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| The action at the end kinda looked like shit but damn, that cliffhanger. |
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| Worst soldiers(?) I ever seen. :D Mayshii is love, Mayushi is life! |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| We too Mayushii, we also miss our Houoin Kyouma.. ｡ﾟ(ﾟ´Д｀ﾟ)ﾟ｡ Damn, Mayushiis' confession and Litahlo supreme breakdown.. this is exactly where I really prise these talented seiyuu. The action is shit, but overall still 5/5 |
 I'm starting to get embarrassed by my own forum signature line.. XD |
| Lmao, that shooting scene. Good episode though. Shit's getting intense but poor Mayushii triggering her own death flag by confessing her feelings and all of that :'( |
| We'll see another tragic moment happens in the next episode... |
Devil_Slayer said: I swear this show is like waiting for something to happen but it never happens. This episode was good and all but are we gonna spend the whole anime trying to convince Okabe to get in the time machine? Can't we just throw Okabe in deep shit again and see him struggling again? I am tired of seeing emo and sad Okabe at this point. This episode was good but PLEASE pick up the plot from here on. I am tired of just waiting for shit to hit the fans. This whole series has been far inferior to the original. It is a mess and trying to hard to be edgy. |
| Am I the only guy who found the action sequence at the end mind numbingly stupid? It's the new "lets allow okabe to run back to his lab after we ran over mayuri" that took place in season 1. Like seriously, 20 soldiers can't shoot Suzuha? Is she immortal or a hologram? It's small things like this what ultimately KILL any possible enjoyment I get out of these kind of shows. The audience isn't stupid, and White Fox should know better. |
 I don't watch as much anime as before... |
| That action sequence at the end was ridiculously stupid even in anime standards. Couldn't take anything that happened seriously. |
| Ah, how I love Steins; Gate ... This anime is so perfect, but a few episodes ago it was a bit boring. They're finally focusing more on Mayushii, I'm loving it. Next episode will be perfect. 5/5 |
"No matter where you go, everyone's connected." Iwakura, Lain. |
| That rooftop scene was so laughably bad, honestly one of the worst scenes i've ever seen in any anime. I loved the original, but 0 is quite disappointing so far. Still enjoyable, but way, way worse. The animation is so bad... and that entire "action sequence" was just laughable. Soldiers? Surrounded by 20 of them, Suzuha just kills em while the others watch. What a joke. |
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xZabuzax said: Romeo said: That rooftop scene was so laughably bad, honestly one of the worst scenes i've ever seen in any anime. I loved the original, but 0 is quite disappointing so far. Still enjoyable, but way, way worse. The animation is so bad... and that entire "action sequence" was just laughable. Soldiers? Surrounded by 20 of them, Suzuha just kills em while the others watch. What a joke. LOL!, if you thought THAT was bad then prepare yourself for episode 18 which is even more ridiculous and probably the worst episode of Steins;Gate 0 to date. Let us know your thoughts about episode 18, lol... welp.. just watched it It was terrible, what a big disappointment. And to think I was really looking forward to this anime : / The original was 10x better. |
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| Suzuha killing many soldiers is a bit stupid but no matter. It seems that Kagari was killed.... Mayuri is dead again :( |
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| well this was a little more dramatic than expected…will mayuri die like that…hmmm let’s see. |
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xZabuzax said: In the current world line Mayuri and Kagari used to be alive in the future Why? It was in a previous worldline where Suzuha and Kagari came from. Time travel changes the worldline, so a time traveller always come from a previous worldline. xZabuzax said: but the moment Suzuha received the video mail from future Daru the world line changed to one where Mayuri is dead in the future No. The worldline didn't changed when Suzuha got the mail. The worldline changed in 2025 from the previous worldline to the new one (which the anime follows). xZabuzax said: Kagari wouldn't have been sent to the past either. And she don't need to travel back from this worldline. She travelled back from the previous. Also, her time travel and adoption isn't a convergence. xZabuzax said: As soon as Suzuha received the video mail Kagari needed to disappear in the present and Suzuha shouldn't be able to remember who Kagari was in the first place because they never met in the future to begin with, isn't this a plot hole? Why she had to disappear? Her arrival with Suzuha in the time machine in this worldline isn't erased by Mayuri's death. They came from a previous worldline. If Mayuri can't adopt her in the current worldline's future it won't affect that what happened in a previous worldline. |
