Wandering Witch: The Journey of Elaina (light novel)
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| This show gets better and better by every episode. I wasn't expecting much from it when i started watching this anime but now i really like it. I hope it keeps on delivering good episodes like those last two. |
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| Im in love with this. I always like a great story of a MC that wants to help/save the world/something, there are also MC that has a dream, but with Elaina I found someone that's just want to see what life is, and everyone knows that life can be a m*therfucker sometimes. Not everyone wants to help others, and yes you could say is egoist, but there are plenty of people like that. I'm one of them. I love every single message that this anime is given us. |
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| So now this week Elaina just lets a crazy witch run free after killing everyone. Lolok. Elaina gonna Elaina. |
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| When Elaina said she will support Mirarose from another safer country, I felt like, "oh no, we will not found the ending again". But thank god she stays there and even came back to the battlefield (yes, that's also against her 2nd promise though) This week isn't as dark as last week, with the theme is actually an usual medieval love story with caste problem. But instead of the daughter fell under her dad's decision, she went full berserk instead, cursed her dad and killed him. Overall, this episode is better than before. |
| "I'm Outta Here - The Animation." |
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| wtf with that unlimited blade works xd |
| Moe is Love ! Moe is Life ! |
Opticflash said: Oh no! She didn't talk to Mirarose and try to get therapy for her! Terrible story and terrible, narcissistic MC! Dropped! /s Nah, it'll be something more absurd like "Oh no! She didn't resurrect the whole country or she didn't travel back in time to stop the tragedies before happening!" since they seem to be also convinced that Elaina is some kind of omnipotent god lol |
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| Even if this is not what I expected before watching the series, I'm really loving this so far, especially with this episode and its dark theme |
| I have come to the conclusion that every new discussion thread is just gonna be filled with idiots who somehow think Elaina is some all powerful god of a witch who can solve problems and be a hero to random strangers. Like, if you honestly think this, just drop the show. Your complaints add nothing to the actual discussion cause the show itself already makes things pretty obvious. Elaina is an above average novice witch. In Episode 1, Fran kicked her ass in a fight. In Episode 3, there was nothing she could do against the flower field and expecting her to defeat slavery is being ridiculous. And now in Episode 4, people expect her to stand up to this new witch who is clearly far superior to her in terms of power level. She would get rekt without much effort. People in this thread sure do talk big, like if they were in Elaina's shoes they would do the opposite of her and bring happiness to those who they come across. How does the inside of your colons smell, cause your heads are pretty far up there. As someone who has read at least the first 2 Volumes of the novels, let me just warn you know. These type of tragic and dark stories are pretty much the norm, so just drop the series and move on instead of cry and moan every single week. |
ShiroHachi said: slavemaster_1991 said: Ep 3: passive plant I am immune to is dangerous so I'd rather leave. Ep 4: big fire breathing dragon? Nah, no problem so Ill get involved. Elaina is not so powerful. She is mid range in term of raw power. She is a genius in alchemy, potions, and crafting spells tho. But not in term of raw magical power. I'm gonna write this again Flower field: • That country already knows about it. They could have sent words to the mage association with contract for help which exists in Majo world and not depend on a witch newbie who they didn't ask for help. • The guard fate was too late since he was in the field for a day. Also the raw magic power needed is massive and needs several witches. • The author has confirmed in a tweet that no human has yet dared to face plant mutations in episode 3 because no one knows what is the result of mutations that are born from a collection of energy produced by plants and flowers. The magic in Majotabi world comes from nature like plants and flowers. No human has yet dared to take the risk of facing that, including witches. • To add, the forest magic is way stronger than a witch magic. And Magic concept in Elaina is invoking the forest power (Hence why she trained with Frann in a Forest). Burning the flower field can make everything worse, as no one can make sure what will the forest do next. Why do I have to get this crucial info from some random post on MAL/authors tweet? If it was all explained in the episode - it would be recieved much better. But if someone just thinks "it will do" - it will not, and it just damages the title, as people will rate it worse. But she could at least give this poor soldier on the field a merciful death instead of living him in drug induced hallucination. |
| I'm so glad I started this series even just via stumbling upon it quite randomly, since the description and poster art is not necessarily something that would immediately attract me. I thought the first two episodes were very watchable and enjoyable - particularly with a strong setup in the first episode. Yet these past two episodes have been pretty damn phenomenal. I'm loving the dark fantasy and dark fairy tale vibes and backdrop I haven't seen in that many anime, just down to subtle beats in the dialogue and how the scenes are constructed with a mixture of whimsy but lurking foreboding ready to transition over at a moment's notice. It makes this world magical and fun but rich, interesting, and menacing also. Like our own. As far as anime series go, I couldn't agree more with the recommendations that it has heavy shades of Kino no Tabi, one of my Top 30 anime (just referring to the 2003 iteration; I haven't seen the 2017 reboot/remake), but also very reminiscent of aspects of Mahoutsukai no Yome (another Top 30 for me) and this year's Somali to Mori no Kamisama as well. And also, another (in my view) heavily underrated series from 2017 which I feel doesn't get enough love or didn't secure the correct audience - Centaur no Nayami. Fantasy worldbuilding and social commentary hybridization. Some people feel this seesawing between light and dark makes a story and world feel tonally inconsistent or jarring or a case of a show with a confused identity because it "doesn't know what it wants to be" as if it should fit into a neat box and "choose one genre, mood, or approach and stick to it". I think it makes it feel alive and real and like anything can happen at any time, being detailed and nuanced and full of surprises like, again, our actual world. This is the spice that makes stories feel like organic breathing entities over lifeless shallow wastes of time to me. In real life, everything and everyone is grey. That's what makes it unpredictable and interesting. And it also reminds me a great deal of all the classic TV series which were morality plays, dark fables, speculative fiction, etc. like the original Twilight Zone, Tales from the Crypt, etc. These are some of my favorite types of series. |
