Bokutachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai Chapter 147 Discussion

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Zinzoo said:
His deceased father told him to fall in love, remember?

That never happened though.

Feb 16, 2020 12:32 PM

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Buntatan said:
I sense a death flag.. don't know why...

That's the only comeback card for anyone who is not on board the Uruka ship right now, lol.

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Feb 16, 2020 1:01 PM

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I wonder when you two Uruka lovers are going to see how everyone is hating this ending/arc. You can't be this delusional

Feb 16, 2020 1:08 PM

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I can see it. I would have to be blind no to. Doesn't change its completely irrational and should have start some hundred chapters ago.

If anything it's really annoying how fanboyism can make so many people ignore whole narrative

Also I am certified Sawako fanboy. But she similarly to Fumino didn't have chance as sawy person Ali don't see reason getting all solty over something that was never meant to be.

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Feb 16, 2020 1:15 PM

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Tenzen12 said:
I can see it. I would have to be blind no to. Doesn't change its completely irrational and should have start some hundred chapters ago.

If anything it's really annoying how fanboyism can make so many people ignore whole narrative

Also I am certified Sawako fanboy. But she similarly to Fumino didn't have chance as sawy person Ali don't see reason getting all solty over something that was never meant to be.

Yea, a narrative that was clearly made in 146. If Uruka's narrative so obvious more people would have noticed at the start. Hell even the author realized this and had to retcon the chapter 43 flashback to justify this ending.

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Feb 16, 2020 1:19 PM

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43 justified ending. Flashback was just recap episode.

Feb 16, 2020 1:20 PM

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Justified that the manga was completely pointless after chapter 4? Yes, Yes I do agree

Feb 16, 2020 1:32 PM

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It is the race to the airport cliche

Feb 16, 2020 1:55 PM

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Well..it was an okay ride but I just don't like the (now 99%) Uruka ending. Also Rizu and Fumino getting sank in a few pages.. wtf was that even.

Feb 16, 2020 1:56 PM

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LMAO HAHAHAHA.... its another story of "MC have GREAT AMAZING CHARA & RELATIONSHIP DEVELOPMENT with literally any single one of "other" heroine but SOMEHOW ofc he will end up with the one who doesnt,lol
why dont this generic harem author didnt just suddenly add another one girl like for a few days then suddenly mc marry her out off nowhere,i mean literally this is the logic that always happen in harem series,why harem series have to be bad,atleast in gotoubun almost all of heroine have equal development,but whatever,thank god when i realize this series is the same thing back then i choose to wait till end and yeah,COMPLETELY DOESNT WORTH THE TIME.

Feb 16, 2020 2:15 PM

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Holy smokes, I finally caught up and I find out that not only did my best girl win for Quintuplets, but also best girl here also won. Getting both of there has made for how mad I was at Nisekoi a while ago. I hate how it is still doing the crap where they have to rush to the airport though. It is by far the worst cliche in all of anime (yes it is worse than the accidental pervert/grab)

Hunter x Hunter is a 1/10

Feb 16, 2020 2:17 PM

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kitkatxz said:
Justified that the manga was completely pointless after chapter 4? Yes, Yes I do agree

If Uruka winning is dealbreaker for you, then of course it waste of time for you and others with similiar taste. I myself dropped several dozens mangas and anime because I didn't like main heroine.

I don't care if you hate Uruka or whole manga and are vocal about it, as long as you don't make it sound like wasn't comming since forever.

Feb 16, 2020 2:25 PM

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Tenzen12 said:

If Uruka winning is dealbreaker for you, then of course it waste of time for you and others with similiar taste. I myself dropped several dozens mangas and anime because I didn't like main heroine.

I don't care if you hate Uruka or whole manga and are vocal about it, as long as you don't make it sound like wasn't comming since forever.

I don't hate Uruka, I hate how Uruka is used. If the main defining thing that's going make him choose her is a flashback from a scene that happened before the manga. Every chapter after 4 was pointless because he was in love with her in the start. Just get rid of Fumino and Rizu if the "narrative" your speaking of is pushing for Uruka. So, everyone doesn't get their time fucking wasted, by a story the characters they liked had no chance from the very beginning.

