My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
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Aug 1, 2020 11:32 AM
#201
Sorghaghtani said: MSK3 said: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I don't even fucking like Yui that much, but FUck. this was just a shitty way to do her. Why can't we jsut let everyone be happy. SHiT, another 7 days of waiting. Hopefully we can keep up the good shit that's been coming for the rest of the season. This is the fate of all secondary leads in a love triangle. It sucks because the authors make us like them too. They are often introduced as being quite antagonistic to the MC, then learning to value them and expressing their feelings far more openly and honestly than the primary lead. But we know they are going to lose. We hope, but our hope is crushed in the end. Yeah I knew from a long time a go that Yui would end up being rejected by Hachiman from what I had seen and read in the LNs. It's still painful because this might be the apex of character and execution in any love triangle ever. The only way that this could be any more painful would be if they pulled a White Album 2, and ended the story with no one ending up being happy. |
Aug 1, 2020 11:52 AM
#202
this is the angst my friends i didn't quite like the dramatic sound effects when yuki's mom was talking and the promo crap 8man and yui did best girl is crying and i know i will be 2 after the end of this series |
Aug 1, 2020 1:18 PM
#204
ToraiS said: Sorghaghtani said: FTKHRTTGLEL said: Can someone please explain this whole fiasco to me? Like in what way did 8man reject yui, The answer is in the words Hachiman did not say. When sensei asks him multiple times why he insists on coming back to help Yukino when Yukino herself has asked him to stay away, Hachiman basically gets embarrassed and says that "he promised to save her." But this is in complete contrast to Hachiman's character. Think back to the Hachiman we saw at the start of the series. He is lazy. He does not want to socialize with anyone. Sensei basically forces him into the club and forces him to help others. So why is he being so proactive now, especially considering he even has the excuse of baking a cake for Komachi? It has to be because he has strong feelings for her, even if he is unable to express it. Another contrast is that Yui goes on a 'date' with Hachiman using the excuse of getting a present for Komachi. but he does not really seem invested in it, even if he is a lot more outspoken and friendly that before. But when he hears that Yukino might be in trouble, he drops everything, calls up sensei and leaves on the spot. His attitude to the two girls is very different. Yui is a close friend, since he does not really engage with other women in the same way as he does sensei, Yui, Yukino or Saki. But Yukino is clearly a step above this. The difference is just cruel. I have a bad habit of siding with the secondary lead in these situations, so as usual I got burnt. Poor Yui. I agree that he does has complicated feelings for Yukino but you downplay Yuigahama's relationship with Hikigaya too much. At the start of the series, he is practically set-up by her sister to go on a summer date with Yuigahama at S1 because he was so unwilling. Then at the end of S1, he got obviously baited by Yuigahama to take her out on a date with that honey toast. He knew this too, and he had the option to protest but he still accepted her invitation. At the school field trip, he would entertain Yuigahama's high school love cliches without protesting at all. Fastforwarding to this episode, now Hikigaya was the one to ask her out without Yuigahama spelling it out for him; his past self would ignore her hints super hard. If he wasn't emotionally invested on Yuigahama, he wouldn't be changing for her. Hikigaya's nature is to save people. That's why he prioritized Yukinoshita over Yuigahama at that particular instant because when Yukinoshita lowered her guard to Hikigaya for the first time, he now knows that she is a broken person in deep trouble. Seeing Yukinoshita being burdened by her own trial of fire triggers the "sister complex" problem that Iroha and Haruno brought up. Yuigahama knows this; because it is the reason why she fell in love with him in the first place. Where she saw a heroic figure in Hikigaya, willing to risk his life to protect a stranger's dog. She could literally persuade Hikigaya by bawling her eyes out, or say key words to prevent him from going to Yukinoshita's aid. But who is she to deny Hikigaya's natural instinct of saving people, the very trait that she fell in love with, to her best friend who has become a person that needs saving along the course of the anime? So in summary: Yuigahama's relationship with Hikigaya has more weight than people realize, that Yukinoshita is a damsel in distress at the moment which makes Hikigaya concerned, and that Yuigahama voluntarily stepped aside, rather than Hikigaya pushing her aside for Yukino. Thanks for adding this perspective. Perhaps I have been inflating the Yukino-8man relationship. After all, it's only after he 'saves' her that they can start building any relationship. Meanwhile, Yui has crossed that boundary and has been quite forward about her intentions. But I still think the chances for Yuix8man is bleak. Yui has rarely pressed Hikki to give an honest reply, and Hikki's just delaying the moment he has to talk about her about it. 8man should stop stringing her along if he doesn't feel he can date a person like her. |
Aug 1, 2020 2:24 PM
#205
I am a little disappointed with the big argument with Haruno. In the book, she hit Hachiman pretty hard. He trembled all over, could hardly stand, vomited. It was completely broken and she just leaves it there. At that point, Hachiman would have needed serious psychological care. Haruno also only wanted to separate them so that Yukino became an easier victim for her mother. She obviously had the same conversation with her. It is also clear why Yukino behaves so strangely. I think to understand Hachiman you have to take into account his past. He was tortured throughout his school days and has deep psychological scars. The people who tormented him always put on a smile and took advantage of his naivety. He could not understand her falsehood and was repeatedly injured or completely misunderstood the situation. That is why it is impossible for him to understand Yui, let alone to love her. Their own kindness drives them apart. That's why he cares so much about Yukino. At first she was always open and honest with him. If he says something naive or stupid, she tears it to pieces in front of his eyes. So he could start to trust her. Only at the end of the second season did he notice that Yukino is also not honest with him. Now he has to cope with the fact that Yukino is not perfect. This season he has to learn to see them as people and to be honest with himself. Basically, he's just afraid to misunderstand everything and get hurt. |
BandulfAug 1, 2020 2:36 PM
Aug 1, 2020 3:58 PM
#206
Having Yui as my favourite character in this anime makes me suffer like G did, lol |
Aug 1, 2020 9:16 PM
#207
Aug 1, 2020 10:03 PM
#208
Best girl never wins... I cant watch this show anymore its True Tears all over agin 3 season just to have my heart shat on and i knew it was gonna happen... Why do i torture myself |
Aug 2, 2020 3:33 AM
#209
Aug 2, 2020 4:14 AM
#210
testing MAL for some reason i can;t comment ok here i go |