WatchTillTandavaOct 24, 2020 12:27 AM
| good episode, but not as dark as the previous one. Now we can say that Elaina really values the promises from her mother. |
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| The twist was predictable but still a good watch. I like the darker direction that this anime is taking, but I can't say that I'm liking Elaina's personality. Her remark about not wanting to help because it's not advantageous to her was so annoying lol as if she didn't burn down the castle's door and was given accommodation despite that. For now, I'm gonna continue watching to see where this is going. But if Elaina's just going to stay as an "observer" after seeing all these atrocities in her world - well damn lol. |
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| Honestly love how different the last two episodes were in comparison to the first two, but I feel bad for anyone that didn’t because wow they were in for a rude awakening, |
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| I gave this anime one last shot to impress me, and it just didn't. I can see the appeal to some people, but this anime just has too many problems for me to even consider it to be "average". - A passive, narcissistic and "perfect" main character. I understand the argument that she is a realistic character. I think this may have been intended, but I think it was executed very poorly. As someone who enjoys writing, I know for a fact that writers tend to get very attached to their main characters. Chances are, Elaina is meant to be a bit unlikable but has a human side to her. Putting yourself in the audience's shoes is a difficult task for sure, but I don't even think the author tried here. In fact, I think most of the people on this episode discussion have put more thought into Elaina when defending her, than the author themself. A good main character might be unlikable at first glance, but are soon likable due to their depth. With Elaina, you either immediately love or hate her. There has been no attempt to develop her (arguably the only character that matters in an anime like this), and her likability has suffered greatly. To the people who say her actions make her realistic, and that not every main character needs to be a shonen/isekai goody two shoes: no one disagrees with you. A character doesn't have to be relatable, but they do have to be likable. - Unrelated episodes. It's not episodic like Cowboy Bebop, it's just completely different stories every episode. This wouldn't be so bad if the episodes were well written, but they really are nothing special. - No goal. A show doesn't need a goal to be great, but it sure as hell helps. The show is aimless, I don't even know what I'm meant to look for in the next episode. Elaina has pretty much achieved her dream, so I feel no need to ever root for her. And the other characters have only appeared once per episode so far, and they are about as basic as you can get. - Unlikable or bare-bones characters. Ignoring Elaina for a minute, why are there no interesting characters? Not one. Each character has a whopping total of one trait each, and it really makes them hard to care about. - Complete lack of focus. I don't even know what this anime is. The 1st episode made me think it'd be a story about a witch in training. The 2nd episode had me thinking it'd be about Elaina traveling, helping people and making friends. The 3rd episode made me think that it would try (and fail) to tell some dark stories. But with the 4th episode... what was even the point? I knew the princess had written the note straight away, I knew she was at fault in some way, I knew she was the princess from the story. Yet the anime told me these facts as if they were surprising. This anime has already tried to be 4 things, and failed miserably at each. - Predictable plot. I explained earlier, but I have not been surprised once. When you have someone of my ability thinking of more interesting ideas for the episode, you've messed up. - Cringe messages and twists. This is definitely the most subjective point for me. Personally, I disagreed with most of the messages presented in the 4 episodes I could stomach. Episode 1, I felt that Elaina got out of Flan's harsh training by crying and guilt-tripping her. Episode 2, I disagreed with the idea you have to be alone in order to "accomplish something". Oh yeah, when has working together ever accomplish anything? Episode 3, I pretty much disagreed with all of Elaina's actions. People have been saying that what Elaina did was the natural human response. Now if this is true, I must be a great goddamn person. I must be such a kind-hearted, selfless hero for going out of my way to help somebody with my magical powers. I highly doubt this, so the people saying this are either psychopaths (unlikely) or edgy (likely). And Episode 4, yeah I just didn't like the princess. She was in the wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right, I can't believe I'm actually able to use an old saying like that. I really can't stand this anime. At this point it's irrationally infuriating me. There's obviously no need for me to watch this anymore considering how much I dislike it, so I'm dropping it, with a very low chance of ever picking it back up again, and am giving it a 2/10. And to those of you who are loving the show: more power to you. There's nothing wrong with enjoying something others don't. :) |
fluroboyOct 24, 2020 6:01 AM
| If the previous episodes weren't enough of a glimpse, Witches are truly not to be trifled with. Now I see why the town Major on the previous episode was so visibly afraid of Elaina. Clearly, if you got little to no magical power yourself, messing with Witches can bring more trouble than it's worth. The King done goofed. Anyway, now that I know what to expect from these series, I will look all this dark stories as intriguing, as the shock value won't be there anymore. I suspect we'll get some light stories in between, but we're still gonna have quite alot of drama throughout. That aside, the animation is truly gorgeous, so that, with the adventure theme and the drama stories strewn in-between will be pretty nice. |