Feb 16, 2020 3:39 PM

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Feb 16, 2020 4:04 PM

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It is amazing how incredibly toxic and small minded the "fans" of this Manga or Gotoubun are.
Close to disgusting, really.

Feb 16, 2020 5:00 PM

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It is amazing how incredibly toxic and small minded the "fans" of this Manga or Gotoubun are.
Close to disgusting, really.

Don't have the author write off girls you got to know and appreciate for 3 years in the same chapter in 5 pages? He put himself into the mess, stop trying to white knight shitty writing

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Feb 16, 2020 5:07 PM

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/sits on a sofa, puts a laptop on their lap and opens the quick-made popcorn pack freshly taken out from the microwave. It's showtime!

@Tenzen12: You also know who I actually rooted for in the manga, right? Ofc you'd know from my posts in AS! :P

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Feb 16, 2020 5:16 PM

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Feelsbadman, I figured Uruka was gonna end up winning but she is honestly my least favorite out of all the girls ://

Feb 16, 2020 5:33 PM

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Don't have the author write off girls you got to know and appreciate for 3 years in the same chapter in 5 pages? He put himself into the mess, stop trying to white knight shitty writing

^^This. So. MUCH. Also, I wonder if we'll get to see fans burning manga volumes of this like with 5-toubun.

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Feb 16, 2020 6:02 PM

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Sums up how idiotic this is.

Feb 16, 2020 6:22 PM

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^Pretty intelligent popcorn worthy amusement so Arigatou na! :)

Of course, with shutting your brain down to every thing that is Uruka related would lead to the above conclusion. Because in reality, her falling in love was not because she was told that she was good at swimming but being the only person who knew "dorekurai" effort she has been putting to remain the best and his way of admiration was in the form of helping her with his notes when everyone else literally "branded" her as a "genius".

Also, how did Nariyuki know about her efforts? The flashback chapter in this arc when Mizuki tells him that she practices everyday like the way they caught her after Mizuki's practice sessions.

But the haters have the mentality of "OMG. It's Uruka. Such rubbish. I will just click the next page and the next and the next until I see Fumino or Sensei or whoever heroine I am in love with blah blah blah. Woohoo~ I am smoking weeds!".

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Feb 16, 2020 6:43 PM

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Buntatan said:
I sense a death flag.. don't know why...

We can only hope. Actually would be better if Nariyuki bites it, then everyone loses.

Feb 16, 2020 6:49 PM

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sabishiihito said:

Sums up how idiotic this is.

mygawd even Asumi-senpai is forgotten in this. and her reason for loving Yuiga should be tied with Mafuyu-tan or maybe even better.

Feb 16, 2020 7:25 PM

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Skyguardian said:
It is amazing how incredibly toxic and small minded the "fans" of this Manga or Gotoubun are.
Close to disgusting, really.

Don't have the author write off girls you got to know and appreciate for 3 years in the same chapter in 5 pages? He put himself into the mess, stop trying to white knight shitty writing

I have a better advice. Just read the Manga for once. Then you won't have to write nonsense like this.
Always glad to help.

Feb 16, 2020 8:04 PM

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kitkatxz said:

Don't have the author write off girls you got to know and appreciate for 3 years in the same chapter in 5 pages? He put himself into the mess, stop trying to white knight shitty writing

I have a better advice. Just read the Manga for once. Then you won't have to write nonsense like this.
Always glad to help.

Wow good argument, leave it to white knights to not have any sort of good back up because they know this arc is terrible. Take your Uruka tinted glasses off for just a couple of seconds to see that everyone besides your small bubble is hating on this arc. It's poorly written, so people are gonna get mad it's kinda of obvious. Don't make the arc poorly written and the responses wouldn't be this bad, it's really not that hard.

Feb 16, 2020 8:10 PM

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kitkatxz said:

Skyguardian said:

I have a better advice. Just read the Manga for once. Then you won't have to write nonsense like this.
Always glad to help.

