You said: Symbolism like Lain is just..eww If you want to fight my argument, explain what's that alien means first. I thought Lain only used it once |
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Deago said: You said: Symbolism like Lain is just..eww If you want to fight my argument, explain what's that alien means first. I thought Lain only used it once So much symbolism in Lain lol, here's all that I remember, prolly theres more. |
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You said: Deago said: I thought Lain only used it once So much symbolism in Lain lol, here's all that I remember, prolly theres more. Gotta be pain in the ass to watch then |
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AltoRoark99 said: yep, but I think using symbolism to portray deep ideas can add more depth to them when done properly. Since you kind of have to look under the surface to find them.Deago said: So you're saying (symbolism) + (deep ideas) = thought provoking (--------) + (deep ideas) = thought provoking symbolism + (----------) = Bullshit hence; symbolism=bullshit Yeah basically. |
You said: Deago said: I thought Lain only used it once So much symbolism in Lain lol, here's all that I remember, prolly theres more. watch utena it seems i am watching every episode just to uncover the symbolism |
JewellTH said: You said: Symbolism like Lain is just..eww If you want to fight my argument, explain what's that alien means first. I think Serial Experiments Lain is good because of Lain herself tbh. In episode 9, Lain suddenly appears with alien head, then suddenly disappeared, that's the hardest symbolism to comprehend. Others are not that hard but yeah, Lain character development is good. |
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| This is becoming a circlejerk befitting of reddit. Go tell Edgar Allen Poe his poems didn't mean anything past their surface. |
I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
Holybaptiser said: This is becoming a circlejerk befitting of reddit. Eww, don't speak of that community D: |
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You said: Fuck are you even talking about? It has to do with the talk of aliens involvement in the Rosewell incident along with the time spent on conspiracy and rumors, how stuff like that becomes reality to people, how it's being exploited, the previous talk of girl in a sweater episodes ago appearing, and how the real world and the Wired are becoming more blurred. It's not really incomprehensible.Symbolism like Lain is just..eww If you want to fight my argument, explain what's that alien means first. I bet you doofuses would find fault in this: |
Holybaptiser said: This is becoming a circlejerk befitting of reddit. Go tell Edgar Allen Poe his poems didn't mean anything past their surface. No. This becomes 4chan |
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TonyTheme said: You said: Fuck are you even talking about? It has to do with the talk of aliens involvement in the Rosewell incident along with the time spent on conspiracy and rumors, how stuff like that becomes reality to people, how it's being exploited, the previous talk of girl in a sweater episodes ago appearing, and how the real world and the Wired are becoming more blurred. It's not really incomprehensible.Symbolism like Lain is just..eww If you want to fight my argument, explain what's that alien means first. I bet you doofuses would find fault in this: And how can she disperse like a gas after smiling? Shes those lain schoolmates who suicides, her memory still being kept in the wired. Ty |
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| Is it good idea to read the Holy Bible before getting into NGE series? |
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| No, not if the symbolism doesn't tie into the narrative or express any coherent argument or idea. There seemed to be a ton of symbolism in Ergo Proxy that just didn't go anywhere, I could be wrong though. But I do like it when metaphors or other devices are used to explore ideas that go beyond the story as long as it doesn't sacrifice something else to do so, it's one of my favorite things about anime. |
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Deago said: Is it good idea to read the Holy Bible before getting into NGE series? idk, never read it but I picked up on the very obvious Adam-Eve, crosses, great flood, etc etc stuff in NGE. |
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merryfistmas said: No, not if the symbolism doesn't tie into the narrative or express any coherent argument or idea. There seemed to be a ton of symbolism in Ergo Proxy that just didn't go anywhere, I could be wrong though. But I do like it when metaphors or other devices are used to explore ideas that go beyond the story as long as it doesn't sacrifice something else to do so, it's one of my favorite things about anime. I Just finished Ergo Proxy recently; I don't remember seeing people throwing baits at buildings. the plot was clear, everything necessary was revealed at the end. |
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hoopla123 said: This is my answer to NGE fanboys Oh yea~ End Of Evangelion: |
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| :nope: ----------------- Lancehot said: Masturbating with a crucifix is not thought provoking, but it probably goes deep. Uh, I'm not that sure about forum rules regarding links to, errm, controversial stuff, but you can actually buy a crucifix dildo here or there ... -------------------------- darn, reminds me I wanted to ask Kuma and someone else if I could use their posts in my signature - regarding what is weird and what is normal... -------------------- edit : oops, second page ... |
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| I think of symbolism and metaphor as being more of an artistic flair to a series then anything important by itself. Texhnolyze and Utena both have their fair share of symbolism and what-not, but the meanings behind the symbolism aren't the meat of the series, nor are they particularly profound in comparison to the central themes laid out by the series just through it's plot and characters. |
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Baturi said: hoopla123 said: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)You can have as much symbolism as you want, but in the end it will never be as balls deep as Oni chichi |
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| Symbolism serves as an enhancement to the overall presentation of the story. It doesn't necessarily imply that it's deep, just a way to stimulate the audience. |
| I think symbolism sometimes may not be that deep, because some authors simply place symbolism there for the sake of seeming philosophical. |