Aug 2, 2020 9:47 AM
#211
Yui, my sweet girl! Don't cry! My heart broke for her at the end of this episode; Hikki essentially chose Yukino over her and that's basically confirmed for her that his feelings for Yukino are strong than for her. I feel like the ' save Prom' situation is gonna get complicated too; I get that Hikki wants to help Yukino because he really cares about her but what she needs is for him to step back and let her figure this all out herself. As Haruno said; the trio are codependent on each other and to have a health relationship they all need to break out of that and be with each other because they want to, not because they feel like they need each other. |
Aug 2, 2020 11:59 AM
#212
Spot on episode. Very frustrating to watch the mother complain though, lol. Which is kind of what they are getting at so.. good job, haha :D Yui is honestly my favorite character. I do not dislike any character, but I feel most connected to her. I can understand her pain and I feel she is way stronger than she thinks so herself. |
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Aug 2, 2020 12:10 PM
#213
I waited for this new season without a particular high hype, and I now get why. The story really is too unrealistic, setting, the characters interactions,... The only thing I remembered from the past season (that I watched when they were airing) was Yui a.k.a best gurl. The main characters might have clear defined personalities which is a good point, but overall my current feeling is that SNAFU is overrated :/ The pace is not that great, and being a SoL is not an excuse. Despite the fact I'm on the Yui ship, this latest episode didn't get me (and god knows how easy I'm on this kind of scene !). It's too much for not much. |
Aug 2, 2020 4:33 PM
#214
I'm Yukino fan and i've never cared about Yui. Since this season started i realized how great she is. I love her now and I have no problem if Hachiman ends with Yui. For god's sake just let him end up with one of them. |
Aug 2, 2020 8:04 PM
#215
Emunh said: I'm Yukino fan and i've never cared about Yui. Since this season started i realized how great she is. I love her now and I have no problem if Hachiman ends with Yui. For god's sake just let him end up with one of them. Literally the same for me. I was much more on the side of Yukino (Iroha is my favourite) and didn't really care much for Yui, but the last two episodes have made me like her A LOT more. |
Aug 2, 2020 11:29 PM
#216
Is it me or the artstyle for the next episode is kinda different ? |
Aug 3, 2020 8:17 AM
#217
yeah.. i hate that MOTHERfuck. |
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Aug 3, 2020 8:55 AM
#218
This entire story has really just been extremely heavy handed and self serious to the point of parody, all to convey an extremely generic school rom com |
Aug 3, 2020 12:24 PM
#219
VKDOOM said: This entire story has really just been extremely heavy handed and self serious to the point of parody, all to convey an extremely generic school rom com I think your argument is not valid. The entire story(Anime) have three important phase: Season 1 - Comedy Season 2 - Drama Season 3 - Romantic There is a natural progress, especially for the main 3 characters, that are more selfaware of their relationship. Generic School rom com have ecchi and stereotype situation being treated in the same way ever and ever. Probably Oregairu has a lot of subtext, anime especially, but for me is one of the best point of the series, i don't want all the plot served on a silver platter. |
Aug 3, 2020 1:03 PM
#220
This was so painful and sad to watch for both Yui and Yukino. That was a cute short date between Yui and Hachiman and I was still laughing at Hachiman being a paranoid with a mere vending machine. Like dude there's always a vending maching in Japan every 15 meters ( I think) other than that they are very detailed and ultra-modern. As for sensei we already know what's gonna happen like we saw from the last episode and Hachiman already said it too so let's just hope that she will find a boyfriend and have a happy life. Like little devil Haruno said their releationship is basing on codependency and that's kinda true doe and surely sooner or later it will happen from the material last season, Yukino said that she will be needing Hachiman's help in the future when she will get in trouble and that's what I'm going to expect. As for Yukino's mother we know that she is scary,overprotective and just wants a good future for her daughter. Personally I think that she will do everything to stop this prom it was kinda sus bringing up that small negative opinion against the prom but it's true everyone's voice counts and needed to be heard. Let's just see how is this going to end up. It was devastating moment for Yukino, that was a bad timing. Nothing much say to about that. It was just- |
Aug 3, 2020 7:23 PM
#221
I think the beauty in this episode is how much it correlates to a previous episode in season 2, specifically towards the end. Both episodes have Yui asking Hachiman to walk home together, they're both on the same spot, the sun is setting, talking about Yukino, Yui and Hachi going their separate ways, both being on episode 4 in their respective seasons. The only differences is that Yui says she'll beat Yukino, and the other Yui says that she's been defeated by Yukino. I'm a sucker for these kinds of consistencies. |
Aug 4, 2020 12:27 AM
#222
ShiroHachi said: ooo333 said: nah man, Hachiman was aware of Yui's feelings since season 1, do you remember when Yui wanted to confess but was blocked by a telephone? In the novel it's clearer, Hachiman deliberately stopped her from doing it. You better not underestimate Hachiman's feelings to Yukino. He was so obsessive, his monologue in the LN was mostly just thinking of Yukino. You will find out in later episodes, how crazy he is about yukinoShiroHachi said: This is what I fear when many Hachiman monologues are cut, people will think that Yui still has a chance and think Hachiman's feelings towards them are equal. Lol no, even if Yui confesses there, she will be rejected. If Yui was to confess to Hachiman during episode 4, there is NO WAY that Hachiman would deny a pretty and sweet girl like Yui. NO WAY that he would pass up on that chance. He would be an idiot if he did, specially someone with a horrible history with woman like Hachiman. It would be the prize at the end of the race. No guy would pass up on a pretty and sweet girl just because there is a possibility that another girl that he likes might say yes to him. Ikr idk why people that at least read volume 1- 11 still think yui can still win. It has been clear ever since she was indirectly stopped buy hachiman |
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Aug 5, 2020 7:43 AM
#223
ShiroHachi said: when it clearly shows that 8hachiman loves yukino?Kodoku_VN said: Because the MC doesn't love her and his taste in girls is different from yours. SimpleI gonna cry! Why can´t my girl Yui win this war? She did like everything. She is like the best person you can imagine! She did everything right! And she is gonna lose :/ I love this show and also I hate this show! I can´t anymore! |
Aug 5, 2020 9:09 AM
#224
