| Though it’s fairly well liked it also has quite a few that don’t like it, Gundam Seed. It’s actually one of my favorites in the franchise |
| This is no Zaku boy, no Zaku! |
Jus1294 said: Aldnox said: School Days is a deconstruction of harem and romance and the reason people hate it is because it did a good job at deconstructing harem and romance, genres people are very attached to. Or they hate it because the characters are detestable in every way. The deconstruction part hardly matters when people's claim to hatred towards it is almost always over the series characters, especially the MC. Seconded (the unjustly hated position), +1 deconstruction. It't not easy to write a cast of characters in which everybody is hateworthy. They are all selfish, stupid, and mildly insane. Try writing that yourself to see how hard it is ... |
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Grizzziff said: Aldnox said: School Days is a deconstruction of harem and romance and the reason people hate it is because it did a good job at deconstructing harem and romance, genres people are very attached to. Save, this is not correct is it. The point of School Days the anime, was to create a season of anime to express a route of the Visual Novel in anime form. There are tons of articles calling it a "deconstruction of the harem genre" but that's really just people sniffing fartsy on the artsy of it. The anime itself just explores the first time player perspective to such an eroge, making all the wrong moves, skipping a few flags, and landing on the nice boat ending. I agree that it's an anime that gets to much undeserved hate, but that is because people (formally myself included) don't really get it. However, according to your post, even people that like it, "dont get it". What I like about it is that it provides a much more realistic picture of highschool relationships, which provides a breath of "fresh air" to the highschool romance/harem genres, never really thought about it as a genre deconstruction. It actually reminded me of my highschool, if you substitute Makoto for some guy named Jay, minus the murder.. and the setting in Japan... add lots more drugs and underaged drinking... |
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| Agree'd with the SAO one, S1-2 were actually nice, S3's hot garbage tho. |
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Mattinator95 said: Setsuei said: The problem with things like this is no one ever bothers checking when the source material came out before claiming something is a ripoff of something else. As far as most people know since Steven Universe aired on TV first, that makes Houseki no Kuni and automatic ripoff. They aren't even a like . The only thing they have in common is gems that's it I know that and you know that,but unfortunately all it takes is that one thing in common for fans to make this claim. |
| Yugioh Arc-V. Everyone just overreacted to the dull final arc and then went out their ways trying to say it was flawed since Synchro Arc. Like the only basis I find from that in particular was the so-called 5Ds biasedness, which I never found as an actual issue. The pacing in the second half I will admit had its problems, though. |
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| Your Name. It quickly went from overrated to overhated |
Black_Sheep97 said: In my case I found the examination to be just lip service trying to be taking more seriously that it should, with a deeply flawed and barely cooked concept, at best. The references to Orwell and other authors were just more lip service without understanding the real message of those books it likes to name. BlancaXLobo said: The first season isn't even good to beging with. Really I thought the first season was amazing with examination of free will for the humans and the contructs and principles of an ideal/ controlled society, plus it's parallels with George Orwell with poignant and unique. |
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| Anything that gets remotely popular, as people will just come out of the wood works just to hate on them for being popular. |
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Black_Sheep97 said: BlancaXLobo said: i think the lip service or dialogue was naturally interwoven into the characters action and motivation and provided depth to the themes that those characters embodied, and I fail to see how you can say that they weren't explored, there was an abundance of it through the dialogue of the plot events of the story and the characters perception of them and alot of it wasn't a mere copy and paste of those principles but an exploration of those principles in it's own narrative,while in the case George Orwell, they didn't really focus on the concept of his novel at all as it was about corruption of control, whereas in the case of psycho pass, it's Utopian with the ideal of control and the inherent by product of tyranny.In my case I found the examination to be just lip service trying to be taking more seriously that it should, with a deeply flawed and barely cooked concept, at best. The references to Orwell and other authors were just more lip service without understanding