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| Decent 1st episode. Looking forward to the next one. |
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| it was okay nice kiss though |
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| Normally I don't like Yuri shows, but this one keeps me interested. Good to see one more Yuri show I can actually enjoy (and not shit like Netzusou Trap) |
| Trying to watch all available anime series so you won't have to anymore, the list of anime I can recommend is still in progress, tho |
| This first episode is something, cannot imagined what mei doing by suddenly kiss Yuzu. Well, is this going to be hard yuri this season ? |
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| I was nervous about how it would go as someone who loves the manga, but I am happy with the way they have adapted it so far. |
| Deliveries go here pls <3 Candy Kingdom (∩^o^)⊃━☆ﾟ.*･｡ﾟ |
Veromaye said: That kiss wasn't even supposed to be hot, the kiss was a representation of Mei anger for what happened to her with the Teacher, mainly because she felt bad for what Yuzu was telling her, and she went like "this is what I experienced". people keep saying that she's a bitch but I really hope they change their mind about her, she's been through a lot and it's hard for her to express what she feels without making it look like a heartless or cold person. But to clarify, the 'hot' kisses are kinda far if not wrong, this is not the regular 'yuri' this is a yuri where the relationship of the characters do have development and are not just 'horny content'. Well I think you could fairly keep calling her a bitch even when more details are revealed. Becoming a bully or sexually assaulting people because you are going through a terrible time....is still wrong. I sure hope we never come up with an "I'm venting" or "I can't easily express myself" defense. You can sympathize to a degree, but still dislike the person. We're certainly going to see some development, I'd expect. Considering we went from strangers to an assaulter and victim relationship. |
| Damn bourgeoisie! Mei is not the kind of character I like, far from it, but oh well. This had a certain pull to it, i'll give it my time |
| lol Kirino (Yuzu) was assaulted twice in one episode, I’m also pretty sure that the teacher totally forced himself on her new stepsister (Mei).(this seems a great plot) usually I’m fast to drop yuri shows but I think I will follow this one for a little while longer, from started I new it was yuri but wanted to give it a chance PS I see a lot of sutille spoilers about what's to come and I would prefer to find by myself in the course of the anime, so please keep what you know to yourself or put a spoiler tag. thx |
LF2005Jan 10, 2018 5:18 AM
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| It's been years since a Yuri anime came out :) Yuri is Love, Yuri is Life. |
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| "The school rules exist to create well-behaved and sophisticated mindless drones pupils". This school is like The Faculty without aliens. It's quite good so far. Mei is as much as a bitch as in the manga. |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi  |
| art is close to the manga I've only read a few chapters of the manga. I wonder how it will develop? Probably predictable, but would be entertaining as well. |
| I dislike yuri but lets hope this one will have at least interesting story |
| Yes, yes, and yes, the kiss with the teacher, was a great surprise!!! |
FlareKnight said: Well I think you could fairly keep calling her a bitch even when more details are revealed. Becoming a bully or sexually assaulting people because you are going through a terrible time....is still wrong. I sure hope we never come up with an "I'm venting" or "I can't easily express myself" defense. You can sympathize to a degree, but still dislike the person. We're certainly going to see some development, I'd expect. Considering we went from strangers to an assaulter and victim relationship. Err, I guess I can't really see that kiss as a sexual assault, I know that it was 'forced', but is not like Yuzu couldn't do nothing, she accepted the kiss, the only thing that didn't made her completely act was that she was kinda 'shocked' like 'what is she doing?' not 'i'm being raped', still she could kick Mei if she wanted. Different from the teacher kiss that Mei clearly doesn't want but is forced to accept it because sadly I'm not talking about victim but that was a mere explanation, and is not like she did that for 'venting' but more like making Yuzu understand what was she talking about without even thinking how could Mei had feel. She could slap Yuzu, she could yell at her, but this wouldn't have the same impact on the story and Yuzu wouldn't had truly fell in love with Mei. And of course, the personality of Mei is really a common one to hate, personally I don't hate her or dislike her because I know what's going on with her and I also feel attracted by that kind of personality but yeah, she's not the sweetest cupcake in the batch. I'm sorry if my answer sounds like I contradict myself but it just confuses me how a kiss that was embraced and had reasons to happen is 'rape' or 'sexual assault', I do understand that Yuzu didn't asked for it directly, but she did wanted it and indirectly asked for it, she was the one being a bitch, talking about stuff she don't even understand and making Mei feel like she was some easy bitch looking for fun with the teacher. |