I don't like the guy at all but a certain someone has proven rather well why Uruka is the best choice. Don't blame me for posting the same arguments again just because you lot just won't accept reality.
Isn't it annoying to live in your alternative hater world? Always the same bullshit when someone else than the so beloved ship wins.
As I said. Disgusting.
I recommend shows like Teen Wolf or Vampire Diaries. Might be better stuff for people like you.

Feb 16, 2020 10:12 PM

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Sums up how idiotic this is.

Hard agree. Uruka is probably the worst choice for him to choose and ignores about 90% of the development that happened in the story.

Feb 16, 2020 10:32 PM

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The manga will reach 20 volumes - said none but google translator. :D

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Feb 17, 2020 12:33 AM

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I'm honestly surprised there's still no announcement for the end of the manga.
We're clearly not more than 5 chapters away from the end and that's probably already a stretch.
Unless 22i wants to keep on milking the trainwreck there should already be something.

Also I'm thinking that this might go for a similar route Akame ga kill etc. went for.
>anime finishes with a bad ending
>mangaka promises he will make manga different
>in the end manga ends borderline identical

Feb 17, 2020 1:54 AM

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The authors of 5toubun and BokuBen just wanna play it safe. They chose the safest route (a girl that is not so loved but not so hated either) so they wouldn't receive the hate that Nisekoi's author received way back then. We just gotta deal with it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rest in Peace, our beloved ships.

Feb 17, 2020 2:15 AM

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Hmmm ...
Finally we are near the ending.
So Uruka win the day ? :)
Look like it's time for a childhood friend to shine !

Feb 17, 2020 5:28 AM

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Holy shit, is it actually happening? The salt just adds flavour.

Feb 17, 2020 8:06 AM

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What it leads to seems to be kinda dissapointing.
I mean it's not like Uruka is bad, I just don't really get it.
First of all the pic posted by sabishiito is awesome :D

But amongst all:
I want to know how they solve the problem with the relationship being unhealthy (no matter wether you like Urkuka or not, such a relationship IS unhealthy), because just an "I wait for you" ending would mean: "Yeah I'll wait 20 years and meet you from time to time."
That would be happy for neither side. Heck, it could even ruin the swimming career, thus shattering the dream of Uruka.

And after all a swimming career is not as short lived as a figure skating career.

Also no matter how I look at it, Uruka makes the least sense to me.

But I have to admit that I'm biased. Sensei would also be strange, but interesting. It could work.
I think Sensei, Senpai, Ogata or Fumino would work.
Personally I'd like to see a Fumino ending, but I don't really see her "ahead" of the others, which would make the decision at this moment feel random.
She'd just need a tiny bit, but currently Ogata and Fumino are at the same place. I'd really like to see more of Senpai though. With the exception of Uruka the relationship which makes the least sense to me.

It would be nice if the author could make the Uruka ending interesting, even though she makes the least sense to me. But I'm not writing the story.

Also I'm kinda dissatisfied by the closure for Fumino and Ogata, let alone Senpai and Sensei (if this is actually the ending and no meaningful content with them comes).

Feb 17, 2020 9:37 AM

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Sums up how idiotic this is.

That is a good example of why Uruka won, thank you.
This meme we can say that all the protagonist except for Uruka in some moment needed something from Nariyuki.
All the characters and I´m not talking about studies, i´m talking about the personal problems, they needed to somebody to fix their lives, if it works like that they could fall for any other who can make it as well, they fell in love for what he did, not for who he is.
Is not the same say "i fell for him becouse he fixed my life, than say i love him becouse he acknowledged my effort and he knows what hard working feels like" Uruka is the only characther who surpassed her problems by her own, and she never expected an answer from the protagonist, she kissed him and conffesed becouse she needed solve and free her feelings.
She is the only one who solved her problem without depend of Nariyuki.

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Feb 17, 2020 10:23 AM

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lol 5/5 chapter. best girl wins. And Ive heard best girl is also doing great in that quintuplets manga. Japan and it´s great taste on girls:

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Feb 17, 2020 10:41 AM

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The author really picked the worst option out of the girls... bad.