Mirko94 said: VKDOOM said: This entire story has really just been extremely heavy handed and self serious to the point of parody, all to convey an extremely generic school rom com I think your argument is not valid. The entire story(Anime) have three important phase: Season 1 - Comedy Season 2 - Drama Season 3 - Romantic There is a natural progress, especially for the main 3 characters, that are more selfaware of their relationship. Generic School rom com have ecchi and stereotype situation being treated in the same way ever and ever. Probably Oregairu has a lot of subtext, anime especially, but for me is one of the best point of the series, i don't want all the plot served on a silver platter. Season 3 looks to be even heavier on drama than ever. All this tension to ultimately end up being about organizing a prom lmao. This is also why I didn't like season 2 at all because while there is some interesting character progression, its mostly centered around school events and stupid teen drama that is so superficial and not tied to anything that is genuinely important (like who cares if this kid confesses his feelings to a girl that is not interested lmao) Not to say this episode was as bad because it finally got into the actual meat of Yui's feelings, but even then we have seen so many anime love triangles have an episode like this. |
Aug 6, 2020 9:40 AM
#225
Yukinon made a sad face, my heart was breaking silently and I didn't even notice it. Yuigahama cried, my heart's shattered in pieces. This episode was too much to take in. |
Aug 6, 2020 3:18 PM
#227
I just hard dropped this when Yukino's mom just went in and be the politically correct elephant in the room trying to cancel the prom. adults rule the world and the children are to suffer from it. always. that could have been 8man's great reason in quitting the club altogether. "I can't deal with adults, and that includes you Shizuka-sensei" or something. I've been saying this ever since season 1, but loner ending is the best ending for 8man. Yuki's mom should be his greatest lesson as to why that is. |
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Aug 6, 2020 8:58 PM
#228
The adaptation seems more excessively melodramatic than the LN in these parts. The inner monologues would help in some parts, though the LN isn't exactly blameless either. There would be subtler ways to do this. |
TheDeedsOfMenAug 6, 2020 10:13 PM
Aug 8, 2020 5:14 AM
#229
Great episode, all I can say is that those last minutes broke my heart into pieces, poor Yui :,( |
Aug 9, 2020 9:05 PM
#230
Haha, I really want to be there when Yui is crying like that tho...I really can't stand this. Also, what I want to say is this season's vibe, from the opening until the ending, it's a sad vibe, really sad, even though there are some funny scene, but the vibe is still sad, really... |
Aug 10, 2020 12:48 AM
#231
after looking at this whole "yui sad arc and yukino problem" now i finally realised how sad yukino or being yukino is,i mean u guys dont realise that from many response from ppl like this forum for example,some ppl said "yui is this and that meanwhile what is yukino doing?" or "what the big deal with yukino?? she is just damsel in distress blablabla" and "why hachiman care or like yukino to begin with? how?" most ppl or maybe no one care or looking at yukino because she is not a genki girl who will do everything to be accepted like yui and that her personality and how she act all this time make ppl dont care when hachiman or ppl like him that will look at her as who she is and why he interested and love her to begin with,this is why her sister haruno feel so sad about her sister and skeptical with yui and hachiman at first,because in the end,no one think yukino is like normal girl she is and that she deserve good thing for her because she is genuinely a good person. now at this moment when she finally have to deal with her mother,she finally have friends that understand her and even guy like hachiman who like her for who she is as a whole,when so many viewer who watched is clearly on the side of ppl who dont even want to care and look at yukino.but thankfully from the very first moment of the show in s1 it showed how hachiman to yukino that make it so good. |
Aug 11, 2020 2:02 PM
#232
Wow, the ending of the episode hit hard. I legit got goosebumps. |
Aug 12, 2020 1:38 PM
#233
I'm a little behind but I cannot leave out an episode discussion. My goodness I don't know how to feel. The Yuigahama outing was the cutest part of the episode and it was pretty much needed as a "breather" for what was to come. Gosh darn I just want to hug Yui. I really liked the part where Hiratsuka-sensei was asking Hachiman why he wants to help. I find myself in situations similar to Hachiman where I would find roundabout ways to excuse myself for doing things but Hiratsuka-sensei has a way with Hachiman that gets him to be honest with himself. The way they did it was great. At first I thought Hachiman said that he was doing it because he was already too far gone in the prom-idea to stop, but it was really because he made a promise to Yukino to be "save" her (more like "be there" for her). Yui basically lost her cake-making date to Yukino without Yukino even seriously trying. This is literally what Yui has been saying. She's been ignoring most of these situations and trying to squeeze herself in a situation where she knows she's getting left out. IMPORTANT NOTE: It seems Yui knows that Hachiman, deep inside, cares about her and Yukino. I don't think Hachiman would be a simp to comfort or to not leave a crying girl in the streets, but he would be worried as to why Yui would be crying. He likes to have solutions as he said in one of his mini-monologues while talking to Hiratsuka-sensei. So a mixture of care and solution making would have definitely made Hachiman stay with Yui had she kept on crying. Hachiman even stopped to look back just to make sure Yui is fine before running back to save Yukino. Yui is in such a tough spot and it'll only keep hurting her more. **--This episode was more so for Yui than it was for Yukino so I focused on that. The codependency stuff Haruno told Hachiman will probably be further tested in the next or future episodes. It's kind of true but I think they're going to try and prove her wrong here. I do believe that Haruno is antagonizing Hachiman to keep Hachiman from going away from Yukino so Yukino doesn't end up like Haruno. It's a weird situation. She does have a point though. Some battles are personal and should be fought by the person themselves.--** |
zeron824Aug 12, 2020 1:43 PM
Aug 13, 2020 1:59 AM
#234
Aug 15, 2020 10:56 PM
#235
