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Jun 16, 2012 8:25 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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No OP.

Irisviel became the cup.

sever battle against the two most enemies.

That Berserker talked a bit before being killed by Saber.

The vision of Kiritsugu's choice of the cup is interesting, the enemy saw it, too, and Kiritsugu won.

Saber caught up to the cup and the servant of priest already arrived. He wanted her to be the bride? She refused, but Kiritsugu appeared and ordered her to destroy the cup!

There's ED. And the final ep.'s title is Fate/Zero.
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Jun 16, 2012 8:51 AM

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Not sure how to feel about this episode coming from a novel reader's perspective.
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Not sure how to feel about this episode coming from a novel reader's perspective.


I feel the same.Saber vs Lancelot was butchered,dream scene was a bit weird but better than looking at it from the sky or something but I think it would be better to have Iri-Angra Mainyu talk instead of "Kiritsugu".Iri+Ilya+Kerry scene although not bad lacked something.

The bad thing was that the scenes that were cut were obvious most of the time.I hope they fix it in the Bd
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/a/ is throwing a bitch fit over this episode. Is it really that bad? They had like a million animators working on this episode.
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Well that started out good but overall was good and the events became pretty dumb :/. Kiritsugu still needed even more development?!


Action was nice
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/a/ is throwing a bitch fit over this episode. Is it really that bad? They had like a million animators working on this episode.


they are probably butthurt for the fact that Kerry wasn't owned by Kirei.

Well, my opinion is the following:
The episode was 3.5/5 - 4/5, no more.
They killed, simply destroyed the Seibah x Berseker scene, which I didn't like at all
+1 point for Kerry owning Kirei
+1 point for Kerry overall - good decision
+1 for Kirei imploring and being almost desperate for having the Grail
Kinda ... as I said in the previous (episode 10) thread: they should have made 2 episodes: 1 of them 1 hour another 20 minutes, so that they include more fighting.

Also, I changed my opinion about Gil after Fate/Zero (well 1 episode still remains but ...). He is a good candidate for my favourite characters in Fate series now.
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27CansOfTuna said:
Well that started out good but overall was good and the events became pretty dumb :/. Kiritsugu still needed even more development?!


Action was nice


It wasnt a Kiritsugu development scene.Like I said the problem is that they had "himself" show how the grail would grant his wish.Also the scene with Ilya and Iri would make no sense without it
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Kerry vs Kirei was satisfactory at most parts. But that second block by Kirei of the Contender was disappointing. Where's my whirlwind punch that deflected the bullet and not absorbed it?
And wtf happened to the Berserker vs Saber part. Why is is so gimped? Where's my flashbacks and the post battle talk. Dammit, BDs for sure.
The Grail part was very satisfying though. Full of despair. Kerry's despair for the outcome of his wish was just...wow.
And I knew it would end at that part. Saber's despair at Kerry's last commands.
Really, aside from the Berserker vs Saber part, this would have been a perfect episode. Dammit.
Last episode next week. And where F/Z ends, F/SN begins, as evident in the preview.

Happy Father's Day. Dammit ufotable, you're doing this on purpose
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Kerry vs Kirei was satisfactory at most parts. But that second block by Kirei of the Contender was disappointing. Where's my whirlwind punch that deflected the bullet and not absorbed it?
And wtf happened to the Berserker vs Saber part. Why is is so gimped? Where's my flashbacks and the post battle talk. Dammit, BDs for sure.
The Grail part was very satisfying though. Full of despair. Kerry's despair for the outcome of his wish was just...wow.
And I knew it would end at that part. Saber's despair at Kerry's last commands.
Really, aside from the Berserker vs Saber part, this would have been an awesome episode. Dammit.
Last episode next week. And where F/Z ends, F/SN begins, as evident in the preview.

Happy Father's Day. Dammit ufotable, you're doing this on purpose


Agreed, we need a BD now so the episode can be perfect. I had high expectations about the berserker/Saber batle and closure and we just got trolled by Ufotable...

the rest was just perfect, the grail scene and all. The scream of saber trying to stop the excalibur was really nice too.
 
