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Jul 30, 2009 1:37 AM
#51
ukonkivi said: Whether Beatrice lies or not, we're pretty much beyond most non-paranormal explanations here. Pretty much =/= Entirely. Edit: Also, Beatrice doesn't lie. She just creatively bends the truth. |
PlatinumHawkeJul 30, 2009 1:40 AM
Jul 30, 2009 1:38 AM
#52
So is everyone's "side" on theories and speculation until the answer arcs come out? Like right now nothing we think of is wrong yet? |
Jul 30, 2009 1:40 AM
#53
PlatinumHawke said: ukonkivi said: Whether Beatrice lies or not, we're pretty much beyond most non-paranormal explanations here. Pretty much =/= Entirely. Entirely does not exist in any form or kind. There is no such thing as perfect certainty. I can't entirely say for sure than gravity exists or that the world isn't flat. And whatever the case, one this is for sure. This one episode has incredibly unique qualities. The entire situation was moved into what could be an inner world of Beatrice, or a hallucination of Battler. This is the first time in an episode we've seen again characters who are already proclaimed dead. It's certainly unique and weird. But that's of course undersaid because 90% who come in here come in to brag about how much more awesome the VN is and how much more awesome they are for having seen the VN first. PlatinumHawke said: Edit: Also, Beatrice doesn't lie. She just creatively bends the truth. You're just getting sillier and sillier. |
ukonkiviJul 30, 2009 1:44 AM
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Jul 30, 2009 1:46 AM
#54
ukonkivi said: Entirely does not exist in any form or kind. There is no such thing as perfect certainty. But that's basically the crux of Beatrice's game: To make the perfect impossibility in order to prove magic and witches exist. Anyway, I feel like I'm encroaching on spoilers here, so I'll leave this arguement be for now. ukonkivi said: You're just getting sillier and sillier. Trying to figure out the mysteries kinda does have that effect on you. I'm sure my brain is partly fried because of this all. |
PlatinumHawkeJul 30, 2009 1:49 AM
Jul 30, 2009 1:46 AM
#55
MarthX said: Your way of thinking isn't necessarily wrong. There are two sides to the Umineko fanbase. Anti-mystery. You believe the witch exists. Everything was done by her and magic. You root for Beatrice to make the stubborn Battler submit Anti-fantasy. You don't believe the witch exists. Everything was done by humans and no magic was involved. You root for Battler to deny Beatrice's existence. You've already taken belief in anti-mystery so there's no point trying to convince you otherwise. Most people are anti-fantasy though so you are in the minority. Why is it that most Anti-fantasy fans think this can end... "good".. if Beatrice doesn't exist in some manner than Battlers dead in VN 1 lol... Anti-Fantasy fans are like Ange in VN 4.. they just don't look at the big picture. |
Jul 30, 2009 1:50 AM
#56
Good episode. I wasn't expecting this to relate to Higurashi to be honest. I just have a few questions...will Umineko follow the similar path of Question Arcs and Answer Arcs? And if so will we get all the answers to this series in 1 season or will it go for two seasons to answer the questions like it did in Higurashi? I know its impossible to judge whether a 2nd season is coming or not but just a judgement based on current pacing will the first season get through it all? |
Jul 30, 2009 1:57 AM
#57
Taihaku said: Good episode. I wasn't expecting this to relate to Higurashi to be honest. I just have a few questions...will Umineko follow the similar path of Question Arcs and Answer Arcs? And if so will we get all the answers to this series in 1 season or will it go for two seasons to answer the questions like it did in Higurashi? I know its impossible to judge whether a 2nd season is coming or not but just a judgement based on current pacing will the first season get through it all? Yeah, Umineko also has question and answer arcs. There are four chapters to the question arcs in all. Considering that none of answer arcs are even released as VNs yet, I can guarantee that we're going to need a second series. However, considering the current pacing, it looks like all of the question arcs will be animated in this run. |
Jul 30, 2009 1:59 AM
#58