the real message of those books it likes to name. Black_Sheep97 said: Unfortunetly i don't seem most of the things you said. BlancaXLobo said: i think the lip service or dialogue was naturally interwoven into the characters action and motivation and provided depth to the themes that those characters embodied, and I fail to see how you can say that they weren't explored, there was an abundance of it through the dialogue of the plot events of the story and the characters perception of them and alot of it wasn't a mere copy and paste of those principles but an exploration of those principles in it's own narrative,while in the case George Orwell, they didn't really focus on the concept of his novel at all as it was about corruption of control, whereas in the case of psycho pass, it's Utopian with the ideal of control and the inherent by product of tyranny.In my case I found the examination to be just lip service trying to be taking more seriously that it should, with a deeply flawed and barely cooked concept, at best. The references to Orwell and other authors were just more lip service without understanding the real message of those books it likes to name. The characters were cardboard cut-outs instead of complex: (I needed to look the character's names up because i couldn't remenber just one) - Akane. Innocent Urobuchi's heroine who's ideallistic. Her views (or lack thereof, because she also just an audience surrogate, and a pretty bad one on that too) seems to get challanged, just so we can have other characters commenting how strong she's, even characters who dismissed her just a few episodes before, without any natural change. And all of that with one of the biggest "You had one job!" moments we've ever seen in anime history (Pull the fucking trigger, you stupide hoe!). I need to go to a american YA novel to find more protagonists with these levels of uselessness and character shilling. - Kougami aka I Want to be Cooler than Spike Spiegel. For all we heard before about him, he used to be a normal guy, until one day of of his team mates got brutally murdered and he snap out of it. So now he's searching for revenge... Why i hae the sensation we already have thousands of characters like this when the PS2 got release? Also, he's Akane's love interest because ABS. Just same reasons the cat ears girl and the monkey tail guy got paired in RWBY. Love this RWBY levels of quality writting. - Ginoza. There are two types of guy with glasses that appears in most anime. One is moron who takes everything more seriously than he should, like the ones from My Hero Academia and Free!. And then it's the other types, than i can describe with just one word: Douchebag. Ginoza belongs to the last type. The stuff with his father was compelling, it was laready too late. Besides it shows the Sybille system was around enough time to stop making all the mistakes we've seen it made on the show. - Kagari. Red shirt. He got one meaningful conversation with Akane at the start, then the show forgot he existed until it was time to kill in the most unceremonious way possible in the show's fake climax. - Yayoi. I must admit, her flash-back episode was actually pretty great, a good example of Psycho Pass exploiting its full potential. Unfortuneatly the character was pretty much ignored before and after it, everything on it was ended abruptly and if it wasn't for it I will probably only know her as "the girl who sometimes fucks with the female team scientist, becauseGen Urobuchi wanted lesbians cause he thinks lesbians are hot". - Makishima. Can writers please stop using the blon/albino bishonen as a villain? It's one of the most overused character types. Takahiro Sakurai's acting was superb, but that was just because he has a special talent to voice bad guys. His dialog screams "Do I look smart enough for you?" all the time. The best example as the themes in Psycho Pass serving just as lip-service and nothing more because no one knows what they're actually writting about. The show also lacks complete originality, without bringing anything new to the table. When its not riping off better animes like Monster, Cowboy Bebop or Ghost in the Shell, its riping off sci fi classic book like Minority Report, which i'm surprised you didn't mention. I mean, the Sybill system is basically the precogs from Minority Report, but worse. Because while the precogs being capable of seeing the possible futures, which gave the police more and better information to prevent a crime, while the Sybill system only collects human's emotional responses, which are less trust worthy sources. Also, you completely misunderstood what 1984, was about. The story was about the State's will crushing each one's individual will untill anyone, despite knowing how fucked and wroong the system was, will be completely obedient, accepting anything they're told, even if it went against all logic, like that 2 + 2 = 5 instead of 4. And you can't escape from it. The one Orwell book i could think it was about power corruption would be Animal Farm, being about an ideology that was born with noble goals like freedom and equality became a new way for new oppresors to oppress people (well, animals in this case, but you know what i mean) but i don't think that was Urobuchi's inspiration. If that was the case, the characters would've been citting and mentioning Animal Farm much, much more. |