When Yui thought she can get more alone time together with Hachiman, the plot prevented her wish so much. In the end, she just get a long sadness in return. Poor her. But i can't do anything to denied the event, while in my heart felt so pity with her fate! As the final approach, i may call this a great way to finished what the series had: everyone feeling. Maybe some of the people just seen a clear hint. Some of them reach the source material. But for me, on this one, Yui's monologue of sadness was the truly confirmation about her true feeling. About the relations between those three, a perfect simbiotist mutualism, more of romantic vibes. The direction of the plot feel great. And ofc the intensed moment of Yukino mom intervention just made everything as satisfied as the soap opera. Even with the black screen of credit scene style looks very well matched with my thought! Okay. Its sad. But what could she do to denied the clear fact? Hachiman seems pretty clear about his intentions too. Even, until the final end reach, the real intentions of him still blurry. Was that really because of his promises? His acting of possessiveness toward Yukino was quite clear. But what was the true purposes? Like that sensei said, just make it into a good word with those kind of situations, for changed everything clear as crystal. A heavy breath. Sensei situations was same. Maybe the next one everyone just burst out their truth? Idk. I don't get any knowledge from any resource. So, from now on, the hinted message of metaphora soon reach the end. The poetic implication glowing at every second. It will clear every blurred part that somehow trying hard to burden everyone, or the series itself. Was i like this kind of situations? In most of time i am unsatisfied. However, since i know the nature of this show, all of that was truly understandable for me. Thats it. - my ranting over this drama - Finally, i have a time to catching up what i left from the previous quarter. Facepalmed. This series was not supposed to be catched up on every week. It will be good if the series watch in a batch. However, since i may challenge myself, here i am to conquer what i missed to feel: by watching a heavy tone teen drama in a seasonal sensations at every week of waiting time. Its hard, i believed now! So, to reduced my pain, i shall take the series 3 par per day. Its unsatisfied, ofc! But, well, i can't thing any other good choice for this season. So, Well, everything just set up, like that. Lets just jumped into the next episode! |
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Aug 15, 2020 11:21 PM
#236
Sorghaghtani said: FTKHRTTGLEL said: Can someone please explain this whole fiasco to me? Like in what way did 8man reject yui, The answer is in the words Hachiman did not say. When sensei asks him multiple times why he insists on coming back to help Yukino when Yukino herself has asked him to stay away, Hachiman basically gets embarrassed and says that "he promised to save her." But this is in complete contrast to Hachiman's character. Think back to the Hachiman we saw at the start of the series. He is lazy. He does not want to socialize with anyone. Sensei basically forces him into the club and forces him to help others. So why is he being so proactive now, especially considering he even has the excuse of baking a cake for Komachi? It has to be because he has strong feelings for her, even if he is unable to express it. Another contrast is that Yui goes on a 'date' with Hachiman using the excuse of getting a present for Komachi. but he does not really seem invested in it, even if he is a lot more outspoken and friendly that before. But when he hears that Yukino might be in trouble, he drops everything, calls up sensei and leaves on the spot. His attitude to the two girls is very different. Yui is a close friend, since he does not really engage with other women in the same way as he does sensei, Yui, Yukino or Saki. But Yukino is clearly a step above this. The difference is just cruel. I have a bad habit of siding with the secondary lead in these situations, so as usual I got burnt. Poor Yui. I might be very late. I an fully aggreed with your opinion. But let me quote your miracle statement to highlight such a clear phrase : POOR YUI |
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Aug 16, 2020 1:49 AM
#237
Poor Yui (x14). She's too hard on herself. She knows she can't have it both ways so she went with the safer option to avoid hurting her friends, what else could she have done? I'm feeling meh on the episode itself though. It's nice to have something substantial happening again and the subtext came back in full force, but this was all stuff that was obviously going to happen. It was clear that Yukino was the one in Hachiman's heart way back in season 1, and Yukino coming into conflict with her family has been poked at for just about as long. Does the bulk of the subtext really need to revolve around stuff that's been due to come for most of the past two seasons? It's fulfilling but not interesting when it's done like that. |
Aug 23, 2020 10:23 PM
#238
This idea that Yukino must do all of this on her own without any help because she'll be "useless" if she asks for help, or because Hachiman "isn't her older brother", or whatever bs excuse they gave... it's all so retarded. Haruno's logic makes zero sense and neither does her character. She always tries to undermine Hachiman, Yukino, and Yui's friendship and camaraderie for no legitimate reason. What is wrong with working as a team -- as friends? "It's codependecy!" Haruno whispers in Hachiman's ear, as Hachiman becomes wide-eyed from utter shock at this unexpected revelation. What the fuck? What is wrong with co-depending on people you love? And how is this codependency unhealthy? How are they holding each other back in any way? Furthermore, why must Yukino do everything by herself? What does this even prove? She's always done everything by herself. If anything, it's because now she has Hachiman and Yui as friends that she's grown stronger. Yet her and Haruno's logic is that she relies on others too much and that this is a bad thing, and that it prevents her from "becoming an adult". Question: why would Yukino even want to "become an adult" like Haruno has? What does Haruno even do, get drunk and do fuck all at the high school she used to attend as she torments her younger sister? "What is Yukino giving up to become an adult?" asks Hachiman. "The same as me: a whole lot of something," answers Haruno. Wow, very deep and philosophical. I don't fucking get it at all. Nothing these characters say are well explained in the least. They are so ambiguous and Hachiman proceeds to let these ambiguous comments slide, not questioning wtf they mean. This show is getting progressively dumber with every episode. It tries so hard to be deep but in the end it's just pretentious and frankly I just disagree with Yukino and Haruno's positions (or what I can even gather from them) and I wish they were sincerely challenged by Hachiman and Yui, but instead the pair only flinch out and refuse to fight back. For whatever reason, whenever Haruno or whoever makes their stupid argument, Hachiman and Yui get wide eyed, Yui's eyes glisten, and then they do a little grunt in shock as they both fall silent. Don't even get me started about Hiratsuka "leaving school" or whatever the hell that means. It's not really explained either and the show just expects you to understand this drama too. Maybe it'll be explained in the next episode, I don't fucking know. This is becoming unbearable to watch. kidlat020 said: I really wish there's a meme that goes like this: heroine: I want to be a bride in the future! meme: what did you majored in? heroine: *this kind of major* meme: did you ever went to school to do bridal training and housekeeping? We need more women like Yui who want to be brides and to give it their all to raise the next generation. Women focusing on career is a waste of time. In fact, even men focusing on career for any reason other than raising a family is a waste of time. There are exceptions, but generally speaking, this is the case if you want a fulfilling life with a family and children and grandchildren and have a marriage that lasts until death. Anyways, I actually don't even get your joke; are you saying that women who want to be wives first and foremost shouldn't spend their time working for a major unrelated to that? I guess I agree if that is the case. Bandulf said: I am a little disappointed with the big argument with Haruno. In the book, she hit Hachiman pretty hard. He trembled all over, could hardly stand, vomited. It was completely broken and she just leaves it there. At that point, Hachiman would have needed serious psychological care. Lol what a pussy. Imagine getting that upset over some bitch telling you that your relationship with her sister isn't genuine. Why must he prove anything to her, anyway? |