PlatinumHawke said: Trying to figure out the mysteries kinda does have that effect on you. I'm sure my brain is partly fried because of this all. Completely unrelated to my statement. I think people here don't understand varying degrees of what can be considered paranormal, magic If Beatrice proves magic exists, then that just proves my point that the anti-fantasy stance is illogical. Pretty much most of what goes on now is outside of the realm of current human technology. There's either magic and witches here or there's not. There is no in between. It's illogical to think otherwise. Paranormal exists in this world or it doesn't. And there's some very strict and highly unlikely situations for non-paranormal to still be possible. One it would be illogical to bet on. Other than paranormal, we're pretty much reduced to mass hallucinations or brain in a vat scenario. You're might as well argue that Battler is in reality Neo and that Umineko is a cheap copyright infringement of the Matrix. There's all sort of weird possibilities in this world. But to take an anti-fantasy stance is to be going with a high improbability. Whatever the crux of her game, your post appears to have little to do with what I said. PlatinumHawke said: Trying to figure out the mysteries kinda does have that effect on you. I'm sure my brain is partly fried because of this all. You're just being illogical and silly and trying to dress it up as "deep". |
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Jul 30, 2009 2:11 AM
#59
ukonkivi said: You're just being illogical and silly and trying to dress it up as "deep". No, I'm just dodging a lot of spoilers. |
Jul 30, 2009 2:13 AM
#60
ukonkivi said: PlatinumHawke said: Trying to figure out the mysteries kinda does have that effect on you. I'm sure my brain is partly fried because of this all. Completely unrelated to my statement. I think people here don't understand varying degrees of what can be considered paranormal, magic If Beatrice proves magic exists, then that just proves my point that the anti-fantasy stance is illogical. Pretty much most of what goes on now is outside of the realm of current human technology. There's either magic and witches here or there's not. There is no in between. It's illogical to think otherwise. Paranormal exists in this world or it doesn't. And there's some very strict and highly unlikely situations for non-paranormal to still be possible. One it would be illogical to bet on. Other than paranormal, we're pretty much reduced to mass hallucinations or brain in a vat scenario. You're might as well argue that Battler is in reality Neo and that Umineko is a cheap copyright infringement of the Matrix. There's all sort of weird possibilities in this world. But to take an anti-fantasy stance is to be going with a high improbability. Whatever the crux of her game, your post appears to have little to do with what I said. In regards to your statement: The main point of the anti-fantasy side is that the murders themselves could have been all done by humans without the aid of the supernatural. The conversation between Battler and Beatrice that is happening at the moment isn't considered in this equation, since her existence there is separate from the "game-board", a term that'd be explained in greater detail later on in the series. What you're trying to argue against at the moment is idea that magic doesn't exist, period. This argument states that everything, including Battler's existence in that place and the witches' own existence, that is not natural cannot exist. That's a more hardcore aspect to the anti-fantasy side, which most people tend to stay away from since it's much harder to believe. However, it's not an argument without merit. You won't really get the point of Anti-Mystery vs Anti-Fantasy until the second game gets into gear, so just go with the flow for now. Just understand that Umineko won't let you take anything for granted. |
Jul 30, 2009 2:21 AM
#61
Great pacing this time around~ I was really glad to see Bernkastel. AND she's Yukari Tamura again! Sayaka Ohara was great as Beatrice. |
Jul 30, 2009 2:25 AM
#62
Ok people, stop deciding what is real and what is not. At the moment the prologue ended and you're going to drop into the real story so please, don't start speculating just yet. In regard to denying the existence of Beatrice and explaining what humans could/NOT have achieved in the twilight murders, it will all be revealed. To some degree. As said in other comments, you either accept Beatrice or deny her. Either way you're going to have to find out either the impossible murder or sit on the other side of the chessboard and disprove anything that is illogical with twisted, yet, human logic. Yes, the answer arcs are not out yet but you can still understand what the VN readers are referring to once the 2nd Episode ends. Maybe even throughout it. |
Jul 30, 2009 2:51 AM
#63
Jul 30, 2009 3:02 AM
#64