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Ah...*****, only 24 minutes. Oh, well, lets see how this end up. Here's hoping that they at least gave Kariya a proper send off.
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belatkuro said:
Kerry vs Kirei was satisfactory at most parts. But that second block by Kirei of the Contender was disappointing. Where's my whirlwind punch that deflected the bullet and not absorbed it?
And wtf happened to the Berserker vs Saber part. Why is is so gimped? Where's my flashbacks and the post battle talk. Dammit, BDs for sure.
The Grail part was very satisfying though. Full of despair. Kerry's despair for the outcome of his wish was just...wow.
And I knew it would end at that part. Saber's despair at Kerry's last commands.
Really, aside from the Berserker vs Saber part, this would have been an awesome episode. Dammit.
Last episode next week. And where F/Z ends, F/SN begins, as evident in the preview.

Happy Father's Day. Dammit ufotable, you're doing this on purpose


Forget the flashback.There was no despair,Saber successfullydeflected Lancelot's attacks in the anime,Lancelot's "death" was the most disappointing scene in both seasons and she didnt resist at all against the command sealsl.Even in the first it was just Excalibur revealing itself....

BD's better be good.
2/5 and it's the first time I rated a FZ ep below 5
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Eternal glory and winning the grail isn't easy...



Intense episode is intense between the battle of the masters.

Some pictures:


Also, another servant bites the dust:



Another fitting day for Father's Day, thanks F/Z :)
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It was butchered, indeed, but they managed to contain key points (if I regret something it is lack of Berserkers flashbacks/background/everything and messing up Kirei's contender blocking). *insert BDs prayers*

But more than that, for all people who felt unhappy with Irisviel's death by hands of Kirei please enjoy rendition of the scene brought to you by Sehai-kun! Now with Ilya as a bonus to ensure 100% more despair!
 
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/a/ is throwing a bitch fit over this episode. Is it really that bad? They had like a million animators working on this episode.

Too many cooks in the kitchen ruins the stew.

Too many animators and directors in the studio ruins the episode.
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It was butchered, indeed, but they managed to contain key points (if I regret something it is lack of Berserkers flashbacks/background/everything and messing up Kirei's contender blocking). *insert BDs prayers*

But more than that, for all people who felt unhappy with Irisviel's death by hands of Kirei please enjoy rendition of the scene brought to you by Sehai-kun! Now with Ilya as a bonus to ensure 100% more despair!


Come on.These werent even the real ones.Shocking?Yes.But it's not like anyone died in that scene.Except for Kiritsugu's soul of course...
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NNick said:
YOU ALL CAN GO _____ yourselves.
I haven't read the novel nor do i care at this point but this episode was beyond epic.


well, nobody'd have said anything if you just mentioned that it's beyond epic

nvm
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That fight was so beautiful......
 
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YOU ALL CAN GO _____ yourselves.
I haven't read the novel nor do i care at this point but this episode was beyond epic.


Wasnt Saber's victory out of nowhere?Srsly?People were bitching about Gil pulling Ea out of his ass yet they are satisfied with Saber's victory?I guess Kerry's explanation was enough when he revived so ok 1/3 of the ep WAS epic
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It was all just a dream right? He didn't kill his own child and Iri?


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NNick said:
YOU ALL CAN GO _____ yourselves.
I haven't read the novel nor do i care at this point but this episode was beyond epic.


Wasnt Saber's victory out of nowhere?Srsly?People were bitching about Gil pulling Ea out of his ass yet they are satisfied with Saber's victory?I guess Kerry's explanation was enough when he revived so ok 1/3 of the ep WAS epic


Don't really care about Saber, I was cheering For Rider. It is however fun to see her suffering.
 
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ssjokg said:
belatkuro said:
Kerry vs Kirei was satisfactory at most parts. But that second block by Kirei of the Contender was disappointing. Where's my whirlwind punch that deflected the bullet and not absorbed it?
And wtf happened to the Berserker vs Saber part. Why is is so gimped? Where's my flashbacks and the post battle talk. Dammit, BDs for sure.
The Grail part was very satisfying though. Full of despair. Kerry's despair for the outcome of his wish was just...wow.
And I knew it would end at that part. Saber's despair at Kerry's last commands.
Really, aside from the Berserker vs Saber part, this would have been an awesome episode. Dammit.
Last episode next week. And where F/Z ends, F/SN begins, as evident in the preview.

Happy Father's Day. Dammit ufotable, you're doing this on purpose


Forget the flashback.There was no despair,Saber successfullydeflected Lancelot's attacks in the anime,Lancelot's "death" was the most disappointing scene in both seasons and she didnt resist at all against the command sealsl.Even in the first it was just Excalibur revealing itself....