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xZabuzax said: the OG Steins;Gate established that time is actually a loop in the same world line No. That would lead to a bootstrap paradox, but pradoxes aren't exist in Steins;Gate. Read the VNs if you want more clarification about the rules. The OG VN is far better in explanations than the OG series. xZabuzax said: In episode 16 from the OG, when Daru was repairing the time machine an older Suzuha already existed in the past (dead of course because she died in 2000), which means, she already existed in the past even before Daru finished fixing her time machine. That Suzuha is not exactly the same Suzuha we saw in 2010 in the original series. That Suzuha is a Suzuha from a previous Alpha worldline iteration. Steins;Gate Universe is not as simple as you think. There were more worldline iterations before the events of the two series. You should check this post, if you want to know more: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/8nioce/an_attempt_at_a_complete_theory_of_steinsgate/ |
SciADV_ManiacSep 20, 2018 5:11 AM
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xZabuzax said: Hmmm, wait a minute, you're basically saying that in episode 16 of the OG, the "old" Suzuha that committed suicide isn't the same present Suzuha that traveled to 1975 trying to complete the loop? No. The Suzuha who committed suicide is the Suzuha we saw in episode 16. I'm speaking about the Suzuha who obtained the IBN 5100 for Okabe and give it to Feyris's dad (and Feyris gives it the shrine, and Okabe obtains it from there). That's why the IBN at the beginning of the show is in the shrine. Because a Suzuha from a previous worldline iteration obtained it in 1975. (I'm speaking about that the Alpha Attractor Field was active at least once before the events of the original show, so there was a previous Suzuha who obtained the IBN then. And when an Attractor Field become active again, the world will be reconstructed based on the last active worldline of the Attractor Field) By the D-Mails, Okabe lost the IBN. By the malfunctioning time machine, they erased the previous Suzuha too, who obtained the IBN (In the VN it was explained that why a time traveler can't meet with his another time traveler self... so basically Suzuha erased the previous Suzuha from the world by her time travel) And the Suzuha who erased the other Suzuha, comitted suicide. When Okabe cancelled his D-Mail about "stop Suzuha", he erased the Suzuha who comitted suicide, and a new Suzuha could went back to the past to obtain the IBN (and she obtained it, we know it from Feyris dad in episode 17) |
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xZabuzax said: Then isn't that basically a loop then? because in episode 16 from the OG they are already living in the result of the same Suzuha that we saw in epsode 16 that was supposed to get the IBN the past, that Suzuha already killed herself No. That's the wrong point. In episode 16, before Suzuha tavels back with the malfunctioning time machine, there wasn't any Suzuha in the past who comitted suicide. Before her time travel with the wrong time machine, there was a Suzuha in the past, who fullfilled her mission (she obtained the IBN, but Feyris dad sold it, that's why the shrine never got it in that worldline.) Also, that Suzuha died in 2000 too, but not comitted suicide, she died in some illnes. (Her death maybe a convergence, because looks like it's always happen in 2000) Then, Suzuha travels back with the wrong time machine, the worldline changes. Reading Steiner doesn't activate, because Okabe's perspective doesn't change. But the worldline changed to a new one, erasing the previous Suzuha (who fulfilled her mission) from the past, and replacing her with the Suzuha who got amnesia during the time travel because of the bad time machine (who left from 2010 in episode 16) |
SciADV_ManiacSep 20, 2018 8:06 AM