wow, judging by what has been stated in the previous posts, i think i am an anti-fantasy fan.. i still think that the murders have to be executed by some human and beatrice and bern are there as tools so that we can rewind the events and we can solve the mystery.. much like hanyuu's existence in higurashi, i only found her as an explanation for the loops and not their deaths.. |
Jul 30, 2009 3:21 AM
#65
Long live the witch Bern-sama!!! noteDhero said: I don't really see how people can believe that she doesn't exist, especially given the conversation with Bernkastel, and the supernatural elements of the Naku Koro Ni series, but oh wells. Have you watched or read Higurashi? If not, this will be a grave spoiler. At first everything was explained as "curse of Oyashiro-sama", and that very Oyashiro-sama exists. However, she was not the culprit of murders. And think of Rika-chama who has both human and metaphysical personality. Although a supernatural witch who can rewind time and reset the settings on the chessboard exists, it doesn't explain why such disaster was apparently inevitably brought up. I think even if the witch Beatrice shows up as an character, simply accepting her as the culprit would be too naive, as Battler says. As an anti-fantasy factionist, I think she is a personification of human's malign mind. |
Jul 30, 2009 3:38 AM
#66
And I've missed mentioning the most important things. All those who got excited by the boobs know nothing of woman. WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AT THE SEXY THIGHS? ...I've been a bit crazy now, forgive me. |
Jul 30, 2009 4:02 AM
#67
The full end roll for anyone that cares about knowing more details. This plays after the clock strikes midnight and you hear someone laughing. The storm passed, ......and the leaden clouds that had enshrouded the island for so long cleared away. From the rifts between the clouds, sun beams shone, .....and yesterday's storm seemed like a lie. In the harbour, just as someone had wished, the seagulls returned once again and let their lively cries be heard. Afterwards, policemen came, and performed an inspection of the crime scene. The corpses of the children, who were thought to have survived until the end, were not found after all, but from the pieces of the corpses that were found in that unimaginable gruesome crime scene, the police had no choice but to conclude hopelessly that the lives of all eighteen people, including the children, were lost... How gruesome was the banquet of the witch? Only they could tell the tale of how beautiful a place the Golden Land was... Those who came after the banquet had ended couldn't tell of any tale. They could only imagine what had happened during those two days. However, ...the witch was fickle. She dared to leave this tale that had no need of telling behind, and allow it to be told. Then, many years later. A strange wine bottle that had drifted on the waves to the pier of a neighbouring island was pulled out by a fisherman. Inside it was a thin, tightly rolled notebook fragment, written upon in crammed small letters. That was,............this tale. People will know for the first time, through this notebook fragment, the enigma of the mystery-enshrouded October the 4th 1986, and the truth of those two days filled with strangeness. This incident was later called "The Rokkenjima Mass Murder Incident", "The Rokkenjima Eighteen Murders" or such, but connoisseurs of the world came to refer to it as "The Witch's Legend Serial Murders Incident". People who delved in the occult claimed that it was the aftermath of a corrupt ritual that had sealed the island, and as the story spread, the two days filled with mystery were embellished and twisted beyond recognition with each retelling. However, even with all their interpretations, they will not be the ones to reach the truth of this incident. And even though the notebook fragment in the wine bottle tells of this incident filled with mystery, it doesn't tell the whole truth. That's right, ...perhaps not even the writer of the notebook knew the truth. ......It's possible that she wanted to know the truth. According to the name written down,...her name is Ushiromiya Maria. Furthermore, as the result of an all-out police investigation, concerning Maria, a body part, ...a piece of her jaw was found. It was a precious instance where they managed to identify the owner of a body part through dentist medical records. ...Since in that gruesome situation there were countless body parts whose ownership or even provenance couldn't be determined, it can probably be said that this jaw was an extremely fortunate find. The police judge it hopeless to believe that any are still alive since this piece of jaw was was damaged, even though they were unable to discover or identify any other parts. And so, let us tie this tale to the last sentence of the notebook fragment that Ushiromiya Maria left. Quote: By the time you have read this, I will probably be dead. Although there may or may not be a body. You who have read this. Please find out the truth. That's my only wish. Ushiromiya Maria The truth of "The Witch's Legend Serial Murders Incident" has not been brought to light even today. 