BD's better be good.
2/5 and it's the first time I rated a FZ ep below 5


Actually, kariya broke down, so berserker couldn't fight anymore. I'm sure they will show this in the BD, you can clearly see that the scene was cut. Right now looks like she won the battle by the most ridiculous way, so we need to wait for the BD release.
 
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just watched it. Quite disappointing, I wanted to taste Saber's tears Goddammit! Berserker's death was the worst part. But, I guess this is a ploy to force us to buy those damn BD's
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Gamaliel said:
ssjokg said:
belatkuro said:
Kerry vs Kirei was satisfactory at most parts. But that second block by Kirei of the Contender was disappointing. Where's my whirlwind punch that deflected the bullet and not absorbed it?
And wtf happened to the Berserker vs Saber part. Why is is so gimped? Where's my flashbacks and the post battle talk. Dammit, BDs for sure.
The Grail part was very satisfying though. Full of despair. Kerry's despair for the outcome of his wish was just...wow.
And I knew it would end at that part. Saber's despair at Kerry's last commands.
Really, aside from the Berserker vs Saber part, this would have been an awesome episode. Dammit.
Last episode next week. And where F/Z ends, F/SN begins, as evident in the preview.

Happy Father's Day. Dammit ufotable, you're doing this on purpose


Forget the flashback.There was no despair,Saber successfullydeflected Lancelot's attacks in the anime,Lancelot's "death" was the most disappointing scene in both seasons and she didnt resist at all against the command sealsl.Even in the first it was just Excalibur revealing itself....

BD's better be good.
2/5 and it's the first time I rated a FZ ep below 5


Actually, kariya broke down, so berserker couldn't fight anymore. I'm sure they will show this in the BD, you can clearly see that the scene was cut. Right now looks like she won the battle by the most ridiculous way, so we need to wait for the BD release.


I know thats why I am bitching about it.They could have made the dream scene a bit faster.The fight (tv version)was nothing like the LN
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ssjokg said:
Trenerka said:
But more than that, for all people who felt unhappy with Irisviel's death by hands of Kirei please enjoy rendition of the scene brought to you by Sehai-kun! Now with Ilya as a bonus to ensure 100% more despair!


Come on.These werent even the real ones.Shocking?Yes.But it's not like anyone died in that scene.Except for Kiritsugu's soul of course...

Am I not even allowed for some grail-black humor here? Geeeez. And I especially threw CP reference so it would be obvious that I'm completely not serious.

And I liked this episode Iri murder version more. Way more suffering and cute Ilya really gave extra impact.
 
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So, he'll destroy the Grail thus saving the world ...from what? Another war?
 
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It was all just a dream right? He didn't kill his own child and Iri?

If he had too, you bet your ass he would kill them. Kerry is fucked up beyond belief.
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RAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

WHY IS UFOTABLE RUINING MY FATE/ZERO GODDAMNIT!!!!!

Seriously, I knew this would freaking happen the moment I saw the preview last week. URRRRR. Rushed ART, rushed DEATH, rushed PROPOSAL, everything RUSHED.............. WHY???
 
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dankickyou said:
NNick said:
It was all just a dream right? He didn't kill his own child and Iri?

If he had too, you bet your ass he would kill them. Kerry is fucked up beyond belief.


Yeah, that's why i like that dude, just like Kira, he will do anything in order to obtain his goals.
 
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man the kiritsugu/kirei fight was just fucking win. his epicness in combat from heavens feel is what made me like him as much as i do. that animation was just orgasmic. loved that shit. did not like how they showed no fuckign fight for berserker/saber wtf. pissed me off. seeing his inner dialogue with the grail was good. see why he ordered saber. always thought he knew beforehand what the grail did. poor saber. shirou voice at the preview. cant fucking wait for the finale
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Gotta wait till Blu-Ray. I still believe this episode should have been 1 hour long, because Saber vs Berserker didn't have a proper conclusion and Kerry vs Kirei was too short. Also, the dream sequence wasn't bad but after reading that part in the LN I expected more.

Liked the ending though; I admit I loved Saber in FSN but in FZ I absolutely dislike her while Gil is more interesting. Her stupid idea of rewriting history with the grail is absolutely disgusting, as Rider said. I'm glad she didn't get the grail for such wish.

The one who talked in the preview of the last episode, was Shirou, right?
 