| Eh... what are people complaining about Elaina in this episode? I mean ep 3 I can understand but in this ep I woulda acted almost similar to her if not worst actually, just that in ep 3 I have a soft spot when I see someone incapable of fighting anymore, this ep the mentally fcked up girl is also a witch, by far more powerful than Elaina for all we know, I dont know how strong she's gotten by now but regardless, her actions were normal here, and when I said "I woulda done worst" is that Elaina actually planned on helping the other witch out if push comes to shove, I woulda just stayed in the mansion and watched from afar lol. Diff circumstances, true this ep the witch had a minor case of amnesia, but she is still a "witch", my problem with the prev ep mainly the 2nd part is that those were just humans, fat dude even looked like he was clinging for dear life when he saw Elaina use magic, thats how much she had the upper hand there, in this scenario ITS A FCKING DRAGON! like hell am I about to help a stranger out just cause she gave me a place to rest for the night and some food lol, and if its about the last part where she just watched crazy witch live in her own... imaginary world then... well.. I woulda just left too, I believe she would have been happier like that, I mean she looks happy enough lol. |
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| I think it was really interesting episode with a lot of action and great animation. It was good to see both witches helping each other to defeat the monster. I don't like the fact how Mirarose took revenge on her father and the rest of the people. While vengeance on her father is understandable, killing so many people in my opinion is unforgivable. |
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| The chase through the town scene, was quite damn long... real big emphasis on bashing the hell out of the dragon which was pretty great though showed alot of emotion and really made you understand what was really going on. I find it abit funny when people here start praising/enjoying it only when it starts to show some "dark" type of stuff... hah edgelords. MomoSinX said: Very good point, it really did spoil what was going on when I think about it.It was not a bad twist at the end + Mirarose going crazy but it would have hit harder if it wasn't spoiled at the beginning. |
| The show is getting dark and I love it. The fight between Mirarose and the monster was awesome. I got goosebump when I saw the Mirarose summoned swords to fight the monster >_<. |
fluroboy said: I gave this anime one last shot to impress me, and it just didn't. I can see the appeal to some people, but this anime just has too many problems for me to even consider it to be "average". - A passive, narcissistic and "perfect" main character. I understand the argument that she is a realistic character. I think this may have been intended, but I think it was executed very poorly. As someone who enjoys writing, I know for a fact that writers tend to get very attached to their main characters. Chances are, Elaina is meant to be a bit unlikable but has a human side to her. Putting yourself in the audience's shoes is a difficult task for sure, but I don't even think the author tried here. In fact, I think most of the people on this episode discussion have put more thought into Elaina when defending her, than the author themself. A good main character might be unlikable at first glance, but are soon likable due to their depth. With Elaina, you either immediately love or hate her. There has been no attempt to develop her (arguably the only character that matters in an anime like this), and her likability has suffered greatly. To the people who say her actions make her realistic, and that not every main character needs to be a shonen/isekai goody two shoes: no one disagrees with you. A character doesn't have to be relatable, but they do have to be likable. - Unrelated episodes. It's not episodic like Cowboy Bebop, it's just completely different stories every episode. This wouldn't be so bad if the episodes were well written, but they really are nothing special. - No goal. A show doesn't need a goal to be great, but it sure as hell helps. The show is aimless, I don't even know what I'm meant to look for in the next episode. Elaina has pretty much achieved her dream, so I feel no need to ever root for her. And the other characters have only appeared once per episode so far, and they are about as basic as you can get. - Unlikable or bare-bones characters. Ignoring Elaina for a minute, why are there no interesting characters? Not one. Each character has a whopping total of one trait each, and it really makes them hard to care about. - Complete lack of focus. I don't even know what this anime is. The 1st episode made me think it'd be a story about a witch in training. The 2nd episode had me thinking it'd be about Elaina traveling, helping people and making friends. The 3rd episode made me think that it would try (and fail) to tell some dark stories. But with the 4th episode... what was even the point? I knew the princess had written the note straight away, I knew she was at fault in some way, I knew she was the princess from the story. Yet the anime told me these facts as if they were surprising. This anime has already tried to be 4 things, and failed miserably at each. - Predictable plot. I explained earlier, but I have not been surprised once. When you have someone of my ability thinking of more interesting ideas for the episode, you've messed up. - Cringe messages and twists. This is definitely the most subjective point for me. Personally, I disagreed with most of the messages presented in the 4 episodes I could stomach. Episode 1, I felt that Elaina got out of Flan's harsh training by crying and guilt-tripping her. Episode 2, I disagreed with the idea you have to be alone in order to "accomplish something". Oh yeah, when has working together ever accomplish anything? Episode 3, I pretty much disagreed with all of Elaina's actions. People have been saying that what Elaina did was the natural human response. Now if this is true, I must be a great goddamn person. I must be such a kind-hearted, selfless hero for going out of my way to help somebody with my magical powers. I highly doubt this, so the people saying this are either psychopaths (unlikely) or edgy (likely). And Episode 4, yeah I just didn't like the princess. She was in the wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right, I can't believe I'm actually able to use an old saying like that. I really can't stand this anime. At this point it's irrationally infuriating me. There's obviously no need for me to watch this anymore considering how much I dislike it, so I'm dropping it, with a very low chance of ever picking it back up again, and am giving it a 2/10. And to those of you who are loving the show: more power to you. There's nothing wrong with enjoying something others don't. :) It's funny because practically everything you raise as a point of why it so thoroughly turns you off and displeases you is precisely why I'm relishing it so far, which really serves to prove the point of the total subjectivity of anime quality and relative enjoyment. It's amusing to me though because even though I'm loving the series so far and commented to that effect a few posts above in this topic thread, it's very much the kind of series - actually just like others I mentioned such as Mahoutsukai no Yome and Centaur no Nayami - where I'm literally palpably sensing how divisive it is going to end up being as I'm physically watching it for the first time. A scene or even a line of dialogue plays out and it's like I can immediately see the resulting MAL posts, how inflammatory something is going to prove and inspire opposing camps of love and hatred in seemingly equal measure. Even though I've gotten immense enjoyment out of those factors thus far though, I generally believe your position on this will be more in line with the majority one (possibly depending on how the latter two-thirds of the series plays out in execution of tone) and series like this with a mixture of soothing and wholesome and then provocative content seem to get burned with low scores or a big chunk of dissatisfied fanbase on MAL. |
