ya_hallo said: It had a good premise (since it's was pretty much AoT) and started off great, just that it started go bad about half-way in; Pretty much the crux of the reason there. The show had a lot of hype, and the early eps seemed to be set to deliver on it, but about halfway through it just fell all to hell. So you've got a ton of people excited for it, show them a glimmer of hope and then dash it, then people get upset. The last episode in particular was pretty much horseshit from start to finish. |
| the last few episodes were just one big mess + the villain wasn't so good and those zombies fusing together? O.o |
| I hated it because Mumei, she has to be one of the worst characters I have seen along with Biba and his unclear motivations lol. |
| I actually liked it. Nice animation and story and the op/ed is really good. But I understand why people can hate it. It's really similar to AoT. |
ChocoowlJul 26, 2016 6:21 AM
| cause it's bad It was bad from the start It was obvious that at a certain point it was going to get worse. People dont like bad things. |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
| I'm not sure what peoples expectations were going in considering it's a Tetsuro Araki show, director of Highschool of the Dead, Guilty Crown and Attack on Titan. The guy is good at putting out some highly entertaining schlock, and that's pretty much what Kabaneri is. It's far from outstanding but I'm uncertain about why it's so loathed considering the directors track record, it's not really a step down from any of his previous works asides Death Note. |
| MC become Eren Jeager. Biba is a terrible villain and the series would've better off with just mindless fighting against zombies. |
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| Because many people feel its an aot clone. And/or its delaying aot season two. |
| A lot of people seem to be comparing it Aot. Just because it's made by the same studio. I will I admit, I do like Mumei, though. |
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| Because nearly EVERYONE is misunderstanding Biba... Anyone who is confused about him should check out these posts: http://innerchorus.tumblr.com/post/146658296434/biba-fear-other-emotions http://innerchorus.tumblr.com/post/147493098739/biba-and-ikoma-in-episode-12-you-are-not-afraid |
Noraf46 said: The thing is it delved more into themes for the second half, and the last episode was more symbol and theme based. So people not thinking while watching missed the point. If you don't think the final confrontation with Biba made sense, I recommend you check out my post about that because it does make sense.The show had a lot of hype, and the early eps seemed to be set to deliver on it, but about halfway through it just fell all to hell. So you've got a ton of people excited for it, show them a glimmer of hope and then dash it, then people get upset. The last episode in particular was pretty much horseshit from start to finish. |
eplipswich said: No it wasn't! It's not a crystal he has, it's a completely regular river stone with no special power of any kind! That was explained in episode 3. The virus didn't fully reach his brain because of the choking, and that's okay, because the virus is completely made up. It can work however the creators want.Swordarc said: To be fair, it was explained in a later episode that the virus was cured not because of the choking, but because of the crystal that he was wearing if I remember correctly.Kabaneri is full of nonsense.You can see one already in the ending of first episode,where the protagonist chok his neck and then the virus is cured.What kind of logic is that???If it's that easy to cure the virus,everyone just chok their necks and there will be no virus at all. |
OmegaOtaku said: People can hate Biba and call him generic and say he brought the show down, but he WAS NOT tacked on and they did have a reason for including him. Kabane were actually more of a backdrop for an anime focused on the themes of fear/survival of the fittest, and Biba made it possible to further explore those themes in the second half. From the director's interviews I gather they were trying to have messages in this that wouldn't have been possible if Kabane were the only enemy.The reason why Kabaneri disappointed so many people can be summed up in one single word: BIBA! As soon as he was introduced, the show went downhill pretty fast. They could have just left the entire premise as surviving a Kabane apocalypse, but for some reason they felt like including a very generic and obvious antagonist for no good reason. As well as an ending that felt so uninspired and tacked on. |
| I have not read all the replies so I might be reiterating other people's points. There's hate on Kabaneri because the show starts off very strong, kinda like a better version of Shingeki no Kyojin. Beautiful visuals, cool characters, great setting (steampunk!)... And then the quality drops and the plot goes to shit. Some people may also be put off by the fact that this is basically a botched clone of SnK, from the same studio, with the same crew working on it. Many people (including myself) do not rate shows until they finish watching them and others most likely lowered their scores significantly after completing the anime. |