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xZabuzax said: So in other words, when Daru was repairing the time machine Mr. Braun didn't have the sad letter from the Suzuha that killed herself. Exactly xZabuzax said: The way you are approaching this is definitely a lot more complicated, something doesn't make sense to me. You say that the moment that Suzuha traveled to 1975 with the broken time machine the world line changed but if that's the case then the numbers from the Divergence Meter needed to change as well right? Because it looks like the numbers didn't change. Or maybe the Divergence Meter is not 100% accurate, the world line changed but it was so minor that the Divergence Meter wasn't able to display the other "hidden" values because it doesn't have more numbers on it. Oh yeah, the divergence meter. We heard from Suzuha that the meter was made by Okabe in the future and it works in the same way as Okabe's Reading Steiner. But Reading Steiner doesn't activate anytime when the worldline changes. It has 2 conditions: 1. At the exact time of the worldline shift, Okabe is alive in the current worldline and the new worldline too. 2. The new worldline's Okabe has different memories than the Okabe from the current worldline. When both is true, then Reading Steiner activates, and the current worldline's Okabe's memories overwrite the new worldline's Okabe's memories. But, if at least one of the two conditions is false, Reading Steiner won't activate. So even Reading Steiner can't indicate every worldline changes. This is the reason that the meter which is based on RS, can't show the divergence number correctly always |
SciADV_ManiacSep 21, 2018 12:51 AM
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SheevPalpatine said: xZabuzax said: So in other words, when Daru was repairing the time machine Mr. Braun didn't have the sad letter from the Suzuha that killed herself. Exactly xZabuzax said: The way you are approaching this is definitely a lot more complicated, something doesn't make sense to me. You say that the moment that Suzuha traveled to 1975 with the broken time machine the world line changed but if that's the case then the numbers from the Divergence Meter needed to change as well right? Because it looks like the numbers didn't change. Or maybe the Divergence Meter is not 100% accurate, the world line changed but it was so minor that the Divergence Meter wasn't able to display the other "hidden" values because it doesn't have more numbers on it. Oh yeah, the divergence meter. We heard from Suzuha that the meter was made by Okabe in the future and it works in the same way as Okabe's Reading Steiner. But Reading Steiner doesn't activate anytime when the worldline changes. It has 2 conditions: 1. At the exact time of the worldline shift, Okabe is alive in the current worldline and the new worldline too. 2. The new worldline's Okabe has different memories than the Okabe from the current worldline. When both is true, then Reading Steiner activates, and the current worldline's Okabe's memories overwrite the new worldline's Okabe's memories. But, if at least one of the two conditions is false, Reading Steiner won't activate. So even Reading Steiner can't indicate every worldline changes. This is the reason that the meter which is based on RS, can't show the divergence number correctly always Horseshit. The divergence metter isn't a special technology, future Okabe changes the numbers manually on every world line. You are arguing trivialities, in both pre and post world lines Suzuha is dead in the same way. The "slightly different after time travel" worldline is effectively the same. |
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Aquamirror said: Horseshit. The divergence metter isn't a special technology, future Okabe changes the numbers manually on every world line. You are arguing trivialities, in both pre and post world lines Suzuha is dead in the same way. The "slightly different after time travel" worldline is effectively the same. You should check this thread too: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/8nioce/an_attempt_at_a_complete_theory_of_steinsgate/ And also this (especially for Suzuha's case): https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/9he609/steinsgate_0_plot_hole_in_episode_17/e6bc7ki/ "The divergence metter isn't a special technology, future Okabe changes the numbers manually on every world line." Hah? No, this kind of stuff was never said. Divergence meter works in the same way as Okabe's Reading Steiner, that's what Suzuha said. It was created by Okabe based on his ability. |
SciADV_ManiacSep 21, 2018 8:07 AM
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SheevPalpatine said: Aquamirror said: Horseshit. The divergence metter isn't a special technology, future Okabe changes the numbers manually on every world line. You are arguing trivialities, in both pre and post world lines Suzuha is dead in the same way. The "slightly different after time travel" worldline is effectively the same. You should check this thread too: https://www.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/8nioce/an_attempt_at_a_complete_theory_of_steinsgate/ "The divergence metter isn't a special technology, future Okabe changes the numbers manually on every world line." Hah? No, this kind of stuff was never said. Neither was the other thing. That thread is full of fanfiction bullshit. Occam's razor wins again. |