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Aug 23, 2020 10:55 PM
#239
HeroicIdealism said: "It's codependecy!" Haruno whispers in Hachiman's ear, as Hachiman becomes wide-eyed from utter shock at this unexpected revelation. What the fuck? What is wrong with co-depending on people you love? And how is this codependency unhealthy? How are they holding each other back in any way? muh stronk indipindint wahmims because muh fiminisem is what. seriously. what the retarded boomer-tier logic is... oh wait. their mom is a boomer. NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE! seriously pls die boomer. and while I'm at it die normies, casuals and moralfags. |
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Aug 23, 2020 11:01 PM
#240
kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: "It's codependecy!" Haruno whispers in Hachiman's ear, as Hachiman becomes wide-eyed from utter shock at this unexpected revelation. What the fuck? What is wrong with co-depending on people you love? And how is this codependency unhealthy? How are they holding each other back in any way? muh stronk indipindint wahmims because muh fiminisem is what. seriously. what the retarded boomer-tier logic is... oh wait. their mom is a boomer. NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE! seriously pls die boomer. and while I'm at it die normies, casuals and moralfags. Yeah, this show does seem to have the attitude that a woman depending on a man is undesirable. Yui wants to be a bride -- well, Hachiman isn't interested in Yui. Yukino wants to depend on Hachiman -- well, this is wrong, so she must grow up and become an independent adult, because her bitch of an onee-chan says so. |
Aug 24, 2020 6:33 AM
#241
HeroicIdealism said: kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: "It's codependecy!" Haruno whispers in Hachiman's ear, as Hachiman becomes wide-eyed from utter shock at this unexpected revelation. What the fuck? What is wrong with co-depending on people you love? And how is this codependency unhealthy? How are they holding each other back in any way? muh stronk indipindint wahmims because muh fiminisem is what. seriously. what the retarded boomer-tier logic is... oh wait. their mom is a boomer. NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE! seriously pls die boomer. and while I'm at it die normies, casuals and moralfags. Yeah, this show does seem to have the attitude that a woman depending on a man is undesirable. Yui wants to be a bride -- well, Hachiman isn't interested in Yui. Yukino wants to depend on Hachiman -- well, this is wrong, so she must grow up and become an independent adult, because her bitch of an onee-chan says so. any girl that has reached their first puberty (ages 12-14 in most cases) who chooses education over marriage is choosing career over families. sorry but the moment they entered high school indoctrination is the moment they're no longer valuable. be a slave working that 9-5 job and earn minimum wage I guess. otherwise why even study? |
>I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
Aug 24, 2020 11:09 AM
#242
kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: "It's codependecy!" Haruno whispers in Hachiman's ear, as Hachiman becomes wide-eyed from utter shock at this unexpected revelation. What the fuck? What is wrong with co-depending on people you love? And how is this codependency unhealthy? How are they holding each other back in any way? muh stronk indipindint wahmims because muh fiminisem is what. seriously. what the retarded boomer-tier logic is... oh wait. their mom is a boomer. NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE! seriously pls die boomer. and while I'm at it die normies, casuals and moralfags. Yeah, this show does seem to have the attitude that a woman depending on a man is undesirable. Yui wants to be a bride -- well, Hachiman isn't interested in Yui. Yukino wants to depend on Hachiman -- well, this is wrong, so she must grow up and become an independent adult, because her bitch of an onee-chan says so. any girl that has reached their first puberty (ages 12-14 in most cases) who chooses education over marriage is choosing career over families. sorry but the moment they entered high school indoctrination is the moment they're no longer valuable. be a slave working that 9-5 job and earn minimum wage I guess. otherwise why even study? Lol you're probably trolling but if you're not, I don't fundamentally disagree (though I wouldn't go as far as you). I don't think it's the girl's fault that she is being set up to choose career. It is modern society that makes it so that girls are told to learn the same skills as men so that they can have a career. A girl who's in school isn't "no longer valuable" though. I just think it's a shame that women are told to go to college and get a degree and spend the rest of her life working a soul sucking career instead of focusing on her own fertility and starting a family before she hits 30. Anyways this is very controversial and very off topic, so let's end it here, unless you have one more thing you want to add or something. |
Aug 24, 2020 11:49 AM
#243
HeroicIdealism said: kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: "It's codependecy!" Haruno whispers in Hachiman's ear, as Hachiman becomes wide-eyed from utter shock at this unexpected revelation. What the fuck? What is wrong with co-depending on people you love? And how is this codependency unhealthy? How are they holding each other back in any way? muh stronk indipindint wahmims because muh fiminisem is what. seriously. what the retarded boomer-tier logic is... oh wait. their mom is a boomer. NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE! seriously pls die boomer. and while I'm at it die normies, casuals and moralfags. Yeah, this show does seem to have the attitude that a woman depending on a man is undesirable. Yui wants to be a bride -- well, Hachiman isn't interested in Yui. Yukino wants to depend on Hachiman -- well, this is wrong, so she must grow up and become an independent adult, because her bitch of an onee-chan says so. any girl that has reached their first puberty (ages 12-14 in most cases) who chooses education over marriage is choosing career over families. sorry but the moment they entered high school indoctrination is the moment they're no longer valuable. be a slave working that 9-5 job and earn minimum wage I guess. otherwise why even study? Lol you're probably trolling but if you're not, I don't fundamentally disagree (though I wouldn't go as far as you). I don't think it's the girl's fault that she is being set up to choose career. It is modern society that makes it so that girls are told to learn the same skills as men so that they can have a career. A girl who's in school isn't "no longer valuable" though. I just think it's a shame that women are told to go to college and get a degree and spend the rest of her life working