Feb 17, 2020 10:49 AM

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I think the mankaga avoided to all girls being rejected for one good reazon, in almost all harem mangas when there is a end girl, great part of the fandom start to throw hate against the chosen one, the same with the MC, example. (Go tobun & Nisekoi)

But is normal, when the harem protagonist rejects the other girls that the fandom hates him, that is bcz i think the mangaka knows if the others teams of the fandom already hate Uruka, maybe avoiding the rejection there will be no reazon for fandom hate Nariyuki too.

Feb 17, 2020 11:53 AM

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@-Stray
I think the mankaga avoided to all girls being rejected for one good reazon, in almost all harem mangas when there is a end girl, great part of the fandom start to throw hate against the chosen one, the same with the MC, example. (Go tobun & Nisekoi)

There’s a saying that if you see a person’s friends, you see who the person is. More evidence that Negi and 22i are buds. Garbage is as garbage does.

Feb 17, 2020 12:37 PM

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The authors of 5toubun and BokuBen just wanna play it safe. They chose the safest route (a girl that is not so loved but not so hated either) so they wouldn't receive the hate that Nisekoi's author received way back then. We just gotta deal with it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rest in Peace, our beloved ships.

At least Nisekoi properply gave closure to the other girls (with their own chapters)..not just brushed everyone out in 4 pages lol.

Shit..at least Renai Boukun got a decent harem ending..

Feb 17, 2020 2:26 PM

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She is the only one who solved her problem without depend of Nariyuki.

We don't even need to consider Uruka's feelings. She solved Nariyuki's problem in the present (discarding her past with him). By that logic, Nariyuki deserves Uruka's affection as well. Haha.

They are too scared to place a box where Nariyuki is on the left instead of any heroine. The answer will be so obvious it will make me ROFL.

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Feb 17, 2020 3:39 PM

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She is the only one who solved her problem without depend of Nariyuki.

Interesting point. But what exactly was her problem? And if she solved it by herself why would a relationship make sense?

If you're talking about just being not able to confess she had plenty of help. From Fumino, from Nariyuki and from her swimming club.

So what was her major problem?

I mean we saw not much of her personal space. Or do you recall any chapter where Nariyuki actually visited her? And we know nearly nothing about her family.
I don't say that Nariyuki shouldn't come together with Uruka, it just makes the least sense to me.

Everyone else would make sense in one way or another, but what do they get out of their relationship?
A relationship is about overcoming hardships together. Sticking together through bad times. They never had these "bad times".

Which hardship did they overcome?

They never put any work into their relationship.

Helping with overcoming the death of Nariyukis father?

I know how that feels.

That's no reason for falling in love. At least I didn't.

I mean they are even physically separated (unless she gives up her dream, which would lead to a loss), so what would be the point? How could a relationship that starts with a loss work out?

Personally I think that if they stay together in Japan the relationship is unstable. And if Uruka doesn't it's unstable too.

Or do you see any stability?

Do you understand why in my opinion it makes the least sense?

But I guess I'm seeing it from a too realistic side. It's a fantasy after all.

Feb 17, 2020 4:52 PM

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Seriously author first QQ and now this man, im starting to hate one of my favorite genre because of these end girls.

me too hahaha and the two are friends idk... such a horrible ending

Feb 17, 2020 11:24 PM

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Wow, harem fanbases are something else.

Feb 18, 2020 1:42 AM

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Ridiculous, all hates Uruka, they use the argument that she is not developed. At the same people, as Uruka was there, omitted it, so how can you say something about character development when you haven't read much of the manga?

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Feb 18, 2020 5:53 AM

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I don't think this end it's so bad, except the classical airport end, but i am a simple man, this type of end satisfy me if it's well done.

But it's pretty interesting to see all this hate about the character and this end. Because, i repeat it and all people can repeat it, it is justified and the manga follow the path to this end.