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gabrielrroiz said: You said: So much symbolism in Lain lol, here's all that I remember, prolly theres more. watch utena it seems i am watching every episode just to uncover the symbolism I hope you're enjoying it ;). I thought nobody would mention a relevant anime lol. NGE sure pops up quite fast in those discussions despite the fact that it isn't particularly heavy on symbolism. Some people are just butthurt because crosses. |
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hoopla123 said: This is my answer to NGE fanboys PERFECTION <3 |
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| NGE was deep in the emotional sense. It's literally one of the most accurate portrayals of depression ever. And if people weren't so butthurt over the obviously bullshit religious "symbolism" they'd notice how the characters are some of the most realistically flawed in all of anime. That itself makes it a classic. Plus EOE has some of the most fucked up imagery ever to grace fiction. Twisted shit worthy of praise regardless of your thoughts on the film's "depth" or not. End fanboy rant? Anyway, was reading through the comments and noticed the Eva talk so I thought I'd give my two cents. Generally speaking symbolism itself isn't deep (as others have been saying) and it can often times just come off as pretentious or unnecessary, but if done well and in a way relevant to the themes of the story or even to enhance a certain tone it's always welcome. |
| synmbolism is automaticaly deep since something that not showed explicit. but deep not always showed with symbolysm. agian, both of them are just tools. good or bad will depend on execution. |
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| there is nothing wrong at all with being symbolic, it's gotten a negative rep recently because of Jayden Smith-esque thought and people finding things where they don't exist. The concept of symbolism alone doesn't make things bad/good. |
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JewellTH said: TOKYO GHOUL IS ILLUMINATIBut of course, just look at the masterpiece Tokyo Ghoul manga. |
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| Symbolism is a great technique, but it's still a technique. If you don't use it well it adds nothing. |
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| "Deepness" is only given by content. Content conveyed through symbolism is merely conveyed in more subtle way than it would if it was done straight forward instead, so all symbolism does is "hiding" content and forcing people to have knowledge about the symbols' meanings as well as using their head a bit to notice it. It really has no direct relation to a show being "deep" or anything like that. They are completely seperate, though obviously if executed right, both these devices combined can improve a fictional work more than just in a 1+1 way. |
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Comic_Sans said: JewellTH said: TOKYO GHOUL IS ILLUMINATIBut of course, just look at the masterpiece Tokyo Ghoul manga. Indeed. |
BannoBunka_snork said: you don't need to ask mate.darn, reminds me I wanted to ask Kuma and someone else if I could use their posts in my signature - regarding what is weird and what is normal... http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1462154#msg43736043 there you go. |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| If you ever watch a lot of TV standard story telling can get tedious, symbolisms, visual metaphors and allegories is just a different and creative way of telling a story. AnimeEveryday has done a good video on the subject matter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7fBzVkz50 |
Comic_Sans said: JewellTH said: TOKYO GHOUL IS ILLUMINATIBut of course, just look at the masterpiece Tokyo Ghoul manga. Illuminati is the true hero screw Illuminati haters XD |
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hoopla123 said: This is my answer to NGE fanboys There is too much truth to this. |
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OneTrueBaita said: Well, I agree with that. It's a simple story that just makes itself seem so pretentious at times with those exploding crosses and other weird naming schemes/"references". AltoRoark99 said: Oh and guys, just so you know, the cross-shaped explosions in NGE weren't meant to symbolize anything. They were simply there for cool effect. |
| That awkward moment when you see someone labeling "pretentious shows with symbolism in them" as bad and then you look at their own extremely shitty taste and you just be like. Lol k. Symbolism is great. |
| Brace yourself. Soon as LotGH 2017 comes out. The anime community is going to become so cancerous you will need to take cover and hide. |
Noxious_ said: That awkward moment when you see someone labeling "pretentious shows with symbolism in them" as bad and then you look at their own extremely shitty taste and you just be like. Lol k. Symbolism is great. so true when the person that called nge pretentious had naruto and dbz in favorites i could not take it serious |
| No, symbolism is how you fake depth by leaving it up to the interpretation of others to add their own depth and meaning in their interpretation of some meaningless shot of whatever the director threw in there to fill time. Actually having depth is better than alluding to it. |
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Kruszer said: No, symbolism is how you fake depth by leaving it up to the interpretation of others to add their own depth and meaning in their interpretation of some meaningless shot of whatever the director threw in there to fill time. Actually having depth is better than alluding to it. Making generalizations like that is counterproductive. And lol at thinking people just add symbolism because the writers are lazy. It depends on its execution, what themes are being alluded to, etc. Symbolism is not random and usually alludes to something important in the show. |
| What's bullshit is trying to insinuate that using literary devices in storytelling is strictly one-dimensional and that they serve to do one thing only (adding depth). Maybe you would be able to get a little smarter if you stopped taking this black and white perspective on a matter and were to just do a little thinking outside of the box, then you might not find reasons to open up such such cancerous threads. |
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
| Kruszer is right. Here's an example of fake depth: WHAT DOES IT MEAN? |
| The short version of my previous answer: Symbolism=Deep? No. |
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| symbolism sucks if there's any kind of consensus able to be formed about what it means |
| unless what message it wants to convey |
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