a soul sucking career instead of focusing on her own fertility and starting a family before she hits 30. Anyways this is very controversial and very off topic, so let's end it here, unless you have one more thing you want to add or something. I've never seen any female, literally anyone who say they get x major with the full intention of starting a family. it's always muh careers. because as you said: the "societal" expectation of going to school is to get that soul sucking 9-5 job. in a way people are waking up because of covid but... I dunno. so many shows are STILL glorifying the education choice instead of getting pregnant at age 15-16. I mean just that last season anime where it started with episode 1 where characters are LITERALLY lost on what to do in life despite being a fresh graduate. that should have told you something but nooo, glorify the muh education because muh indoctrination or something. and sorry, it IS the girl's fault of choosing whatever because adults said so. she could have resisted but no. and assuming it wasn't... what does that have to do with me? sure you could point the finger on the parents, the extended family or even societal expectation, but in the end she chose to listen to normies. and here I am expected to "fix" whatever poor decisions she made? if she's not ready in her prime, don't expect me to be her betabucks in her decline. (damn too much off-topic for a poor poor show about boomer parents fucking children's future) |
>I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
Aug 24, 2020 12:08 PM
#244
kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: "It's codependecy!" Haruno whispers in Hachiman's ear, as Hachiman becomes wide-eyed from utter shock at this unexpected revelation. What the fuck? What is wrong with co-depending on people you love? And how is this codependency unhealthy? How are they holding each other back in any way? muh stronk indipindint wahmims because muh fiminisem is what. seriously. what the retarded boomer-tier logic is... oh wait. their mom is a boomer. NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE! seriously pls die boomer. and while I'm at it die normies, casuals and moralfags. Yeah, this show does seem to have the attitude that a woman depending on a man is undesirable. Yui wants to be a bride -- well, Hachiman isn't interested in Yui. Yukino wants to depend on Hachiman -- well, this is wrong, so she must grow up and become an independent adult, because her bitch of an onee-chan says so. any girl that has reached their first puberty (ages 12-14 in most cases) who chooses education over marriage is choosing career over families. sorry but the moment they entered high school indoctrination is the moment they're no longer valuable. be a slave working that 9-5 job and earn minimum wage I guess. otherwise why even study? Lol you're probably trolling but if you're not, I don't fundamentally disagree (though I wouldn't go as far as you). I don't think it's the girl's fault that she is being set up to choose career. It is modern society that makes it so that girls are told to learn the same skills as men so that they can have a career. A girl who's in school isn't "no longer valuable" though. I just think it's a shame that women are told to go to college and get a degree and spend the rest of her life working a soul sucking career instead of focusing on her own fertility and starting a family before she hits 30. Anyways this is very controversial and very off topic, so let's end it here, unless you have one more thing you want to add or something. I've never seen any female, literally anyone who say they get x major with the full intention of starting a family. it's always muh careers. because as you said: the "societal" expectation of going to school is to get that soul sucking 9-5 job. in a way people are waking up because of covid but... I dunno. so many shows are STILL glorifying the education choice instead of getting pregnant at age 15-16. I mean just that last season anime where it started with episode 1 where characters are LITERALLY lost on what to do in life despite being a fresh graduate. that should have told you something but nooo, glorify the muh education because muh indoctrination or something. and sorry, it IS the girl's fault of choosing whatever because adults said so. she could have resisted but no. and assuming it wasn't... what does that have to do with me? sure you could point the finger on the parents, the extended family or even societal expectation, but in the end she chose to listen to normies. and here I am expected to "fix" whatever poor decisions she made? if she's not ready in her prime, don't expect me to be her betabucks in her decline. (damn too much off-topic for a poor poor show about boomer parents fucking children's future) I understand your point of view but people with our beliefs in traditional gender roles must be more nuanced if we are to convince anybody. If we go all out and say that women should ditch education completely and get married off at age 15, people will think we're insane and barbaric. That's just the world we live in now. Here's what I say: girls are fine going through grades K-12. It is good to have ladies who are educated. Some women are even suited for college. But I agree that the condemnation of women who focus on becoming a bride and mother over college education is wrong. You are right though that first world nations, including Japan, are full on promoting women having careers instead of starting families. This is definitely one of the major reasons why Japanese birth rates are so low (same as with white birthrates in western nations). Look in the 50's and 60's and you'll see that the birth rates were fine. It was when women were pressured to focus more on career that the births gradually declined and then took a major plunge. On some level it's the girl's fault, on some level it's the parents', but on a macro level I blame the societal expectations. Of course, most girls will choose to become fully invested in career and not give it a second thought when the culture says that this is what a girl ought to do. And I get that in traditional cultures of the past, women were married at younger ages. I still think getting married at 18 through the early 20's is a good thing. However I'm not going to die on the hill of lowering the age of consent to 15 and marrying off our daughters at that age lol To bring this somewhat back on topic so that the mods don't destroy these posts (of which I believe are interesting and need to be said): Yui is best girl because she wants to be a bride. Hachiman is an idiot for not appreciating this, for there are very few women in the modern world who earnestly wish to focus on being a wife and mother first and foremost. I even think that Yukino would want to focus on becoming a bride, but of course the writers had to subvert that and make it so that being a woman who depends on a man is "weak" and that she "must become an adult". Also is it just me or is this whole anti-dependency thing kind of against the entire moral of season 1, and against the whole point of Hiratsuka forcing Hachiman to join the Service Club? I mean just think about it for a second: Hachiman was a loner who depended on no one, so Hiratsuka thought it was a good idea to change that about him and have him make genuine companionship with Yukino. And what is companionship if not relying on each other? Why must Yukino do everything on her own? What the hell does this prove? |