1st Game "Legend of the golden witch" Result Ushiromiya Krauss Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Ushiromiya Rudolf Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Ushiromiya Kyrie Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Ushiromiya Rosa Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Servant Shannon Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Servant Gohda Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Ushiromiya Eva Died at the second twilight. Pierced through the forehead by the 'Stake of Asmodeus'. Ushiromiya Hideyoshi Died at the second twilight. Pierced through the forehead by the 'Stake of Beelzebub'. Ushiromiya Kinzo Died at the fourth twilight. Forehead gouged by the 'Stake of Mammon'. Servant Kanon Died at the fifth twilight. Chest gouged by the 'Stake of Satan'. Servant Genji Died at the sixth twilight. Stomach gouged by the 'Stake of Lucifer'. Attending Physician Nanjo Died at the seventh twilight. Knee gouged by the 'Stake of Belphegor'. Servant Kumasawa Died at the eighth twilight. Leg gouged by the 'Stake of Leviathan'. The Witch Beatrice Revived at the ninth twilight. She finally opens the door of the Golden Land. Ushiromiya Natsuhi Died at the ninth twilight. The witch praised her nobility, and granted her the honor of a duel. Ushiromiya George Missing on the tenth twilight. The witch, whose existence he recognized and whom he prostrated himself before, beckoned him to the Golden Land. Ushiromiya Jessica Missing on the tenth twilight. The witch, whose existence she recognized and whom she prostrated herself before, beckoned her to the Golden Land. Ushiromiya Maria Missing on the tenth twilight. The witch, whose existence she recognized and whom she prostrated herself before, beckoned her to the Golden Land. Ushiromiya Battler Missing on the tenth twilight. Would the witch beckon he who did not recognize her existence and denied her to the Golden Land? The witch will praise the wise, and should bestow four treasures in the Golden Land. There, they should resurrect the souls of the dead, resurrect the love that was lost. For, if what they desired were even a mountain of gold, it was not something for them to obtain. For George it was the fiancee he lost. For Jessica it was the person in her thoughts she lost. For Maria it was the love of her mother she lost. Sleep peacefully, Beatrice. A sleep from which no one shall disturb you again. The winner is the Golden Witch, Beatrice. All the eighteen people's time ran out before the riddle of the gold was solved. All eighteen people are dead. When the Seagulls cry, there are no survivors. |
Jul 30, 2009 4:05 AM
#68
So it takes 5 episodes to complete Legend Of Golden Witch. Although Turn of Goledn witch aren't really my favorite, I'm still looking forward to the episode. That probably will take another 5 or 6 episodes. Overall I'm really satisfied this episode, much better than episode 4. A bit of scenes on the final twilights, then straight to the Tea PArty, which is aruably the best part of this episode. I like the way they describe the atmosphere when Battler oppose everyone's opinion about the witch's doing, when everyone show a thriller expression. Then to the extra ????. Also finely done from my view. Bern <3 Maybe it's just me, but I find Beato isn't as charming as her in vn/others arts I found. ps: It does not matter whether it is done by Magic or human tricks. The"human" Battler unfortunately has never seen any of the magic in the entire game (except a bit in later episodes) so it's only natural for him not to believe magic. Others might have seen the magic, but it's all down to one's perception toward something unproven. |
The destinies mend rift in time as men etches fate anew |
Jul 30, 2009 4:39 AM
#69