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Then, prove it that it doesn't work. I know, there is some questionable things in it, and I also don'r agree with it everywhere, but actually this is the only one article which describes the most precisely that how time travel and attractor fields works in Steins;Gate. |
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SheevPalpatine said: Then, prove it that it doesn't work. I know, there is some questionable things in it, and I also don'r agree with it everywhere, but actually this is the only one article which describes the most precisely that how time travel and attractor fields works in Steins;Gate. I don't need to prove anything. Both things could work, but tech with RS doesn't make much sense and isn't needed to explain it. |
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Aquamirror said: tech with RS doesn't make much sense I never said that. I said that the Divergence Meter works in the same way as RS because it's based on it. This was said by Suzuha. Aquamirror said: You are arguing trivialities, in both pre and post world lines Suzuha is dead in the same way. This is wrong, I'm 100% sure. How could Suzuha killed herself in the post worldline if she didn't travel back yet? That makes no sense. |
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SheevPalpatine said: Aquamirror said: tech with RS doesn't make much sense I never said that. I said that the Divergence Meter works in the same way as RS because it's based on it. This was said by Suzuha. It's Okabe who built it. Suzuha doesn't know how it works. Okabe manually changing the numbers is still by effect of his memories from Reading Steiner. SheevPalpatine said: Aquamirror said: You are arguing trivialities, in both pre and post world lines Suzuha is dead in the same way. This is wrong, I'm 100% sure. How could Suzuha killed herself in the post worldline if she didn't travel back yet? That makes no sense. But she definitely will, by convergence. There is no world line in the Alpha attractor field where Suzuha doesn't exist in the past (excluding the "prime WL" shenanigans), she had already traveled there. If you are looking at things as 2 separate world lines you end up in a situation where they are completely identical, which makes the differentiation redundant. Suzuha that traveled from 2036 to 2010, and Suzuha that will travel from 2010 to 1975 have the same future. |
AquamirrorSep 21, 2018 11:27 AM
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Aquamirror said: But she definitely will, by convergence. There is no world line in the Alpha attractor field where Suzuha doesn't exist in the past I didn't said that. I just said that the pre worldline Suzuha didn't kill herself. She died in illnes. The post worldline Suzuha killed herself, who travelled back from 2010 to 1975 with the malfunctioning time machine. And your "There is no world line in the Alpha attractor field where Suzuha doesn't exist in the past" sentence is wrong. In the very-very-very-very first Alpha worldline (which wasn't seen in the series and in the VNs), she doesn't exist in the past. Not in 1975, and not in 2010 too. That's why Okabe, Daru and Kurisu captured by SERN, because she wasn't there to save them. Then SERN created its dystopia. This was the cause of her first time travel from 2036 to 2010. I have to say this is just a theory, but it makes sense, and don't create time paradox, and loops. And I never look the things as 2 separate worldlines, where did I said that? |
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| am i the only one that laughs when mayurii dies everytime? yea? ok rip me hahaha i also love seeing okabes reaction when she dies every time he loses his shit i lose my shit laughing |
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| That ending was just heartbreaking! Really sad development, yet very impressive! Let's see what Okabe will do in this situation... will he just go crazy? |
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| The action scene was garbage. I guess all those military dudes are trained to stand around and watch while someone shoots at them. |
| UAhuAuhauhauhauh wtf So Suzuha kills 4398489398498 men in an open area like that like they were all easy bots. Really? LoL |
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| Is like Mayuri suddenly forgot about Kagari and is only concerned about Okabe this past episodes. Well is to be expected she only talk with her for some weeks. "For today only, Mayushi will stop being an hostage." I liked the Mayushi confessing that she loves Okabe scene. A lot happening this episode. Mayushi decides to go to the past and make Okarin go inside to try and save Kurisu which alters the timeline slightly commencing operation arclight. Some militar men appears and surrond them taking Mayuri hostage but after they get inside the time machine Suzuha finish off like 10 people in one go. And then Mayushi is shot, Kagari appears, she will go mad. |