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| The show definitely had its weaknesses, especially when the Biba arc started. So I can understand how the ratings dropped a bit. The pacing got way out of control on the second half and Biba was a villain that, for me personally, I couldn't even love to hate. I just hated him. With every fiber of my being. It also didn't do a good job of letting us get to know the side characters even half as well as we got to know Ikoma, Mumei, Biba and perhaps Ayame and Kurusu to a degree. Personally, I really loved this show though. I plan to watch through it again actually. I think it will be nice to just marathon it instead of waiting a week for each episode. My partner and I watched it together, and always wanted more despite how the plot started to fall apart, and since it ended we have found ourselves missing it. Kind of became a ritual to watch it every Thursday, lol. But despite all of its weaknesses, the animation was absolutely breathtaking and the soundtrack - as expected from Sawano - was simply eargasmic. And I really loved watching the relationship between Ikoma and Mumei grow and develop. I fell in love with the sibling dynamic that they formed, and by the end of it all I cared about was cheering Ikoma on to save Mumei. I cried tears of joy when he injected her with the white blood. On the flipside, I'm still angry that the only person who died on the protag side of the aisle was Takumi, who was the most precious cinnamon roll in the entire show. All in all I think I gave it a 7 or 8 out of 10. I probably should have given it a 10/10 though just because Yukina exists. |
Phoebe3315 said: Because nearly EVERYONE is misunderstanding Biba... Anyone who is confused about him should check out these posts: http://innerchorus.tumblr.com/post/146658296434/biba-fear-other-emotions http://innerchorus.tumblr.com/post/147493098739/biba-and-ikoma-in-episode-12-you-are-not-afraid Oh, wow! I'm very glad you posted these! I haven't given myself much time to ponder on Biba's motives. Admittedly I was too blinded by my distaste for his actions during the series to get super analytical about him. But this shows that he actually is a pretty deep character. Thank you, those posts were refreshing to read. I'll have to remember them as I rewatch the series. I think I can come out appreciating Biba a lot more than I did in my original run. |
ackryeagrs said: You're welcome! :D Have fun rewatching. I've found this series particularly fun to rewatch because of the AMV-like quality of scenes (seriously, whoever synced the music up with the animation did a stellar job) and the many little details which are hard to catch initially. Random fun fact - if you've ever wondered about that circular symbol which appears in the opening and Ikoma's workshop, it means "Rokkon Shojo" (which roughly translates to "purification of the six senses" and has to do with ridding your heart of unhealthy emotions like fear, depression, and desire).Phoebe3315 said: Oh, wow! I'm very glad you posted these! I haven't given myself much time to ponder on Biba's motives. Admittedly I was too blinded by my distaste for his actions during the series to get super analytical about him. But this shows that he actually is a pretty deep character. Because nearly EVERYONE is misunderstanding Biba... Anyone who is confused about him should check out these posts: http://innerchorus.tumblr.com/post/146658296434/biba-fear-other-emotions http://innerchorus.tumblr.com/post/147493098739/biba-and-ikoma-in-episode-12-you-are-not-afraid Thank you, those posts were refreshing to read. I'll have to remember them as I rewatch the series. I think I can come out appreciating Biba a lot more than I did in my original run. |
| this anime was deff a top 3 anime of the season ti was released, but anything very popular will get more hate. |
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| Turned from an enjoyable survival anime into a dude with daddy issues wanting revenge. |
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| I dropped it half-way coz of irrational characters and their responses to every stimuli, law-defying plot elements, dialogues that their speaker themselves never meant or follow , etc. and the biggest was in ep 4, the mob characters keep switching between 'like and loathe' kabaneri at the drop of a hat. |
| Characters were boring and had no identity outside of their base traits. Muscle-chan, Hime-chan, English-kun, Fat-kun, etc. Only one episode out of 12 tried to humanize any of them at all, which was undermined by the second part of the show. None of the character decisions made any sense. The drama portion was super abrupt and left no impact because it tried to build it before we knew the character for more than one episode, and the entire endgame of Biba's plan required a tremendous amount of plot convenience. Mumei's decisions regarding Biba made absolutely no sense after she continued to follow him despite being tricked into causing a mass genocide, and she got degraded into a damsel in distress by the end of it. I didn't hate anything about this, but almost everything was just so subpar. The only good things about this was the animation. Also I liked Kurusu, he was pretty cool. I would have preferred if they just kept it like they did in the first 4 episodes; no drama, badass zombie fight scenes while riding this huge metal train. That would have been pretty cool for 12 episodes. |
EternalSerenityJul 29, 2016 11:31 PM
| Uh....oh lord do I have to? I should save this for when I do my written review. So let me give you my shrot version. -AOT with steampunk and zombies -Uses three of the worst zombie tropes(running zombie, everyone is stupid, and different levels of zombies). -The is story is all over the place and does a bad job at explaining everything. -Tries way too hard to be serious and edgy. -It is too similar to AOT. -Forgettable characters outside of Mumei |
| I got a Masters degree. I don't have to worry bout school anymore. |
Best loli trio in 2016 . We are lucky to have them at same time :) |
