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| This animation. My eyes hurts in some moments; these jumps between styles weren't my thing for sure. At least the fights were cool. Also I want some smooch, smooch Atalanta+Achilles. |
FrozenRaiderDec 10, 2017 2:18 PM
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| So most people here are praising the art and animation this episode, also that it used a lot of budget. That may be true, but for me it all looked like a complete mess. I don't even know, the Achilles vs Chiron fight looked a lot better in my opinion. |
| Since it's a trend to discuss about the animation now, let's do that. I hated it. I couldn't keep up with what was going on constantly, especially with all the explosions. It looks bad and unappealing. And here I hear everyone say it's top notch animation, but I'm not an animation expert and you can't expect some random casual anime watcher on the internet to be one. To me, the change in animation is just too drastic. And this is coming from a 'Fate fanboy' by the way. I see so many comments of people not understanding how people can think of this animation as bad, and for me it's the complete opposite. So that evens the balance now, nice. Nice episode though. Thumbs up from me. |
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Moekou said: Inugirlz said: For example yes we know Achilles gave his NP to Rider and that’s how Sieg won. But it’s absolutely ridiculous that the injured Rider was able to make it just in the nick of time to save Sieg from a situation where he so obviously should have perished. Speaking of which, there's more lore-related stuff regarding that I found from the wiki. Normally, it would be impossible for another unrelated servant to just borrow and use a Noble Phantasm's full ability like that. However, Achilles was known for giving away relics in his legend, while Astolfo is known for constantly receiving them in his legend (that's why he has so many different Noble Phantasms, he was constantly collecting magic relics along his adventures) These properties of the two heroes are what allowed Achilles to transfer his Noble Phantasm to Astolfo. You know that’s another thing that’s bothers me about the Fate series. There’s actually so many rules and status boosts/penalties related to the grail war and servant classes, yet we’re never told them. Like in Fate/Stay Night everyone keeps saying how the Saber class is the best and whatever but never precisely why. I had to look it up on the wikia and basically Saber is an all rounder while Casters basically have the short end of the stick because literally every other class has magic resistance. Like why wouldn’t this be explained in full! It’s such an interesting concept. Instead we get Shirou’s “I want to save everyone” BS and Saber bath scenes. In any case that explanation for Astofolo and Achilles would be what I call a legitimate excuse but I’m also calling BS on how convenient it’s used. You’re telling me Chiron knew that Astofolo had that talent when he asked Achilles for that favour? He never even specified that it had to be Astofolo, he just said to help someone on his team. And don’t get me started on the fact that these two servants were conveniently summoned in this grail war so that something like this could come to pass. Fate has an awesome concept but the delivery is shit. Maybe the LNs are really just so much better? EDIT: I mean VNs. Are there even LNs? |
InugirlzDec 10, 2017 4:52 PM
| Everyone's worried about animation, what about the rest of the episode? I was enjoying the fights till people interrupted them and then I lost interest. Karna was cool but of course Sieg won. Not sure why he's so worried about Ruler fighting caster but I can take a guess. Would love to see Semiramis fight or Mordred reappear again. Feel like they just keep her out every other episode now. Well unless something cool happens in the next 3 episodes o can probably expect a disappointing end to this. |
| So many boobs in fairy tail, it's crazy. |
Inugirlz said: You know that’s another thing that’s bothers me about the Fate series. There’s actually so many rules and status boosts/penalties related to the grail war and servant classes, yet we’re never told them. Like in Fate/Stay Night everyone keeps saying how the Saber class is the best and whatever but never precisely why. I had to look it up on the wikia and basically Saber is an all rounder while Casters basically have the short end of the stick because literally every other class has magic resistance. Like why wouldn’t this be explained in full! It’s such an interesting concept. Instead we get Shirou’s “I want to save everyone” BS and Saber bath scenes. You can blame the anime adaptations for this. All of this and more is told to your face, sometimes multiple times by multiple characters in multiple routes of the F/SN VN, so you're not left to your own devices to figure things out. The worst thing about the anime adaptations of Fate, yes all of them, is that they skip and cut without trying to work the cut info back into the narrative for the flow. It's like they expect you to either have read the source already, or that you're a casual watcher just here for the spectacle and rule of cool. The least offender of this is probably F/Z, as it was the most faithful to its source alongside Prisma Illya, and even then they still cut some pretty important scenes. If you want to know Fate's actual worth, read the F/SN visual novel. Not a single anime adaptation with "Fate" in its title ever came close to it in terms of narrative depth, coherence and quality. |