VeromayeJan 9, 2018 8:55 AM
| The kiss at the end was intense. I have read lots of the manga and never understood why she kiss Yuzu. I then came to the realization when watching this show, thanks to how intense this scene was in the anime. Yuzu's reluctance for the kiss was probably a parallel for how Mei felt when she was forced into a relationship with the teacher, cornered, reluctant, and afraid. Mei has problems with expressing herself openly, so Mei must also be shaken up by the living arrangements and having been seen kissing the teacher. I feel like Mei was trying to convey to Yuzu how unhappy she was with her forced relationship. Compounded with the fact Mei has never learned how to actually communicate socially because of isolation and how she was raised (as was told in the anime and seen in the manga), she acted instead of talked. I'm not trying to justify the kiss nor say that it was assault. I have seen people arguing about the morality of the kiss. I have seen people say the kiss was excessive, but looking back it actually does align with Mei's personality. |
Mamumba_Mobono said: Well, sure, it aligns with her personality, she has good reasons for acting the way she did, but that in way makes that NOT a sexual assault. It totally was. Like if I did that to a friend I'd be ostracized and possibly reported to the police. I really don't get how the f*ck is that sexual assault lol. I mean, if a friend did that to me and I didn't wanted the kiss I would just beat the shit out of him-her and ask him-her to explain why they did it. Why do I have to call the cops because someone who is close to me kissed me? then they really were not a 'friend' of mine. Because yes, if you know that person, step sister brother etc you don't need to go all 'i'm being raped' unless is REALLY somehow hurting you or hitting you or drugging you, but if they just barely hold you and you have the chance to step back then is not 'sexual assault' specially here that you can see Yuzu barely fought to be released and just let Mei kiss her, WHY and HOW is that 'rape' or 'sexual assault'? I'm not justifying anything, I'm not saying that sexual harassment or assault is okay and the person who did it has the right to do it, I'm saying that by my experience and point of views this is nothing close to an actual sexual harassment or assault. And I do speak with experience. I guess is just my real life experiences that really don't make me see this stupid scene as a sexual assault-harassment. |
| I don't understand all the raving comments. For me this episode was horrible, so much so that I'm dropping the series here and now. It made me feel very uncomfortable. I don't care to watch any more rape and badly written psychological horror. |
RobertBobert said: Hoppy said: That was some intense kissing at the end. Yuzu really should've done some research about the school beforehand, but it's hilarious to see her as the nail that sticks out. I can already see it going the route of melodrama. Well, if these are common romantic drama tropes, then I do not mind. I'm more afraid to see something of the times of Maria-sama, because I'm already tired of yuri of such a tone. I think it's hard for a show about hormone loaded teenage girls not to be melodramatic... |
ManlyTear said: RobertBobert said: Well, if these are common romantic drama tropes, then I do not mind. I'm more afraid to see something of the times of Maria-sama, because I'm already tired of yuri of such a tone. I think it's hard for a show about hormone loaded teenage girls not to be melodramatic... Lol, your words make sense. However, the LGBT anime generally tends to over-chew the ham, and apparently therefore, an anime like Nomer 9 or any anime with a female "romantic friendship" avoid such tags. |
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| What is the chance of a hentai sequel? |
Veromaye said: well I like both, Mei is just another Shiori (TWGOK) typeTrolls_Bane said: What is the chance of a hentai sequel? I think I would like a hentai ver but I think there are already many with that kind of plot line Err, I guess I can't really see that kiss as a sexual assault, I know that it was 'forced', but is not like Yuzu couldn't do nothing, she accepted the kiss, the only thing that didn't made her completely act was that she was kinda 'shocked' like 'what is she doing?' not 'i'm being raped', still she could kick Mei if she wanted. Different from the teacher kiss that Mei clearly doesn't want but is forced to accept it because sadly don't know where are you from (maybe India), but in the west that's a one way ticket to jail, Forced=Sexual assault, she forcefully pinned her down and kissed her. also we see here struggle but was totally overpower. nobody things she was raped she was obviously not, yet it still it was really