slavemaster_1991 said: ShiroHachi said: Elaina is not so powerful. She is mid range in term of raw power. She is a genius in alchemy, potions, and crafting spells tho. But not in term of raw magical power. I'm gonna write this again Flower field: • That country already knows about it. They could have sent words to the mage association with contract for help which exists in Majo world and not depend on a witch newbie who they didn't ask for help. • The guard fate was too late since he was in the field for a day. Also the raw magic power needed is massive and needs several witches. • The author has confirmed in a tweet that no human has yet dared to face plant mutations in episode 3 because no one knows what is the result of mutations that are born from a collection of energy produced by plants and flowers. The magic in Majotabi world comes from nature like plants and flowers. No human has yet dared to take the risk of facing that, including witches. • To add, the forest magic is way stronger than a witch magic. And Magic concept in Elaina is invoking the forest power (Hence why she trained with Frann in a Forest). Burning the flower field can make everything worse, as no one can make sure what will the forest do next. Why do I have to get this crucial info from some random post on MAL/authors tweet? If it was all explained in the episode - it would be recieved much better. But if someone just thinks "it will do" - it will not, and it just damages the title, as people will rate it worse. But she could at least give this poor soldier on the field a merciful death instead of living him in drug induced hallucination. Idk, maybe because you guys doesn't even pay attention to what you're watching? Excluding point 3, all the other things ShiroHachi stated in his reply are things that were stated pretty clear in the anime. If you need others to make this clear for you, it's because you're simply not paying attention to the subtle details this anime gives. |
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WatchTillTandava said: fluroboy said: I gave this anime one last shot to impress me, and it just didn't. I can see the appeal to some people, but this anime just has too many problems for me to even consider it to be "average". - A passive, narcissistic and "perfect" main character. I understand the argument that she is a realistic character. I think this may have been intended, but I think it was executed very poorly. As someone who enjoys writing, I know for a fact that writers tend to get very attached to their main characters. Chances are, Elaina is meant to be a bit unlikable but has a human side to her. Putting yourself in the audience's shoes is a difficult task for sure, but I don't even think the author tried here. In fact, I think most of the people on this episode discussion have put more thought into Elaina when defending her, than the author themself. A good main character might be unlikable at first glance, but are soon likable due to their depth. With Elaina, you either immediately love or hate her. There has been no attempt to develop her (arguably the only character that matters in an anime like this), and her likability has suffered greatly. To the people who say her actions make her realistic, and that not every main character needs to be a shonen/isekai goody two shoes: no one disagrees with you. A character doesn't have to be relatable, but they do have to be likable. - Unrelated episodes. It's not episodic like Cowboy Bebop, it's just completely different stories every episode. This wouldn't be so bad if the episodes were well written, but they really are nothing special. - No goal. A show doesn't need a goal to be great, but it sure as hell helps. The show is aimless, I don't even know what I'm meant to look for in the next episode. Elaina has pretty much achieved her dream, so I feel no need to ever root for her. And the other characters have only appeared once per episode so far, and they are about as basic as you can get. - Unlikable or bare-bones characters. Ignoring Elaina for a minute, why are there no interesting characters? Not one. Each character has a whopping total of one trait each, and it really makes them hard to care about. - Complete lack of focus. I don't even know what this anime is. The 1st episode made me think it'd be a story about a witch in training. The 2nd episode had me thinking it'd be about Elaina traveling, helping people and making friends. The 3rd episode made me think that it would try (and fail) to tell some dark stories. But with the 4th episode... what was even the point? I knew the princess had written the note straight away, I knew she was at fault in some way, I knew she was the princess from the story. Yet the anime told me these facts as if they were surprising. This anime has already tried to be 4 things, and failed miserably at each. - Predictable plot. I explained earlier, but I have not been surprised once. When you have someone of my ability thinking of more interesting ideas for the episode, you've messed up. - Cringe messages and twists. This is definitely the most subjective point for me. Personally, I disagreed with most of the messages presented in the 4 episodes I could stomach. Episode 1, I felt that Elaina got out of Flan's harsh training by crying and guilt-tripping her. Episode 2, I disagreed with the idea you have to be alone in order to "accomplish something". Oh yeah, when has working together ever accomplish anything? Episode 3, I pretty much disagreed with all of Elaina's actions. People have been saying that what Elaina did was the natural human response. Now if this is true, I must be a great goddamn person. I must be such a kind-hearted, selfless hero for going out of my way to help somebody with my magical powers. I highly doubt this, so the people saying this are either psychopaths (unlikely) or edgy (likely). And Episode 4, yeah I just didn't like the princess. She was in the wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right, I can't believe I'm actually able to use an old saying like that. I really can't stand this anime. At this point it's irrationally infuriating me. There's obviously no need for me to watch this anymore considering how much I dislike it, so I'm dropping it, with a very low chance of ever picking it back up again, and am giving it a 2/10. And to those of you who are loving the show: more power to you. There's nothing wrong with enjoying something others don't. :) It's funny because practically everything you raise as a point of why it so thoroughly turns you off and displeases you is precisely why I'm relishing it so far, which really serves to prove the point of the total subjectivity of anime quality and relative enjoyment. It's amusing to me though because even though I'm loving