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Trenerka said:
ssjokg said:
Trenerka said:
But more than that, for all people who felt unhappy with Irisviel's death by hands of Kirei please enjoy rendition of the scene brought to you by Sehai-kun! Now with Ilya as a bonus to ensure 100% more despair!


Come on.These werent even the real ones.Shocking?Yes.But it's not like anyone died in that scene.Except for Kiritsugu's soul of course...

Am I not even allowed for some grail-black humor here? Geeeez. And I especially threw CP reference so it would be obvious that I'm completely not serious.

And I liked this episode Iri murder version more. Way more suffering and cute Ilya really gave extra impact.


You arent serious that was obvious from Seihai-kun and the fact that you read FZ before but you know how some will react to this scene.Of course some reactions will be funny so nvm...
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RAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

WHY IS UFOTABLE RUINING MY FATE/ZERO GODDAMNIT!!!!!

Seriously, I knew this would freaking happen the moment I saw the preview last week. URRRRR. Rushed ART, rushed DEATH, rushed PROPOSAL, everything RUSHED.............. WHY???

To make you buy the BD's what else. I refuse to believe a studio like Ufotable would tarnish the penultimate episode unless its for a purpose. That purpose=$$$$$$$$$$
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Who's Shirou?

Maybe this episode wasn't good for people who have watched/read other fate products or whatever, you know, like when Harry Potter fans say books are better than movies.
 
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Destruction of the grail, love it!

Still don't agree with Lancelot as Berserker, that really threw out any love I had for this series. >.<
 
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Who's Shirou?

Maybe this episode wasn't good for people who have watched/read other fate products or whatever, you know, like when Harry Potter fans say books are better than movies.


Fate/stay night main char.

If you dont feel like entire scenes were missing then ok.

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Destruction of the grail, love it!

Still don't agree with Lancelot as Berserker, that really threw out any love I had for this series. >.<


Why?
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This episode again reminds me of why Gilgamesh is so awesome.
 
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Kiritsugu... ;__;

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NNick said:
Who's Shirou?

Maybe this episode wasn't good for people who have watched/read other fate products or whatever, you know, like when Harry Potter fans say books are better than movies.

Well, I only read the last parts of the LN because I know that a book is way better than a movie or tv show but man, even if you don't read the LN you expect a proper conclusion to Saber vs Berserker. Lancelot was a loyal knight to Arthur/Arthuria and as such they needed more spotlight.

Sigh, this show was getting a 10 from me. Now it went to 9. Hopefully they don't butcher the last episode.

How come the first episode Ufotable got a 1 hour special while this one, which is quite important, only 24 minutes?; can't understand this.
 
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dankickyou said:
Lumathy said:
RAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

WHY IS UFOTABLE RUINING MY FATE/ZERO GODDAMNIT!!!!!

Seriously, I knew this would freaking happen the moment I saw the preview last week. URRRRR. Rushed ART, rushed DEATH, rushed PROPOSAL, everything RUSHED.............. WHY???

To make you buy the BD's what else. I refuse to believe a studio like Ufotable would tarnish the penultimate episode unless its for a purpose. That purpose=$$$$$$$$$$

They did this with episode 11 too. Episode 11 was longer and they fixed some art in the BD version but overall the ART DROP is still noticeable compared to other eps. Seriously DERP FACE everywhere this episode. And that pacing? HORRIBLE!! DURRRRRRRWhy the hell do they always fuck up the important parts? CURSE YOU UFOTABLE I'm not buying your BD!!!
 
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ssjokg said:
Trenerka said:
ssjokg said:
Trenerka said:
But more than that, for all people who felt unhappy with Irisviel's death by hands of Kirei please enjoy rendition of the scene brought to you by Sehai-kun! Now with Ilya as a bonus to ensure 100% more despair!


Come on.These werent even the real ones.Shocking?Yes.But it's not like anyone died in that scene.Except for Kiritsugu's soul of course...

Am I not even allowed for some grail-black humor here? Geeeez. And I especially threw CP reference so it would be obvious that I'm completely not serious.

And I liked this episode Iri murder version more. Way more suffering and cute Ilya really gave extra impact.


You arent serious that was obvious from Seihai-kun and the fact that you read FZ before but you know how some will react to this scene.Of course some reactions will be funny so nvm...

I know and I am SO gonna enjoy it. I am also waiting for people's reaction to last episode and their overall assesment. I like to read reviews and people's feelings about series that I enjoy, even if they have different opinions.
 
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ssjokg said:
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Who's Shirou?