borderline rape, she only needed a dick and it could be called a rape attempt. I'm not talking about victim but that was a mere explanation, and is not like she did that for 'venting' but more like making Yuzu understand what was she talking about without even thinking how could Mei had feel. She could slap Yuzu, she could yell at her, but this wouldn't have the same impact on the story and Yuzu wouldn't had truly fell in love with Mei. she clearly did it also for venting And of course, the personality of Mei is really a common one to hate, personally I don't hate her or dislike her because I know what's going on with her and I also feel attracted by that kind of personality but yeah, she's not the sweetest cupcake in the batch. Trolls_Bane said: I think I would like a hentai ver but I think there are already many with that kind of plot lineWhat is the chance of a hentai sequel? |
LF2005Jan 10, 2018 6:32 AM
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LF2005 said: don't know where are you from (maybe India), but in the west that's a one way ticket to jail, Forced=Sexual assault, she forcefully pinned her down and kissed her. also we see here struggle but was totally overpower. nobody things she was raped she was obviously not, yet it still it was really borderline rape, she only needed a dick and it could be called a rape attempt. No, I'm not from India, and I'm not from a country that considers sexual assaults good neither, but I know what is an sexual assault and this is not the case, I do sadly have experienced one and thus why I don't see this simple kiss as one, maybe you see it like that because she was holding Yuzu, but is not like Yuzu couldn't reject it immediately and thus why this is not 'sexual assault'. The scene was to be portrayed dramatically just to let the spectator know if she rejects that kiss or not, and she did not, and don't tell me something like 'She didn't had a choice' because if that was me I would destroy the lip of the other person and be mad enough to break their nose ( of course this if it wasn't a friend ) "overpower" She barely hold her... I think people are dramatizing the movement of the legs because is not really a common experience to get a unexpected kiss. I would understand if people called this a "forced kiss" but "SEXUAL ASSAULT" it's beyond the level.... Again, with this I'm not saying that Mei has a justification because giving someone a random kiss just to give them a lesson about kisses is stupid. But people have given me that kind of kisses and while I don't like it I understand where they come from. Oh and you don't need a dick to rape a girl or a boy, please don't talk about males like they're the only ones who can rape because they have a dick or something. That's extremely sad. |
Mamumba_Mobono said: I don't know if this is a good place for this conversation, but since it's already in full throttle I have to ask this, why do you think calling it sexual assault is so bad? Because it occurs to me it's a simple linguistic misunderstanding- you'd call sexual assault something very specific and what Mei did was not it while me and other posters would. If I be so bold and insensitive as to ask: what do you personally think constitutes sexual assault and why expanding the definition to include a forced kiss (because it WAS forced, Yuzu was for the most part to surprised to react, even if she could) strikes you as unwarranted? What would you call that kiss if not sexual assault? Like I mentioned before, I've had a terrible experience with what you guys keep saying 'sexual assault' and I know that sexual assault is WAY more than this 'forced kiss'. I don't really have a personal concept but the wiki says (spoilers tag for people who don't want to read this) And for me that's the concept of it. Thus a kiss even if forceful is not sexual assault, specially because you don't see Mei touching her anywhere and it just focused on just kissing her. I never said that it wasn't forced but IT COULD BE REJECTED, it was unexpected yes, but never forced like "I'm going to give you a kiss and you can't do anything to stop me" like the TEACHER kiss was because if she rejected it she could give a very bad impression of her family. That's why I think people are extremely overreacting a mere kiss just because Mei grabbed her, if the point of the kiss was to show a sexual assault, trust me it would be more than just lips touching. I understand that the use of her arms to grab her makes it look like it was bad, but Yuzu easily if she really wanted to stop the kiss she could do more than just barely moving her body. Which in my opinion was a way to shown surprise. Mei even had her body far from Yuzu's. Again, I'm not supporting this kind of acts, even if it was with no bad intentions people should not force a kiss to someone they like-love. This scene could be way better if she just grabbed her face or something, but it wouldn't have the same impact of showing physical movement of Yuzu slowly embracing the kiss. |
VeromayeJan 10, 2018 8:54 AM