MarthX said: The full end roll for anyone that cares about knowing more details. This plays after the clock strikes midnight and you hear someone laughing. The storm passed, ......and the leaden clouds that had enshrouded the island for so long cleared away. From the rifts between the clouds, sun beams shone, .....and yesterday's storm seemed like a lie. In the harbour, just as someone had wished, the seagulls returned once again and let their lively cries be heard. Afterwards, policemen came, and performed an inspection of the crime scene. The corpses of the children, who were thought to have survived until the end, were not found after all, but from the pieces of the corpses that were found in that unimaginable gruesome crime scene, the police had no choice but to conclude hopelessly that the lives of all eighteen people, including the children, were lost... How gruesome was the banquet of the witch? Only they could tell the tale of how beautiful a place the Golden Land was... Those who came after the banquet had ended couldn't tell of any tale. They could only imagine what had happened during those two days. However, ...the witch was fickle. She dared to leave this tale that had no need of telling behind, and allow it to be told. Then, many years later. A strange wine bottle that had drifted on the waves to the pier of a neighbouring island was pulled out by a fisherman. Inside it was a thin, tightly rolled notebook fragment, written upon in crammed small letters. That was,............this tale. People will know for the first time, through this notebook fragment, the enigma of the mystery-enshrouded October the 4th 1986, and the truth of those two days filled with strangeness. This incident was later called "The Rokkenjima Mass Murder Incident", "The Rokkenjima Eighteen Murders" or such, but connoisseurs of the world came to refer to it as "The Witch's Legend Serial Murders Incident". People who delved in the occult claimed that it was the aftermath of a corrupt ritual that had sealed the island, and as the story spread, the two days filled with mystery were embellished and twisted beyond recognition with each retelling. However, even with all their interpretations, they will not be the ones to reach the truth of this incident. And even though the notebook fragment in the wine bottle tells of this incident filled with mystery, it doesn't tell the whole truth. That's right, ...perhaps not even the writer of the notebook knew the truth. ......It's possible that she wanted to know the truth. According to the name written down,...her name is Ushiromiya Maria. Furthermore, as the result of an all-out police investigation, concerning Maria, a body part, ...a piece of her jaw was found. It was a precious instance where they managed to identify the owner of a body part through dentist medical records. ...Since in that gruesome situation there were countless body parts whose ownership or even provenance couldn't be determined, it can probably be said that this jaw was an extremely fortunate find. The police judge it hopeless to believe that any are still alive since this piece of jaw was was damaged, even though they were unable to discover or identify any other parts. And so, let us tie this tale to the last sentence of the notebook fragment that Ushiromiya Maria left. Quote: By the time you have read this, I will probably be dead. Although there may or may not be a body. You who have read this. Please find out the truth. That's my only wish. Ushiromiya Maria The truth of "The Witch's Legend Serial Murders Incident" has not been brought to light even today. 1st Game "Legend of the golden witch" Result Ushiromiya Krauss Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Ushiromiya Rudolf Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Ushiromiya Kyrie Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Ushiromiya Rosa Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Servant Shannon Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Servant Gohda Died at the first twilight. Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice. Ushiromiya Eva Died at the second twilight. Pierced through the forehead by the 'Stake of Asmodeus'. Ushiromiya Hideyoshi Died at the second twilight. Pierced through the forehead by the 'Stake of Beelzebub'. Ushiromiya Kinzo Died at the fourth twilight. Forehead gouged by the 'Stake of Mammon'. Servant Kanon Died at the fifth twilight. Chest gouged by the 'Stake of Satan'. Servant Genji Died at the sixth twilight. Stomach gouged by the 'Stake of Lucifer'. Attending Physician Nanjo Died at the seventh twilight. Knee gouged by the 'Stake of Belphegor'. Servant Kumasawa Died at the eighth twilight. Leg gouged by the 'Stake of Leviathan'. The Witch Beatrice Revived at the ninth twilight. She finally opens the door of the Golden Land. Ushiromiya Natsuhi Died at the ninth twilight. The witch praised her nobility, and granted her the honor of a duel. Ushiromiya George Missing on the tenth twilight. The witch, whose existence he recognized and whom he prostrated himself before, beckoned him to the Golden Land. Ushiromiya Jessica Missing on the tenth twilight. The witch, whose existence she recognized and