Hai to Gensou no Grimgar Episode 5 Discussion

ThatDarnIrishMan said:


Noticeable presence = Stood around and did nothing to help the group so far, refuses to speak with people and barely engages them so far except snide remarks.

Guidance = Complained they wanted her to help fight, told other people to make decisions on where to go instead of her and refused to perform magic on one of the few occasions she was needed.

Still not hearing any good arguments from people as to why she's not as awful as most of the characters in this show.

Look, I get it. I like a good kuudere occasionally, but I don't get the "OMFG SHOW IS SAVED" reaction by some people because she appeared and mumbled 2 lines in her 30 seconds of screentime.

darksasuke96 said:


Please notice that my whole reply was based on my predictions as it's still too soon to really know anything about her. I couldn't care less about whether she's kuudere or not, I don't even like kuudere that much, I'm just saying she could finally get the show going in good direction because of her impact on other party members

Nexxkinn said:


dat sideboob...

Honmono said:
So, uhm.

I'm hating Shihoru more and more by the episode. I mean, the looks to be a more useless mage/character than Megumin from Konosuba.. and that's quite a feat.

That said, I'm on the Haru x Mary group. She might've had 30 seconds of screen time, but I thought it was hilarious! Yume's way of talking is so annoying, hence why I just can't ship them.

Paulo27 said:
Maybe not exactly his reasons but rather I'd expect people to start seeing past his asshole side with all the scenes the anime has put in to show that he actually has a brain and feelings in there and things affect him as well as much as anyone else.
His role in the party right now is to basically be the clown who keeps everyone distracted from what's going on and focus on him instead, not a particularly noble thing but that's what it is.
Later his interactions with the group get more dramatic as his behavior somewhat changes from someone who's there as a distraction and more to someone who tries to push the group forward (since Manato isn't there to do that anymore) which makes him a more dislikable character in the context of the group, but that's coupled with something else that happens that makes his character a bit clearer.
He's actually really, really tame compared to the novels, but people apparently still find him annoying as hell so I guess it's still working, I actually don't find him annoying at all here which makes me think a scene later on doesn't feel as justified, but I'm sure the anime will start ramping up his annoying side a bit more now to build up for that.

Honmono said:
So, uhm.

I'm hating Shihoru more and more by the episode. I mean, the looks to be a more useless mage/character than Megumin from Konosuba.. and that's quite a feat.

That said, I'm on the Haru x Mary group. She might've had 30 seconds of screen time, but I thought it was hilarious!

ThatDarnIrishMan said:

She could also summon Kirito from SAO to fight with them.

"Coulds" are for communists and hippies. Which one are you, boy?

darksasuke96 said:


I was only trying to politely help you understand why someone might like Mary but I think you are far too stupid to have a decent conversation with. If you gonna act like a dick don't expect me to try to help you ever again.

_Hans_ said:


She's annoying for pointing out how stupid they are?

Tekken02 said:


You really should read the volume instead of spoilers because Ranta is the most annoying of the bunch. His continuous bs and provocations for the sake of attention, continuous sexual harassment towards the girls, continuous insults because the others don't agree with his thoughtless remarks and ideas got quite annoying and unbearable. He was only able to do that because Haruhiro was taking the responsibilities as a leader. Any team with Ranta as a leader would get killed in their first battle

Also read volume 1 as well when Ranta selfishly became a Dread Knight even though the team decided on everyone's roles and things became troublesome till them met Mogzo. The anime is whitewashing Ranta more tbh.

Tokoya said:
"Crying does not make you weak, Enduring does not make you strong" - This is some powerful shit right here

As expected, the fallout from Manato's death was quite depressing and like many of us were trying to explain last week, this death is huge because of how important he was to them as individuals as well as a party member/leader....It's going to be interesting to see how they adapt to him being gone but we're starting to see some change in everyone so this will be fun

And this is the famous Mary that I kept on hearing about.....I must say that she's not bad at all, heck I loved how real she was with them and straight up acted like an actual priest....It's amazing how she pretty much exposed how bad they were and how their methods were flawed....The conversation with the drunk guy made that even clearer

Lastly that ending between Haruhiro and Yume was beautiful and seeing how that entire scene played out was something else....That misunderstanding at the end was expected but from what I hear, this is going to have some repercussions but I'll hold off on forming an opinion on how I want this to go until later episode's

Great episode this week and I really liked seeing that one dude with the white hair again....Looks like he turned into a badass big shot

Tokoya said:
"Crying does not make you weak, Enduring does not make you strong" - This is some powerful shit right here

As expected, the fallout from Manato's death was quite depressing and like many of us were trying to explain last week, this death is huge because of how important he was to them as individuals as well as a party member/leader....It's going to be interesting to see how they adapt to him being gone but we're starting to see some change in everyone so this will be fun

