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| I'm very torn about my opinion on Kiritsugu (he did kill my boy Lancer after all) A strong episode. Natalia was kickass. |
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Impala said: RedRoseFring said: Great backstory. Now I know why he's such an awesome character. Impressive episode. +1 Damn, that was emotional! Kiritsugu was cold. Natalia :( |
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| What the fuck is wrong with that asshole? Oh my god this is like Suzaku all over again. "I'm one of the good guys, I kill to save other people hurr durrrrrr" -_- |
GatorMay 14, 2015 4:24 AM
| I'm pretty sure he could have taken different repercussions instead of blowing up the whole damn jet from the get go, like swimming to the land and break the window so only Natalia can get out? Oh well, though it would of been more dramatic and sad if she purposely dove to the ground to explode the whole jet. |
InfiniteXV said: I'm pretty sure he could have taken different repercussions instead of blowing up the whole damn jet from the get go, like swimming to the land and break the window so only Natalia can get out? Oh well, though it would of been more dramatic and sad if she purposely dove to the ground to explode the whole jet. Which would result in bees getting out. So no. |
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| Ahh the feels at the end. For them to become so close and then killing her. At this point its hard to say if I respect his character or not. Sacrificing what is so important to him to protect the greater numbers. Trying to become that hero of justice. I don't like how he is, but I do feel bad for him. |
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CookingPriest said: What I was expecting is for her to break through the window at the front of the jet so she can escape, and the bees would still be in the main part of the jet. The jet could then be blown up so Natalie can survive but the bees are killed.InfiniteXV said: I'm pretty sure he could have taken different repercussions instead of blowing up the whole damn jet from the get go, like swimming to the land and break the window so only Natalia can get out? Oh well, though it would of been more dramatic and sad if she purposely dove to the ground to explode the whole jet. Which would result in bees getting out. So no. |
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WisestOne said: falling into the ocean from that height is like hitting solid rockCookingPriest said: What I was expecting is for her to break through the window at the front of the jet so she can escape, and the bees would still be in the main part of the jet. The jet could then be blown up so Natalie can survive but the bees are killed.Which would result in bees getting out. So no. |
| wow, fucking amazing. 5/5. I knew Natalia would die during the flashback, but I didn't know that's how they would kill her off. Amazing. Kiritsugu is twisted, and I love it. |
Lucena said: I thought it was an o.k. flashback episode up until the twist. I was ready to throw my computer out the window until Kiritsugu explained his reasoning for shooting down the plane. I already had a feeling that Natalia wasn't going to make it, but not like that. Also, does anyone else think Kiritsugu's reasoning for killing Natalia is a little flawed? Not really, it is consistent with the last episode where he killed his father. His character is one where his feelings are DETACHED from killing. He takes lives into account by the number of lives rather than what he feels for a certain life, say his 'family'. The only flaw is that HOW did he become this cold and easy to kill people so apathetically. The reasoning that he didn't kill Shirley and then it led to more people dying is WEAK IMO. But it could be a valid reason if he loved Shirley and regretted not killing her THAT MUCH. |
| holy shit, these past two episodes about Kiritusugu have been indescribable. I actually...bawled at the end of this episode. Kiritsugu screaming in agony.... I felt it all. When Kiritsugu lifted that rocket launcher, I was seriously panicking. Fuck...I really really liked Natalia especially towards the end. Amazing, yet this sorrow I feel for Kiritsugu is real. Wow. |
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| What a dirty strategy. |
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| Ughh, so fucking depressing. Loving Kiritsugu even more each episode. Such a awesome written character. |
| *insert cringey anime reference here* |
| Natalia's smile though, she taught him well. Kiritsugu is easily my favorite character, he always remains true to himself |
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| Kiritsugu's amazing and tragic backstory Part 2: A blast of Maturity. Yeah... That works. This episode is probably the bleakest of the whole show, and considering this season in particular, that's quite the achievement. Remember Natalia, that girl in the flashback mid-season 1, telling Kiritsugu to use the origin bullets? Well, let's watch her raise an adolescent Kiritsugu. This answers two very important questions; those being: how Kiritsugu got his grey morality, and why he smokes (when away from family). Their banter is pretty amusing, and their dynamic was pretty interesting considering that both were mercenaries. This honestly made the final sequence with Natalia in the plane just that much more tragic. Kiritsugu lost the two most important women in his life, and if something happens, that number's bound to increase. This concludes Kiritsugu's backstory, and man was it beautiful. If episode 15 was one of the three contenders for the show's high point, then this two part backstory makes the second contender for that honor. |