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| Kimi no na wa, im still salty its not rated number 1 on MAL lol |
| I would defend goblin slayer. Outside of episode one where a lot of ppl got butthurt about the gore and that specific scene. I think goblin slayer is a good and super fun show. Definitely gets some unwarranted hate. |
| @Black_Sheep97 I won't quote you because if i did it i'll beat the record of the biggest post in MyAnimeList forum. I know the "no work of fiction is 100% original" is a really popular argument right now to defend when someone get criticed for being not original, or a opy of something, but being derivative can count as a flaw too, specially when something just mimics other things without understanding what made them good to begin with, being too busy copying them to have their own identity. And the problem with Psycho Pass is not that the anime is not 100% original, that would be an unrealllistic expectation for any anime, sure, but when an anime evokes too many times the "I already seen this before and better done" feeling too many times, you can consider a work has failed. The regime in 1984 is never presented with a good start to beging with, just a corrupted power which emotionally manipulates the masses, unlike Animal Farm, in which the ideology born with noble goals, stop the explotation of farm animals and create a society in which all of them are equal and in control of their lifes, and then the pigs use it for their own benefit to reach power and absolute control over the other animals, corrupting it. Animal Farm is about how totalitarian regimes reach power, 1984 is how they keep it. And Pyscho Pass doesn't explore or show neither one or two. The show never explains why the Sybill system was created, the first season at least. The Japanese goverment grew more paranoid? If that was the case, why? Fear to foreign threads? A ise of delinquency? We're just told the system was established and how it works. Nothing more. And then is how the Japanese goverment works besides the Sybill system. Is Japan a dictatorship or a "democracy" (or the closest thing that can be considered a democracy with a system like that)? A republic or still a monarchy (And yes, I know for Japan protraying the emperor is a taboo, but with all their dialog you'd think they ad a line like "Oh, by the way, we still have an emperor") I wouldn't say Psycho Pass "did a better job in human psychology", mostly because it doesn't seem to understand how a basic human being works, and when it does i think it's mostly unintentional. Like being stopped on the street by cyberpunk Leatherface and stading just there in front of him like a dumb victim in a slasher movie, instead of pretending she doesn't notice to help interact with such a dangerous looking guy, or straight up running away. But maybe it's because the Sybill system made humanity too complicent, or lack survival insticts, but if that wuld be the case i'm pretty sure Gen Urobuchi would be beating us over the head with the dialog if we didn't understand that message. Because he can't writte subtle, and when he does he didn't realised it untill someone else pointed it out. |
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| @Black_Sheep97 And talkling about originality let's talk about Akane. Concretly, how she really is a card-board cut out because Urobuchi seems to not know how to writte any other type of female character that isn't a female idealist who grew uo sheltered. Fate/Zero is the show that kinda get rid of it, but the anime was made at the start of his carreer, and he was working with Type Moon characters and mythos, and not his own creations, so will exclude it from this conversation. For now. We got princess Serum in Aldnoah.Zero, Amy in Suisei no Gargantia and Madoka in Puella Magi Madoka Magica. And you can say "Oh, there's nothing wrong with having a personal main character-type". Well, let me tell you, it is if you only writte a character like that, over and over again, one anime after another, without ever changing. It makes you look like a hack. If they really wanted to make Kagari tragic, give him more screen time. More time with Akane, in which she empathyzes with him and him with her, but then there're moments in which she realised they're very different people. A good character interaction is not good because it shows one time, it's good because there's more than one and al of them have weight. And that's the problem, you can show a character once, forget about him, and then kill him. That just make a character seem replaceable, and it's Akame ga Kill levels of laziness. I mentioned Yayoi's sexual orientation because that as her only characteristic shown beyond her focus episode, and if they didn't do that, i wouldn't notice her character. And i don't think what's worse for a character: being treated like Kagari or being treated like Yayoi. To behonest both are awful ways to treat your characters. And talking about Ginoza, I said beofre "character