Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru Darou ka Gaiden: Sword Oratoria Episode 2 Discussion
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Stark700 said: I still don't find Lefiya appealing in this show though especially with her fangirl delusions. Same. I'm not sure anymore who's the MC here lol. That elf girl is getting too much screentime and she's not even cute. :< Anyway, it feels like I'm watching a recap episode here. I'm kinda close on dropping this show. |
| The episode was OK but the impression of Lefiya was not enough as well as Ais, the show is rather average now. |
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| I knew this wasn’t season 2 having said that... I dint mind this spin-off on the contrary I want it that way I want to know a lot more of Loki Famila (as in all of their members especially Ais not solely Lefiya and his shortcomings) I want to know where did she grew, how she became a LV.5, her struggles, etc. not one member hugging all the spotlight (Lefiya)... I know is to early but Hidan no Aria AA started the same way so I’m going to lower my speciation for the rest of the episodes... Stark700 said: This...I still don't find Lefiya appealing in this show though especially with her fangirl delusions. |
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| Although bitterly, I must admit it! Compared to the main story, this is a little shit. There are some cute and fun parts, but there are also slow and uninteresting moments. Even the graphics, has its highs and lows. I do not complain of the main protagonist who would be Lefiya, but of the whole set. They should tie the story to the main one, as they are doing now, but avoid wasting time, with no sense of meaning, but trying not to eliminate the slice of life and talking a bit more about Ais's character. At the same time, go ahead with the main story. |
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| Full fanservice episode ... I liked the opening episode specifically for the action and that's what i really didn't want to happen. Well there's always a need to kill the time, it's only 2 episodes mb it gets better (although it rarely happens =/). |
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| Rewatched the original series, after this tragic of an episode. The original is SO MUCH BETTER, holy sh*t... Can't even compare the two. |
| Lefiya is meh Tione and Tiona though |
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| Loki is so crazy, you'd think she was a man since she's flat and always goes for the boobs xD With the way things are going, I wonder if they'll show the Minotaur vs Bell fight as well. |
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| Well its only the first time that she went on a expedition so she shouldn't expect to do that well in it. After all all dungeon exploring is about learning how they work and how to work as a team and this takes time to get used to. Lefiya is just too hard on herself at times really. Lol what a surprise for Lefiya when she returns home. Poor Lefiya being subjected to Loki's antics lol Lol comparing Bust sizes eh man Tiona really has a complex eh Its nice that Lefiya is so determined to help Ains though. Lol embarrassing moment for Lefiya there Ah so Ain's real status is locked to conceal her true strength eh Hmm the status attributes don't rise up as much as i expect to see but that would explain why Ain's is so reckless and restless i guess. This is something that even the veterans have noticed as well since they been there before too When you put it that way Lefiya's personality is a nice contrast to Ain's personality so she should be able to make Ain's a better person at least. While Lefiya needs to trust in her comrades Ains needs to know that there are people that look up to her as an example as well. Saying this both can really help each other. Lefiya really admires and looks up to Ains eh Hmm well i guess selling an item for too low a price will not look good for the familia but at the same time too high a price means that the shop will also have to shell out more money as well. Lol well threatening to take the item somewhere else is a threat in itself lol. Can't believe that actually worked though. Hmm how to say to the blacksmiths that the reason i need a new weapon is because my old one got melted by acid during my reckless attack lol. To a blacksmith every piece of equipment that they forge is the result of days of hard work so their reactions to hearing what happened to her weapon was understandable. Hmm so Ain's weapon is an unbreakable sword eh. But not one thats immune to damage though. I guess for blacksmiths and large adventuring guilds like Loki's familia they will have a love hate relationship there. More work but at the same time more business lol. After that expedition a trip to the tavern is a great reward for the members of the familia. Bete and his big mouth though. I think the problem that Ains has is that she is still trying to find herself i guess. Lol thats what the sisters had in mind eh. Under shopping lol. Lol Lefiya's reaction is just hillarious. Lol Lefiya's reaction to Ains as she dresses in different outfits is hilarious. Last outfit there was Hesita's lol. Hmm her last outfit though is the best one. Really makes Ains look pretty there. Looks like Lefiya's attempt at cheering at Ains worked in the end. And Ains finally realized why she was doing this too. Watching Ains apologize to Lefiya though was nice though but this is what friends are for anyway so there's no reason for her to do that. |
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But fanservice is what you want. Fanservice isn't only ecchi/sexual. Fanservice is giving to fans what they want regardless of what harm it brings. Here you want a "non coward" protagonist, one you can imagine yourself to be, all-powerful and so on. One you can't be in real life. |
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
| After the excellent 1st episode a pretty crappy 2nd episode that almost begs me to drop that anime. I hate such episodes only focused on service 100%. And that yuri/boob crap ... |