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| [Re-watch | BD version] Painfully beautiful... I actually shed some tears... Kiritsugu's pain... was there to grasp... Natallia saw it coming, she was proud of Kiritsugu, that he reunited the strength he needed to finish the job. The sacrifice for the greater good, kill a loved person to save thousands maybe millions that will not thank him. That's a big sacrifice, Kiritsugu knows it well. Again, more reasons to love Kiritsugu's character development and Fate/Zero as a whole. I mean, I have not much to say, it is all there, the feels... It's a tragic backstory, the one that made Emiya Kiritsugu how he is, why he pursues his goal, how it was born, how HE was born, the one he is now. As a note: This was the plane that Kirei read Kiritsugu blowed up because his target was inside, back in episode 01 (first half of Fate/Zero) |
HumbertoZeroMay 2, 2016 7:11 PM
| wow. just wtf. this is getting crazier. how they were talking to each other, and how she was reminiscing over her life and how she is *usually* so strict on Kiritsugu made it pretty obvious she was about to die, but I honestly was thinking maybe the ghouls would break through the cargo door. Not have Kiritsugu sacrifice her. He freaked the fuck out after, too. well, intense shit. |
dextronautJun 28, 2016 8:07 AM
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| Past 2 episodes helped us understanding the character of Kiritsugu. First he killed his father and now, Natalia. He would do anything to save the world!! |
| She could have landed. Busted the front window. Take care of the ghouls afterwards. Flawed/10 |
| Moral of the story: Always keep a parachute handy during potentially fatal airborne missions. R.I.P. Natalia. I liked these two episodes, despite the drastic change in setting. I complemented them by listening to the Drama CD in the BD, which rounded off Kiritsugu's character development nicely. The next episode opens with Kiritsugu seeing Irisviel, so this is perfect timing. |
| Well I had a feeling that would happen, I guess that was his last time he will shed tears. |
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| Wow what an episode. I actually thought Kiritsugu would have some plan on landing somewhere in the airport and having some sort of mercenaries kill all the ghouls while Natalia escapes. But I guess he didn't want the same thing that happened in the village back then. Maybe that's the story Saber predicted when they were talking about back when Lancer was killed. Can't wait for the next episode! |
| Well, those two last episodes kinda helped me to better understand Kiritsugu, but I still don't approve his methods. |
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| wow, the two episodes about Kiritsugu's past were great. I still don't quite like him/ approve of his methods, but now I understand him. I rarely change my opinion on a character, but this anime managed to make me change my mind. |
| All those death flags in the final conversation between Kerry and Natalia. Saber's observation Kerry aka Kiritsugu wasn't able to save someone which explains his actions in past episodes was right. |
| These last two episodes were amazing. |
| Welp this single ep shits on the first half of grisaria no rakuen But once again:where are the cops?where are the journalists? But i am pretty sure that there was a lot of ways to save the day without killing her |
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Lucena said: I thought it was an o.k. flashback episode up until the twist. I was ready to throw my computer out the window until Kiritsugu explained his reasoning for shooting down the plane. I already had a feeling that Natalia wasn't going to make it, but not like that. Also, does anyone else think Kiritsugu's reasoning for killing Natalia is a little flawed? I was able to understand his reasoning. Just remember what has happende on the island. Cause of him not killing Shirley the whole island, everybody just got transformed into "zombies" and everyone had to die. So he was exactley in the same situation again. By killing Natalia by destorying the whole plane he played it safe. Otherwise there was a possibility that some of the bees could have escaped and many more people needed to die again. |
| My only regret is having regrets! |
| Fantastically good episode, and that ending song sent it over the moon. |
| 2nd filler ep in a row. IT WAS THE BEES AND TSUKIHIME which made Kiritsugu like this. I think I'll just consider all this fanfiction. |
| That was an insane episode, Kiritsugu! |
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| It was at the moment that Natalia said that he wanted to act as his mother, that Kiritsugu had the resolve to shot down the plane. Speaking of mother, his mother wasn't showed, probably used for experiment by his dad. Kiritsugu saved Natalia from embarassment. If it was Shirou, I bet he will do that. |
| He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame. |
| Ever since it was mentioned that he took down a whole plane on his own, I knew it had to be sth. like these. And oh was it emotional. They knew how this was going to end when she saw the first ghoul but I still clung to some false hope anyway... |
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| RiP best mom Natalia, was sad to see Kiri breaking like that. |
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Come to think of it they are so many ways to kill those ghouls. Even he made a big sacrifice. but he still could rescue his mother or Natalia. But he chose to kill Natalia. That is the easy way to stop those ghouls. Kinda sound heartless but he is what he did to prevent dying more people. Make me cry  |
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