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Jun 12, 2016 7:29 AM
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Best dragonball super episode so far :)
Jun 12, 2016 7:37 AM
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The OP card where they show a green looking Kai seems to imply he or she will play a major role in the arc. I think those 5 shown will be the main focus of the arc, being Future Mai, Black Goku, Goku, Green Kai, and Future Trunks. However, they just killed off Future Mai, so why would they show her in the OP card.

This is the one I meant.


Where do I start.
I gotta admit, this episode was the darkest thus far if not even more dark than the HOT episode. Those androids from that HOT episode don't even come close to the destruction that Black Goku is causing. Literally the entire city got destroyed.

I feel bad for Trunks. His life might be one of the most tragic of any character out there. He loses his mother and sees her get killed brutally, along with Mai. And with the Dragon Balls no longer working, they are pretty much gone. His only way for bringing back his mother and Mai is to go to New Namek but he doesn't know where it is.

So even if Trunk's suppresses his ki to a very minimum, Black Goku can still sense him. I'm gonna say he's probably stronger than Hit and perhaps 85% of Beerus power if not maybe a bit stronger.

Moving on to the present, nice to see Goku bringing up his training with Master Roshi. Seeing Picollo and Goku pick the harvest was funny. Then Krillin appears and Goku's long gone afterward.

Whis and friends eating Ramen was the most enjoyable scene ever. Here you have Whis, Beerus, Goku and Vegeta casually sitting down and eating a nice bowl of ramen. You know you're chill with your homie when you can have a nice lunch together with peace a quiet.

Preview for next episode.
Trunk's reaction to seeing Future Trunks. This I gotta see. I'm hoping to see Vegeta show a bit of compassion to Future Trunks once he recovers and tells his story. Like have Vegeta show his Father side to Future Trunks. That would be so cool to see. Vegeta and Future Trunk's bonding.

Jun 12, 2016 7:48 AM

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I feel bad for trunks lmao he has to go through this all over again. lol but technically speaking hold is Mai now lmao? I mean she's been revived and time reversed
Jun 12, 2016 8:14 AM

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Was wondering what Black look like and damn it's a Goku look alike.
Now that Goku and Vegeta can go super blue, it should be fun.
Wonder what happen to the future Goku and co...die of virus again?
Jun 12, 2016 8:50 AM

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Episode wasn't bad, i liked it , wish there was more Black Goku and Future Trunks scenes. I just feel we will be let down with Black Goku. He will not be this Goku gone evil, but some weird space creature that just imitates the look of Goku or reanimated the corpse of him to be evil. Just something corny like that.
Jun 12, 2016 9:15 AM

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That was a pretty awesome introduction of the new arc. Just a shame they killed off Mai right off the bat; would've liked to see a bit more of her.
Jun 12, 2016 9:22 AM
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It was a great start.

Black Goku is so badass!
Jun 12, 2016 9:26 AM

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Animayham said:
but some weird space creature that just imitates the look of Goku or reanimated the corpse of him to be evil. Just something corny like that.
Have you ever watched this?
Jun 12, 2016 9:33 AM

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Being Future Trunks is suffering.

Mai made it in the intro, ascended to waifu material, got to go against Black, and was killed in the first episode.

And before that, Future Bulma was vaporized in front of Trunks, and all he could do was run away.

To protect the "future" he's gotta abandon his "present".

...

Man, Future Trunks' life sucks
MEMOzJun 12, 2016 9:37 AM
Jun 12, 2016 9:43 AM
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Holy Molly, Black Goku so Badass!! So does he hate saiyans or something?
DanteHawkeJun 12, 2016 9:48 AM
Jun 12, 2016 9:51 AM

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I got a feeling that its future Goten since his look is almost identical to Goku when he was younger so this is a good enough reason for him to look like his dad after 17 years.

Not to mention that this "black Goku" is slenderer than the current buff goku.
Jun 12, 2016 9:58 AM

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The universe is very different and more expanded now with the multiverse than it was in the Cell saga.. All i'm wondering is, where are the gods like Beerus. Champa & the ones from Boo saga`? Where are the galactic police(Jako and such), Everyone in the entire universe can't have just abandoned earth like this.. Or atleast i hope not.

also hope that Mai will be back.. i mean she's in the opening.. they shoulden't kill her off in the first episode xD
Jun 12, 2016 10:03 AM

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RinFTW said:
I got a feeling that its future Goten since his look is almost identical to Goku when he was younger so this is a good enough reason for him to look like his dad after 17 years.