Maybe this episode wasn't good for people who have watched/read other fate products or whatever, you know, like when Harry Potter fans say books are better than movies.


Fate/stay night main char.

If you dont feel like entire scenes were missing then ok.

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Destruction of the grail, love it!

Still don't agree with Lancelot as Berserker, that really threw out any love I had for this series. >.<


Why?


Yeah, just rewatched it again, it was pretty, random, but hell, its Berserker, who cares. Everything else was amazing though.

How did saber get to the Grail so fast though? And by killing master, shouldn't servant disappear?


What's LN everyone's talking about?
 
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How did saber get to the Grail so fast though? And by killing master, shouldn't servant disappear?
The Berserker/Saber fight was at the carpark beneath the municipal hall where the Grail is. So she got there by walking. Well, limping because Lancelot beat her up good.
 
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Are you talking about Gilgamesh?; Archer class has a trait called Independent Action. That means they can stay in the world much longer than other servants. Hell, even a heroic spirit with Independent Action A+ can stay always in the world, as long as he doesn't uses a Noble Phantasm.
 
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How did saber get to the Grail so fast though? And by killing master, shouldn't servant disappear?

Archer has a skill Independent Action: A, which allows him to remain in the world for even several days after his Master's death.
 
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Lumathy said:
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RAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

WHY IS UFOTABLE RUINING MY FATE/ZERO GODDAMNIT!!!!!

Seriously, I knew this would freaking happen the moment I saw the preview last week. URRRRR. Rushed ART, rushed DEATH, rushed PROPOSAL, everything RUSHED.............. WHY???

To make you buy the BD's what else. I refuse to believe a studio like Ufotable would tarnish the penultimate episode unless its for a purpose. That purpose=$$$$$$$$$$

They did this with episode 11 too. Episode 11 was longer and they fixed some art in the BD version but overall the ART DROP is still noticeable compared to other eps. Seriously DERP FACE everywhere this episode. And that pacing? HORRIBLE!! DURRRRRRRWhy the hell do they always fuck up the important parts? CURSE YOU UFOTABLE I'm not buying your BD!!!


IMO ep 11 was fine compared to this
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It was a decent ep. Not the best though. I definitely expected more. Bluray plz.
 
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ssjokg said:
Lumathy said:
dankickyou said:
Lumathy said:
RAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

WHY IS UFOTABLE RUINING MY FATE/ZERO GODDAMNIT!!!!!

Seriously, I knew this would freaking happen the moment I saw the preview last week. URRRRR. Rushed ART, rushed DEATH, rushed PROPOSAL, everything RUSHED.............. WHY???

To make you buy the BD's what else. I refuse to believe a studio like Ufotable would tarnish the penultimate episode unless its for a purpose. That purpose=$$$$$$$$$$

They did this with episode 11 too. Episode 11 was longer and they fixed some art in the BD version but overall the ART DROP is still noticeable compared to other eps. Seriously DERP FACE everywhere this episode. And that pacing? HORRIBLE!! DURRRRRRRWhy the hell do they always fuck up the important parts? CURSE YOU UFOTABLE I'm not buying your BD!!!


IMO ep 11 was fine compared to this

At least now people can shut up about UFOtable doing Heaven's Feel adaption, seeing that they can't even handle the pacing of a LINEAR novel with clear plot, there's clearly no hope for them to pull off a VN adaption.
 
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So basically, everyone dies in the end. (Fate/Zero)
Then Everyone gets re-summoned in Fate/Stay Night and war/fighting continues.


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NNick said:

Yeah, just rewatched it again, it was pretty, random, but hell, its Berserker, who cares. Everything else was amazing though.

How did saber get to the Grail so fast though? And by killing master, shouldn't servant disappear?

What's LN everyone's talking about?


A lot actually cared for that scene.You can see that in the posts.It's not only me.

LN=Light novel


NNick said:
So basically, everyone dies in the end. (Fate/Zero)
Then Everyone gets re-summoned in Fate/Stay Night and war/fighting continues.


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NNick said:
So basically, everyone dies in the end. (Fate/Zero)
Then Everyone gets re-summoned in Fate/Stay Night and war/fighting continues.

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NNick said:
So basically, everyone dies in the end. (Fate/Zero)
Then Everyone gets re-summoned in Fate/Stay Night and war/fighting continues.

Not exactly. The only servants who re appears in FSN is Saber and ermmm...

But after that we get new masters and servants.
 
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