| This episode was okay. We already know the original DanMachi is better. But it's not bad to watch the story from Ais's perspective. This way, we can learn about her and how she really feels about Bell. I think I said the same thing in the previous episode's discussion. Well, can't blame me. Nothing has changed. But I can think of some few things that distinguished this one: Hestia, Fanservice and a good OP :3 |
MattUzumaki said: Rewatched the original series, after this tragic of an episode. The original is SO MUCH BETTER, holy sh*t... Can't even compare the two. The main serie was already "meh"... |
Luthandorius said: After the excellent 1st episode a pretty crappy 2nd episode that almost begs me to drop that anime. I hate such episodes only focused on service 100%. And that yuri/boob crap ... Are you actually gay? |
| I like seeing the story from the pov of Loki's familia but we need to hear more from Aiz directly . No one cares about Lefiya. She makes for an awful MC. And please no more Loki boob grabs. I'm cool with fan service, but be creative and spread it around a little. |
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| Well you take away the boring male protagonist and suddenly the show becomes watchable andkinda comfortable. |
| This episode felt more slice of lifeish, which I wasn't really a fan of since it's not quite what I'm looking for from DanMachi. Leyfia isn't a very good protagonist so far either which definitely hurts the show. I was kind of hoping the show would focus on Aiz more, but maybe it does later on. |
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Tony_SansNom said: But fanservice is what you want. Fanservice isn't only ecchi/sexual. Fanservice is giving to fans what they want regardless of what harm it brings. Here you want a "non coward" protagonist, one you can imagine yourself to be, all-powerful and so on. One you can't be in real life. Ah, don't take it too seriously I was like 100% joking on that. Actually I'm quite enjoying the show :) Edit: make it 80% joking lol |
"Isn't Victini the cutest Pokemon of all time?"  |
| ...Was...was this how the first season was? If it was, than this is definitely why I dropped it. I'm okay with a couple of boob jokes every now and then, more so if the story is good, but if the characters are meh (ain't really feelin Lefiya and Aiz is... well shes Aiz, theres like nothing there), and the story is meh (whatever that story is, this has been more just introductions I think, nothing has happened really), and anime itself is just a bunch of fan-service for the sake of fan-service, I start to lose interest quickly. I can't see myself sticking around for something like this, in fact, I was honestly quite disappointed with this. |
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| Oh my this episode was a literal waste of time, lefiya is the worst main character they could get, there's no plot and while I usually like fanservice there's TOO MUCH, and it's so damn repetitive, the only one done decently was ais with hestia's outfit, besides that it was boring as hell and I hope 3rd episode onwards the pacing is going to get better |
| So the setting of this show is from a closer point of view to Ais, since we have seen Bell running away from the brewery. Ais on the outfit of Hestia is not bad at all! 4/5. |
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| The episode is better than the first one, yet still kind of boring. I hope they develop well Aiz and the other members of the guild. If this anime finishes being terrible as it is atm, I'm afraid we got some bad news and a 2nd season for DanMachi may never come. |
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| Is this any better than the Male Protagonist's POV? I really didn't like his character and how he was becoming more and more powerful by the episode with no reason at all, aside of course from his secret ability that even he doesn't know about. |
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| More Bell, less Lefiya... More Hestia, less Loki More DanMachi, less Sword of whatever this is! |
Unknown7699 said: SteelingMax said: Is this any better than the Male Protagonist's POV? I really didn't like his character and how he was becoming more and more powerful by the episode with no reason at all, aside of course from his secret ability that even he doesn't know about. Hermes tell the reason why he became more powerful at the last episode. Last episode of the first series, or in this new series? |
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| Lefiya is pretty annoying. Having her as the perspective character isn't helping. |
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| So now the one who is changing Aiz is the elf and not Bell? So that is how they are gonna play it, what a load of crap... If this anime flops and we don't get a second season of Danmachi cause of it, I'll go mad. |
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| I'm quite a bit upset with that the production team is doing here. In the novel and even in the manga adaption, a lot of Ais's personality and thoughts are learned through her inner monologues. She's not someone who is expressive on the outside but rather inside and you will learn that she's quite the emotional person. Take for example the pub scene. Here is the manga version that does it faithfully with the light novel. She does not merely sit there while Bete blabbers on an on. She's actually thinking a lot of what he said and how she really feels about it and why she feels the way she does! http://imgur.com/a/2mB4M Seriously, what the heck is J.C. Staff thinking of removing all these? |
| Woow this chapter was really bad! Lefiya is pretty annoying she just doesn't fit as an MC. I read in another thread that this show is supposed to be darker than the 1st season and have a new story to offer so I will keep watching it hoping that those words are true. |