whom she prostrated herself before, beckoned her to the Golden Land. Ushiromiya Maria Missing on the tenth twilight. The witch, whose existence she recognized and whom she prostrated herself before, beckoned her to the Golden Land. Ushiromiya Battler Missing on the tenth twilight. Would the witch beckon he who did not recognize her existence and denied her to the Golden Land? The witch will praise the wise, and should bestow four treasures in the Golden Land. There, they should resurrect the souls of the dead, resurrect the love that was lost. For, if what they desired were even a mountain of gold, it was not something for them to obtain. For George it was the fiancee he lost. For Jessica it was the person in her thoughts she lost. For Maria it was the love of her mother she lost. Sleep peacefully, Beatrice. A sleep from which no one shall disturb you again. The winner is the Golden Witch, Beatrice. All the eighteen people's time ran out before the riddle of the gold was solved. All eighteen people are dead. When the Seagulls cry, there are no survivors. Well said. This is not a spoiler, but a piece of information everyone should read, unless it will be revealed in episode 6 however I doubt it. Coming up next; Episode 2 :) |
Jul 30, 2009 4:48 AM
#70
Am I the only one who thinks this show is lame? The whole using a little child to convey the story in the horror/mystery genre is very overused and tiresome. Thought this anime would show me more, but I am not impressed. Maria isn't that interesting and the exaggeration with the facial distortion is weak. |
Jul 30, 2009 5:34 AM
#71
Haha, reading this VN-read vs. anime-watcher arguing is so much fun :D Dsrtstorm said: Am I the only one who thinks this show is lame? The whole using a little child to convey the story in the horror/mystery genre is very overused and tiresome. Thought this anime would show me more, but I am not impressed. Maria isn't that interesting and the exaggeration with the facial distortion is weak. Well yeah, kids sure are basic elements in most horror, mostly cos it's still a shock if they do something gruesome. I wouldn't be sure about Maria not being interesting. I mean, it's only been 5 episodes, there's no way they would reveal everything about the characters just yet. |
Jul 30, 2009 5:35 AM
#72
LOL?? what kind of show is that?? this got to be one of the dumbest i have ever seen until they can prove me wrong in the "still to be shown" episodes.... and the only one person (maria) i want to see dead sooo bad throughout the 5 episodes didnt suffer a totally miserable death?? i want to see her face cut in two as well...(graphically) ps: preview http://umineko.tv/web/main/onair/index.html |
vinesageJul 30, 2009 5:48 AM
Jul 30, 2009 6:46 AM
#73
Bern-tan~ <3 Now time for that weird explanation in episode 2's ???. I'm anti-fantasy. Nothing can be considered real until said events happen directly in front of Game Board Piece Battler. I heavily support the Schrodinger's Box and Braun Tube theories. Maria seemed very cute this episode... Anyways, may the true mind rape begin? |
z2000Jul 30, 2009 7:39 AM
Jul 30, 2009 6:55 AM
#74
I is kinda confused about the sudden change from seeing the flask mail go to shore and then going over to the scene were they talked about bad endings and whatnot. I have not played the VN, so i am just wondering if this is getting explained somehow? |
Jul 30, 2009 7:17 AM
#75
Jul 30, 2009 7:23 AM
#76
That was a lame way for Maria to die... but I guess she can't have a painful death if she believes in Beatrice... |
Jul 30, 2009 7:25 AM
#77
Battler's a bit crazy. But I gotta admit he has guts. |
Jul 30, 2009 7:29 AM
#78
BERN!!! :D next up, the Seven Sisters of Purgatory |
Jul 30, 2009 7:43 AM
#79
Missy said: That was a lame way for Maria to die... but I guess she can't have a painful death if she believes in Beatrice... Well, the second part of the episode doesn't happen in the real world, at that point everyone is already dead. How the last four survivors died is not shown in the game either. The only thing we know is that they were torn apart. The police found many pieces of the bodies and the only identifiable piece is Maria's jaw. So, the Maria-haters can happy now, because she's died in the most horrible way. |
Jul 30, 2009 7:51 AM
#80
Excellent episode :) I was quite surprised when I saw Rika-chama Bernkastel. |
Jul 30, 2009 7:56 AM
#81
I suppose Battler has the power of an "observer" (in a physics sense), which may be the reason Beatrice can't directly show magic in front of him..... I won't be surprised if they threw some physics/philosophical theories to explain some of the events that is happening.... |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
