. |
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upwindspy said: Deus said: What the fuck was that ending. I've never been more disappointed with a show before. There is a lot of bad anime but at least they don't try to be serious and just go with it, but this one tried to be "deeP" too hard, and ended up being just stupid. It'd have been better if Zen just killed Magase (Who should've actually been in the building) after the President, and then got shot from a helicopter. And no post-credits bullshit scene. That'd have been a perfect ending and saved the anime. 2/10 - Massive disappointment You lost all credability when you added a naruto gif. Yeah great taste there bud. Go cry somewhere else. Im sorry this show wasnt like your typical shonen shit. Grow up. >Added Naruto gif I've been using that same signature for almost 5 years now, I didn't "add the gif", learn how the forums work, and I don't plan to change it. Grow up yourself and stop judging people based on what forum signature they use. Also, learn how to spell, Mr. Credable. |
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| The part where Zen killed Alex was good and pretty well executed, it was good related to Alex’s speech. However, the post credit scene was stupid and useless, what does it mean? Does it mean that human can’t defeat evil? |
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| This was really, really stupid... 5/10 |
| We went from "An interesting case involving 'suicide'" to "Long discussions and symbolic bullshit". So of course, I basically lost interest in the last part of the show. My own hopes for seeing a satisfying ending of the Detective figures out the trick of the suicide and Magnase personally getting the brutality equivalent to Berserk's Eclypse scene. A traditional and satisfying ending. That ending and post-ending was a slap to the nuts and can damn well leave a bitter taste. The President part was cool, but damn, it could have been surrounded by a better plot thread. |
| "You know you've reached peak quality when a doujin is better than the actual source series." (Eg. To LOVE-Ru) Just to list a couple of biases. Likes: A good story, characters, writing, romance, a good plot twist or something that breaks expectations (In a good way), 'backstory' and justice. Dislikes: Bad romance, too much fanservice, the harem genre, yuri, yaoi, and bad writing. |
| glorious end, finally the bad guy wins against the mc 6/10, if magase died I would have given it a 4/10 |
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| Really sad that the anime went down hill after the break, i fkn loved the first 7 episodes... |
| I would really like to vent because I'm so disappointed. It was a letdown. I feel bad about everything. I'm hoping that somehow, the "good" will prevail but as long as Ai Magase and Itsuki are alive, they'll do everything for their suicide law to be acknowledged around the world. I thought President Alex will give hope to this series, that he will stay alive to fight for what they believe is good but nah. Anyway, the previous episodes were okay, I got emotionally involved. The Animation and music were good too. So I will still give this 6/10. |
_kukiyomenaiMar 30, 2020 7:45 AM
  ★━━─ 𝘏𝘰𝘸 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘐 𝘣𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘺 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘵? 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘥𝘢𝘺? |
| Solid first seven episodes 8/10. "There are no moral phenomenons, only moral interpretations of phenomenons." You know who. The rest is the most offensive thought-provoking wannabe show of the medium, really appalling. Characters have the intellectual level of high-preschoolers when it comes to suicide. This show should be +18 really, or intellectually+30 to dismiss the fallacious thoughts implied by Magase Ai, Senator Kanki and the rest of insane people: it does not take 4 hours to do so. Not even talking about the young girl that the two guys could not save on the bridge, just say something guys, anything... By the way, stop associating sexual rights with the suicide law, this is completely absurd (the argument appeared twice in the show). OK, I can buy the super-powers of Magase, but not the massive adhesion to suicide law of people not "controlled" by her. What are the real motivations of Magase and Kaiki? Evil? The plot? You know, it's really easy to just walk in to a G7 summit guys. The end? What, now she's going to attack Zen's family? For the sake of EVIL I guess... Shigaraki Tomura from BmHA is a better villain. 1/10. Weighted average: 2/10. I must say that the French President was realistic though. The definitions of good and evil, just laughable. All these pseudo-philosophical discussions are completely irrelevant to understand why suicide law (and NOT suicide itself) is wrong and unacceptable. |
