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Thess said: They only had Kawasumi (Saber) and Daisuke Ono (Kay) for the seal restrictions. But some of those VAs are kind of expensive to hire for that scene (Bedivere is voiced by Mamoru Miyano for example) so is understandable. Not to mention some of the knights dont even have VAs. |
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| I havent read Case File's LN but the whole anime series, if we exclude loregasm was...pretty bad tbh as a whole. On one hand if I let the fan in me rate this it gets a 7 maybe 8 because of the references.But content wise....everything except the OST is pretty underwhelming. Apo was fun at least. CF was just going from ep to ep building up something that didnt deliver. Sieg is trash but everything else in Apo is likable. And is this series meant to develop Waver? Still seems like an Iskandar wanker. Honestly, I liked him more at the end of Zero and EVERY OTHER SERIES where he doesnt ride Iskandar's dick the whole freaking time. He wasnt so bad even in Fate/Accel Zero, and even with Iskandar himself there he could do stuff without caring about "muh Kingu". |
CondemneDio said: I seriously thought no Fate adaptation could be worse than Apocrypha. Extra proved me wrong. I then, naively, thought Extra would be the absolute rock bottom. Once again, I was wrong. This anime deserves the title of the worst Fate anime. It doesn't even have the name Fate in its title... Please stop comparing them. |
booyah10 said: CondemneDio said: I seriously thought no Fate adaptation could be worse than Apocrypha. Extra proved me wrong. I then, naively, thought Extra would be the absolute rock bottom. Once again, I was wrong. This anime deserves the title of the worst Fate anime. It doesn't even have the name Fate in its title... Please stop comparing them. Fate/ in the title is the only thing missing tbh. |
booyah10 said: CondemneDio said: I seriously thought no Fate adaptation could be worse than Apocrypha. Extra proved me wrong. I then, naively, thought Extra would be the absolute rock bottom. Once again, I was wrong. This anime deserves the title of the worst Fate anime. It doesn't even have the name Fate in its title... Please stop comparing them. It is a fate anime, since it literally uses a plethora of characters from the franchise. |
ssjokg said: And is this series meant to develop Waver? Still seems like an Iskandar wanker. Honestly, I liked him more at the end of Zero and EVERY OTHER SERIES where he doesnt ride Iskandar's dick the whole freaking time. He wasnt so bad even in Fate/Accel Zero, and even with Iskandar himself there he could do stuff without caring about "muh Kingu". The anime adapts one arc of many and marks the introduction of Heartless, the series antagonist with Faker. His search of Iskandar is actually very important to the plot same as Gray's own issues about her face and her 'fate' because is mixed with Heartless' objective (he could have used any catalyst for a Servant but he specifically went for Iskandar's cloak - that "why" won't be answered until the last arc which isn't animated yet - if it'll be animated or not). Adra Castle, the first arc that wasn't adapted (they went for anime original written episodes with TM on the script department), was less Iskandar-centric because it was a test run before the plot began full roll and so did both Grey and Waver's character arcs. Anyway, do you also show annoyance to Fate Shirou for being overly fixated with Saber? Like telling her brother's ghost on her "grave" he'll never stop seeking her out. It's the same deal for Waver. It doesn't stop him from doing his job, or caring about his students, though. He saved both Flat and Gray from their loneliness (Flat's backstory is revealed in Fate/Strange Fake where he's a main character), for example. How is Iskandar being the most important person in his life stop him from doing anything? He's fairly functional, with a job, friends, wards-students, he even took care of an injured cat (in episode 0). Accel Zero Waver is supposed to be after Case Files, by the way. |
ThessSep 23, 2019 10:32 AM