Jul 30, 2009 8:09 AM
#82
mouselmm said: Who's ready for EP2's tea party's mi~Nipa ^_^ great pacing with this episode, Yukarin's appearance is WIN Agreed with the boob fanservice though. Before I thought that Jessica's boob-physics whenever she turned was excessive, but then I saw Shannon in Tea Party...enough is enough. Still, this shot makes me laugh Suggested speech bubble: Bern: And after 23495817239482938 cycles, I'm still flat I saw what you did th4r. xD |
Jul 30, 2009 8:13 AM
#83
TheCorruptedOne said: True. I guess that was made on purpose. Anyway, great ep.Excellent episode :) I was quite surprised when I saw Rika-chama Bernkastel. |
Jul 30, 2009 8:20 AM
#84
wow for a first timer to the no naku koro ni series, this anime is sooooo confusing. im like being wtf the entire time for the 5 eps so far. but from wat ive seen in the forums, it seems the fun continues on. this anime really is epic. i need to seee higurashi after this immediately lol. but yea im with battler.i think all those murders could really be done by human.and in this anime, i believe beatrice is fake and thus, im with battler. however, i dont think battler could solve it all himself. we need to call L, the world's greatest detective who brought down a massive killer who used a magic notebook that kills anyone whose name is written on it LOL ps. just HAD to make that death note reference.im sure light is a better killer than beatrice though. |
Jul 30, 2009 8:30 AM
#85
I'm so confused.. can someone explain this episode to me without spoiling anything? You're all discussing things that make no sense to me o.o |
Jul 30, 2009 8:30 AM
#86
kaena said: wow for a first timer to the no naku koro ni series, this anime is sooooo confusing. im like being wtf the entire time for the 5 eps so far. but from wat ive seen in the forums, it seems the fun continues on. this anime really is epic. i need to seee higurashi after this immediately lol. but yea im with battler.i think all those murders could really be done by human.and in this anime, i believe beatrice is fake and thus, im with battler. however, i dont think battler could solve it all himself. we need to call L, the world's greatest detective who brought down a massive killer who used a magic notebook that kills anyone whose name is written on it LOL ps. just HAD to make that death note reference.im sure light is a better killer than beatrice though. So you haven't watched Higurashi?? Watch it. NOW. |
Jul 30, 2009 8:42 AM
#87
Lolz so that's one ending? and looks like it's a battle between of logic and magic then? and are there more witches rite? |
Jul 30, 2009 8:44 AM
#88
Good episode. Loved Beatrice and she have big boobs. I'm not fan of the two factions you speak about. And i haven't played the game or see Higurashi. :) |
Jul 30, 2009 8:44 AM
#89
vinesage said: LOL?? what kind of show is that?? this got to be one of the dumbest i have ever seen until they can prove me wrong in the "still to be shown" episodes.... and the only one person (maria) i want to see dead sooo bad throughout the 5 episodes didnt suffer a totally miserable death?? i want to see her face cut in two as well...(graphically) ps: preview http://umineko.tv/web/main/onair/index.html What? Having her body torn apart and eaten by demons. Then being revived and slowly turned back into the pitiful pile of flesh that she was when she was dead wasn't a horrible enough demise? Sick bastard. |
Jul 30, 2009 8:45 AM
#90
Beatrice is awesome. Hope the next arc is better. |
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Jul 30, 2009 8:48 AM
#91
kameko14 said: I'm so confused.. can someone explain this episode to me without spoiling anything? You're all discussing things that make no sense to me o.o Everyone died. The scene you saw afterward was a place called Purgatorio where Battler goes against Beatrice Battler tries to prove that everything can be explained with human tricks Beatrice tries to prove that it's impossible for humans, forcing him to accept that it was a witch with magic. Purgatorio is a different world/dimension. The fact that Beatrice exists there does not prove that she exists in the world of Rokkenjima and that she was the culprit behind everything. This is just the premise. The real story of Umineko has begun. There are many twists, turns and surprises in the future. Sit back and enjoy the ride, because you're in for a hell of a ride. |
Jul 30, 2009 8:54 AM
#92