the series so far and commented to that effect a few posts above in this topic thread, it's very much the kind of series - actually just like others I mentioned such as Mahoutsukai no Yome and Centaur no Nayami - where I'm literally palpably sensing how divisive it is going to end up being as I'm physically watching it for the first time. A scene or even a line of dialogue plays out and it's like I can immediately see the resulting MAL posts, how inflammatory something is going to prove and inspire opposing camps of love and hatred in seemingly equal measure. Even though I've gotten immense enjoyment out of those factors thus far though, I generally believe your position on this will be more in line with the majority one (possibly depending on how the latter two-thirds of the series plays out in execution of tone) and series like this with a mixture of soothing and wholesome and then provocative content seem to get burned with low scores or a big chunk of dissatisfied fanbase on MAL. "While I enjoy being critical, my opinion is, naturally, entirely subjective, and I am completely fine with whatever you think about shows I hate/love. Nothing is objective in art and entertainment, so trying to definitively prove your views on anime is a silly thing." I have that line on my profile for the anime exactly like this one :P. I wouldn't say I'm in the camp that hates the tonal shift. I think the anime has had a pretty consistent tone overall. The main reason I even contributed to the discussion for this anime is because of how divided the views have been. It doesn't really seem like anybody wants to accept the opposing opinion as even remotely valid. I honestly don't think I've agreed with much either party has said, I honestly just really hate the characters, and to me, characters are the most important thing in a show. But honestly the main point from my post I should've made clearer was that " I think most of the people on this episode discussion have put more thought into Elaina when defending her, than the author themself." Every person defending Elaina's character has had an entirely view on her. Some say she's realistic, some say she's not powerful, some say she is, some say she's cute, some say she's a sociopath - Its strange seeing how divisive the discussions are, considering how little the score has changed. |
AdolZeppeli said: Not defending the guy your replying to but. I don't remember anything regarding slavemaster_1991 said: Why do I have to get this crucial info from some random post on MAL/authors tweet? If it was all explained in the episode - it would be recieved much better. But if someone just thinks "it will do" - it will not, and it just damages the title, as people will rate it worse. But she could at least give this poor soldier on the field a merciful death instead of living him in drug induced hallucination. Idk, maybe because you guys doesn't even pay attention to what you're watching? Excluding point 3, all the other things ShiroHachi stated in his reply are things that were stated pretty clear in the anime. If you need others to make this clear for you, it's because you're simply not paying attention to the subtle details this anime gives. "Also the raw magic power needed is massive and needs several witches." or, "• To add, the forest magic is way stronger than a witch magic." ... or "Burning the flower field can make everything worse, as no one can make sure what will the forest do next." Care to explain where you saw these get mentioned or even hinted at? heck even "And Magic concept in Elaina is invoking the forest power (Hence why she trained with Frann in a Forest). " heck this one is kinda spoiling if its true, i haven't even come across this information in the novel explaining "forest power" so screw this guy for spoiling stuff, unless ive forgotten somehow. Honestly though please point out where I missed this stuff in the anime, legit interested. |
AdolZeppeli said: Excluding point 3, all the other things ShiroHachi stated in his reply are things that were stated pretty clear in the anime. If you need others to make this clear for you, it's because you're simply not paying attention to the subtle details this anime gives. Excluding the most critical point, huh? I am not even sure if you are being serious. P1 is obvious, as guard takes the flowers. P2 is obvious, though it is a pretty bad move IMHO, but maybe she didn't want to dirty her hands P3 tho IS the problem. It is the exact point my whole post was about, you might even say. There was zero world building in terms how magic works, and you tell me I have to go find the source, find its author and check his twitter only to get this episode so it finally makes sence? No, thank you. P4 the only thing about flowers was that it sucked magic, no futher explanation, no details. What exactly did I miss and how exactly can this episode be complete without that explanation? So yeah, sorry if I miss "subtle" things, but I don't even see "the obvious" things in this anime. I will not argue, source must be better, it is always the case, but in this case I am anime only and this anime does not give me a thought "wow that is actually great, I should read the LN". |
slavemaster_1991 said: I really want to know where he found this info, because mate, im deeper in the novel and he knows shit I dont from 4 damn episodes. Either hes has unbeleivable perception of somekind, or I'm have brain damage.AdolZeppeli said: Excluding point 3, all the other things ShiroHachi stated in his reply are things that were stated pretty clear in the anime. If you need others to make this clear for you, it's because you're simply not paying attention to the subtle details this anime gives. Excluding the most critical point, huh? I am not even sure if you are being serious. P1 is obvious, as guard takes the flowers. P2 is obvious, though it is a pretty bad move IMHO, but maybe she didn't want to dirty her hands P3 tho IS the problem. It is the exact point my whole post was about, you might even say. There was zero world building in terms how magic works, and you tell me I have to go find the source, find its author and check his twitter only to get this episode so it finally makes sence? No, thank you. P4 the only thing about flowers was that it sucked magic, no futher explanation, no details. What exactly did I miss and how exactly can this episode be complete without that explanation? So yeah, sorry if I miss "subtle" things, but I don't even see "the obvious" things in this anime. I will not argue, source must be better, it is always the case, but in this case I am anime only and this anime does not give me a thought "wow that is actually great, I should read the LN". |