Thess said: ssjokg said: And is this series meant to develop Waver? Still seems like an Iskandar wanker. Honestly, I liked him more at the end of Zero and EVERY OTHER SERIES where he doesnt ride Iskandar's dick the whole freaking time. He wasnt so bad even in Fate/Accel Zero, and even with Iskandar himself there he could do stuff without caring about "muh Kingu". The anime adapts one arc of many and marks the introduction of Heartless, the series antagonist with Faker. His search of Iskandar is actually very important to the plot same as Gray's own issues about her face and her 'fate' because is mixed with Heartless' objective (he could have used any catalyst for a Servant but he specifically went for Iskandar's cloak - that "why" won't be answered until the last arc which isn't animated yet - if it'll be animated or not). Adra Castle, the first arc that wasn't adapted (they went for anime original written episodes with TM on the script department), was less Iskandar-centric because it was a test run before the plot began full roll and so did both Grey and Waver's character arcs. Anyway, do you also show annoyance to Fate Shirou for being overly fixated with Saber? Like telling her brother's ghost on her "grave" he'll never stop seeking her out. It's the same deal for Waver. It doesn't stop him from doing his job, or caring about his students, though. He saved both Flat and Gray from their loneliness (Flat's backstory is revealed in Fate/Strange Fake where he's a main character), for example. How is Iskandar being the most important person in his life stop him from doing anything? He's fairly functional, who even took care of an injured cat (in episode 0). Accel Zero Waver is supposed to be after Case Files, by the way. Yeah I know all of that, to an extent, and since a s2 isnt confirmed yet, I dot really care what could happen later.Point is,this was a disappointment for me. I dont mind Shirou's fixation on Saber because a)unlike Rider she acknowledges her mistakes, b)develops, c)actually makes sense after a while, d)doesnt treat her crime/sins as games of a king... in general she is a much better and enjoyable character than a whitewashed(no not the modern definition about skin color), completely selfish bully that some magi student befriended(or became subject of whatever). Waver in Zero seemed already developed at the end.Then CF comes along and says "nah, he even has some minor ptsd now". And Waver was a normal functioning human unlike Shirou who was barely that after the fire and before the -near-end of the HGW. Yes his obsession doesnt stop him from functioning as a human being and a professor.It still annoying to watch to that extend. Waver in Accel Zero could easily be him after Zero and without us having to watch whatever happens in CF. |
| great episode. i enjoyed it! good to see Grey using her powers again. the whole culprit plot took me by surprise. |
CondemneDio said: It is a fate anime, since it literally uses a plethora of characters from the franchise. LMAO, no. Despite its many flaws this is still way better than Apocrypha and Extra. |
Red_Ranger_Wien said: CondemneDio said: It is a fate anime, since it literally uses a plethora of characters from the franchise. LMAO, no. Despite its many flaws this is still way better than Apocrypha and Extra. Apo and Extra isnt the only Fate.... |
ssjokg said: Red_Ranger_Wien said: LMAO, no. Despite its many flaws this is still way better than Apocrypha and Extra. Apo and Extra isnt the only Fate.... Yes, thank you captain obvious. Now explain how your comment is related to the discussion at hand. |
Red_Ranger_Wien said: Go two quotes above and you may figure it out.Yes, thank you captain obvious. Now explain how your comment is related to the discussion at hand. |
ssjokg said: Red_Ranger_Wien said: Go two quotes above and you may figure it out.Yes, thank you captain obvious. Now explain how your comment is related to the discussion at hand. Nope, still completely unrelated to me telling him that this is still a better anime than Extra or Apocrypha |
Red_Ranger_Wien said: Except that you decided to get involved AFTER it became a discussion about CF not being a Fate title only in the title.ssjokg said: Go two quotes above and you may figure it out. Nope, still completely unrelated to me telling him that this is still a better anime than Extra or Apocrypha |
Naaah, train Yamato (like from Uchuu Senkan Yamato) - see above JuuzouXIII mentioning the Wave Motion Gun. ssjokg said: Except that you decided to get involved AFTER it became a discussion about CF not being a Fate title only in the title. Dude, there are many different types of Fate titles like cooking show, mahou shoujo, parody with all the Type-Moon characters... Lord El-Melloi II is just not comparable to the more action oriented stuff. Personally I like it better than Apo and Extra. Many people here complain that it isn't a good mystery show but they didn't pay attention to certain details also they think in detective cliches - there is no firm rule that the culprit should be part of the main cast. |
alshuSep 26, 2019 1:01 AM