astroprogsDec 10, 2017 3:40 PM
| Hands down best animated episode/fight scenes this year!. seeing Bahi JD in credits makes me happy, he's good. |
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| I'l leave this here: https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/939516569834663937 This episode is going to look great on the BD version. And yes, i am a vivid Atalanta x Achilles fan. That scene fucked me up. |
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Inugirlz said: Fate has an awesome concept but the delivery is shit. Maybe the LNs are really just so much better? EDIT: I mean VNs. Are there even LNs? Fate/Apocrypha is a series of light novels so I have no idea how it's handled there. For the original Fate/Stay Night visual novel though, you had a menu and glossary like regular video games, where you could read many pages of info on each weapon, hero, and their various abilities, many of which are optional knowledge and viewed at your own leisure if you're interested in mythology, but not necessary for story comprehension. The visual novel overall has more text than the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy, so a lot of the non-critical information gets cut out in adaptations. Most Fate adaptations, even acclaimed ones like Fate/Zero, do not have time to explain some of the details of how certain conceptual abilities work, such as how |
MoekouDec 10, 2017 5:06 PM
kaaamos said: The average anime fan doesnt know anything about animation let alone history of anime. look at their profiles they barely watched much anime and if they do its all from the 2000s. Wow, I went here thinking people would be praising the animation. I was speechless the whole episode by the quality of the animation, so fluid, everything so dynamics going from one scene to the next, the weight of the strikes, the speed of the scenes... really breathtaking. And then people here saying the animation was bad..? Are they trolling or seriously dumb? I mean, is this the average anime fan's knowledge? How low can you people go? I am not suprised by the reaction here cuz ppl dont know what good animation is. |
| Lmao @ the different animation. Ironically, this episode had the best fights. They should have just done this from the start. A-1 Pictures was a horrible mistake to do this anime. |
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| Lol, the animation was way different and I didn't know what to think of it, but it did make Atalanta look much more scary and deformed in a monstrous demonic way, so it helped in that regard. Hell, for a second I thought they had possibly purely changed the animation style of this episode just for her, until reading these comments. |
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| No doubt the best episode of Fate Apo. Fights were epic and gave that Kill la Kill/Gurren Lagan type of vibe. I like it. |
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| I don't get how people say the animation was bad? This was by far the most animated episode in the show thus far, the constant cuts during the fight scenes are still a big problem. |
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Tekakurika said: Wow they were really on a low budget in this episode it was difficult to watch all that different art style and poor cgi I agree the animation was horrible. |
LawfulEngineer said: The animation was so different. Dont know why the switch but it looked terrible, like, really bad. Im not even going to bother posting still shots to prove it. Just pause the episode every now and then and its very obvious. What a let down for an episode thats very action packed. I hope they don't do this to the next two episodes Im not sure if you know what animation means. Youre NOT supposed to pause it. Its supposed to look fluid as a video, not as a still frame. Jesus christ... That said, my only dislike was when karna used his NP and everything started exploding with 2D flames. Couldve had a more epic/less cartoony feel imo |
| Stunning animation, the single best episode of this anime. Might redeem itself late on now |
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KiritoDeku said: I know this might not be the right place, but can someone give the me the correct order in what to watch the fate series? So far I only watched fate/zero and fate/stay night unlimied bladeworks Here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1658279 The first post by mira-pyon has your answer |
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KiritoDeku said: I know this might not be the right place, but can someone give the me the correct order in what to watch the fate series? So far I only watched fate/zero and fate/stay night unlimied bladeworks Optimally FSN VN->F/Z Otherwise F/SN UBW->F/SN HF->F/Z or F/Z->F/SN UBW->F/SN HF Kaleid Liner, Extra and Apocrypha can be watched whenever, but it's probably best to least read or watch some of F/SN first. Don't watch F/SN (2006) |
Tekakurika said: Wow they were really on a low budget in this episode it was difficult to watch all that different art style and poor cgi You obviously don't know enough about anime animation and low budget -smh- Morons like you would probably hate great animes like Ping Pong or Kill la Kill cause of the animation |
| "You can't spell slaughter without laughter". |