LemonadeYou-kyan said: "..I couldn't help but feel like I wanted her to live." Big "EH?". I can't feel the sincerity in her words after all that happened in the previous episode. Her sentiment on this is probably because the other character is also a witch, one which showed her hospitality and whom she views as attractive and cool, someone to look up to or respect, much like either herself or her witchcraft teacher. People can have very selective care and empathy. I think it just implies she's very preferential and not an all-around humanitarian who cares about humanity as a whole and treats and views all people equally. She cares about certain people for certain reasons and to the extent that it doesn't either threaten or seriously inconvenience her...usually. I think this is a pretty realistic view of how a lot of people actually are. Someone can very much take a liking to or feel loyalty or affinity to a particular person and do much for them while not giving a damn about the fate of other random people or some vague amorphous humanity. Neither are being insincere and neither are the real person or a fake person; both are genuine facets of a person. I would argue that actual vast majority of humans aren't selfless humanists and altruists nor sadistic or apathetic psychopaths or sociopaths in practice. Pretty much everyone falls on a continuum. And even people who seem and even are cruel, heartless, and uncaring to many others can have individuals for which and contexts in which they do genuinely generous and impressive things for others which can change lives. And the more outwardly selfless and amiable people can do genuinely chillingly cold things of turning a blind eye to someone who isn't the right kind of person for them or jeopardizes their status. It's never black and white. |
WatchTillTandavaOct 24, 2020 8:14 AM
| @Rainbowsaur The tale talked about flowers that started to absorb more and more magic. It takes a little bit of reasoning that using magic can make things worse unless you have a big amount of magical raw power to deal with the flowers absorption, and Elaina sure doesn't have that big amount of magic to begin with. Sure, witches are "inmune" to it, but that doesn't mean their magic is effective. We also don't know for how long this has been happening, so it's fair to think that it's been happening for quite a while and no one has dared yet to face this issue. The guards of that town neither asked for Elaina's help, so better not doing anything that may make things way worse without proper instruction. @slavemaster_1991 She didn't want to dirty her hands? lmfao, easier said than done, I did not know putting people out of their misery was an easy job. Most of his points are derived from connecting what the anime already gives you, like I explained to the guy above. It shouldn't be that hard to come with the conclusion that maybe the situation is way worse than it looks, meaning that a single newbie witch couldn't do a shit about it despite being "immune" to it. Being immune to it doesn't mean she has the means to deal with a massive flower field that holds shit tons of magic that has been absorbed for quite a while. If you go by the assumption that Elaina is a chosen one with the best magical prowess in the world, therefore must help with every single misfortune she stumble across, then you're approaching the show with the wrong mindset. The title of this anime is "The Journey of Elaina" not "The day I became the strongest witch" nor "The helper Witch" |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| insanely fantastic first of all i didnt expect the last two episodes to turn this dark all of a sudden but im still up for it All throughout the ep i was just like "WTF", the opening said this was about a love story and considering the setting it gave me quite a clue onto what was about to happen and expected to some kind of twist. seeing the pictures of the king,queen and the princess got me excited om what was the twist was gonna be but i fail to predict it since i dont pause the episode to think about it, and when it was revealed it was quite good, the episode was paced well and the fight scene looks just okay it has some weird shots but the music makes up for it. overall 5/5 best ep so far |
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AdolZeppeli said: @Rainbowsaur The tale talked about flowers that started to absorb more and more magic. It takes a little bit of reasoning that using magic can make things worse unless you have a big amount of magical raw power to deal with the flowers absorption, and Elaina sure doesn't have that big amount of magic to begin with. Sure, witches are "inmune" to it, but that doesn't mean their magic is effective. We also don't know for how long this has been happening, so it's fair to think that it's been happening for quite a while and no one has dared yet to face this issue. The guards of that town neither asked for Elaina's help, so better not doing anything that may make things way worse without proper instruction. We know that plants can absorb light and emit magic thats the most plainly said thing for what we're talking about. I overgeneralized what you might know because you seemed to reply to that comment without fully agreeing to all points surely? so far theres nothing telling you that plants are the only thing that are the source of all magic, and "their magic is more powerful than the witches" in this ep. Stuff like ” Also the raw magic power needed is massive and needs several witches.” I don't even know how this in particular is suppost to come into the mind of someone watching this, ofcourse it must be a nusance and no single person can fix it, but for you to somewhat look down on people because they didn't "get this" "not paying attention" is abit eww.... ofcourse im saying this all because you replied to a whole post of some real specific stuff you get me right? |
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Rainbowsaur said: AdolZeppeli said: @Rainbowsaur The tale talked about flowers that started to absorb more and more magic. It takes a little bit of reasoning that using magic can make things worse unless you have a big amount of magical raw power to deal with the flowers absorption, and Elaina sure doesn't have that big amount of magic to begin with. Sure, witches are "inmune" to it, but that doesn't mean their magic is effective. We also don't know for how long this has been happening, so it's fair to think that it's been happening for quite a while and no one has dared yet to face this issue. The guards of that town neither asked for Elaina's help, so better not doing anything that may make things way worse without proper instruction. We know that plants can absorb light and emit magic thats the most plainly said thing for what we're talking about. I overgeneralized what you might know because you seemed to reply to that comment without fully agreeing to all points surely? so far theres nothing telling you that plants are the only thing that are the source of all magic, and "their magic is more powerful than the witches" in this ep. Stuff like ” Also the raw magic power needed is massive and needs several witches.” I don't even know how this in particular is suppost to come into the mind of someone watching this, ofcourse it must be a nusance and no single person can fix it, but for you to somewhat look down on people because they didn't "get this" "not paying attention" is abit eww.... ofcourse im saying this all because you replied to a whole post of some real specific stuff you get me right? I mean, most of the complaints I've seen is from people that can't 1+1=2. What does "flowers that can absorb magic" mean? To me, it means trouble that a novice witch can't handle on her own. It's also not the first time I've seen a monster/enemy that can "absorb" power, and the few times I've seen that kind of conflict in other media, the only way they could defeat it, was to overwhelm it with more power than what it could handle. In conclusion, to defeat a plant that can absorb magic, you need massive raw magic power to withstand it's absorption. Why didn't the guards ask for help? Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, maybe they already tried to use a witch's help and things got worse. We also don't know for how long this has been happening, and the fact that no one else appeared to save the day means that it's big trouble. Elaina is not the only witch in the world and she's not that proficient in combat, it's also not her job to intervene in affairs that she might make worse. I excluded point 3 because he got that info from the author, but considering all the points that have been exposed, it makes sense and many people could have come with that conclusion by making theories about it. Like I said, there are subtle details that aren't exactly told, it relies on "show don't tell" and it works perfectly. We don't need anime that spoon feed the information to the viewers. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| YELP, if Episode 3 wasn't enough to showcase the "journey" part that displayed Elaina's "non-apathetic" personality, THEN THIS EPISODE WILL. Guys, Elaina is NOT here to play the "hero" part! I'm still very dumbfounded that even a week later, people STILL think that Elaina MUST save someone from distress, but yet she's just like any 3rd party of all situations. She is an observer a.k.a Watchmen. Anyways, another episode, and really keeping to the dark fantasy plot, which I'm starting to like a lot and seeing the further controversial divide on Elaina's personality (to which I won't argue and trying to keep it fair). "The Princess Without Subjects" Mirarose does seem like the typical goody-two-shoes character in front of Elaina, even when things aren't as it seems. Even from a simple request of plans for help, Elaina would only "help" to do on a basis of goodwill. Mirarose's past through C2C's imagery was just magnificent, and the plot twist (that brought back Episode 1's theme of Witches being rejected), along with the self-written letter of memory exchange in the final moments, brings another darker edge to this episode. Another great episode, AND PLEASE, if this episode doesn't win you over just like Episode 3, please drop this show. |
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Lelouch0202 said: Great episode. Mirarose is crazy strong, to think she'd just straight up go full Gate of Babylon on Javalier, that was insane and absolutely brutal. She must've really resented her father for what happened. Based on the flashbacks, it sounds like even the kid wasn't spared. Her rage is understandable but it's a shame that an entire kingdom had to suffer for it. Elaina overjoyed and getting all comfy on the bed was so precious. <3 That ending though, Mirarose. Can't help but feel bad for her. She didn't deserve it. :( not to defend the princess, but the king had it coming. he should have known that a king's mere words can bring abundance or suffering to those involved around him. even more so to those waaaaay below him. if you think this was bad, I could imagine far worse to those at the bottom tier families that have nothing to do with the king. and yet here he is, a stupid king, exhausting a few breaths that could spell doom. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
miscshade said: Not as good as the last episode, but I enjoyed it. I think I've got a grasp of what this series is and going to be now. Each episode teaches a morale in which the conclusion is alluded to at the start of the episode. Today's morale: revenge is self-destroying. you can only say that because, as the princess said herself: you haven't felt what it feels like losing everything. taken away everything right before your very eyes. I thought this goddamn pandemic have taught you a lesson but alas, some people, even before a pandemic, can't even learn. you probably don't even understand what it feels like losing a job for 2 months because some arrogant bastards from a certain communist party decided to let this PLANdemic spread about. sorry but you're a kid that's quick to judge. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
m3gp said: so it's like Kino no Tabi but not as interesting/engaging Pretty much this. The anime still doesn't have its moment, but to be fair it wasn't finished yet. That said I found it to be a decent diversion this season but I'm not terribly impressed with the execution so far. |
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AdolZeppeli said: I mean, most of the complaints I've seen is from people that can't 1+1=2. What does "flowers that can absorb magic" mean? To me, it means trouble that a novice witch can't handle on her own. Oh COME ON man, you know how many magic systems are there in the world? You say plants absorb magic? Ok, wich type of magic? How much of magic? What do they convert it into? Do you know that even IRL though plants absorb solar power, they will still die if there is too much sun? Or that it must be SUN light, light bulb will not work and plant will die? And here we are talking about MAGIC plants, yet you claim that this is obvious how they work and people are just dumb. No they are not, if there was literally zero explanation for this - this "magic consumption" may work a dozen different ways - how can you claim to know how exactly? |
slavemaster_1991 said: AdolZeppeli said: I mean, most of the complaints I've seen is from people that can't 1+1=2. What does "flowers that can absorb magic" mean? To me, it means trouble that a novice witch can't handle on her own. Oh COME ON man, you know how many magic systems are there in the world? You say plants absorb magic? Ok, wich type of magic? How much of magic? What do they convert it into? Do you know that even IRL though plants absorb solar power, they will still die if there is too much sun? Or that it must be SUN light, light bulb will not work and plant will die? And here we are talking about MAGIC plants, yet you claim that this is obvious how they work and people are just dumb. No they are not, if there was literally zero explanation for this - this "magic consumption" may work a dozen different ways - how can you claim to know how exactly? you do realize that you are just furthering his point across? the more unknowns there are, the more you should be wary and stay away from danger like wise witch that she is. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