TGAvi said: Meusnier said: Solid first seven episodes 8/10. "There are no moral phenomenons, only moral interpretations of phenomenons." You know who. The rest is the most offensive thought-provoking wannabe show of the medium, really appalling. Characters have the intellectual level of high-preschoolers when it comes to suicide. This show should be +18 really, or intellectually+30 to dismiss the fallacious thoughts implied by Magase Ai, Senator Kanki and the rest of insane people: it does not take 4 hours to do so. Not even talking about the young girl that the two guys could not save on the bridge, just say something guys, anything... By the way, stop associating sexual rights with the suicide law, this is completely absurd (the argument appeared twice in the show). OK, I can buy the super-powers of Magase, but not the massive adhesion to suicide law of people not "controlled" by her. What are the real motivations of Magase and Kaiki? Evil? The plot? You know, it's really easy to just walk in to a G7 summit guys. The end? What, now she's going to attack Zen's family? For the sake of EVIL I guess... Shigaraki Tomura from BmHA is a better villain. 1/10. Weighted average: 2/10. I must say that the French President was realistic though. The definitions of good and evil, just laughable. All these pseudo-philosophical discussions are completely irrelevant to understand why suicide law (and NOT suicide itself) is wrong and unacceptable. Magase and zen son scene is anime orignal Not of novel The Novel end at sezaki and magase scene I don't know why anime add this scene Thank you very much for telling me about this big change. I guess that they wanted a "proper end", but it changes a lot the final message. As in the rest of the show, I have the suspicion that it was "to make it fancy" or to "go against expectations". |
TGAvi said: RedChrome said: the ending left me with the feeling"Why am I wasting my time for this ?" Its not ending Novel still ongoing Oh really !!? Then wtf did I just watched ?? |
TGAvi said: Yeah ending anime is end third arc Fourth arc will relasee soon https://twitter.com/so__hei/status/1219556001155665920?s=19 I see. okay thx for that information |
TGAvi said: Dull_Lull said: I'd rather not waste my time luv. I've already stated my problems with the first 7 episodes alone. The rest of the show just amplified it to a different magnitude. Highly doubt I'll like it after a rewatch when the foundation wasn't already stable to begin with lol. First 6 episode is so good for me And never not bad Interrogation scene was insane Yeah........... nah It had its moments but the first 6 episodes was so hellbent on the stupid suicide law and the characters that aren't Seizaki are so dumbed down for the sake of plot progression already dragged the show down. Episode 7 only made it worse and then the rest is history. |
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TGAvi said: Dull_Lull said: Yeah........... nah It had its moments but the first 6 episodes was so hellbent on the stupid suicide law and the characters that aren't Seizaki are so dumbed down for the sake of plot progression already dragged the show down. Episode 7 only made it worse and then the rest is history. Ok I think This just not for you taste but First 7 episode have uniqe and intersting idea I think Alot of people agree with me Unique doesn't necessarily mean good anyway. The suicide law was just a stupid premise to begin with so anything that comes after it will just suffer as much. A lot of people have also caught on to its declining quality hence the terrible score. One of the few times I actually agree with MAL ratings. |
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| Just finished this anime and..... Tbh I can't understand what was the point? Evil won? or what? I'm confused... P.S Magase Ai is Female version of Johan Liebert lol. |
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| An okay series with decent ending. I mean.... Its wrong.... Worst. Ever. Ending. I. Ever. Get. Lol. Okay, this show really was a psychological show with some mind-blowing shitty story with no other reason to watch rather seeing some absurd where noone, i repeat, noone can interprete what the fuck was goin on. I mean, yes, someone maybe can, like its writer or the author of this absurd show, or even a geniuses mind Control people like these fiction character Magase. However. No. Please, no. Actually, at my honest opinion, i like this show when all about the pharmacy crime and its justification toward the criminality. I like police show, or even mystery thriller kind of show. But, this show really goin too far that my mind can not even follow from the initial point of plot. I mean, yes the story interesting. However, im so naives. Sometimes the plot so decent and lame. Its decision to give some kind of supernatural bulshit ability for mind-controlling people really not my type too. When i liking the story again with presidents phylosophy, all of them just crushed in fast movement. The Babylon, not your typical generic anime. With colorful theme of idealism at you base of story, this show was gone too dark, even the conclusion so dark to even understand. So i just say this again. I was too naive. But, i need to focus. Like Mr President did, i may come to think, is this show good, or bad? My mind will keep this short and simple, rather giving bullshit explanations like the dead presidents of America. I give this show 6 at overall. Reason was simple. If i decide to separate this as two parts, my good score goes by episode 1 til 7, and the rest are bad. So if everything get to mean rate, i will give this an ultimate 5 points of score. However, when i come to liking something, i will stay true to my decision. As my initial point of viem, i keep thinking this show as a masterpiece. So to keep my points to stay true too, i give this plus 1. Then, for my respect to Zen's decision to my point raise by 1 again. My point can keep up abit in 8, tho. However, your decision, Zen's, by . Damn. At last, to keep my review as short as possible, finally i give this rate a 7/10 maxed scores. And all the reason just like i stated above. Case closed, and.... RIP. |