alshu said: Naaah, train Yamato (like from Uchuu Senkan Yamato) - see above JuuzouXIII mentioning the Wave Motion Gun. ssjokg said: Except that you decided to get involved AFTER it became a discussion about CF not being a Fate title only in the title. Dude, there are many different types of Fate titles like cooking show, mahou shoujo, parody with all the Type-Moon characters... Lord El-Melloi II is just not comparable to the more action oriented stuff. Personally I like it better than Apo and Extra. Many people here complain that it isn't a good mystery show but they didn't pay attention to certain details also they think in detective cliches - there is no firm rule that the culprit should be part of the main cast. Parodies aside, this has all the elements FSN(at least) has. For a mystery it has more than enough Fate action both from Servants and magi. Yes there is no firm rule the culprit has to be from the main cast or even make a clear appearance at the beginning of the story.But that would make it a better mystery. My problem isnt the mystery itself tho but how it is executed, at least how the anime decided to present it. |
ssjokg said: Parodies aside, this has all the elements FSN(at least) has. For a mystery it has more than enough Fate action both from Servants and magi. So what? If every Fate show is one and the same that would be boring. ssjokg said: Yes there is no firm rule the culprit has to be from the main cast or even make a clear appearance at the beginning of the story.But that would make it a better mystery. No, that would make it better only if it was a logical puzzle kind of a show (like Conan or Kindaichi). Lord El-Melloi II obviously it's not one of those (like obvious even from episode 0). ssjokg said: My problem isnt the mystery itself tho but how it is executed, at least how the anime decided to present it. Yep, some people hate competence porn. But I think you are more disappointed with the way how Waver is interpreted here - he is emo and whimpers a lot. The actual detective work is done by others (Shishigo, Luvia, his students). He definitely looks more badass in other titles like Apo and Prisma☆Illya (some short cameos there). My main criticism here is that the anime dragged too much with this train case. It could be compressed into 4-5 episodes (4.2 + the eventual epilogue of the series). 7 is too long. |
alshuSep 26, 2019 2:26 AM
| @alshu >If every Fate show is one and the same that would be boring. I didnt say that they have to be the same. I said that they are quite similar. >No, that would make it better only if it was a logical puzzle kind of a show (like Conan or Kindaichi). Lord El-Melloi II obviously it's not one of those (like obvious even from episode 0). Even if it is a fantasy mystery it can still create a better set up by doing what proper detective mysteries do. >Yep, some people hate competence porn. But I think you are more disappointed with the way how Waver is interpreted here - he is emo and whimpers a lot. The actual detective work is done by others (Shishigo, Luvia, his students). I dont care if he does all the work or not. As long as that or other traits of him seemed balanced with his Iskandar wank, I wouldnt care. But all of the arc is him being in angst about the relic being stolen(something he also had stolen) or Faker not accepting him, or Faker not being in IE etc. We could have spend all that time in this ep actually talking about the Dr Heartless, and maybe the LN did that, but somehow I am not sure they would just reveal anything so fast even in the original. |
Of course they should have some similarities but they shouldn't be necessary identical. ssjokg said: Even if it is a fantasy mystery it can still create a better set up by doing what proper detective mysteries do. Fantasy or not there are different kinds of detective titles - like some give you enough pieces of the puzzle to figure it out yourself, others keep you in the dark on purpose. |
| So the servant was a faker, and the true bad guy has appeared, dr.Heartless The church guy is really impressing, fighting heartless and his servant after he got his eyes back without needing rest or anything |
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| A lot of explanations in this episode which was nice. RIP mastermind/faker. Gray did a good job of blasting them with her friendship beam. |
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| so the train turned into laser beam shooting thomas the thank engine mech. mokay. lost all immersion i had for this series until that point. |