| Mayuri crying her heart out from the pain of being unable to help at all is surely hearth breaking. Though I can't shed a tear to that after hearing that her love for Okabe is more than that of Kurisu. Yes, even if this is true which I believe it is, I just can't take her words seriously. Anyway, Mayuri claims saying that she would want Hououin Kyouma to return even if it meant Mayuri won't be the Orihime ended up making meter up anyways... (T^T) I do like Mayuri's determination of wanting to help them to reach the Steins; Gate worldline and ultimately help Okabe, but as Okabe questioned. What does she intend to do? Time travelling is not like sending D-mails or time leaping. Will Mayuri try to convince the old Okabe to retry his attempt to save Kurisu or something. I don't like Mayuri for not having a clear objective of her intention. But I also want her to go since Okabe just wanted to be convinced that the beta worldline they're on is perfect so that he doesn't have to experience the suffering needed to reach the Steins; Gate since he can't bear to go through them again. YES! Suzuha's action scene was awesome! She's a 1 person army by herself! These soldiers never stood a chance, but goddamnit they shot Mayurimama, what'll Kagari do now? ARRRRGH!!! THE CLIFFHANGER!!! (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ |
ShadowkillZDec 26, 2018 1:49 PM
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| “Even so... let's not pretend some things never happened. Even when it rains, it's not like the stars disappear from the world. Past the rain clouds, they're still shining brightly. That's why I... I'll push away the rain clouds that loom over your sky.” That was beautiful. (ㄒ_ㄒ) Yes, let's goooo! Let's get on the time machine and reach Steins;Gate! (a few minutes later) Oh... ok then. (´。＿。｀) |
| Yeah, i feel like Mayuri can't be dead since Kagari is still there - if mayushii wasn't alive in the future, she wouldn't have adopted kagari, and she wouldn't have come to the past. Right? Unless somehow she got roped into coming to the past some other way. I feel like if it's the same Kagari, seeing mayushii injured will snap her outta her mind control and she'll hopefully help suzuha finish fighting the soldiers. Hopefully this also brings back Hououin Kyouma, if mayushii actually is dead, then he'll for sure do anything to go back in time, and even if she's alive this is probably the shock he needed to show him that unless he finds Steins;Gate, Mayushii will never be safe, even with Kurisu's sacrifice. Hyped for next ep!! |
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PalePurple said: Yeah, i feel like Mayuri can't be dead since Kagari is still there - if mayushii wasn't alive in the future, she wouldn't have adopted kagari, and she wouldn't have come to the past. Right? Not right. Time travel changes the worldline, so a time traveler always come from a previous worldline's future, not from the current worldline's future. So Kagari's adoption happened in a previous worldline. It doesn't matter that Mayuri lives or dies in the current worldline, because she already adopted Kagari in the previous worldline. So Mayuri can die anytime. And if you already watched episode 20, you can see that |
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SheevPalpatine said: PalePurple said: Yeah, i feel like Mayuri can't be dead since Kagari is still there - if mayushii wasn't alive in the future, she wouldn't have adopted kagari, and she wouldn't have come to the past. Right? Not right. Time travel changes the worldline, so a time traveler always come from a previous worldline's future, not from the current worldline's future. So Kagari's adoption happened in a previous worldline. It doesn't matter that Mayuri lives or dies in the current worldline, because she already adopted Kagari in the previous worldline. So Mayuri can die anytime. And if you already watched episode 20, you can see that Hmmmmm, yeah i just finished ep 21, but i think you're right. But it doesn't make sense that they specifically made a point of saying no bodies were found. About to start ep 22 and see how it goes!! |
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| Mayuri finally learns about the different wordlines etc. Always a different worldine, always new possibilities, we see Daru send Suzuha a video about a new operation but from a different worldine, not the same she left from. And now Mayuri is yet again shot down, hope she's alright :/ Surprised the soldiers barely got anything done against the Suzuha 1 man army. |
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| pfffft,,bullcrap,,who are those people,,they poped out of nowhere,,WTF!!!do they have like some sort of teleport machine now...i cant take this!!thats some shenanigans |
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