fluroboy said: - A passive, narcissistic and "perfect" main character. I understand the argument that she is a realistic character. I think this may have been intended, but I think it was executed very poorly. As someone who enjoys writing, I know for a fact that writers tend to get very attached to their main characters. Chances are, Elaina is meant to be a bit unlikable but has a human side to her. Putting yourself in the audience's shoes is a difficult task for sure, but I don't even think the author tried here. In fact, I think most of the people on this episode discussion have put more thought into Elaina when defending her, than the author themself. A good main character might be unlikable at first glance, but are soon likable due to their depth. With Elaina, you either immediately love or hate her. There has been no attempt to develop her (arguably the only character that matters in an anime like this), and her likability has suffered greatly. To the people who say her actions make her realistic, and that not every main character needs to be a shonen/isekai goody two shoes: no one disagrees with you. A character doesn't have to be relatable, but they do have to be likable. Lol, a main character doesn't have to be likeable at all. Many people who watched Death Note hated Light's guts. However people still think the story is well written, and Light, despite his unlikability, is STILL one of the top voted characters in all of anime. Light had little depth; he had this fixed mindset about getting rid of all the criminals that's it. No backstory about why, no conflicted internal monologue. Even Mikami had more depth. People like Light as a character because he drove an interesting plot, but people don't like Light as a person. If you're arguing that Elaina is an unlikable character, there really is nothing to say here. If you're arguing that she's an unlikable [/i]person[/i], she certainly doesn't need to be for many people. The author wanted to focus on other themes and aspects at least in the beginning of the story, which are emphasized well. You can't really fit everything like character depth, grandiose plot, etc. into a few episodes when they were trying to aim for something else. fluroboy said: - Unrelated episodes. It's not episodic like Cowboy Bebop, it's just completely different stories every episode. This wouldn't be so bad if the episodes were well written, but they really are nothing special. Some people like that, but sure that's your preference to have some grandiose plot involved. However this isn't related to how well written the story is for what it does. fluroboy said: - No goal. A show doesn't need a goal to be great, but it sure as hell helps. The show is aimless, I don't even know what I'm meant to look for in the next episode. Elaina has pretty much achieved her dream, so I feel no need to ever root for her. And the other characters have only appeared once per episode so far, and they are about as basic as you can get. Same point above. fluroboy said: - Unlikable or bare-bones characters. Ignoring Elaina for a minute, why are there no interesting characters? Not one. Each character has a whopping total of one trait each, and it really makes them hard to care about. Unlikeable characters as characters or as persons? Perhaps both? I think Fran was likable as both. I think Saya is unlikable as a person, but likable as a character, same for Mirarose. The others didn't have much screentime. fluroboy said: - Complete lack of focus. I don't even know what this anime is. The 1st episode made me think it'd be a story about a witch in training. The 2nd episode had me thinking it'd be about Elaina traveling, helping people and making friends. The 3rd episode made me think that it would try (and fail) to tell some dark stories. But with the 4th episode... what was even the point? I knew the princess had written the note straight away, I knew she was at fault in some way, I knew she was the princess from the story. Yet the anime told me these facts as if they were surprising. This anime has already tried to be 4 things, and failed miserably at each. Same as the major plot focus comment I've written. Some people's preferences are short stories. I think perhaps you thought there was a lack of focus because you failed to understand the message in each. - Episode 1: What it means to be hard working and success driven, and the importance of experiencing failure. - Episode 2: The importance of doing things on your own, and the importance of seeking comfort from others - Episode 3: Complexity and ramifications of one's actions no matter the intention - Episode 4: The dirty side of anger and revenge For each one, certain moments were done to draw emotion out of the audience watching for emphasis. Such as the slaying of the dragon; people were supposed to have an uncomfortable feeling in their stomach and feel bad for it. fluroboy said: - Predictable plot. I explained earlier, but I have not been surprised once. When you have someone of my ability thinking of more interesting ideas for the episode, you've messed up. The bottle of happiness plot was quite predictable, but it was used for effect. When Elaina initially thought of the story of the mage, it was for emphasis for the final scene of the episode. fluroboy said: - Cringe messages and twists. This is definitely the most subjective point for me. Personally, I disagreed with most of the messages presented in the 4 episodes I could stomach. Episode 1, I felt that Elaina got out of Flan's harsh training by crying and guilt-tripping her. Episode 2, I disagreed with the idea you have to be alone in order to "accomplish something". Oh yeah, when has working together ever accomplish anything? Episode 3, I pretty much disagreed with all of Elaina's actions. People have been saying that what Elaina did was the natural human response. Now if this is true, I must be a great goddamn person. I must be such a kind-hearted, selfless hero for going out of my way to help somebody with my magical powers. I highly doubt this, so the people saying this are either psychopaths (unlikely) or edgy (likely). And Episode 4, yeah I just didn't like the princess. She was in the wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right, I can't believe I'm actually able to use an old saying like that. In episode 1, Fran already squeezed everything out of her. She didn't stop because she was guilt tripped. She stopped because she achieved her objective. In episode 2, the message is actually how important it is to be able to work on your own and be independent, not that you must always work your own. In episode 3, she didn't intervene because the message was on the ramifications of intervening. You must be, because if you see some disturbance in public, most people avoid it because it's risky to intervene. Few are willing to boldly jump in and end the conflict. In episode 4, it was about the idea of revenge. A character doesn't have to be likeable. Villains certainly aren't likeable. fluroboy said: I really can't stand this anime. At this point it's irrationally infuriating me. There's obviously no need for me to watch this anymore considering how much I dislike it, so I'm dropping it, with a very low chance of ever picking it back up again, and am giving it a 2/10. And to those of you who are loving the show: more power to you. There's nothing wrong with enjoying something others don't. :) No problem, but it seems like a lot of your points are on what you prefer the anime to be rather than whether it is good at what it does. |
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