Not to mention that this "black Goku" is slenderer than the current buff goku.


I'm not sure about that, remember at the end of Z when Goten and Trunks were teenagers Goten's hair changed and it didnt look like Goku's anymore

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Jun 12, 2016 10:09 AM

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daman246 said:
why does he have blue hair instead of purple like the kid trunks? when did adult Trunks hair change to blue?

Trunks hairs were purple because Bulma's hairs are mostly purple in the manga. They changed it in Super probably to fit with animated Bulma's hair colour (and to differentiate both Trunks?).
Jun 12, 2016 10:12 AM

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Vegito?!?!?!?!?!?
Jun 12, 2016 10:18 AM

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poor future trunks can't catch a break can he! good thing his family is rich, gotta pay for all the therapy he'll need! oh and Black Goku has an earring does if mean he became a kai or kailike?
Jun 12, 2016 10:19 AM

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Future!Trunks literally lost everything... everyone... There's no future for him in his world. Man, this episode was the darkest this series has been in awhile. R.I.P. Bulma & Mai.

EDIT: WAIT, IF TRUNKS BRINGS BACK MAI'S BODY TO THE OTHER TIMELINE, THEY COULD USE THE DRAGON BALLS TO WISH HER BACK. But I didn't see anything like that happening in the preview so probably not.



Also, if Future!Trunks gets his own page, then "Trunksette" should too.

JotakakJun 12, 2016 11:23 AM
Jun 12, 2016 10:24 AM

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Fantastic fucking episode. This was the most hyped episode of Super since Goku Vs. Hit. Like the hype levels are so god damn high I don't even know what to say. The atmosphere and tonal shift with Future Trunks' world was so well done, reminded me of the days of the Android saga. Black seems like a really cool villain, can't wait to learn about him. Poor Future Trunks though...so much suffering.
Jun 12, 2016 10:37 AM

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OMG!!! What was that??? He looks like Goku!!!
It`s gonna be an amazing arc!!
Sad that Mai died in 1 episode T_T. I wanted to see her longer with Trunks!

Jun 12, 2016 10:45 AM

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I marathoned the whole thing from episode 4 up to this point.

Great episode. I'm so hyped for the next one ><




Jun 12, 2016 11:07 AM

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She is in the opening, so hopefully she'll be back
Jun 12, 2016 12:06 PM
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So how come no one ever nominates Vegeta for worse father of the year? Goku has at least been shown a few times doing honest work and spending time with his family not based on a promise like with the whole Vegeta taking Trunks to the park thing for hitting him. All Vegeta does is train, he is a worse father than Goku.
Jun 12, 2016 12:15 PM

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Great episode. I can't wait until next week.
That being said, I'll be really sad if Mai is actually dead. :(

EDIT: Nevemind. I just read that Eiko Yamada, Mai's voice actor, announced on Twitter that she will be a part of DBS every week starting with episode 47. Also that Mai plays an important role in the Future Trunks arc. I mean, like everyone else said, they bothered to include her in the intro and all so I don't think they would just kill her off on the first episode.
CyamoneJun 12, 2016 12:26 PM
Jun 12, 2016 12:54 PM

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Does anyone think Future Mai is okay and came with him, because I think so and this shot convinces me.

Jun 12, 2016 1:09 PM
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Darius said:



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Its as if super man snapped some one neck and then smiled.
Are they going the "black" nie path that was used in hunter x hunter? Or maybe being so obsessive with power and becoming strong has pushed him over to madness? If you realy sit down and look at Goku he is kind of villain like in his quest for more power all be it though training and not the fast path.
Jun 12, 2016 1:48 PM

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terminador_2397 said:
RinFTW said:
I got a feeling that its future Goten since his look is almost identical to Goku when he was younger so this is a good enough reason for him to look like his dad after 17 years.

Not to mention that this "black Goku" is slenderer than the current buff goku.