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| This isn't mystery. It is philosophy jargon with some supernatural elements. All people in the show are idiots with lack of solid reasoning except the villain and her motivation is never revealed. The suicide law is super dumb and is never going to work in a realistic scenario. The show doesn't seem to understand that mental diseases can also make a person commit suicide. It assumes that all the decisions taken by people are sound. This anime isn't for people that don't like to think. People that think will find this anime horrendous because the concepts presented aren't thought out well and are only half baked. That makes it not for anyone. It is obvious that Magase can't control women. So what does the show do? Make every important cast a male and the only one relevant female gets killed. Why no other female officers on her case? The whole anime was bad, not just the ending. 3/10. |
| Why did i even bother watching the last 4 episodes that i put On-Hold a few months ago lmao. That was a waste of time. Excellent first 7 episodes, garbage last 5. 4/10, would've been way worst if the first seven were not good too. |
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TGAvi said: Chrome_Falcon said: This isn't mystery. It is philosophy jargon with some supernatural elements. All people in the show are idiots with lack of solid reasoning except the villain and her motivation is never revealed. The suicide law is super dumb and is never going to work in a realistic scenario. The show doesn't seem to understand that mental diseases can also make a person commit suicide. It assumes that all the decisions taken by people are sound. This anime isn't for people that don't like to think. People that think will find this anime horrendous because the concepts presented aren't thought out well and are only half baked. That makes it not for anyone. It is obvious that Magase can't control women. So what does the show do? Make every important cast a male and the only one relevant female gets killed. Why no other female officers on her case? The whole anime was bad, not just the ending. 3/10. You should read novel This adaptation not good I will look into it in the future. |
| After rewatching this show with my brother, that i wanted to show it to him because i think its really good and has some really good directing, animation, artstyle, sound and acting i finally understood this ending and i'm no longer mad at it, but i think it makes perfect sense, in fact, i don't even think Magase was there at the end at all either, giving the fact she was blonde and then she looks like her "normal self" when she sees him, it could have been her at the end too, she maybe changed her clothes and put on the wig, maybe, yes. But that is not important, he did what he had to do to deliver the message, the President by killing himself would have invalidated his whole argument that i think was pretty interesting to say the least, the way he reached his conclusion was interesting, and i think i agree with the result he had at the end with his idea of good and bad, but maybe the end part being too open, more like people dying more than things ending in general. In general a really unfair ending, Magase cheated on the game twice, she couldn't break Zen's second assistence mentally so she killed her, being in a metaphoric way also a way of trying to kill Zen's ideals, becuase Zen and his partner where in the same page in their ideas of justice, but Zen resisted even that, so now that the president managed to crack the code and find out what is good and bad she just killed him too, he was about to win the game, but Magase just got rid of him doing the same thing again, trying to kill Zen's idea of justice again by killing someone that share his idea of justice, but this time Zen had to kill him so this ideal doesn't dissapear. This is just messy the way I wrote this but i think now I think the ending makes sense, and its not as bad as seasonal watchers say it is (including me) becuase of the 2 long waits to end this 12 ep show. I still wanted to have a epilogue, the structure of this show felt like death note and death note got this right, it managed to do a epilogue to the story of L when he died, that story also ended in a unfair way for the investigation team, the thing is that deathnote continued and then it had like a new arc with new characters but that new arc with the kids also had an epilogue, they didn't just kill light and then credit rolls, they kill light and show you what happened to some characters, 1 more episode to babylon could have been something that will improve this so much, or just have the final episode a little longer showing how shit ended. Are we expected to assume the law didn't pass because the president in the public eye didn't kill himself and Zen delivered the message somehow? he did kill the president so the whole thing wasn't going to be invalidated, or did it pass because the one guy who had the answer got killed, idk, its such an ambiguous and also bittersweet ending that could have been less ambiguous by showing you the results kind of more directly. Still after this little rant about the ending, it is really a great show, i didn't know Revoroot before watching this show, but now i'm down to see what they will do next giving the quality this show presented us by having a distinct artstlye, some good cgi that looked weird only sometimes but for the most part actually good cgi, amazing direction that hold thru out the whole show and shined the most in episode 2 and sometimes too more near the end, little details on how people talked in other countries, such as how the president is more informal speaking with Zen than when Zen was in Japan which is a good touch (but idk if this was them really, but just the original novel they adapted was like this). Animation wise it was really convincing that the guys working in this studio know what they are doing becuase of how good they portray the little things, deciding what things to make more fluid and giving detail, how there is sometimes a soft pong light on the chracters faces, the whole thing looks like the people who made this made it knowing their anatomy really well and how this characters are in a 3d space, really an outstanding job keeping something stylized and cared about its look till the end of the show without it losing quality at all. |