| Elf girl is fucking useless. She is the poster child of self-insert characters with absolutely zero redeeming qualities. She never contributes anything to the plot or character development, and the only thing she ever does is fangirl over Ais. Why the fuck did they decide to tell the story through her point of view? This show is only watchable when she's not around, and when there isn't mind-numbing kiddie fanservice being shoved in our faces. At least Bell was bearable to watch, however irrational you think his behavior is. The first episode of the original series already establishes his motivation and shows that he will spend a lot of time training and learning how to become a better fighter. You guys complain about him getting so strong so quickly while ignoring the fact that he tortures himself in the dungeon all day grinding all that XP and trying out new combat techniques. Meanwhile, elf girl is content with following her teammates around all day, hesitating in fear when she's in the slightest of danger despite her teammates giving her full support until Ais comes saves her ass. I can see now why Bete is an angry fuck. Having to carry some fucking scrub through a high level dungeon just because someone she knows invited her to the group would piss me off as well. |
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| I miss Hestia so much. She had such a strong personality and now I have to watch Lefiya spoil Ais. I don't deserve this hahahhha But seriously, I thought this spinoff was about Ais and not about one of the members of Ais' familia. The episode was so boring. Nothing interesting happened. |
| Not sure if it is a good episode or not. So many things were skipped from the Light Novel. And all those could have made it more interesting.. For example, the item that Tione (or Tiona?) negotiated in one of the shops.. |
| As many have said the problem here is a poor group of characters to follow. |
| So it looks like this anime is NOT a prequel or sequel to DanMachi but instead the same timeline told from the Loki Familia (specifically Aiz's perspective)! Not sure how I feel about that...but I enjoyed this episode! Aiz was one of my favorites characters from the original DanMachi anime and I hope they use this go around to explain more about her and her past as well as the plot of the "villains" that was teased but never really followed through on in the original anime. I'm looking forward to seeing what they are going to do with all of that and I hope they add some twist and turns to keep us fans on our toes so we don't end up feeling like we are just rewatching DanMachi |
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Enternal said: I'm quite a bit upset with that the production team is doing here. In the novel and even in the manga adaption, a lot of Ais's personality and thoughts are learned through her inner monologues. She's not someone who is expressive on the outside but rather inside and you will learn that she's quite the emotional person. Take for example the pub scene. Here is the manga version that does it faithfully with the light novel. She does not merely sit there while Bete blabbers on an on. She's actually thinking a lot of what he said and how she really feels about it and why she feels the way she does! http://imgur.com/a/2mB4M They left out all that!? This adaption is doom... The more interesting part was simply ignored. |
| Nothing impressive so far imo, also less lefiya please... |
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| Im really curious more on Aiz POV rather than Lefiya story. hoping they announce DanMachi 2nd season after this series is finished and can't wait for the episode where . I want to see what Aiz have in her mind on Bell's Intense improvement |
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| This episode was so much facepalm. Not even the 2nd one and already bath scene and 4-5 gropes. I'm fine if a third rate ecchi anime does that; but I expected this to be a somewhat decent fantasy anime...Also I hope Lefiya is just a temp MC, otherwise rename it Whimp Staff Oratoria |
| The first episode was really interesting, of course the tons of action helped a lot, even if it was a bit too much. Now this episode focuses on Ais and Lefiya, there's a ton of fan service... And it feels much more lighthearted than episode 1. The groping was a bit too much though. The chemistry among the girls is nice, but it's hard to care for Ais and Lefiya when their personalities don't really seem suitable for MC. Actually Tione and Tiona seem more fitting, at least they feel like real people, despite being a bit stereotyped. Now that I think about it, I'd totally watch a season of Tiona and Tione. I remember from S1 that Ais seemed kind of mysterious, like appearing just in the right moments and for the right amount of time. Now we are getting many scenes with her just staring into the void, not saying a thing, expressionless. I really don't want to buy into the whole "she's been level 5 for a while and she just can't take it" explanation nor the situation with Bell... It just seems too poor an explanation (or they need fillers?). Now I didn't quite get the meaning behind her scene with Loki, so I can give her the benefit of the doubt, but they're risking ruining one of their more interesting characters with all the blank stare scenes. This may seem weird but, people who have not read the original material (like myself) may need words to understand better a character's thoughts when a blank stare does not convey enough, and getting the original shouldn't be a requirement either, it should be a nice bonus. Then there's Lefiya... who is receiving way too much screentime in my opinion, I mean, after 5 min I get it, I get her notice-me-senpai-totally-not-yuri infatuation/obsession/admiration thing, more scenes of the same kind won't make her more interesting. More fangirl delusions won't help either. It would've been more interesting to show her training (even a crude montage without dialogue!!) and stuff in the second half of the episode to, you know, become actually useful in their next quest. I did like that they are matching the events in S1, like the bar scene. Tione selling that unicorn horn reminded me a bit of Leorio buying cell phones. 2,5/5 PLS more Tiona and Tione |
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