types", but actually i wanted to say "clichés" in the most despective use of the term. And Ginoza is not even a combination of both, because if he was he would have comedic moments, bcause the moron who takes everything seriously is a buffon, a goofball, and Ginoza is none of them. He's too serious, which make him fall right in the douchebag territoty. And yeah, he's not a complete scumbag, but his attitude is unlikeable enough to keep him there. The stuff with his father was just a "Oh no my father (who I treated nearly as shit by the way) is dying, I'm so sad, and the guy all the fujoshi pair me has left by the way, boom sudden change". Great character development. Were's the depth you said it provides? Becuase i think it would be easier to find Shichinirou Watanabe's dignity after doing Carole and Tuesday than this. And yeah, those are all the similarities between Kougami and Spike. There can't be more because Kougami doesn't have enough dimension to have room for more. And Kougami and Akane didn't have a mentor relationship. They're suppossed to have it, but they never have because they barely interact. Their relationship is bare bones at best. I'm not saying Makishima's words aren't true or not, I'm just saying most of his dalog consists of him just spewing phylosophical quotes to make the character, and by extension the show, to seem more deep that it really is. |
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| @Black_Sheep97 originality is important, specially for a show like Psycho Pass, who like yu told me, talks (wants to talk) about human condition. You just can spew a few quotes and then sit down and wait for the applause. You need to do something more. You need to have something to see. And i know you're gonna explain what you think Psycho Pass is about, that is actually a really deep show about human condition, that "no really man the show has great staments about the man, man", but I just gonna tell you: I didn't see any of that, anywhere, and that's why i think the show fails, and that's why I think it's bad. But you're not me, you see all of that, and that's why you're defending it so much. And let me tell you, you're not bad at doing it, it's just you're wasting your time with me. Also no blonde/albino bishonen as villains is a trope that needs to be stopped right now. Because not every trope which is used is overused, there's a difference. |
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epicyarnboy said: No one else IRL to have this kinds of conversation. I think that's a pretty good reason.How do people have the time to write these fucking essays on anime lmfao |
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Black_Sheep97 said: @BlancaXLobo thats not really a popular argument now, that's been an argument since the dawn of art, as nothing in art is pure creation but all art is derivative inspiration, what sets it apart is how utilizes what has been done before to put emotional and creative spin on and psycho pass certainly does that, if the comparison is with 1984 and minority report. It might evoke themes similar to minority report and 1984 , but it is distinguishable from those stories because of it's characters and world, something being derivative isn't critism cause everything is derivative, what matters is how interesting the derivation is. The regime of 1984 not being presented as good is irrelevant, it's still shows an abuse and corruption of those is power, it's still rationalize their utilization of power as necessary but the viewpoint of the public establishes as corrupt, that's another distinction between 1984 and psycho pass, ones a utopian and the other is a dystopian. I think psycho pass does explore the concept of free and the totalitarian regime, it's just the sybil does act as blantant as a totalitarian regime. These elements are explored through the showcase of the applications and benefits of the sybill system which is done through the dialogue and the cases encountered. The show has alluded to why the sybil system exists, as a result of scientific progression and the for creating a more secure and stable society. The system is accepted in Japan because of it's ability to provide people a secure lifestyle under an accepted "objective" standard, and they even talked about the testing period on how it was able to accurately determine people's psycho pass. And that's an solid reason to resort to such a system. It certainly does, through the various cases the team encounter and the analysis of dialogue the provide about these cases to rationalize their thoughts, another part that psycho pass did really well, the characterization of all the villains that appeared for their brief arcs. That instance you pointed was explained and rationalized through dialogue and understandably so, its a rare instance that and so it's understandable for the team to talk about and provide their own perspective. Whether it's subtle or not is irrelevant to the fact that it is there and explored. Are you sure it's not that popular, because i've seem a lot of people using it on the Internet everytime someone called something a rip-off or derivative. Also don't came with that "all art is derivatice inspiration" bs. Yeah, art have always take some inspiration from the past, but if all art was derivative inspiration, like you just said, we'd have been stuck with the same art styles since the Bronze Age. There' something call art evolution, and that evolution happened because artists incorporated new elements to the art, making it different from previous artworks. Characterization of villains on every indiviual arc? Are you fucking kidding me? You're a troll right? All of them seem like rejected Mirai Nikki antagonists. |