removed-userAug 24, 2020 12:13 PM
Aug 24, 2020 9:59 PM
#245
HeroicIdealism said: kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: kidlat020 said: HeroicIdealism said: "It's codependecy!" Haruno whispers in Hachiman's ear, as Hachiman becomes wide-eyed from utter shock at this unexpected revelation. What the fuck? What is wrong with co-depending on people you love? And how is this codependency unhealthy? How are they holding each other back in any way? muh stronk indipindint wahmims because muh fiminisem is what. seriously. what the retarded boomer-tier logic is... oh wait. their mom is a boomer. NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE! seriously pls die boomer. and while I'm at it die normies, casuals and moralfags. Yeah, this show does seem to have the attitude that a woman depending on a man is undesirable. Yui wants to be a bride -- well, Hachiman isn't interested in Yui. Yukino wants to depend on Hachiman -- well, this is wrong, so she must grow up and become an independent adult, because her bitch of an onee-chan says so. any girl that has reached their first puberty (ages 12-14 in most cases) who chooses education over marriage is choosing career over families. sorry but the moment they entered high school indoctrination is the moment they're no longer valuable. be a slave working that 9-5 job and earn minimum wage I guess. otherwise why even study? Lol you're probably trolling but if you're not, I don't fundamentally disagree (though I wouldn't go as far as you). I don't think it's the girl's fault that she is being set up to choose career. It is modern society that makes it so that girls are told to learn the same skills as men so that they can have a career. A girl who's in school isn't "no longer valuable" though. I just think it's a shame that women are told to go to college and get a degree and spend the rest of her life working a soul sucking career instead of focusing on her own fertility and starting a family before she hits 30. Anyways this is very controversial and very off topic, so let's end it here, unless you have one more thing you want to add or something. I've never seen any female, literally anyone who say they get x major with the full intention of starting a family. it's always muh careers. because as you said: the "societal" expectation of going to school is to get that soul sucking 9-5 job. in a way people are waking up because of covid but... I dunno. so many shows are STILL glorifying the education choice instead of getting pregnant at age 15-16. I mean just that last season anime where it started with episode 1 where characters are LITERALLY lost on what to do in life despite being a fresh graduate. that should have told you something but nooo, glorify the muh education because muh indoctrination or something. and sorry, it IS the girl's fault of choosing whatever because adults said so. she could have resisted but no. and assuming it wasn't... what does that have to do with me? sure you could point the finger on the parents, the extended family or even societal expectation, but in the end she chose to listen to normies. and here I am expected to "fix" whatever poor decisions she made? if she's not ready in her prime, don't expect me to be her betabucks in her decline. (damn too much off-topic for a poor poor show about boomer parents fucking children's future) I understand your point of view but people with our beliefs in traditional gender roles must be more nuanced if we are to convince anybody. If we go all out and say that women should ditch education completely and get married off at age 15, people will think we're insane and barbaric. That's just the world we live in now. Here's what I say: girls are fine going through grades K-12. It is good to have ladies who are educated. Some women are even suited for college. But I agree that the condemnation of women who focus on becoming a bride and mother over college education is wrong. You are right though that first world nations, including Japan, are full on promoting women having careers instead of starting families. This is definitely one of the major reasons why Japanese birth rates are so low (same as with white birthrates in western nations). Look in the 50's and 60's and you'll see that the birth rates were fine. It was when women were pressured to focus more on career that the births gradually declined and then took a major plunge. On some level it's the girl's fault, on some level it's the parents', but on a macro level I blame the societal expectations. Of course, most girls will choose to become fully invested in career and not give it a second thought when the culture says that this is what a girl ought to do. And I get that in traditional cultures of the past, women were married at younger ages. I still think getting married at 18 through the early 20's is a good thing. However I'm not going to die on the hill of lowering the age of consent to 15 and marrying off our daughters at that age lol To bring this somewhat back on topic so that the mods don't destroy these posts (of which I believe are interesting and need to be said): Yui is best girl because she wants to be a bride. Hachiman is an idiot for not appreciating this, for there are very few women in the modern world who earnestly wish to focus on being a wife and mother first and foremost. I even think that Yukino would want to focus on becoming a bride, but of course the writers had to subvert that and make it so that being a woman who depends on a man is "weak" and that she "must become an adult". Also is it just me or is this whole anti-dependency thing kind of against the entire moral of season 1, and against the whole point of Hiratsuka forcing Hachiman to join the Service Club? I mean just think about it for a second: Hachiman was a loner who depended on no one, so Hiratsuka thought it was a good idea to change that about him and have him make genuine companionship with Yukino. And what is companionship if not relying on each other? Why must Yukino do everything on her own? What the hell does this prove? Yui IS best girl if you just look at the bullet points. and if anything she shouldn't be in school anyway since she's frankly an idiot and she's better off playing her strengths aka just get married right now and start a family. education is not a cure for stupidity but that doesn't mean stupid people shouldn't exist. they still have their strengths despite being stupid and that's what Yui should do. big emphasis on "should". but I'm sure her mom will not agree to that in the same way you don't agree marrying off your daughters at such an age. this is why 8man should stay away from her. not because Yui is bad, but because of her parents and ironically enough, because of you aka societal expectation. in S1E6 8man correctly pointed out that she's a fake. she represents what weebs are avoiding the most when interacting with muh society. she's a fake and she's full of shit and 8man should stay away from her. and if she's gonna be his future sister-in-law then oh my god do NOT in any circumstances marry Yukino. I've seen deranged females with baby rabies acting just like her and it's not pleasant. I've said it to myself since S1E3 that 8man should stay with loner ending. and funnily enough he was right since the beginning. this season has devolved into 3dpd drama (intentionally I may add) which only solidifies my point. |