Mamumba_Mobono said: How is kissing not touching? Touching is engaging physical contact, you don't have to use your hands to touch someone. Mei is quite literally touching Yuzu with her mouth. And Yuzu hasn't rejected the kiss simply because she was too surprised to react in any other way than to thrash her leg, it was just too quick. It by no means proves she actually wanted to be kissed, she most certainly didn't. Honestly now that I think about it Mei's actions are even more inexcusable, since she wasn't just acting out of mistaken belief that Yuzu likes her which is how these forced kisses usually happen- in a friendly misunderstanding. But what Mei wanted is to teach her a lesson by hurting her in a way that she was hurt which is just juvenile and cruel. What? Kissing is touching, but is not sexual interaction so is not sexual harassment. I copied you the definition but you still use an 'own' concept and that's not how it works. If it's like that then I should start calling the cops when my friends hold my hand or kiss me on the cheek every time they greet me just because that day I don't feel like being greeted like that? And again, I never said that the way Mei kissed her was NOT wrong, not even justifying it. I said it had the reasons and it was not rejected, because Mei kissed her not just once but TWO times and she could react if she really wanted to. And even if Yuzu didn't asked for it, is NOT SEXUAL HARASSMENT. I thought it was just me but I took the liberty to ask ADULTS even more OLDER than me, specially women and they told me that is NOT SEXUAL HARASSMENT, but a RUDE thing to do and if there is no explanation they would be angry at that person or in EXTREME cases use brute force to let that person know they don't want it. Thing that BTW Yuzu DIDN'T DO , because SHE LIKED IT. I'm going to assume you're just a troll, I don't care if people didn't liked this scene because it was forced or the kiss was wrong. But it gets on my nerves that people use the 'sexual harassment' or 'rape' in circumstances that are obviously not even close to it just because "they don't like it". Specially on this manga-anime that is one of the most soft Yuri and so far my only favorite, that is not just 'lets do the secs' every chapter and do have legit romance develop. |
| 10 mins in and I am done. That was awful. |
Lemon said: 10 mins in and I am done. That was awful. Word. I resisted for the entire episode and let me tell you, it gets worse. How can people enjoy something this awful? |
whatfireflies said: Lemon said: 10 mins in and I am done. That was awful. Word. I resisted for the entire episode and let me tell you, it gets worse. How can people enjoy something this awful? Finally, some more people with common sense. I LOVE yuri, and I think that's Mai on your avatar so I'd guess you do too. But that was so bad. I read some of the manga way back when, but it's somehow 10x worse seeing it (poorly) animated. I also remember wanted to stab corkscrew pigtails chick so it gets even worse past this episode. I don't get how people are saying it's good. It's not. It's on the same level as those trash josei porn series we're now getting every season. Literally, the exact same level, but a full series instead of 3 minute episodes. |
Great, so you associate yourself with people equally wrong as you are, so? I mean I can understand where you're coming from, if you live in an environment that likes to pretend kissing doesn't count as sex stuff that's great, but it's still wrong. Sure, I'm not going to deny that a kiss can be something that can be introduction in a sexual act. But then hugs or even holding hands can be a way to start sexual interaction, that doesn't mean that the purpose it's merely for that or it's the main purpose. Kisses can mean a lot of things and they can even just be a way to express pure feelings to someone else. You can say that I live in a "wrong" environment just because others don't enjoy seeing sexual harassment everywhere and calling the cops just because some girl-guy confessed to them. Or some close friend likes me and kissed me without my consent so then I instantly think he/she is a rapist somehow? Give me a break. There's cases of real sexual harassment and people lose their minds for a simple kiss that was just a freaking kiss. I just don't buy that. She seemed VERY distressed with the whole thing. She didn't seem to want or like that at all. She didn't explicitly say "I don't like this" but it's absolutely clear by her movement, expressions and later her inner monologue that she didn't like that one bit and she felt violated. "Violated" , do you even understand what does that means? Also i think you have a obsession with that. That's creepy. I liked it specifically BECAUSE it was sexual harassment. That is powerful stuff and a powerful story. The prospect of a shoujo ai anime telling this sort of story in a mature way is honestly fascinating! Ookay you have serious problems and I suggest you to seek professional help. Take care random shell account. |
VeromayeJan 10, 2018 5:37 PM