| Fights were decent by this show's standards, but that doesn't even remotely make them good: explosion-fests with lasers flying around and all sorts of other nonsense doesn't make it good, especially when it's generally immensely difficult to actually see what's going on; I'm sure a lot of effort went into the animation here, and it did look great (especially Karna vs Sieg), but it was so hard to follow that it was impossible for me to really enjoy (I much preferred Achilles vs Chiron last week, as that was both well-animated and clear and coherent; you could actually tell what was going on, and going blow to blow like that felt far more authentic than a bunch of lasers and explosions ever will). Also, I don't know much about Fate lore, but I can't help but feel that Karna losing in the manner he did is total bullshit, as he seems far too strong to be beaten by just anyone. Also, maybe I'm missing something, but why is Assassin so confident that Ruler meeting Shakespeare is going to end so badly for her? |
AtavisticDec 11, 2017 4:35 AM
Atavistic said: Also, I don't know much about Fate lore, but I can't help but feel that Karna losing in the manner he did is total bullshit, as he seems far too strong to be beaten by just anyone. To use Vasavi Shakti, his ultimate attack, Karna must sacrifice his armor and use it to release the final form of his spear. This not only consumes a lot of mana, but since his armor (that makes him almost invulnerable) is part of his body, he basically ripped his own skin off to pull out that attack. He was weakened for the energy consumption and basically naked without any armor to defend himself. Atavistic said: Also, maybe I'm missing something, but why is Assassin so confident that Ruler meeting Shakespeare is going to end so badly for her? It's part of their plan. Karna too said that Caster is a terrible match up for Ruler, it's kinda foreshadowing for the next episode, in which we'll see why Shakespeare is dangerous for her. |
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Atavistic said: I'm sure a lot of effort went into the animation here, and it did look great (especially Karna vs Sieg), but it was so hard to follow that it was impossible for me to really enjoy (I much preferred Achilles vs Chiron last week, as that was both well-animated and clear and coherent; you could actually tell what was going on, and going blow to blow like that felt far more authentic than a bunch of lasers and explosions ever will). Completely agree with you there, I feel like the Chiron Achilles fight was really awesome and deserves more praise, the figths this episode where cool yeah but like you said, a lot of lights and explosions (making it harder to follow the action) don't automatically make it good (eventhough I did enjoy them quite a bit too) |
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| A lot of people are praising this episode for great animation. It might be from a technical standpoint. But I just wish that with that many animators for this episode, they should at least tried to make the style consistent throughout the episode. It's like watching different shows strung together. |
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| Im sorry for all of those who say that the art was amazing, Naruto vs pand and mob psycho 100 absolutely amazing, however this one wasn't done in a good way, I love this style of animation but here it was done so poorly. The lightning effect was excessive and the attacks and their reactions wasn't organized. Sorry but they did it poorly. |
| The animation was good and I think it was perfectly fit for that kind of battle. I think it was just a little bit rushed. Too bad Karna lost, he is definitely my favourite character of this anime. I wonder what is Mordred doing. |
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| I can't believe I saw a Fate series. This was, simply, the worst episode animation I've ever seen in my life. Neither series from 1900's are so bad. I didn't understand what that was. Free-lancer work? There was no time to make a decent animation? Was it by style? Did Type-moon want it to be like this? I had been disagreeable since the beginning of the series, with some scenes poorly worked, but today, I was disgusted to watch, it was horrible for me as a fan. |
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Jalter said: I can't believe I saw a Fate series. This was, simply, the worst episode animation I've ever seen in my life. Neither series from 1900's are so bad. I didn't understand what that was. Free-lancer work? There was no time to make a decent animation? Was it by style? Did Type-moon want it to be like this? I had been disagreeable since the beginning of the series, with some scenes poorly worked, but today, I was disgusted to watch, it was horrible for me as a fan. That's because you don't understand what "animation" means. |
MarlyTT said: Jalter said: I can't believe I saw a Fate series. This was, simply, the worst episode animation I've ever seen in my life. Neither series from 1900's are so bad. I didn't understand what that was. Free-lancer work? There was no time to make a decent animation? Was it by style? Did Type-moon want it to be like this? I had been disagreeable since the beginning of the series, with some scenes poorly worked, but today, I was disgusted to watch, it was horrible for me as a fan. That's because you don't understand what "animation" means. This; animation should be judged as a whole, not by one frame. |
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