>I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
Aug 24, 2020 10:23 PM
#246
kidlat020 said: Yui IS best girl if you just look at the bullet points. and if anything she shouldn't be in school anyway since she's frankly an idiot and she's better off playing her strengths aka just get married right now and start a family. education is not a cure for stupidity but that doesn't mean stupid people shouldn't exist. they still have their strengths despite being stupid and that's what Yui should do. big emphasis on "should". but I'm sure her mom will not agree to that in the same way you don't agree marrying off your daughters at such an age. this is why 8man should stay away from her. not because Yui is bad, but because of her parents and ironically enough, because of you aka societal expectation. The societal expectation is to wait until like 30 to get married lol. At least in the West. In Japan I think it's mid 20's. I just don't think it's good for children to get married, and yeah I do think 14-16 year olds are children. Although I guess you could make a legitimate argument for marriage between an 18 year old and a 15 year old or something. I don't want to delve into that though. I think 18 as a minimum for marriage is fine. in S1E6 8man correctly pointed out that she's a fake. she represents what weebs are avoiding the most when interacting with muh society. she's a fake and she's full of shit and 8man should stay away from her. and if she's gonna be his future sister-in-law then oh my god do NOT in any circumstances marry Yukino. I've seen deranged females with baby rabies acting just like her and it's not pleasant. "S1E6" Lmao you people quote this shit as if it's a bible verse. How do you remember this stuff? Anyhow, I don't think Yui is a "fake" anymore than what is normal. She of course tries to be friendly and act on her best behavior, which is a facade, but her true personality is still there. Facades are necessary for polite society. I know she has self doubts about herself and she thinks she's not a good person but in the end she does love Hachiman and is earnest about wanting to be friends with Yukino. (You were talking about Yui, right? I honestly can't tell) |
removed-userAug 24, 2020 10:27 PM
Aug 24, 2020 10:45 PM
#247
HeroicIdealism said: The societal expectation is to wait until like 30 to get married lol. At least in the West. In Japan I think it's mid 20's. I just don't think it's good for children to get married, and yeah I do think 14-16 year olds are children. Although I guess you could make a legitimate argument for marriage between an 18 year old and a 15 year old or something. I don't want to delve into that though. I think 18 as a minimum for marriage is fine. which begs my original question: did you majored in X for the sole purpose of starting a family, or starting a career? marrying off at age 20, when you're literally just a fresh graduate? are you insane? again I've never seen any female who specifically said they majored in x with the full intention of starting a family. IT'S ALWAYS MUH CAREERS! so of course the societal expectation is to marry off at age 30. and as a 33 myself I don't want ANYTHING to do with that age at all. reason is simple: I'm not their betabucks paying their meds. as someone who's diagnosed with diabetes at age 27. if she's not ready in her prime fuck that shit I'm not her betabucks in her decline. "S1E6" Lmao you people quote this shit as if it's a bible verse. How do you remember this stuff? Anyhow, I don't think Yui is a "fake" anymore than what is normal. She of course tries to be friendly and act on her best behavior, which is a facade, but her true personality is still there. Facades are necessary for polite society. I know she has self doubts about herself and she thinks she's not a good person but in the end she does love Hachiman and is earnest about wanting to be friends with Yukino. (You were talking about Yui, right? I honestly can't tell) how do I remember? simply by paying attention lul. also sorry I'm talking about Haruno in this paragraph. |
>I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
Aug 29, 2020 1:44 PM
#248
Yui and Hikki's date was great. But the ending feels... Honestly, I kinda get why girl like her would do that but I'm generally kinda annoyed by "letting go of your true love for sake of your best friend" overused anime trope. Realistically, she would probably catched him by the sleeve, being selfish a bit, saying simply 'Don't go' and whole thing would turn really differently - that would be actually great developement akin to real life, not one of those artificial conversations and problems we are dealing with Yukino sisters. Cause with this very moment, Yui basically left the game and whole thing was decided upfront. I still thing Yui is the best girl of this series, in fact, Irohas too, and really almost everyone else is better than Yukinoshita. Watching her constant insecurity problems towards her family is not really attractive for me as a viewer either. To think that everything was decided just by one photo, not by feelings of her own (or his own), it feels kinda cheap. What I would like to is Yukino finally moving on with her life, getting stronger and Yui & Hachiman getting together - simply because they would naturally find liking towards each other after they were pushed away and started spending time together. Or he could end with Iroha, they too have great chemistry together. Anyone but Yukino. But instead we got railroaded again to the one true trope, akin to Nisekoi and other similiar romance. Let's just say I wouldn't be against him ending with Yukino in the end but it would have to be done by better developement that this. It almost feels like the obstacles are falling by themselves, by the rule of the plot... and where is the satisfaction in following story like that, hm? |
Sep 14, 2020 8:40 AM
#249
When you thought it was all going out with a cheerful Yui face, but the dark monotone atmosphere tells you it's gonna be dark and ends up crying with poor Yui in a corner. 5/5 |
Sep 17, 2020 8:47 PM
#250
Ok this episode was a focal point of Yui and Hachiman, and it seems in her own way is trying to get an indirect answer for Hachiman's affections even though she knows deep down it's all meaningless as the answer is clear. Hachiman loves Yukino. The ending with him running off leaving Yui behind was the proof of that. Poor Yui though. If only she was more straight forward with her feelings instead of letting fate happen she wouldn't be as hurt as she is now. But that's life isn't it? Let's hope she learns from this and gets to move on while remaining good friends with Hikki and Yukino. It seems no matter what anyone says, Hachiman is pursuing his own path which in a way is a good thing but is dangerous as it could delve into a codependant relationship as Haruno says. I mean she's not wrong but they're alittle too assertive on that notion showing their mistrust in Yukino's decisions when she's clearly showing that she's trying to change that on her own. It's one thing to be overprotective but they're very controlling. Yukino's mother truly is a terrifying force to be reckoned with. Things just got way more interesting. Oregairu's quality is still doing fine. Not as good as the first two seasons, but it's a really good adaptation in my eyes. |
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