I'm not sure about that, remember at the end of Z when Goten and Trunks were teenagers Goten's hair changed and it didnt look like Goku's anymore


True, it can't be Goten. Fact is, that's not the real Future Goku either, even if they look alike. Why? Everything remained the same in the future even after Future Trunks travelled to the past to alter history in DBZ. Goku was still dead in his timeline because of a hearth virus and the rest of the Z Team were killed by the androids. ...ofc until Toriyama forgot all about it >_>

I'm really curious about Black wearing a Potara Earring. According to DBZ story the Supreme Kais wore them. Either he killed one and stole it or maybe Black's a Supreme Kai himself from another universe? And there is that green version of East Supreme Kai. I'm getting slowly mindfucked by this series x_ X

Jun 12, 2016 1:57 PM
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I gotta admit, I didn't quite know what to think of this arc going in. But thankfully I was very entertained and I love what I saw! At first I thought Black Goku was going to be Bardock (somehow), or just be basically a stronger version of Turles. Again I was gladly wrong! Black Goku is a lot more ruthless and evil that I thought he'd be. Very good start to this arc and if Toei can keep this kind of momentum through the whole way, this is going to be awesome!
Jun 12, 2016 2:26 PM

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Goddamit, I just want more!
To me it wasn't an awesome episode, but it was good and it's hoping to get an improvement on the next ones.
Can't wait to next week!
Jun 12, 2016 2:43 PM

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Jski said:
Darius said:



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Its as if super man snapped some one neck and then smiled.
Are they going the "black" nie path that was used in hunter x hunter? Or maybe being so obsessive with power and becoming strong has pushed him over to madness? If you realy sit down and look at Goku he is kind of villain like in his quest for more power all be it though training and not the fast path.


Yeah, now Goku is acting all dumb and friendly while we all saw how serious he can be in his fight with Frieza...
Jun 12, 2016 3:17 PM
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back when the omni-king was introduced i said here "please let him not be another fighter but instead a true god-like entity who can do anything at will."

well there we go! glad he's not some bullshit god like beerus. wonder if he will meet f-trunks and turn his timeline around. actually i wonder if he has jurisdiction even over alternate timelines from the same universe. exciting times.
Jun 12, 2016 3:17 PM

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Damn Black Goku!!!

On a side note...Trunks is always going back in time to stop shit like this, so does that mean if Goku gets beat they hop in the time machine for a rematch? I hope no more time machine plots.
Jun 12, 2016 3:37 PM
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Story: Good. Nice idea so far, although a little redundant.

Atmosphere: Good. Gloomy, dark, pretty well done. Reminds me a little of DBGTs atmosphere.

Animation: Still quite bad. Their heads moving when the cat left the house was simply 1 frame/sec. Trunk's hair was partly looking like straw. It just hurts that even DBGT had more money put into animation.

Execution: Good and bad. I like that he had to find his way to Capsule Corp but the way Bulma and Mai died was just so poorly executed. Bulma gets chocked by a flying potato and Mai shoots two times, gets hit by explosion and dies. No blood, not even scratches. Also lousy attempt to create emotions by having Trunks cry, they should have simply invested more seconds into proper death scenes.

My biggest problem is that DBS is an even greater childrens show than original DB. Even DB had blood (remember Kuririn being killed in the Picollo arc).
Jun 12, 2016 4:46 PM
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Still wondering why Trunks never went Super Saiyan even once.
Jun 12, 2016 5:06 PM

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Finally an episode that felt decent, before this everything kinda sucked ass...
Jun 12, 2016 6:33 PM

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Awesome. It felt most of the time like a complete different anime. Very serious, even if I had some laughs when Piccolo was working with Son-Goku on the fields :D

The dark atmosphere made this so good. So that's black Goku. I can't wait to see how strong he will be. The only question is, will he get into the time of the normal Goku or will Goku and Vegeta go back to the future? I'm so hyped for the next episodes. That will be a loooooong week FeelsBadMan

PS: also interesting to hear how powerful the Omni king is. He destroyed 6 universes, only because he was in a bad mood lol.

Jun 12, 2016 6:49 PM
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awesome episode !
Jun 12, 2016 7:57 PM

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Damn can't wait for the next one
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Jun 12, 2016 8:58 PM

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Ha, love it! I really home this arc keeps the same tension this episode had when it was in the future world. I fear Goku's natural personality tends to kill tension in general, though if Black manages to break his happy-go-lucky demeanor like Frieza did, I will love this to death.