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| It went downwards after Biba showed up xD The last 4 episodes were pretty average. Ending wasnt the best lol |
| not really hate, I gave 5/10 and according to mal score 5 is avg. for me the main problem, this anime is blatantly copy SNK and I feel like they (staff) were doing it proudly. second, after Biba appeared the story became cliched AF. |
| It was a train wreck, that's why. |
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| salty AoT fans is why all the hate yes it could have been better but its not as bad as the reviews make it out to be iv seen worse |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
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| Je trempe mes cookies dans tes larmes. |
| Like pretty much anyone else I think that the addition of Biba wasn't a great idea, to say the least. But still, yeah it gets a TON more of hate than it should... >Great animation (most of the time) >Outstanding music >Badass action scenes >Unique setting >Great direction So yeah, I don't know if the score is beacuse of salty AoT haters, or trolls, or plain haters, but imho it doesn't reflect in one bit the quality of that show. What to say? A lot of people just really lovehating on stuff... |
| Je trempe mes cookies dans tes larmes. |
| It was intense at the first half, hardcore survival and conflict against steampunk zombies. But they made humans the real enemy (Damn it, Biba), which is already a common thing in anime. The addition of weird kabane powers like that One-time Tailed Beast blast out of nowhere because of some modified blood isn't doing much justice for the setting. Mumei became annoying at the latter half, too. They didn't say "Rokkon Shojo" anymore after that either. I liked the series, though. Even with its flaws, it's still quite decent anyway. |
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| Because it's popular, mate :D |
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| Because kids on MAL is retarded as f***? That's what I think atm. Just enjoy the anime and keep your opinion to yourself. |
Kajo_Senpai69 said: It was intense at the first half, hardcore survival and conflict against steampunk zombies. But they made humans the real enemy (Damn it, Biba), which is already a common thing in anime. The addition of weird kabane powers like that One-time Tailed Beast blast out of nowhere because of some modified blood isn't doing much justice for the setting. Mumei became annoying at the latter half, too. They didn't say "Rokkon Shojo" anymore after that either. I liked the series, though. Even with its flaws, it's still quite decent anyway. Agreed. Mumei became damsel-in-distress in second half. Hopefully in second season she kick ass again. |
| Everyone just hates Justin Biba. + There's gonna be a Season 2 and will most likely shit over the first season's mishaps. + I just want a Zombie show that actually cures everyone of the disease. I have yet to find one that pulls it off. So I hope Season 2 doesn't skim over the tech/research that goes into the Kabane and Kabaneri. |
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| I agree The anime was great , at least better than Re : Zero Kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu! |
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RVDA said: Who's that girl on the right? She's Kyouka from Bungou Stray Dogs |
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| Too bad Attack on Titan won't get 3 season, I would love to see even bigger meltdown than in Kabaneri. |
| 3 setps to become Masochist: 1. Read source material 2. Watch anime adaptation 3. Suffer Bonus Step: Tell everyone that anime is crap becouse Manga/Novel is better (duh..) How to find the worst trash anime ever, so bad that people should be ashamed for even knowing this trash exist: 1. Check your favorite anime 2. Enjoy your shit taste pleb Works everytime for everyone. |
| attack on titan fans, kabaneri basically killed it by pushing the release date back by a year. |
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| I laughed at my friend when he recommended me this. I expected this to suck. But I found it surprisingly enjoyable. Watching the 9th episode now and still don't get why this is hated this much. (if it was 6-7 reviews , okay I get that but all the top reviews are 2-3 , WTF??) |
| "In this world, wherever there is light – there are also shadows. As long as the concept of winners exists, there must also be losers. The selfish desire of wanting to maintain peace causes wars, and hatred is born to protect love." -Madara Uchiha  |
AnjuRatty said: I laughed at my friend when he recommended me this. I expected this to suck. But I found it surprisingly enjoyable. Watching the 9th episode now and still don't get why this is hated this much. (if it was 6-7 reviews , okay I get that but all the top reviews are 2-3 , WTF??) Bitter, uglyass Attack on Titan fans hate on it because 'UWU AOT C R E A T E D THE SURVIVAL GENRE!1! THIS ANIME O W E S IT'S ASS TO US! WHO CARES IF THE CREW WHO ANIMATED AOT MADE THIS FROM SCRATCH AND IT WAS THEIR BABY AND THE OST WAS SICK AND THEY HAD A LEGEND DRAW THE CONCEPT ART FOR IT. IT SUX!' Or, They compare it to AOT, are overly harsh with the ending, even though it's pretty obvious setup for a guaranteed second season, and say that it was bullshit [i've seen WAY more bullshit endings, for sure.] I feed on their hate though, it makes me love KNK even more because I keep having to defend it from retarded hate like a 3/10. A 6 or 5/10? I can understand that, but it's honestly just embarrassing. Zombies and MOVING trains are not GIANTS and HUGE ASS WALLS THAT LEGIT DON'T GO PLACES. |
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