noteDhero said: I see what you're saying, but there is also the fact that there is the mystery of Beatrice's riddle and where the gold is...which is more than enough fodder for a good mystery to me. I think the presence of Bernkastel leaves room for her to meddle a bit, but that's a different discussion. But thanks for pointing out the factions...I don't really see how people can believe that she doesn't exist, especially given the conversation with Bernkastel, and the supernatural elements of the Naku Koro Ni series, but oh wells. Most anti-fantasy, like me, don't actually believe that witches and magic don't exist at all. We believe that the murders throughout the series were not done with magic, and that none of the... You know what I really can't say any more without spoiling shit.... The whole design of the mystery is so some things can never be solved by the viewer until the answers. This allows you to speculate essentially infinitely. These can't be proven wrong, but they also can't be proven right til the answer come out. You're also always plain ass confused as hell. This is nothing, it gets so infinitely more confusing. Anyway, I will say that some of the scenes you have seen already have been proven to have never actually happened.... hehehe. One more thing. Don't believe anything that is not seen by Battler (not even necessarily then) or isn't the red truth. |
DrZedJul 30, 2009 10:28 AM
Jul 30, 2009 8:54 AM
#93
The thing about this Antifantasy/Antimystery is that such stories will ever have speculativ things, even when you get the ansaws. Such stories are also sometimes known as "Weird fiction" And there is a Note about it: _______________________________________________________________ The true weird tale has something more than secret murder, bloody bones, or a sheeted form clanking chains according to rule. A certain atmosphere of breathless and unexplainable dread of outer, unknown forces must be present; and there must be a hint, expressed with a seriousness and portentousness becoming its subject, of that most terrible conception of the human brain--a malign and particular suspension or defeat of those fixed laws of Nature which are our only safeguard against the assaults of chaos and the daemons of unplumbed space. Written by the poet and novelist H.P. Lovecraft _______________________________________________________________ Do you see the semilaretis to Umineko? |
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear ist the fear of the unknown. H.P. Lovecraft |
Jul 30, 2009 9:00 AM
#94
Jul 30, 2009 9:13 AM
#95
wtf this became totally stupid in an instant?! waiting for ep6 before judging, but i don't have high hopes... why does everyone remember their death's and nobody really cares.. how could someone actually not believe in a witch after so many people got killed and revived omg i'm so disappointed because this was the anime i was most excited about this season.... |
Jul 30, 2009 9:17 AM
#96
This series is bit confusing, but quite interesting. Can't wait to see the next arc. |
Jul 30, 2009 9:18 AM
#97
Witches don't exist! I refuse to believe! D': |
Jul 30, 2009 9:20 AM
#98
Zedrane said: vinesage said: LOL?? what kind of show is that?? this got to be one of the dumbest i have ever seen until they can prove me wrong in the "still to be shown" episodes.... and the only one person (maria) i want to see dead sooo bad throughout the 5 episodes didnt suffer a totally miserable death?? i want to see her face cut in two as well...(graphically) ps: preview http://umineko.tv/web/main/onair/index.html What? Having her body torn apart and eaten by demons. Then being revived and slowly turned back into the pitiful pile of flesh that she was when she was dead wasn't a horrible enough demise? Sick bastard. are u saying that, laughing at corpses of your relatives whose faces are completely torn apart, isnt sick? I'd say Maria is the one of the sickest character i have seen and by far sicker than this serial murderer they are after. If i must define the evil in this show then it is definitely called maria.... and evil does, most of the time, deserve their suitable end (and i didnt see her end) |
Jul 30, 2009 9:21 AM
#99
xoxo said: wtf this became totally stupid in an instant?! waiting for ep6 before judging, but i don't have high hopes... why does everyone remember their death's and nobody really cares.. how could someone actually not believe in a witch after so many people got killed and revived omg i'm so disappointed because this was the anime i was most excited about this season.... I'm fine with people accepting the witch and thinking she did it but if you insult the series or belittle it then it makes me want to smack you with spoilers to show how little that you know. Don't act like that you know everything. The real story has just started. |
LunarEmeraldJul 30, 2009 9:25 AM
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