Mamumba_Mobono said: I have serious problems because I want a mature story about lesbian romance that features damaged people being hurt in their past and working through those traumas? Really? I mean I suppose there is something to that. I believe I enjoy the stories about suffering people because it's cathartic. Ancient Greeks figured it out- hearing a story about a hero's suffering and empathizing with that hero allows them to work through their own traumas. I like that it's about sexual harassment in part because this tells me this is a story about people being hurt and overcoming their pain. I want this to be about harassment because I want to be UPLIFTED by Yuzu growing into understanding romance as a slightly more mature person and more importantly Mei growing past her traumas. I don't know if wanting to be uplifted by a story is creepy but if it is then great, I guess I'm one creepy dude and a sick fuck. No, you have problems because you somehow think that ( in your mind that sees this a a sexual harassment and rape ) it's okay for someone to be raped and then start loving that person like nothing happened, like the other person did nothing wrong. I would totally understand you if you come from another perspective where you're not thinking that somehow you can overcome a trauma about raping and then fall in love with the rapist ( which is the scenario that YOU are creating here ) . If you didn't told me that you LIKED it because YOU think it's sexual harassment then I wouldn't be discussing with you or telling you you have serious problem. And for the duodecimal time, she never felt raped, she never thought she was raped, she doesn't even feel scared of Mei, she just feels confused because she DOESN'T KNOW how to embrace that she liked the kiss and SHE wanted the kiss. Oh and not because it's "normal" or "common" ( which is not, actually really uncommon ) to fall in love with a rapist, means this is what happening here. |
Mamumba_Mobono said: I see you're not addressing the actual problem here- Mei WANTED to hurt Yuzu. She wanted to show her what "kisses are like". she tells as much. To Mei, who we've just seen harassed by the teacher, which you agreed was much more of sexual harassment, kissing is a violent act that she doesn't enjoy and she wanted to do that Yuzu. Whether Yuzu felt or hasn't felt violated, Mei definitely WANTED to violate her. Even if it wasn't harassment to Yuzu, even if she really genuinely wanted that kiss, enjoyed and is just surprised at those feelings doesn't change the fact that what Mei wanted to do was to hurt her. If that attempt failed because Yuzu enjoyed it, all the better for Yuzu, but Mei was still incredibly cruel there. I suggest you to keep watching the anime or start reading the manga because you somehow have a weird and bizarre perspective of what's going on here. PS: They somehow got teary everytime they kiss, this just shows how melodramatic this anime-manga is. |
| Trash tier episode... The worst with Ito Junji collection. |
| this episode was ok. Not much really interested me but ill keep watching for more lewd yuri like scenes I guess. Hope it gets more entertaining though. |
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| I like how they made Mei's first appearance as student council president more important than in the manga. Yuzu was first scolded by other girls in the disciplinary committee and then Mei made her appearance which left a bigger impact. The character design is more detailed in the manga, but this is an anime and takes a lot more time to draw it frame by frame. Even though it has a tad simpler design it still looks really good and appealing. The settings look liveable and wide, they put effort in making them seem realistic. I appreciate that.They have a higher budget than they had for Netsuzou Trap. And the characters and story are better anyway. I liked the opening as well ^^ I'm really hopeful for this anime ! |
Mamumba_Mobono said: Veromaye said: I suggest you to keep watching the anime or start reading the manga because you somehow have a weird and bizarre perspective of what's going on here. PS: They somehow got teary everytime they kiss, this just shows how melodramatic this anime-manga is. I don't think this perspective is bizarre, this is what I'm getting from the characterization Mei got in the first episode which is admittedly very little characterization. I will be eager to admit that I was wrong about Mei when and if the anime rectifies it's presentation of her, but for now it's quite clear that this is how I'm, the viewer, supposed to view Mei. That's what the show presented to me. You have the benefit of hindsight. And in hindsight it very well may be that this presentation of Mei is not entirely accurate. That is a twist on the part of the show. But for now this is how Mei is presented and this is how Yuzu views Mei because so far we've seen the story exclusively from her perspective and I expect this to continue. I expect "the camera to keep following her shoulders" as it were. the weird perspective is yours, you arguing with facts: it was "forced"? yes, it was a sexual act? yes, so it was a sexual assault. do that to girl, and she goes to the police, and you will be charged with "rape attempt" especially if you don't have a good lawyer. and it is not like I hated the scene, only calling it what it was. |
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