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| This was a mediocre and slow paced show. The detective stuff was a nice change from the typical fate battle royale. But characters felt quite lacking. Waver was a cool character but I wasn't fully able to understand what he was even trying to achieve. And Saber vessel Gray seemed like a tool with little personality. The ending had some action but was ultimately disappointing. I have no idea how Faker and Heartless escaped unscathed while that badass Karabo died since no explanation was provided. I guess the creators just rushed it in the end. |
| as interesting as it was, everything Waver said in the last 3+ episodes meant little to me compared to the hype i felt from this single minute of Gray-tness LOL |
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| No reaction whatsoever from a sister who just reunited with his brother... Well that would be funny if that Arthuria that have been summoned all the time was a Faker all along. Lol, of all things that Karabo could slash, he slashed only Hephaestion's clothes and cheek. |
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| Hmm...I mean I like the characters and all, and the premise is good, but I feel the execution just isn’t there. Seems like a lot of bs was pulled to explain everything that is going on during this arc. Specifically, that death cannon fired by the train was pretty ridiculous. I’d love to see more of Reines, Gray, and Waver in the future for sure with hopes that it would be a better plot with better execution next time. That Karabo guy is pretty dope too. Ah well, hopefully the last episode is good. I enjoyed this anime a lot more during the shopping episode than the Rail Zeppelin arc. |
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| Random thoughts: - Wait, who the heck is Doctor Heartless? I know he's been mentioned before, but it somewhat felt like he just appeared out of nowhere. - I just realized that Rhongomyniad works kind of like's Arthur's Excalibur from Fate/Prototype. I'm not sure if that was an intended parallel, or if this was more of a chuuni thing to just look cool. - I'm amused that the Rail Zeppelin train has a cannon that you can pop eyes in to fire a magical laser. Rather, why can the train mecha transform into an angry face? In what reasonable situation would it need to change into an angry face that fires lasers? Also, how did the face fire a laser upwards when it's facing forward horizontally? - I always saw Fate mages as typically vulnerable and weak, especially compared to Servants. Even as a fake Servant, Hephaestion should have far outclassed all the mages in terms of speed and power, yet they were still giving her a good amount of trouble. From what I understand, humans in general that could fight Servants are the exception, and that's just in a defensive fight. Even with fancy Mystic Codes and Mystic Eyes, Hephaestion should have destroyed the main characters along with the train. - Thinking about it, a sentient Dead Apostle forest is an interesting idea, despite stretching the concept of Dead Apostles even further than it already has. Is this a Dead Apostle that somehow created a Reality Marble forest, or is the forest itself a Dead Apostle? Given that it's the Type-Moon universe, I guess either is possible, but I still think of regular Dead Apostles as humanoid ghouls or lesser vampires, where as the crazy stuff should happen in the hierarchy above with the Ancestors. - Entries after the original Fate did a lot to distort Holy Grails, huh. At this point, I've lost track of what they look like, how they're created, and how they're supposed to be used. Doctor Heartless could just create a psuedo-Holy Grail by himself, huh? My interpretation of them is a bundle of magical energy that a mage could do whatever they want with, and I guess this kind of still holds true. In that sense, I guess any huge bundle of concentrated magical energy could be interpreted as a Holy Grail. |
| So in the end the culprit was just some random dude with a funny name? Pretty anticlimatic solution to this case tbh. |
| Dr. Heartless: "How horrible. What a wet blanket of an ending." Well... at least the bad guy is self-aware of how anticlimactic this boring, drawn-out case ended up being. |
| so haphasion's imouto got stuck coz she viewed a pornographic doll. very bad episode. |
 Without change,we end up becoming the very person we hate. I was dead until the moment I met you. I was a powerless corpse pretending to be alive. Living without power, without the ability to change my course, was bound to lead me to a slow death. |
| There's things to like about this show, but the mystery in the grand scheme were just utter nonsense. |
| The annoying one finally died |
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