Juste for a short answer, What does Uruka do for Nariyuki ? I will say, simply really love him. Want it's well being during all the manga, and alway some good willing, it may be not sufficiant for certain people, but for the most, it's a lot (in real life). The other like somebody quote it, they don't really love Nariyuki but what he did for them. Uruka in the begining of the manga expose why she love him, i think people need to reread it. She love him for the being he is (and for the rappel, Nariyuki has a complex inferiority). And the love is mutual for the same reason, Nariyuki has alway been inspired by Uruka like he said in the chapter 7 (and it's the first time he found teaching is a good thin. it's pretty important to note it, it was when Uruka thank him for that at the end of this chapter). Reread the manga and note the passage with them together it will be relevant (like the bento thing for example).

But, i disgress, the interesting point, is on contrary with other manga (like 5trucmuch) this end was installed since the begining and it's well done (except the airport bullshit but the anime is in fault i think, maybe the author want to take it in more time and the anime spoil the end he want and oblige to alter it a little, or more he say the reaction of people, and "wtf they don't understand everything since the begining NariyukixUruka, they hate it, i must put on it some more force and intensity". He put a contract on the director of the anime head and curse him every night).

But with this hate a lot a question appair in my mind.

It was clearly not suffisant when you see the reaction here. But if the author do more than that to pronounce more it, you have no manga harem at all, but really just one romance. Or maybe it was not good enough to convince, too "subtile", but he has placed everything. I mean the only character which Nariyuki had really romantic feeling, romantic projection, or appeal with nothing just just her is Uruka more than the other. So do more than that will change the type of manga, or give too much importance at one character despite the other. It was not the case.

Last point, it's the character himself. Uruka is a bad character for everyone to dislike her (or a majority). But why ? It's what i have some difficulty to understand, the argument exposed are not very convincing. She is not a jealous character, or evil character, or ambigous, or anithing bad. Maybe she is too soft, too kind or too normal ? A Mary Sue ? Like Nariyuki in some sort. The good point of the character i find, her simplicity and her aspect of lovey dovey that is cute in some sort are the point the people dislike about her maybe.

If she was presented at the first character the problem will be solve ?

And if she didn't deny her feeling in the begining, the manga will be already finish concerning the romantic aspect. Because if you remember well, when Nariyuki find Uruka love him, it affect him a lot. It was the first time i see it in this type of comedy with this type of hero. It was determinant to soulign that Nariyuki love Uruka too. Everything about her change. A lot of time during the manga it was definite by love by tierce character. Like the moment when Ogata go to the hair cup shop. "When he see the change it will be distant", the first time Nariyuki see really Uruka as a woman (at the temple chapter 19 all is placed since the begining), with this sentance of her friend "the problem is not he has a girlfriend, but he must see only you". Since this point Nariyuki only see Uruka. It an example but i have a lot it will be very long, to quote all the point that lead to this path with the "difficulty" of this path.

But remember one thing, we read an harem comedy, not a pure "romantic" manga. We can't expect of this type of manga the same développement than the second. Not to say it don't deserve it, but the author dispose or not of the capacity to do it. It's a contract in We Never Learn, if you read it clearly you are satisfy at the end, but if you miss some point, it's treason at the end.

And the harem fan base it's pretty fun, not so different of the Old Naruto fan base.

Good Old Time.

One more thing, i think the real interest of the character of Uruka, it's she is in most time the losing character, she rassemble all the losing point (in japanese perspective) : child hood friend, sportive girl, "tomboy"/genki girl, tan girl, not the first girl, but she has all the win point too (in japanese perspective too, i love japan) : physique not too much (just the good proportion) / cooking style / first to confess / first to fall in love with the mc / Always support the mc / The most extraordinary charater (the other math genious or litterarure it's bull shit, the Olympic that all !! Japan 2020).

Maybe WNL was just a manga for promote Japan Olympic 2020 after all ah ah ah.

ElverostFeb 18, 2020 6:12 AM

Feb 18, 2020 8:17 PM

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After seeing the anime ending, I was really hoping that this ending wouldn’t happen in the manga. Unfortunately, author went and chose worst girl while having the other girls suppress their feelings. I would have liked it more even if the main character ended up with Sekijou or the teacher’s sister (forgot the name)

I’m guessing we were all hoping anyone else would win but I guess We Never Learn

Feb 18, 2020 8:53 PM

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