And this is the famous Mary that I kept on hearing about.....I must say that she's not bad at all, heck I loved how real she was with them and straight up acted like an actual priest....It's amazing how she pretty much exposed how bad they were and how their methods were flawed....The conversation with the drunk guy made that even clearer

Lastly that ending between Haruhiro and Yume was beautiful and seeing how that entire scene played out was something else....That misunderstanding at the end was expected but from what I hear, this is going to have some repercussions but I'll hold off on forming an opinion on how I want this to go until later episode's

Great episode this week and I really liked seeing that one dude with the white hair again....Looks like he turned into a badass big shot

RayAdha said:
About that Gold Coin from Renji, I wouldn't give it back to him if I were Haruhiko.....no time for some useless pride in situation like that, and just consider it a gift from friend.

QWERTYFish25 said:


I think they would've become rather lazy and distracted with what it would've gotten for them. I'm assuming there is some compelling reason that forces people to continue on in their respective field. If they would used that coin chances are they would've gotten their badges ahead of time. It may have granted them access to new missions and possibly greater dangers. Even if it gave them a boost they would probably lack the experience they still need to keep what happened in the previous episode again. Even with shiny new gear and better weapons an arrow in the face would probably equal death regardless. People also say to have kept it for an emergency and that's a very valid point. But perhaps they would've lost momentum eventually knowing they have such things to fall back on. Perhaps the traumatic experience coupled which such a small fortune would cause them to totally rethink even continue on as a party. (ie: "well, we have all of this money now...and maybe we don't have to fight anymore if we're careful. I-I don't want what happened to Manato to happen to any of us."

ThatDarnIrishMan said:


"I liked seeing that guy whose name I don't remember again."




Mary spoke 5 lines of dialogue, she did not "expose" anything, all she did was say "Nah, I won't fight on the front line" and fans go "OMFG, SHE IS RIGHT, PRIESTS AREN'T WARRIORS". Firstly, no shit. Secondly, this would be more impactful if Manato had died ON the front lines. They keep going "Oh god... I killed him... because he was on the front line."

Manato died getting shot by a sniper as they retreated, far from combat. Nothing bad happened in front line combat so the whole "Priests shouldn't fight on frontline, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT" thing they kept hammering was kinda dumb.

The whole "Wow, you guys are really shit and noobs" thing doesn't work. They were winning EVERY fight easily from the looks of it. They only lost because the writer decided to kill off a character with a magic bullet and a bunch of enemies that appeared from no where.

pablomc said:


Those three points that you made are quite different in the LN.... The anime choosed to do Manato's death in a different way, so, I understand why it doesn't make sense... but in the LN, he dies because he was holding the globins for his party to run away after some intense fight and when he began to run, one of the globins throwed a knife at his back and he died because he didn't had mana, since he spent all of it curing Haruhiro, Ranta and Moguzo.... The fight in the LN was pretty hard, there was just 2 globins instead of 4 and the team thought they could win, but they were easly overwhelmed... It's also stated in the LN later on, that all they fights were only won by a tiny bit and they couldn't see that....( I think they might say this in the anime in the next ep)..... So, yes, Manato died because he was in the fighting in the front lines and spending his mana in every single scratch...( although in that battle, Haruhiro and Ranta had some pretty serious wounds and I think that Yume and Moguzo also got wounded...).

Zeally said:


also i would be mildly insulted if an acquaintance just gave me money b/c my friend died out of pity. It was also done really condescendingly

Objurgo said:

Fappa said:

We ( and you in this case ) are one to talk with your knowledge through games and shows. They didn't get taught by anyone. They can't differentiate right from wrong. Over the many fights they had they formed a basic combat style that made them improve and win. Of course it wasn't good in the long run but they didn't know that. In the end they paid for it but only realized it now when a new person with a different perspective came into the group.

kofmaster said:


Every person with common sense knows the medic is the most important party member and need to be protected :v, thats the problem, the lack of common sense xD

ThatDarnIrishMan said:


Well, that's really just the anime's problem, not mine. I'm not going to forgive it just if it was done better in the LN.

Apparently SAO is great as a LN. Anime is absolute shit. Not gonna give the anime a 10 just because the LN was good.

Paulo27 said:
If your medic doesn't seem like he feels the need to be protected or fights as well as everyone else then why would you ever think that?

Nexxkinn said:
kind of ...okay episode? I don't know.
This whole episode is mainly just proving how weak their team actually is, and their feeling about Manato's death. Nothing much to talk about this episode.

Other than that,
- Mary is 9/10.
- Until this episode, I still don't know if I treat this show as SoL action or Drama...
- surprise, surprise! no insert song ! (?)

dat sideboob...