| To me, this in the end amounted to being incredibly and surprisingly style over any real substance. Yet at the same time I can't say I didn't enjoy watching it. For its direction, some of its music and visuals. And just the way the plot progressed and characters themselves were interesting enough to watch. But it's kind of devoid of any actual meaningful philosophical content other than the most rudimentary ideas which have already been discussed and debated countless times without any new or inspiring take added; I was hoping for a little of a more novel or thorough, meaty, and substantive look at some of those ideas, but it never arrived. I also thought there was going to be an entire plot with Magase which also just sadly...never came. Her actual motivations beyond "I'm evil to be against good" and such which were really basic, elementary, and seemingly undeveloped. I don't actually believe in "evil" either as a legitimate concept in the real world. It's one thing to question the existence of the validity of evil as a concept and another to proclaim you're evil and evil is somehow good. That doesn't make sense to me and seems like too much of a supervillain motive. If you believe killing people is good to thin and reduce the numbers of the human population or something similar, then this would become what is good to you - still not you being "evil". It's a catch-22 conundrum type deal because if you believe what is "evil" is "good" then to you it actually is no longer "evil" in the first place. I just didn't at all like how Magase as a character wasn't more fleshed out, the philosophy and ideology were too basic, and she had an innate and seemingly omnipotent ability to brainwash, mind control, and puppet people in a short amount of time from just a glance and words, this is portrayed to be on the level of something completely magical in how unstoppable and unnatural/inhuman and invincible it is, yet there is never even any attempt made to explain or justify what it is. It's just undeclared/unspoken "magic". I thought when going into this that there would actually be some complex plot involving brainwashing and inducing suicide or something but it doesn't amount to more than just "magic", basically. They didn't do it with drugs and they didn't do it with a convincing argument either. This will probably end up as a 6/10 for me. |
| Some say that hope is the last thing you lose but damn, people here were right. This series indeed managed to screw itself with this lame finale. Lots of questions were left unanswered (Itsuki's role; the final decision about the Suicide Law, etc.) and there was absolutely no sense of proper closure. Such a shame... in the end, I can't blame those people who felt like this show was a total waste of time. Overall, it was a quite unsatisfying ending for a show which had, at first, a rather promising premise. So the girl who wanted to commit suicide was just a random person and the real Magase was always in the same building as Alex and Seizaki while taking the aspect of some random secretary... okay. Honestly, this series really need to have the "fantasy" tag added because Magase with her unrealistic/supernatural powers and the whole fact of this episode portraying (and nearly confirming) her as the pure embodiment of evil aka Satan that tempts both men and women alike really are worth of that genre designation. Oh man, how much I would have wished this series to remain within the margins of reality but in the end, its main general idea wasn't that different from KADO's more fantastic one: "What would happen if a creature/being (because I'm sure as hell that Magase is basically Satan on earth) that humanity can't understand, suddenly appears to shake the preconceptions and morals of society?" 4/10 - In the end, this series had a good amount of interesting episodes and some very well directed scenes but the lack of closure and the idea of trying to run a realistic script while having a character such as Magase were too significant for me to consider this anime as something good. |
| The first three episodes was good and promising some potential. but then, it went drastically down and stared to become boring!! Magase's ability was not convincing also the ending will be better if Zen killed both Alex and the bitch, but instead he let Magase walk away?! Because they concluded that "good" is the continuation of life?! That is some bad writing over here. |
| It proves that the stuff (I don't want say the whole Japan) is not ready to solve the its suicide problem. The whole anime was about decide if suicide is good or bad, but that's not even a question. Why do some people commit suicide ? This question is to be asked both on a individual scale (why do this person wants to kill himself ?) and while considering the whole society (why do Japan has one of the higher suicide rate ?) What can be done to help them ? The anime sort of answer this question by saying : kill them painlessly. So yeah, the premise was good, the show has potential... but the execution was failed by a large margin. |
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