One thing though. How old is Mai in this? In GT she was in her 50s at least, and this is passed that. Did shenanigans happen in Trunks' timeline as well to make her young again or am I missing something?
Jun 12, 2016 9:15 PM

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Draknalor said:
The universe is very different and more expanded now with the multiverse than it was in the Cell saga.. All i'm wondering is, where are the gods like Beerus. Champa & the ones from Boo saga`? Where are the galactic police(Jako and such), Everyone in the entire universe can't have just abandoned earth like this.. Or atleast i hope not.

also hope that Mai will be back.. i mean she's in the opening.. they shoulden't kill her off in the first episode xD

True dat, was also wondering that.
Jun 12, 2016 10:26 PM
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lool isnt Mai older than Bulma? I guess future Trunks likes gilfs.
Jun 12, 2016 11:57 PM
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Toriyama why do you like touring future Trunks.
Jun 13, 2016 12:17 AM
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It does not convence me that Black Goku (they would be any other kind of new villain instead) but the sountrack in this episode was amazing! there were new ones that fit with the story so far!


Convince* you that Black Goku what? What was new that didn't fit the story so far? Do you even speak English?
Jun 13, 2016 12:35 AM
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Like most of you I was super hyped for the episode and by the end I remained just as pumped for the next one!

The tone shifted to a much more intense and dark attitude with the badass introduction of Black.

Now, I can see there are a few leading theories about Black's identity and the continuity of the timeline:

ChloeVonEinzbern said:
Ok, so future Mai is around Trunks's age... How? She (and the rest of the Pilaf Gang) couldn't make the wish to be younger, since all Z fighters except Trunks are long dead in that timeline, and the Dragon Balls don't exist. Second thing. This guy named Black looks like Goku and has one Potara earring, and he doesn't address himself as a saiyan. My guess is that maybe Black is a being taking form of dead fighters, somewhat like Destron Gas that Dr. Raichi created?


Excellent points which lead us to conclude that this future is not the same reality of Mirai Trunks from DBZ. I suggest that this is a new timeline, and therefore a new Future Trunks. There's just one problem with that...

Wrsty said:
So it actually is old future trunks. Everything was pointing at current trunks' future. He says, "There are friends in the past I went to." I wonder how Mai even makes it in here.


As you've pointed out there are clearly some time-travel plot holes, but as long as we get kickass fights and ruthless enemies, does that REALLY matter?

While I'm at it, I support the idea that Black is Future Goten. He appears younger and slimmer than Goku, yet shares his key features. Plus, pitting Trunks against Goten would be the ultimate character conflict for DBS.

I've got about 1,000 more words of time-travel and Black theories here on my blog, so check it out: https://wordpress.com/stats/insights/thefletchzone.wordpress.com
Jun 13, 2016 1:22 AM

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That one earring.. a kai earring? How curious. I hope this black goku has an interesting story.
"When everyone else is about to give up, the fighter who becomes the role model, is the true Leader."

Jun 13, 2016 3:04 AM

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Great episode, super hyped to see where this goes.
Jun 13, 2016 3:15 AM
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When i saw bulma and mai die, i thought " they actually died? this is not a series in which people di-..." then i remembered it is dragon ball, people die like flies. but there were a huge difference in their death and krillin and yamuchas death. can't clearly explain it but those two death felt more sad than all previous death in the series put together.

mai still looks younger now than she did like 30 years ago. and when she said " it's not dog food" did she mean 1: because the can looks like a dogfood can or 2: they normally eat dog food? because to me it kind of sounded like she was excited that it wasn't dog food.

so the new enemy is goku on a diet? i can understand that would be a scary thing and dieting is known to cause moodswings.
Jun 13, 2016 3:19 AM
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That one earring.. a kai earring? How curious. I hope this black goku has an interesting story.


i already figured it out. it is just goku and he is pissed because chichi forced him to diet because the future don't have enough food if he keeps eating, so now he seeks revenge on all living things in the future because they eat his food.

sounds legit to me, well except that both chichi and goku is dead in that time but i like my version of black goku's backstory haha
Jun 13, 2016 5:05 AM
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46 episodes of shit. This was actually not that bad. A plot hole here and there, but average ep. 3/5 felt nothing for the deaths, pointless and rushed.
Jun 13, 2016 5:56 AM

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It was great, bit the animation was horrid, it needed much more dark vibe to the future world.
Jun 13, 2016 8:05 AM

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what a great episode, this will get me always wait for the upcoming eps. cause i think this arc is good!
that black goku curious me, why he got a 1 potara earrings :\
i guess i need to wait more episode to clarify this
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