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| Isekai wa Smartphone, it gets a lot of hate because people went into it expecting action and are judging it as an action show |
DYED said: Poputepipikku. It wasn't an anime meant for a wider audience, but just for the niece fanbase behind the Pop Team Epic manga. As expected, the fan of the manga enjoyed it (I did too), while the casual watchers left with a bitter taste in their mouths. Heh, stuff that happens. not surprisingly since it's a series of lame joke. |
| The world is not beautiful. Therefore, it is. |
| Aldnoah Zero. I went into the first season thinking it would suck and I would hate it, but it was actually one of the best shows I watched last year. I don't know why everyone said it was trash, the voice acting was great, the animation was nice, the character designs were on point, and the character's themselves were compelling and I wanted to follow their stories and see where it ended. |
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| cant think of any. on the contrary, majority of anime shows should get way more hate because of their sheer blandness and unoriginality. |
johnbradshaw said: not surprisingly since it's a series of lame joke. I disagree. Degustibus, but there really weren't any "lame" jokes. The one that didn't stand on their own legs were callbacks and inside jokes from the manga, so you needed prior knowledge to appreciate them. Poputepipikku is a love it or hate it adaptation, and from the reviews I read, it all depends on the watcher's opinion and knowledge of the source material. |
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| @Black_Sheep97 excuse me, are you trying to teach me art lessons? Because if you're gonna do it, at least do a good job. First of all, you have missrepresent Pablo Picasso's quotes. Yes, he said absolute creativity doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean he said creativity didn't existed, or that it wasn't neccessary for artistic creation. And he said creativity, not originality, which are not synonyms. And that thing you'd call argument is even more disgusting when anyone takes into account the fact he belong to the Vanguards, artistic movements which tried to break with all previous artistic tradition. And talking about things you got wrong, no, tropes aren't overused because that's their nature. When they become overused by all the hack writers who doesn't know how to write a good story for shit because some work use it and became popular, they become cliches. Depth doesn't have anything to do with it, either. To be quite honest your mistakes are so big that i barely pay attention to the bullshit excuses you say that only proves Psycho Pass was successful tricking you into thinking this shit has depth, or it's even good. |
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DYED said: Poputepipikku. It wasn't an anime meant for a wider audience, but just for the niece fanbase behind the Pop Team Epic manga. As expected, the fan of the manga enjoyed it (I did too), while the casual watchers left with a bitter taste in their mouths. Heh, stuff that happens. Pop Team Epic is a successful anime in Japan though. Besides, it's basically meme comedy with plenty of references to other pop culture franchises. Honestly, the niche here is potentially every fan of absurd memes/shitposting on the internet which is a very wide and non-specific target audience. |
| yugioh series after original, haters are everywhere. it's like a nightmare 24/7 |
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| FAIRYTAIL! sure I give it shit sometimes, but still my fav. itskinda like the last jedi of anime. just not THAT bad. |
| MHA. Sure it's stereotypical in someways, but it executes everything really well. I thought Season 2 was amazing, from the character development to the music. |
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| DitF. The latter part of the show is still decent and not as bad as many ppl made it look like. |
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| Pretty much every ecchi and CDCT shows. So much unnecessary hate towards these two. |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas "Woof" -Tobiichi Origami "Are you trying to turn the dormitory into a strip club!?! -Atena Saotome |
Joshua_QT said: Satsuriku no Tenshi. I loved every minute of it, but apparently it's not seen in a particularly good light. I'm assuming it's one of 'but da sauce' criticisms. The fanbase is pretty active, tbh. Japan loved it. Also, SAO. Just to spite that other guy. Yesssssssssssss xD |
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